Discussion Estimating Characters PL

Aetherventus258

Registered User
上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member
Joined
Jan 9, 2018
Messages
289
Reaction score
346
Age
27
Country
Fire Nation
Because he absorbed them as I said? If decrees raise PL instantly like that, then what was Galan's PL without one? You still haven't answered. If you think about it, you realize that it doesn't make sense at all.
1k? if we pretend that the decrees raise the PL that is the power of galan, although it could also be that the demon king only chose the ones he believed most apt to carry the decrees and galand was most capable of carrying the truth.
 

Gavin

Registered User
初心者/ Shoshinsha / Beginner
Joined
Jul 12, 2018
Messages
4
Reaction score
1
Age
26
Country
Netherlands
That's not what Dolor said to Diane. Anyway, I am talking about Galan.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---


Because he absorbed them as I said? If decrees raise PL instantly like that, then what was Galan's PL without one? You still haven't answered. If you think about it, you realize that it doesn't make sense at all.
What I'm trying to say is that by Dolor joining the Demon clan and receiving a commandment he was given a powerup. You argue that commandents don't give powerups but so far from what we've seen that's what they've done, plus we haven't seen anyone's powerlevel after they've lost one so its literally just speculation.
 

Demonspeed

The Bull
神のごとし / Kami no Gotoshi / Godlike
Global Moderator
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
47,663
Reaction score
61,354
Gender
Male
Country
France
1k? if we pretend that the decrees raise the PL that is the power of galan, although it could also be that the demon king only chose the ones he believed most apt to carry the decrees and galand was most capable of carrying the truth.
Galan, a good fighter and High-Class Demon, had a PL of 1K, which is comparable to a Red Demon. And way below Fraudrin, the one mocked because he is not at the level of the other Commandments despite his 30K? You see the problem with that theory? And with the 1 Commandment = 28K, that makes Galan's PL= -1000.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---
What I'm trying to say is that by Dolor joining the Demon clan and receiving a commandment he was given a powerup. You argue that commandents don't give powerups but so far from what we've seen that's what they've done, plus we haven't seen anyone's powerlevel after they've lost one so its literally just speculation.
As I said, this is another matter. If you believe they do enhance people like that then you should be able to talk about Galan too. For Dolor, if he powered up, it would not be because of an absorption, more because the PoD in it enhanced his power a bit. There is no way it made him so strong that he got 20K+ Even without Commandments, Dolor and Gloxinia were much stronger than Karmadios, we saw it in the flashback.

We know their PL from the fanbooks. And his PL at different states are known in the manga, he is also a Demon unlike the others so he is perfect for this.
 

Aetherventus258

Registered User
上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member
Joined
Jan 9, 2018
Messages
289
Reaction score
346
Age
27
Country
Fire Nation
Galan, a good fighter and High-Class Demon, had a PL of 1K, which is comparable to a Red Demon. And way below Fraudrin, the one mocked because he is not at the level of the other Commandments despite his 30K? You see the problem with that theory? And with the 1 Commandment = 28K, that makes Galan's PL= -1000.
Well maybe and only maybe the DK reanimated an armor with the darkness and gave him the decree and thus was born galan?, the decrees should raise the PL because that is what they were originally before the demon king added the effects of them.
 

Demonspeed

The Bull
神のごとし / Kami no Gotoshi / Godlike
Global Moderator
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
47,663
Reaction score
61,354
Gender
Male
Country
France
Well maybe and only maybe the DK reanimated an armor with the darkness and gave him the decree and thus was born galan?, the decrees should raise the PL because that is what they were originally before the demon king added the effects of them.
Or maybe you are wrong and they don't raise PLs unless when absorbed? Because it's never actually been said that they do when they are not absorbed.

Commandments are supposed to be elite soldiers. Choosing someone with a low PL doesn't make sense. Even Fraudrin with his 30K was considered unworthy, and he was loyal. But for some reason, the DK animated an armor and guessed that it would turn into a great fighter? Then why not give it to Fraudrin and have a 50K+ fighter? There are other Low Class Demons with PLs much higher than 1000 too, Gray Demons for example.
 
Last edited:

Aetherventus258

Registered User
上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member
Joined
Jan 9, 2018
Messages
289
Reaction score
346
Age
27
Country
Fire Nation
Or maybe you are wrong and they don't raise PLs unless when absorbed? Because it's never actually been said that they do when they are not absorbed.
you're saying that basically the DK created a weapon that fires even when the safety is on.
 

Demonspeed

The Bull
神のごとし / Kami no Gotoshi / Godlike
Global Moderator
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
47,663
Reaction score
61,354
Gender
Male
Country
France
you're saying that basically the DK created a weapon that fires even when the safety is on.
Is that your argument? I don't think I understand that analogy well in the first place. But Commandments don't exist to raise the PLs of the holders, they are kept by elite fighters and have special curses. When absorbed, these curses disappear and are converted into pure power.

The Demon King animating an armor and making it that strong(Galan is not even one of the strongest Commandments) when he had better choices like Fraudrin, the Black Knights and probably more would make of him an idiot.
 

Aetherventus258

Registered User
上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member
Joined
Jan 9, 2018
Messages
289
Reaction score
346
Age
27
Country
Fire Nation
Is that your argument? I don't think I understand that analogy well in the first place. But Commandments don't exist to raise the PLs of the holders, they are kept by elite fighters and have special curses. When absorbed, these curses disappear and are converted into pure power.
for him to activate a commandment you have to absorb it, because if it were not so, I would have activated the commandment of gowther who was in possession of zeldris which until now, has not been activated.
 
Last edited:

Shadowlord123

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
May 20, 2018
Messages
1,745
Reaction score
5,149
Gender
Male
Country
Spain
I remember back when Zeldris gave his decree to Meliodas. He asked him if he would be fine fighting the AA without a decree, implying that they grant to the holder some kind of power boost and not only a curse (this wouldn't make sense because the AA have protection against that).

https://www.mangareader.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/258/2

Any thoughts on that?
 

Demonspeed

The Bull
神のごとし / Kami no Gotoshi / Godlike
Global Moderator
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
47,663
Reaction score
61,354
Gender
Male
Country
France
for me to activate a commandment you have to absorb it, because if it were not so, I would have activated the commandment of gowther who was in possession of zeldris? which until now, has not been activated.
And I explained why it doesn't make sense. Zeldris hadn't absorbed the Commandments, they were stored thanks to a spell. If you think that he had absorbed them, so how high was his PL? Because he had Selflessness, Repose and Patience. His appearance was still normal, you are saying that Zeldris had a PL above 100K? Even when we know his PL is 61K? Or 61K with 2 Commandments? Since he had retrieved Repose and Patience recently. It doesn't make sense.
 

OtakuFreak

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Nov 20, 2017
Messages
4,794
Reaction score
9,606
Age
26
Country
Fun Forum
I remember back when Zeldris gave his decree to Meliodas. He asked him if he would be fine fighting the AA without a decree, implying that they grant to the holder some kind of power boost and not only a curse (this wouldn't make sense because the AA have protection against that).

https://www.mangareader.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/258/2

Any thoughts on that?
Potentially, Zeldris ''last resort'' or a part of his powers could be to absorb the commandment for a power boost if he needs it.

And considering how the Archangels are very powerful opponnents, equal to Zeldris or perhaps even stronger, taking away a option for a power boost in a fight isn't good lol

Or Nakaba made a mistake here, since the Archangels weren't confirmed to have divine protection yet from the commandments, hence this statement.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---
As for the commandments.

It's clear that you don't get an increase of PL from them if you are merely holding them for the curse ability.

Estarossa was holding 3 commandments on him, but he never changed PL UNTIL he actively absorbed them.

If holding a commandment gives a curse ability + PL boost then why absorb them? You'd get the same effect but lose the curse ability.. so it's clear that absorbing them is the only way to get PL from them and lose the curse ability in the process.
 

Demonspeed

The Bull
神のごとし / Kami no Gotoshi / Godlike
Global Moderator
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
47,663
Reaction score
61,354
Gender
Male
Country
France
I remember back when Zeldris gave his decree to Meliodas. He asked him if he would be fine fighting the AA without a decree, implying that they grant to the holder some kind of power boost and not only a curse (this wouldn't make sense because the AA have protection against that).

https://www.mangareader.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/258/2

Any thoughts on that?
Because Zeldris was not going to fight the Archangels only, the Sins and others were coming. Piety is hax, it triggers once you turn your back to him. Stigma picked members carefully because they are assuming that Zeldris still has it.

 

OtakuFreak

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Nov 20, 2017
Messages
4,794
Reaction score
9,606
Age
26
Country
Fun Forum
Piety is hax, it triggers once you turn your back to him.
I'm pretty sure if its when you run away from Zeldris that it activates, not if you turn your back to him.

You could be fighting, and spin, show him your back, then the commandment takes a hold of you?

If you have no intention of running away, then the commandment won't activate even if you turn your back to him.

Meliodas implies it here I believe:


Karmadios had Piety before Zeldris I believe.

The Assault Team picked members carefully because they are assuming that Zeldris still have it.
Merlin has a resistance to the commandments, but if she was struck by Zeldris commandment, she wouldn't be able to activate that resistance?

Ludoshel has immunity.

Escanor wouldn't run away unless it was night time *cough* chandler *cough*
 

MrSchmitty7

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Jul 20, 2016
Messages
3,656
Reaction score
6,861
Age
27
Gender
Male
Country
United States
Decree's only matter if they are absorbed into the body. If they aren't absorbed then they are literally just being held. This is why Zeldris didn't go insane from holding three other decrees without using the absorption process.

Drole got more power because he was effectively given the power of darkness, which naturally would've boosted his overall defense and other abilities. However, Nakaba seemed to forget that he and glox had darkness because they are never seen using it again even though he purposely drew their eyes black
 

OtakuFreak

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Nov 20, 2017
Messages
4,794
Reaction score
9,606
Age
26
Country
Fun Forum
Decree's only matter if they are absorbed into the body. If they aren't absorbed then they are literally just being held. This is why Zeldris didn't go insane from holding three other decrees without using the absorption process.

Drole got more power because he was effectively given the power of darkness, which naturally would've boosted his overall defense and other abilities. However, Nakaba seemed to forget that he and glox had darkness because they are never seen using it again even though he purposely drew their eyes black
And gave Gloxinia darkness on his tentacles + Drole demonic wings.

Would've been nice to see them use the demonic powers a little more.. but then again their Giant and Fairy abilities are amazing tbh.

Basquas and seeing that desperate drop of life spam > demonic healing
 

Commanderaxe

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2017
Messages
1,358
Reaction score
4,270
Age
29
Country
United States
Decree's only matter if they are absorbed into the body. If they aren't absorbed then they are literally just being held. This is why Zeldris didn't go insane from holding three other decrees without using the absorption process.

Drole got more power because he was effectively given the power of darkness, which naturally would've boosted his overall defense and other abilities. However, Nakaba seemed to forget that he and glox had darkness because they are never seen using it again even though he purposely drew their eyes black
I don't think it would've done much tbh since they seemed to only have been able to manipulate darkness physically. They werent able to use its its biological advantages, considering Drole was heavily injured and basically spent the whole fight buying time for Gloxinia to recharge drop of life. Simply using darkness to heal would've mitigated all of that effort. Seems they could only use darkness to create constructs, which probably would've just been useless since their own offensive abilities are much more powerful.
 

MrSchmitty7

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Jul 20, 2016
Messages
3,656
Reaction score
6,861
Age
27
Gender
Male
Country
United States
I don't think it would've done much tbh since they seemed to only have been able to manipulate darkness physically. They werent able to use its its biological advantages, considering Drole was heavily injured and basically spent the whole fight buying time for Gloxinia to recharge drop of life. Simply using darkness to heal would've mitigated all of that effort. Seems they could only use darkness to create constructs, which probably would've just been useless since their own offensive abilities are much more powerful.
Now that you mention it, those two were pretty underwhelming
 

MrSchmitty7

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Jul 20, 2016
Messages
3,656
Reaction score
6,861
Age
27
Gender
Male
Country
United States
It's a shame they were Worfed to make Mel look good.
Especially Drole. If his base is truly 50K then with his dance he could probably go to 80K. He’d be AA tier, but nope. Fodder for 56K Mel
 

HereNThere

Alive Ain't Always Livin'
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Mangahelper
Joined
Jul 8, 2009
Messages
8,382
Reaction score
12,171
Gender
Male
Country
United States
Especially Drole. If his base is truly 50K then with his dance he could probably go to 80K. He’d be AA tier, but nope. Fodder for 56K Mel
His dance was hyped to hell and back and Nakaba didn't even allow him to use it at any time. If the increase is as drastic as it was with Diane, he should've been able to face off against Chandler with no problem.

And then there's Gloxinia who not only had 4 more Basquias Techniques to show, but had Disaster which should've been significantly more effective than what King showed, given that his magic stat is the highest one in the series. Why didn't he use his Form 2 Necrosis and that fabled Disaster ability to increase the toxic effects of the poison?
 
Top