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He’s honorable ?

Zeldris has always stood by his word, ofc he didn’t expect Merlin to attack him which left an opening for Ludociel
But he did, he was poised to slay Merlin then and there if she tried anything, not having the DK's magic active when faced with such a renowned sorcerer would be idiotic.
 

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But he did, he was poised to slay Merlin then and there if she tried anything, not having the DK's magic active when faced with such a renowned sorcerer would be idiotic.
Not really, point still stands he can activate it and deactivate it

Looks like he activated it while caught in the blast
 

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I mean:

-Zeldris himself already stated that it doesn't matter how strong his opponent is, he never underestimates them and always goes all out.

- Zeldris knew that Merlin was the witch who tricked both Gods. Not only that but he had her in extremely high consideration (even Merlin said to him that he was overestimating her).

Based on Zel's character and opinion on Merlin, it makes no sense that he had the DK's magic deactivated. Why would he do that in the first place?

IMO, Nakaba didn't know very well at that time what the DK's magic could be. At first, it was supposed to be a sealing magic judging by how Drole couldn't use his magic after being kicked by Zeldris. Let's look at the feats before it was revealed to be Inversion:

- In chapter 246&247 Mel overpowered the DK's magic with an attack that even Estarossa (60.000) could resist better.

- In chapter 250&251, Ludoshel casually bypasses the magic in a nerfed human vessel.

Now, let's look at the feats after it was revealed to be Inversion:

- Absorbs without any problems Ludo's Gold Shining, technique that we can assume is above the greeting he used against him before.

- Absorbs Merlin's magic without any kind of difficulty.

- Absorbs King's attack (who should be around 200.000-300.000) without any problems.

It's pretty clear which one has the most impressive feats. Possible explanations to this:

A. Zel had the DK's magic deactivated and that's why he got hurt by Ludo's attack. Mel would need to be above King in magic if we assume that what he used was magic (at least that was the implication). This overall makes little to no sense.

B. The DK's magic was supposed to be something different and Nakaba changed his mind. Therefore all the feats done before it don't count for anything.

C. Zeldris and the DK's borrowed magic got exponentially stronger because plot reasons.
 

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Then why did he take damage?
He’s not invulnerable, he got caught in the blast, activated it then nullified the explosion, Ludociel attacks at the speed of light

Notice when the explosion took place Zeldris dispersed it seconds later with minimal damage
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Whys it so hard to believe Zeldris didn’t have it activated ?
 

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He’s not invulnerable, he got caught in the blast, activated it then nullified the explosion, Ludociel attacks at the speed of light

Notice when the explosion took place Zeldris dispersed it seconds later with minimal damage
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Whys it so hard to believe Zeldris didn’t have it activated ?
Because that would make him an idiot, he was facing the most renowned sorcerer of all time, he clearly saw her as a threat and thought she was plotting something, yet he didnt activate the DK's magic? Even Hawk wouldnt be that stupid.
 

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It should be extreme, the characters like Sar and tar and ludo were weak in their human vessel and now the strongest grace sunshine how can it be fully utilized to full power in the weakest human body of escanor with pl 15. Escanor was also coughing blood due to the grace powers meaning the full power of one mode was restricted and only mael can use the full power of one mode.
He coughed up blood, that just means it was damaging him, doesn't mean it wasn't used at full power. IMO it could easily instead just be that his version of Sunshine is lopsided due to his low base power level being not too compatible, while Mael's doesn't cripple him at night, and doesn't spike massively at noon, instead being more reliable by spreading that boost out more in the post noon and pre noon hours.
 

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He coughed up blood, that just means it was damaging him, doesn't mean it wasn't used at full power. IMO it could easily instead just be that his version of Sunshine is lopsided due to his low base power level being not too compatible, while Mael's doesn't cripple him at night, and doesn't spike massively at noon, instead being more reliable by spreading that boost out more in the post noon and pre noon hours.
Spreading of power is your headcanon no true fact nor it was said anywhere in the manga and there is nothing to support it back.
And you're overthinking simple things much it's clear fact that both get massive boost in power and just if near noon for mael is such a massive boost then it's very clear that One mode would be even much more of massive boost.
 

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Spreading of power is your headcanon no true fact nor it was said anywhere in the manga and there is nothing to support it back.
And you're overthinking simple things much it's clear fact that both get massive boost in power and just if near noon for mael is such a massive boost then it's very clear that One mode would be even much more of massive boost.
The One's main iconic trait is being turned far bigger by the muscle-ification effect that happens to Escanor, and Mael doesn't get that. That's enough for me to think he might not have it. He certainly isn't going to be '700-900K' at noon like you guessed earlier.
 

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The One's main iconic trait is being turned far bigger by the muscle-ification effect that happens to Escanor, and Mael doesn't get that. That's enough for me to think he might not have it. He certainly isn't going to be '700-900K' at noon like you guessed earlier.
Hendrickson after having the demon blood turned into a demon type with horns dark matter and all but that is because he is a human same for escanor he gets this buff because the grace is reacting to his body and giving him muscles that's it nothing else
 

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Hendrickson after having the demon blood turned into a demon type with horns dark matter and all but that is because he is a human same for escanor he gets this buff because the grace is reacting to his body and giving him muscles that's it nothing else
I'll wait until Nakaba shows a flashback of "The One" Mael to believe that. Let's just agree to disagree, there isn't any more evidence about Mael that I think can be dug up right now from the manga.
 

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Also mael already i
I'll wait until Nakaba shows a flashback of "The One" Mael to believe that. Let's just agree to disagree, there isn't any more evidence about Mael that I think can be dug up right now from the manga.
I don't think he ever will but I'll hope so
 

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Meh, all I care about is that he's still trashed compared to the Gods (as he should be)
Nope once he uses his OG magic he trashes the gods.
No one else can go even near to his level except maybe One Mode Mael
But yes One Mode SD would even trash Meliodas with his OG magic
 

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Mel god tier - at least 1 million
Mael one mode - at least 1 million
King - 500k
Zeldris - at least 600k
Ban - more than 500k but not more than 1 million
SD - At least combination of Mel god tier plus Mael one mode
DK with 10 commandments - 2x as strong as SD

PS: Its not really the exact number but thats how they par with each other
 

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Mel god tier - at least 1 million
Mael one mode - at least 1 million
King - 500k
Zeldris - at least 600k
Ban - more than 500k but not more than 1 million
SD - At least combination of Mel god tier plus Mael one mode
DK with 10 commandments - 2x as strong as SD

PS: Its not really the exact number but thats how they par with each other
Mael one mode is weaker than current meliodas
Zeldris is weaker than king
 

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This is my current stance on PL:

- The Sinner: 250.000+ (higher with Crisis)
- Ludoshel (OG Body): 260.000-275.000.
- King (Elvis Style): 300.000.
- Escanor (The One): 340.000
- Mael (Near Noon): 300.000-330.000
- Mael (The One): 400.000-450.000
- Ban: 400.000 without Snatch, possibly up to 500.000+ with it.
- DK/ SD (50%): 500.000-700.000
- DK/SD (Full Power): 1.000.000+
- Mel (OG Magic): At least 800.000, potentially up to 1.000.000+
 
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