Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

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Because Mirajane didn't have a chance to defeat a Spriggan doesn't directly say she is weaker than them. She could pretty much slay every Spriggan that isn't in possession of hax magic with Seilah Soul.

Why is Laxus faster? Mirajane blitzed both Juliet and Hynhe who have a pretty high speed rate. As for Laxus, Hades could keep track of his Lightning Body.

I wouldn't directly say Laxus has a higher attack rate than Mirajane. Just see:


Now I think we could all agree this is Laxus most impressive attack.


But this one of Mirajane's Satan Soul clearly surpasses it..

Mirajane's magic power didn't just move back the water, it evaporated the sea which was stated and shown. Something Laxus' nor Natsu's magic power never was capable of.

I didn't include Makarov.

Freed is surely above Gray, Gajeel and Erza. His Dark Écriture is hax af and could easily kill someone. Erza would never fodderize Freed, lol. He'll low/mid diff her once he uses Dark Écriture: Darkness. Maybe he doesn't even need that, he could just break through every armor of her like Kagura's sealed Archenemy could.

That's a really downplaying of DF Wendy right there. Controlling the area is far more impressive than anything than DF Natsu has shown.
Idk about you, but to me Laxus's nuke looks bigger in those pictures.

Natsu hasn't shown anything like Mirajane evaporating the seawater? He evaporated a lake and melted the entire GMG stadium just with his body heat and you still think Mira is the only one with that kind of feat?

Freed is above Gray, Gajeel, and Erza? You can't be serious. Freed hasn't shown a single feat in his entire series that shows he would be able to beat those three. He needed help to beat some lackeys back on Tenrou Island and he was low-diffed by Mirajane back during FF. Freed is strong for sure but claiming he's above even Erza is completely ridiculous.
 
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Mirajane's magic power didn't just move back the water, it evaporated the sea which was stated and shown. Something Laxus' nor Natsu's magic power never was capable of.
Natsu evaporated a good portion of a lake, Mira evaporated some of the sea. Natsu's was more obvious in terms of how much his heat was effecting the environment, and it burned Jacob. It's heat based for Natsu though, so it's still a good MP feat for Mira. Note that these portrayals don't mean much compared to the actual fighting feat. Mira was able to drop 2 people who she was struggling with before... that's the best thing she did.

Laxus hasn't got an MP feat like that to his name so Mira has him there. But comparing their nukes though... Mira gets owned :)
 

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I wouldn't directly say Laxus has a higher attack rate than Mirajane. Just see:

Now I think we could all agree this is Laxus most impressive attack.

But this one of Mirajane's Satan Soul clearly surpasses it..
Laxus's nuke was hyped up to be able to kill (or at least seriously injure) a spriggan, while Mirajane's didn't really do much to two spriggan subordinates, so I'd say Laxus's nuke is the more impressive of the two.

Mirajane's magic power didn't just move back the water, it evaporated the sea-water by the coast which was stated and shown. Something Laxus' nor Natsu's magic power never was capable of.
Fixed, and lets not forget that Natsu also has a feat for evaporating water with his aura (granted his aura is heat-based,but still).

Freed is surely above Gray, Gajeel and Erza. His Dark Écriture is hax af and could easily kill someone. Erza would never fodderize Freed, lol. He'll low/mid diff her once he uses Dark Écriture: Darkness. Maybe he doesn't even need that, he could just break through every armor of her like Kagura's sealed Archenemy could.
Freed doesn't have the feats to be able to low/mid-diff or evens beat any of those 3.

That's a really downplaying of DF Wendy right there. Controlling the area is far more impressive than anything than DF Natsu has shown.
Even more impressive than manhandling Etherious Mard Geer?
 
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Mirajane's attack scales to base Natsu's punches. It is generally accepted that Laxus's attacks are not only stronger than base Natsu's, but larger too.
Notice the trees surrounding Makarov and Ajeel. In the image of Laxus' nukes, those trees aren't visible at all. Meaning either the blast enveloped them, or the image was zoomed back to such a scale they weren't visible. In Mirajane's imagines attack, the trees appear to be quite decently sized, and even Mirajane herself is visible. In fact, I would even go so far as to argue that the bolt scales to Mirajane's nuke, and the nuke is on a higher level.
Due to all of this, I would say that Laxus's attack is indeed larger than Mirajane's attack, and given the fact that August thought it could have taken out Ajeel stronger as well. But even if his nuke isn't larger (it is) and isn't hyped to be stronger (it is), Laxus' red lightning still managed to shatter Wahl. Unless Juliet and Heine have better durability than Wahl, Laxus still has the stronger attacks.


You can see the path that the air pressure from demolition carved from the rocks. All that area was previously water. It's important to note that the punch was what carved the path, and that the bedrock was already exposed by the body heat. Even if we say that Natsu didn't evaporate the entire lake, I think it would be fair to say he evaporated the width from Magnolia's shores to the other side. We can compare this to the amount of water Mirajane evaporated. It's not like Mirajane evaporated the entire sea either. At most, the area Mirajane evaporated would be the area from the trees to the newly established shoreline. What makes Natsu's body heat more impressive, however is the that it was able to cause Jacob, a Spriggan 12, to recoil in pain. This is more impressive than evaporating the water.

Currently, DF Wendy is weaker than base Natsu, and DF Natsu should be stronger than FDK Natsu. Honestly, current Wendy's dragon force is likely weaker than Sting and Rogue's. The only advantage she'll have over him is speed. I also don't know how Freed is ahead of Erza, Gajeel and Gray.
 
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My top ranking in the guild currently would be:
1.Laxus
2.Natsu
3.Gray
4.Erza
5.Mira
6.Gajeel
7.Cana(because she one shotted Brandish has Fairy Glitter
8.Wendy
9.Lucy
 

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Why is Laxus faster? Mirajane blitzed both Juliet and Hynhe who have a pretty high speed rate. As for Laxus, Hades could keep track of his Lightning Body.
Blitzing Wahl >>>> Blitzing Heine and Juliet. All three are comparatively featless as far as speed goes, but Wahl gets far more benefit of the doubt, especially when he's all about raw power rather then hax.

But this one of Mirajane's Satan Soul clearly surpasses it..
Not even close. Laxuses attack peaks higher then baseline clouds while Mirajane's nukes is only several times taller then a tree. As far as mere height goes Mirajane's attack isn't even as tall as Ajeels sand wave, let alone as wide as it, and the bolt of lightning that Laxus used to dispel that was significantly below what he used to attack Ajeel head-on. And then there is the fact that Laxuses nuke may have significantly injured Ajeel while Juliet and Heine tanked Mirajane's attack with minor injuries.

Laxuses attack power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mirajane's Satan Soul attack power.

Mirajane's magic power didn't just move back the water, it evaporated the sea which was stated and shown. Something Laxus' nor Natsu's magic power never was capable of.
That is quite literally what Natsu did. It was never stated exactly how much was evaporated. Judging by the area shown it doesn't seem to be much.

Freed is surely above Gray, Gajeel and Erza. His Dark Écriture is hax af and could easily kill someone. Erza would never fodderize Freed, lol. He'll low/mid diff her once he uses Dark Écriture: Darkness. Maybe he doesn't even need that, he could just break through every armor of her like Kagura's sealed Archenemy could.
No he's not. Dark Écriture requires extensive prep, its not combat oriented magic. His transformation lacks impressive feats, nothing suggests its powerful enough to break Erzas armours.

That's a really downplaying of DF Wendy right there. Controlling the area is far more impressive than anything than DF Natsu has shown.
Controlling the area? What do you mean exactly? DF Natsu has DF Wendy beat in every way possible, speed is the only thing debatable on that front.

Anyways here's a tier list of mine, I posted this a while back I think:

Tier 1:
Acnologia
Igneel
Dragon Kings (Others, if existed)

Tier 2:
Zeref Dragneel
Natsu Dragneel w/Igneels power

Tier 3:
August
Irene Belserion
Parent Dragons (Metallicana, Grandeeney, Skiadrum, Weisslogia)

Tier 4:
Gajeel Redfox (Particle Infused DF)
Laxus Dreyar (Current)
Jellal Fernandes (Current)
Natsu Dragneel (Current)
Motherglare
Atlas Flame
Bradman

Tier 5:
Wahl Icht
God Serena
Ajeel Lumur
Dimaria Yesta
Brandish Myu
Regular Dragons (ie Scissor Runner etc....)

Tier 6:
Jacob Lessio
Neinhart
Gajeel Redfox (Current)
Mirajane Strauss (Current)
Erza Scarlet (Current)
Ikatsunagi
Weak Dragons (ie Zirconis etc.....)

Tier 7:
Mard Geer
Sherria Blendy (Third Origin)
Precht Gaebolg (w/Heart)
Hyberion

Tier 8:
Celestial Spirit King (W/Lucy's MP)
Kagura Mikazuchi (Current)
Precht Gaebolg
Gildarts Clive (Tenrou)
Jellal Fernandes (Tartarus)
Wolfheim
Warrod Sequen
Jura Neekis (Current)

Tier 9:
Makarov Dreyar
Laxus Dreyar (GMG)
Jura Neekis (GMG)
Ur Milkovich
Bluenote
Lyon Vastia (Current)

Tier 10:
Jellal Fernandes (ToH Arc)
Zero (Brain Alter Ego)
Wahl Icht Proxy
Jiemma Orlando (Demon)
Erza Scarlet (Tartarus)
Wendy Marvell (Current)
Silver Fullbuster
Jose Porla
Mystogan
Franmalth (W/Hades Soul)
Kyouka
Sayla
Torafusa
Marin Hollow

Tier 11:
Natsu Dragneel (Tartarus)
Gray Fullbuster (Tartarus)
Gajeel Redfox (Tartarus)
Kagura Mikazuchi (GMG)
Jura Neekis (OS Arc)
Erza Scarlet (Tenrou)
Erza Knightwalker
Ultear Milkovich
Azuma w/Tenrou

Tier 15:
Ichiya Vandalay Kotobuki
Freed Justine (Current)
Sherria Blendy (Pre-TO)
Wendy Marvell (Current/Base)
Sting Eucliff (Tartarus)
Rogue Cheney (Tartarus)
Macbeth "Midnight" (Tartarus)
Erik "Cobra" w/Cubelios (OS Arc)
Mirajane Strauss (Tartarus)
Juvia Lockser (Current)
Meredy (Current)
Doriate
Arlock
Ikaruga
Azuma
Tempesta
Jackal
Ezel

Tier 16:
Ivan Dreyar
Zancrow
Keith
Lucy Heartfillia (Tartarus)
Rufus Lore (GMG)
Orga Nanagear (GMG)
Gray Fullbuster (GMG)
Lyon Vastia (GMG)
Bacchus Groh
Sorano "Angel" (Tartarus)
Elfman Strauss (GMG)
Sawyer "Racer" (Tartarus)
Richard Buchanan "Hoteye" (OS Arc)
Brain
Mary

Tier 17:
Juvia Lockser (Tartarus)
Freed Justine (Tenrou)
Levy McGarden (Current)
Lisanna Strauss (Current)
Panther Lily (GMG)
Rustyrose
Meredy (Tenrou)
Aria
Bakyl
Jerome
Kareem
Kurohebi

Tier 18:
Max Alors
Nullpudding
Bickslow (Tenrou)
Evergreen (Tenrou)
Flare Corona
Briar

Tier 19:
Vidaldus Taka
Yukino Agrea (GMG)
Kain
Cosmos
Kamika
Uosuke
Kama
Neppa
Fukuro
Erigor
Goumon
D-6
Byro
Hughes
Sugarboy
Yuka Zuzuki

Tier 20:
Toby Horhorta
Simon Mikazuchi
Wally Buchanan
Totomaru
Sho
Abel
Sol
 
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With today being Tuesday, we can start debunking some stuff.

Little Wendy plus her friend doesn't even stand a ghost of a chance against Bluenote. They are severely outclassed -- they got fodderstomped! I doubt her DF would close such a colossal gap. What business does she have challenging Natsu?:amuse

Mira's explosion feat was ok but don't blow it out of proportion comparing it to Laxus's own; especially when his frightened a Sprrigian tremendously to that point grandmaster August assumed it could take his fellow Sprrigian comrade out, & hers couldn't give subordinates first degree burn ha. Her new form isn't even on the same wavelength as Laxus's blast.
 

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last time we saw Fairy Law was during Festival arc. during Tenrou arc, it was just charged. I think I would by more satisfied if Laxus used Fairy Law against Wahl since he was immune to his lightning.
 

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last time we saw Fairy Law was during Festival arc. during Tenrou arc, it was just charged. I think I would by more satisfied if Laxus used Fairy Law against Wahl since he was immune to his lightning.
I think fairy law needs some time to be cast, thats why Laxus didnt use it , Whal wouldnt really just stand there and wait.
 

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Little Wendy plus her friend doesn't even stand a ghost of a chance against Bluenote. They are severely outclassed -- they got fodderstomped! I doubt her DF would close such a colossal gap. What business does she have challenging Natsu?
I thought this was already well accepted? Wendy isn't really on Spriggan 12 level, even with DF, she went one on one against Dimaria and lost so she's not quite there yet...
Mira's explosion feat was ok but don't blow it out of proportion comparing it to Laxus's own; especially when his frightened a Sprrigian tremendously to that point grandmaster August assumed it could take his fellow Sprrigian comrade out, & hers couldn't give subordinates first degree burn ha. Her new form isn't even on the same wavelength as Laxus's blast.
No one said its on Laxus's level, he's top dog in the guild right now so he's definitely in a class of his own..
Although I think you're not giving Mira enough credit, she beat back two entities into their original forms, it was like Sherria beating Dimaria out of her God Soul form and back to her normal human body
 

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these are all your messages to me.

your argument is Mira herself said it(and we know that all hypes are 100% accurate afterall. gmg sting was afterall above aconologia. and there are no characters who are humble. we only have arrogant characters)
and jura is 4th WS, he is not. he was 5th. he became 5th after markarove jose jellal gildarts erza and laxus werent in competition anymore. all of these have better feats than him.
and oneshot a weaker unsuspecting mage who was weaker than both erza oppoenents.
and repeated laxus >> erza because you know that if you keep on repeating it. it will become true.

and this and making sure not to use any common sense
we can arrive at jura >> erza.

yes, laxus was shown to be top tier along with erza.
by jellal
he wonder who will win in chapter 79
by markarov
he thought erza could defeat him in chapter 108
by mystogan
he called laxus blind for thinking erza was weak in chapter 119
by jellal
he was shocked by how fasr erza could move in chapter 155
by jellal
he thought only erza has a chance of beating zero in chapter 157

but what am i talking about. your "common sense" is much more valid than these manga facts.
we can also ignore jura lack of feats. we can also ignore the fact that laxus has never done anything that erza couldn't do before the first time skip or before the second time skip.
but we have to believe laxus >> erza because your "common sense" says so.

also try to read carefully.
i said that timeskip. that
the first time skip only.
yes almost everyone grew the same
(and you pretty much believe it too, except erza didnt grow that much because we all know mishma hates erza guts. right?)
jura with 7 years work grew as much as jellal with 4 years work who also grew as much as laxus with three months training who also grew as much as erza with SO.
nothing shows this to be wrong other than your "common sense".

and yes natsu can with stand grand chariot in every time skip.
And of course Jura will improve more than Ezra in that time skip because Ezra after all barely fights in manga right?

You don't seems to understand fairy tail much do you.
Next time bring actual facts from the manga. And please don't use your "common sense". Manga facts will be enough for me :^_^

Mira saying her and Erza together is weaker than Jura is completely different from Sting ignorantly saying he could beat Acnologia when he hadn't even seen him. Get a new counter argument instead of saying HYPE HUUR HYPE DOESN'T MATTER. Stamentts=/=Hype.

Erza in the GMG doesn't have better feats than Jura lol.

Unsuspecting? Orga edged him on and was fully prepared to fight Jura, while Orga is weaker than Kagura and Minerva that doesn't mean Jura one shotting Orga isn't more impressive. Erza herself struggled greatly in both fights.


Erza has never been a 'top tier' even BoS she was nowhere near Makarov. Don't use the battle of Fairy Tail arc as fact, Makarov thought himself Gray stood a chance against Laxus. As for Mystogun he never said Erza was on Laxus' level he just said she wasn't weak, that's it. Gray himself implies the top two that arc was Mystogun or Laxus, while Erza near the start of the series said Natsu himself was equal or a bit stronger than her and he was no match for Laxus on his own.


Laxus hasn't done anything Erza could have? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Erza wouldn't stomp Natsu and Gajeel at the same time during the Fighting Festival, but Laxus was. Erza stood no chance against Base Hades on her own, but guess what? Laxus did, heck Laxus done better than Natsu+Gray+Erza+ Lucy and Wendy did by himself. Tenrou Laxus>Tenrou Team Natsu before Natsu got LFD.


Portrayal, common sense and feats puts Laxus>>Erza during the GMG and pretty much throughout the whole series.


In the first skip everyone didn't grow the same either, Jellal being out for 4 years was pulled out of your ass. Nothing IMPLIES EVERYONE GREW THE SAME AMOUNT.

Natsu can't stand every GC and that's baseless.


You say I don't understand Fairy Tail when you have one of the poorest reading comprehensions on this site...
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Because Mirajane didn't have a chance to defeat a Spriggan doesn't directly say she is weaker than them. She could pretty much slay every Spriggan that isn't in possession of hax magic with Seilah Soul.

Why is Laxus faster? Mirajane blitzed both Juliet and Hynhe who have a pretty high speed rate. As for Laxus, Hades could keep track of his Lightning Body.

I wouldn't directly say Laxus has a higher attack rate than Mirajane. Just see:


Now I think we could all agree this is Laxus most impressive attack.


But this one of Mirajane's Satan Soul clearly surpasses it..

Mirajane's magic power didn't just move back the water, it evaporated the sea which was stated and shown. Something Laxus' nor Natsu's magic power never was capable of.

I didn't include Makarov.

Freed is surely above Gray, Gajeel and Erza. His Dark Écriture is hax af and could easily kill someone. Erza would never fodderize Freed, lol. He'll low/mid diff her once he uses Dark Écriture: Darkness. Maybe he doesn't even need that, he could just break through every armor of her like Kagura's sealed Archenemy could.

That's a really downplaying of DF Wendy right there. Controlling the area is far more impressive than anything than DF Natsu has shown.

:lmao no amount of these will make this post less funny.


Seliah Soul is still a massive NLF.

But here's the funny part, Mira blizting two of the Spirggans lackeys isn't impressive, both Kagura and Erza do that while Laxus was badly out speeding a Spirggan himself .


While the fact you said Laxus' most casual attack since the current time skip is his most impressive is also laughable which even then it's still miles bigger than Mira's. Look at the tree in comparison blast size and the tree was literally right next to the blast. Laxus' nuke is wayy bigger than stronger, heck that 'nuke' couldn't even badly injure the lackeys.


As for Laxus and Natsu' MPnot evaporating the ocean.....Does that matter? Natsu's passive heat as melted metal while Laxus himself hasn't even been near water.

As for Freed being above Erza and Gray.......That doesn't even require a serious reply :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
 
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Because Mirajane didn't have a chance to defeat a Spriggan doesn't directly say she is weaker than them.
That is correct, I never said she's weaker because she didn't defeat a Spriggan, I said she's weaker because she likely couldn't. If you ask me, she'd perform similar or better than Erza but she still doesn't reach borderline spriggan level.

She could pretty much slay every Spriggan that isn't in possession of hax magic with Seilah Soul.
August, Irene, Dimaria, Brandish, Jacob and probably Bradman are automatically out of her league.
God Serena fodderized the GoI and Mirajane should be GoI+ so she'd actually perform as good as or better than Hyberion against him, IMO, but she'd be low diffed by God Serena. And I'm being generous and hyping Mira a lot here.
Against Ajeel, Mira should push him to mid-high difficulty whereas Erza only reached a mid-diff push for him.
Against Wahl, I do not think he'd push him to more than mid diff to be honest. Mira's strongest attack should be well below Laxus' strongest.
I consider Neinhart rather weak so if she manages to dodge all the historias he'll create, she may have a chance against him.

Why is Laxus faster? Mirajane blitzed both Juliet and Hynhe who have a pretty high speed rate. As for Laxus, Hades could keep track of his Lightning Body.
Current Laxus >>>>>>>> GMG Laxus >>> Tenrou Laxus.
Please do not bring Tenrou Laxus in the equation, he's fodder.
Mirajane Alegria should be fast, but Laxus is related to lightning which is 'the fastest' element. He pretty much keeped up with the speed of a Spriggan and dodged all his attacks so, again, I see him vastly faster.

I wouldn't directly say Laxus has a higher attack rate than Mirajane. Just see:


Now I think we could all agree this is Laxus most impressive attack.


But this one of Mirajane's Satan Soul clearly surpasses it..
Calculations put Laxus' nuke 10x bigger than Laxus' but AoE is not everything. While Laxus' nuke would've damaged Ajeel, Satan Soul's only managed to scratch the sword sisters a little.

Mirajane's magic power didn't just move back the water, it evaporated the sea which was stated and shown. Something Laxus' nor Natsu's magic power never was capable of.
Pretty sure Laxus would manage to do so as well. Also, the area of the sea Mira evaporated is waaaaay smaller than the amount of water Natsu did evaporate. Calculations prove so!

I didn't include Makarov.
Oh, that's ok.

Freed is surely above Gray, Gajeel and Erza.
After reading such drivel I'm tempted to stop reading but let me see...

His Dark Écriture is hax af and could easily kill someone.
No it couldn't. First of all, because it has killed no-one and secondly, because his 'closest' attack to killing someone was "shimetsu" which can be interpreted as death or annihilation. If the latter, which I'm inclined to think, it'd be stronger than "dark écriture: pain" but it wouldn't kill the target.

Also, if you consider that shimetsu can actually kill someone, which I'm inclined to believe it can't, or at least it can't kill a mage of lower calibre than himself in just one attack. The thing is, it can seemingly kill anyone (below him) after intense pain from other of his attacks. So "Shimetsu" is probably the culmination of "pain", it's not a spell per se that can kill right off the bat. He was going to use it with Elfman who was already severely injured so, it's not like it's hax.

He didn't use it against Mirajane so why assume he could kill anyone? Also, Battle of FT Mirajane >> Battle of FT Freed. A Mirajane who, for the record, had just awakened his powers after likely months of no using magic. So, Battle of FT Erza >>>> Battle of FT Freed, probably.

Taking into account the extreme growth rate of the main cast, it's very likely that current Erza is >>>>>>>>>>>> current Freed (MANY tiers, Erza can most likely oneshot him).

Also, portrayal also puts Freed tiers below Erza. Back in Tenrou, Freed was a candidate for the S exams but so were Natsu, Gray, Levy or Mest. Levy!!! And in Tenrou, he was already arguably below Gray but not by much.

With the exponential growth rate of the main cast, Gray should be around as above Freed as Erza is.

Erza would never fodderize Freed, lol. He'll low/mid diff her once he uses Dark Écriture: Darkness. Maybe he doesn't even need that, he could just break through every armor of her like Kagura's sealed Archenemy could.
Uhmmm... I'm betting all my money Erza doesn't even need to reequip. No need to blitz him (although she could). With her primary armor she can pretty much oneshot Freed. It's like comparing Makarov to Vijeteer or something like that. Seriously...

Erza is vastly superior in everything: magic power, cqc, speed, durability, portrayal, hype, power of friendship, feats... Dark Écriture: Darkness is a nice powerup but it's pretty much similar to Beast Soul. As a matter of fact, I think I've come up with a good match for Freed: Elfman. They should be on the same league.

That's a really downplaying of DF Wendy right there. Controlling the area is far more impressive than anything than DF Natsu has shown.
I've read several posts and discussions in which you defend DF Wendy. Truth be told, DF Wendy should not be much above Juvia. I mean, don't get me wrong, DF Wendy is strong, but she probably doesn't reach Wizard Saint category, while all the main cast save for Lucy probably has already reached GoI+ levels or even Spriggan level for some specific cases!!

I think fairy law needs some time to be cast, thats why Laxus didnt use it , Whal wouldnt really just stand there and wait.
I think there was a discussion about this recently somewhere in this forum. I also thought it took a lot of time to cast but I think in the end it equates to few seconds, 2 or 3.

I thought this was already well accepted? Wendy isn't really on Spriggan 12 level, even with DF, she went one on one against Dimaria and lost so she's not quite there yet...
DF Wendy was quite impressive back in Tartaros because it kind of put her close-ish to Tartaros Erza, and that was quite considerable already.

Although Wendy being close to the main cast, I bet she's improved massively but even so, although her full DF is superior to the one shown in Tartaros, it couldn't even tickle, push back a little a Spriggan like Dimaria. Actually Dimaria was less affected by her than she'd be by a fly so I seriously think DF Wendy barely reaches the Wizard Saint tier, and currently the Wizard Saint tier is... well not significant anymore

So I have Bluenote to still be superior to DF Wendy, not by many tiers though. Something like Bluenote being mid WS and DF Wendy being borderline WS or very low WS. And Base Natsu fodderized BN. So yeah.
 
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If I had to list the strongest in the FT guild it would be something like:

1) Laxus (Gildarts would be above Laxus according to my hype lol)
2) Natsu
3) Gray (What I'm expecting anyway)
4) Erza
5) Mira/Gajeel
6) Wendy
7) Lucy
8) Cana (Fairy Glitter is her only impressive spell)
 
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If I had to list the strongest in the FT guild it would be something like:

1) Laxus (Gildarts would be above Laxus according to my hype lol)
2) Natsu
3) Gray (What I'm expecting anyway)
4) Erza
5) Mira/Gajeel
6) Wendy
7) Lucy
8) Cana (Fairy Law is her only impressive spell)
you mean Fairy Glitter. Cana has Fairy Glitter, not Fairy Law.
 

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Idk about you, but to me Laxus's nuke looks bigger in those pictures.
Look one more time.

Natsu hasn't shown anything like Mirajane evaporating the seawater? He evaporated a lake and melted the entire GMG stadium just with his body heat and you still think Mira is the only one with that kind of feat?
Uhm, evaporating a SEA is far more impressive than a lake or some stadium. Not to forget that Mirajane did it with her magic power, while Natsu did it with his body heat.

Freed is above Gray, Gajeel, and Erza? You can't be serious. Freed hasn't shown a single feat in his entire series that shows he would be able to beat those three. He needed help to beat some lackeys back on Tenrou Island and he was low-diffed by Mirajane back during FF. Freed is strong for sure but claiming he's above even Erza is completely ridiculous.
Hasn't shown a single feat? LOL. I'll show you ONE of his multiple feats which will oneshot Erza.


Hopefully that was enough to convince you.

Laxus's nuke was hyped up to be able to kill (or at least seriously injure) a spriggan, while Mirajane's didn't really do much to two spriggan subordinates, so I'd say Laxus's nuke is the more impressive of the two.
Exactly. Hyped. He never showed he can. Actually, it was easily blocked by a barrier.

fixed and also, lets not forget that Natsu also has a feat for evaporating water with his aura (granted his aura is heat-based,but still).

"Drying up the sea water", as in "about to evaporate the sea water".

Even more impressive than manhandling Etherious Mard Geer?
No, Mard Geer tanked DF Natsu's strongest spell and owned him after. In that case, DF Wendy is far more impressive since she blitzed Ezel all the way and destroyed him with ease.

Blitzing Wahl >>>> Blitzing Heine and Juliet. All three are comparatively featless as far as speed goes, but Wahl gets far more benefit of the doubt, especially when he's all about raw power rather then hax.
When did Laxus blitz Wahl? Both Juliet and Hynhe aren't featless in speed at all. Juliet becomes fast because she can slow others down with her magic and Hynhe is just fast in general.


Not even close. Laxuses attack peaks higher then baseline clouds while Mirajane's nukes is only several times taller then a tree. As far as mere height goes Mirajane's attack isn't even as tall as Ajeels sand wave, let alone as wide as it, and the bolt of lightning that Laxus used to dispel that was significantly below what he used to attack Ajeel head-on. And then there is the fact that Laxuses nuke may have significantly injured Ajeel while Juliet and Heine tanked Mirajane's attack with minor injuries.
Just compare the size of Christina with the size of Mirajane.. You'll see.

Is Sema weak because the Oración Seis didn't die? Not really.

Laxuses attack power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mirajane's Satan Soul attack power.
If that's what you want, I'm fine. But try to deny that Mirajane's Seilah Soul and Alegria Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laxus.

That is quite literally what Natsu did. It was never stated exactly how much was evaporated. Judging by the area shown it doesn't seem to be much.
It was ABOUT to get evaporated. Hynhe's words, not mine.

No he's not. Dark Écriture requires extensive prep, its not combat oriented magic. His transformation lacks impressive feats, nothing suggests its powerful enough to break Erzas armours.
Not a combat oriented magic? How about Dark Écriture: Darkness and Dark Écriture: Absolute Shadow? He broke through Wahl's proxy, which seems far more impressive than breaking through one of Erza's armors. I mean, Kagura destroyed her most defensive one with sealed Archenemy. Yeah..

Controlling the area? What do you mean exactly? DF Natsu has DF Wendy beat in every way possible, speed is the only thing debatable on that front.

Tell me which feat from DF Natsu is more impressive than controlling the space.

:lmao no amount of these will make this post less funny.

Seliah Soul is still a massive NLF.
Good argument.

But here's the funny part, Mira blizting two of the Spirggans lackeys isn't impressive, both Kagura and Erza do that while Laxus was badly out speeding a Spirggan himself .
He wasn't.

While the fact you said Laxus' most casual attack since the current time skip is his most impressive is also laughable which even then it's still miles bigger than Mira's. Look at the tree in comparison blast size and the tree was literally right next to the blast. Laxus' nuke is wayy bigger than stronger, heck that 'nuke' couldn't even badly injure the lackeys.
Look at Mirajane first, if you can find her.

As for Laxus and Natsu' MPnot evaporating the ocean.....Does that matter? Natsu's passive heat as melted metal while Laxus himself hasn't even been near water.
Lol.

As for Freed being above Erza and Gray.......That doesn't even require a serious reply :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
Good argument, again.

That is correct, I never said she's weaker because she didn't defeat a Spriggan, I said she's weaker because she likely couldn't. If you ask me, she'd perform similar or better than Erza but she still doesn't reach borderline spriggan level.

August, Irene, Dimaria, Brandish, Jacob and probably Bradman are automatically out of her league.
God Serena fodderized the GoI and Mirajane should be GoI+ so she'd actually perform as good as or better than Hyberion against him, IMO, but she'd be low diffed by God Serena. And I'm being generous and hyping Mira a lot here.
Against Ajeel, Mira should push him to mid-high difficulty whereas Erza only reached a mid-diff push for him.
Against Wahl, I do not think he'd push him to more than mid diff to be honest. Mira's strongest attack should be well below Laxus' strongest.
I consider Neinhart rather weak so if she manages to dodge all the historias he'll create, she may have a chance against him.
And exactly what would happen if Mirajane will use Macro against God Serena? Or Ajeel? Or Wahl?

Current Laxus >>>>>>>> GMG Laxus >>> Tenrou Laxus.
Please do not bring Tenrou Laxus in the equation, he's fodder.
Mirajane Alegria should be fast, but Laxus is related to lightning which is 'the fastest' element. He pretty much keeped up with the speed of a Spriggan and dodged all his attacks so, again, I see him vastly faster.
Wahl's speed isn't that impressive to be recognized. But alright, I'll give this one to you.

Calculations put Laxus' nuke 10x bigger than Laxus' but AoE is not everything. While Laxus' nuke would've damaged Ajeel, Satan Soul's only managed to scratch the sword sisters a little.
It's never shown Laxus would've do something against Ajeel. I wouldn't underestimate the durability of Juliet and Hynhe, they're actually swords after all.

Pretty sure Laxus would manage to do so as well. Also, the area of the sea Mira evaporated is waaaaay smaller than the amount of water Natsu did evaporate. Calculations prove so!
Hynhe stated that the sea was about to get evaporated. I already showed evidence somewhere else in this post lol.

No it couldn't. First of all, because it has killed no-one and secondly, because his 'closest' attack to killing someone was "shimetsu" which can be interpreted as death or annihilation. If the latter, which I'm inclined to think, it'd be stronger than "dark écriture: pain" but it wouldn't kill the target.

Also, if you consider that shimetsu can actually kill someone, which I'm inclined to believe it can't, or at least it can't kill a mage of lower calibre than himself in just one attack. The thing is, it can seemingly kill anyone (below him) after intense pain from other of his attacks. So "Shimetsu" is probably the culmination of "pain", it's not a spell per se that can kill right off the bat. He was going to use it with Elfman who was already severely injured so, it's not like it's hax.

He didn't use it against Mirajane so why assume he could kill anyone? Also, Battle of FT Mirajane >> Battle of FT Freed. A Mirajane who, for the record, had just awakened his powers after likely months of no using magic. So, Battle of FT Erza >>>> Battle of FT Freed, probably.

Taking into account the extreme growth rate of the main cast, it's very likely that current Erza is >>>>>>>>>>>> current Freed (MANY tiers, Erza can most likely oneshot him).

Also, portrayal also puts Freed tiers below Erza. Back in Tenrou, Freed was a candidate for the S exams but so were Natsu, Gray, Levy or Mest. Levy!!! And in Tenrou, he was already arguably below Gray but not by much.

With the exponential growth rate of the main cast, Gray should be around as above Freed as Erza is.
It was actually stated that Freed's attack was about to kill Elfman.

Saying he can only use it on lower tiers is nothing more than assumptions. No matter, tortuting would be enough to end those three, PoF excluded ofc.

He couldn't use it against Mirajane because he was blitzed all the way.

Erza's only impressive feat is Nakagami Armor.. I'm not impressed by her anymore since she was slayed by Kagura. What makes you actually think Erza would oneshot Freed? Which feat from her is more impressive than his?

Freed lost during the S-Class exams due to plot.

Uhmmm... I'm betting all my money Erza doesn't even need to reequip. No need to blitz him (although she could). With her primary armor she can pretty much oneshot Freed. It's like comparing Makarov to Vijeteer or something like that. Seriously...

Erza is vastly superior in everything: magic power, cqc, speed, durability, portrayal, hype, power of friendship, feats... Dark Écriture: Darkness is a nice powerup but it's pretty much similar to Beast Soul. As a matter of fact, I think I've come up with a good match for Freed: Elfman. They should be on the same league.
Erza will never blitz Freed. On the contrary, tbh.


You keep on downplaying Freed. Elfman.. Seriously?

I've read several posts and discussions in which you defend DF Wendy. Truth be told, DF Wendy should not be much above Juvia. I mean, don't get me wrong, DF Wendy is strong, but she probably doesn't reach Wizard Saint category, while all the main cast save for Lucy probably has already reached GoI+ levels or even Spriggan level for some specific cases!!

I think there was a discussion about this recently somewhere in this forum. I also thought it took a lot of time to cast but I think in the end it equates to few seconds, 2 or 3.

DF Wendy was quite impressive back in Tartaros because it kind of put her close-ish to Tartaros Erza, and that was quite considerable already.

Although Wendy being close to the main cast, I bet she's improved massively but even so, although her full DF is superior to the one shown in Tartaros, it couldn't even tickle, push back a little a Spriggan like Dimaria. Actually Dimaria was less affected by her than she'd be by a fly so I seriously think DF Wendy barely reaches the Wizard Saint tier, and currently the Wizard Saint tier is... well not significant anymore

So I have Bluenote to still be superior to DF Wendy, not by many tiers though. Something like Bluenote being mid WS and DF Wendy being borderline WS or very low WS. And Base Natsu fodderized BN. So yeah.
Once Wendy uses DF she becomes pretty hax. She had just bad luck she had to face a god.

She actually is the fastest mage in Fairy Tail. She could blitz everyone in Fairy Tail and defeat most of them with her nuke.
 

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no one is saying that Laxus' nuke would kill Ajeel, but to downplay it to the point where Ajeel wouldn't have a scratch is bullshit. the fact that August even intervened means that it was very bad for Ajeel.
 

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Look one more time.



Uhm, evaporating a SEA is far more impressive than a lake or some stadium. Not to forget that Mirajane did it with her magic power, while Natsu did it with his body heat.



Hasn't shown a single feat? LOL. I'll show you ONE of his multiple feats which will oneshot Erza.


Hopefully that was enough to convince you.



Exactly. Hyped. He never showed he can. Actually, it was easily blocked by a barrier.




"Drying up the sea water", as in "about to evaporate the sea water".



No, Mard Geer tanked DF Natsu's strongest spell and owned him after. In that case, DF Wendy is far more impressive since she blitzed Ezel all the way and destroyed him with ease.



When did Laxus blitz Wahl? Both Juliet and Hynhe aren't featless in speed at all. Juliet becomes fast because she can slow others down with her magic and Hynhe is just fast in general.




Just compare the size of Christina with the size of Mirajane.. You'll see.

Is Sema weak because the Oración Seis didn't die? Not really.



If that's what you want, I'm fine. But try to deny that Mirajane's Seilah Soul and Alegria Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laxus.



It was ABOUT to get evaporated. Hynhe's words, not mine.



Not a combat oriented magic? How about Dark Écriture: Darkness and Dark Écriture: Absolute Shadow? He broke through Wahl's proxy, which seems far more impressive than breaking through one of Erza's armors. I mean, Kagura destroyed her most defensive one with sealed Archenemy. Yeah..




Tell me which feat from DF Natsu is more impressive than controlling the space.



Good argument.



He wasn't.



Look at Mirajane first, if you can find her.



Lol.



Good argument, again.



And exactly what would happen if Mirajane will use Macro against God Serena? Or Ajeel? Or Wahl?



Wahl's speed isn't that impressive to be recognized. But alright, I'll give this one to you.



It's never shown Laxus would've do something against Ajeel. I wouldn't underestimate the durability of Juliet and Hynhe, they're actually swords after all.



Hynhe stated that the sea was about to get evaporated. I already showed evidence somewhere else in this post lol.



It was actually stated that Freed's attack was about to kill Elfman.

Saying he can only use it on lower tiers is nothing more than assumptions. No matter, tortuting would be enough to end those three, PoF excluded ofc.

He couldn't use it against Mirajane because he was blitzed all the way.

Erza's only impressive feat is Nakagami Armor.. I'm not impressed by her anymore since she was slayed by Kagura. What makes you actually think Erza would oneshot Freed? Which feat from her is more impressive than his?

Freed lost during the S-Class exams due to plot.



Erza will never blitz Freed. On the contrary, tbh.


You keep on downplaying Freed. Elfman.. Seriously?



Once Wendy uses DF she becomes pretty hax. She had just bad luck she had to face a god.

She actually is the fastest mage in Fairy Tail. She could blitz everyone in Fairy Tail and defeat most of them with her nuke.
Dude it's the most obvious thing in the world that they didn't mean Mira was going to evaporate THE WHOLE SEA. That's completely ridiculous.

So your only evidence as to why Freed can beat Erza is because he was beating Elfman, someone who's far weaker than Erza? Makes sense.

Please tell me who in Fairy Tail Wendy could beat other than fodder? I'm quite curious.
 

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Exactly. Hyped. He never showed he can. Actually, it was easily blocked by a barrier.
Yes,it was blocked by a barrier...casted by August. Making that old man fear for a fellow spriggan's life > slightly injuring two spriggan subordinates.

"Drying up the sea water", as in "about to evaporate the sea water".
Your original comment:
Mirajane's magic power didn't just move back the water, it evaporated the sea which was stated and shown. Something Laxus' nor Natsu's magic power never was capable of.
You made it sound like Mira evaporated the entire sea (or at least a significant portion of it). I was merely correcting you.

No, Mard Geer tanked DF Natsu's strongest spell and owned him after. In that case, DF Wendy is far more impressive since she blitzed Ezel all the way and destroyed him with ease.
Mard Geer was getting blitzed the entire time Natsu was in DF, He only started gaining the upper hand once Natsu's magical power ran out + base Natsu > base Wendy, so it would only make sense for his DF to be > hers.
 
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Look one more time.
You really should look one more time.

AoE





Red: size of detachments
Green: perspective-wise approximation of the size of a person

Damage

From borderline spriggan level to mid tier spriggan level


Around S-class mage. It didn't put them down, and they should be very low WS tiers, if at all.

Uhm, evaporating a SEA is far more impressive than a lake or some stadium.


Red line: 50 m (being generous)
Green line: 2 m
Blue line: 0,5 m
Liters evaporated: 50.000 l



Inestimable
I'm going to be VERY generous here:
depth and width: 200 x 200 m
Height: 30 m
Liters evaporated: 2.000.000.000

Natsu's feat is, at least, forty thousand times more impressive.

Not to forget that Mirajane did it with her magic power, while Natsu did it with his body heat.
Hmmm I'd say both are manifestations of MP but alright, let's give Mira credit for this. This makes Natsu's feat only twenty thousand times more impressive.

Hasn't shown a single feat? LOL. I'll show you ONE of his multiple feats which will oneshot Erza.


Hopefully that was enough to convince you.
Erza is going to look at that magic and the magic is automatically going to dispel xD

No, Mard Geer tanked DF Natsu's strongest spell and owned him after. In that case, DF Wendy is far more impressive since she blitzed Ezel all the way and destroyed him with ease.
Ezel is high A-class mage and DF Wendy is mid S-class mage, whereas Mard Geer is GoI class mage and DF Natsu is GoI or GoI+

DF Tartarus Natsu > Mard Geer >>>>>>> DF Wendy >> Ezel

DF Tartarus would still beat Mard Geer if his DF hadn't run out so easily, and, for the record, Tartaros DF Wendy would've been as much of a problem for Mard Geer as she was to Dimaria. OK maybe I'm exaggerating. Maybe DF Wendy would scratch him a little.

Your comparison is pretty much as though you were to compare Happy and Juvia.

When did Laxus blitz Wahl? Both Juliet and Hynhe aren't featless in speed at all. Juliet becomes fast because she can slow others down with her magic and Hynhe is just fast in general.
Hmmm you're quite right. I wouldn't say Laxus blitzed Wahl, rather, he was capable of dodging most of his attacks and he showed superior speed than his. Juliet and Heine are fast for lackeys, but their speed is not comparable to Wahl, not in a milion years.

I think Jet is faster than them both.

Just compare the size of Christina with the size of Mirajane.. You'll see.
Oh, wow, NO! Christina was several dozens/hundreds meters away from the nuke (even km) whereas Mirajane was like, what, 10 m away?

Is Sema weak because the Oración Seis didn't die? Not really.
They didn't die because Jellal didn't want them to.

If that's what you want, I'm fine. But try to deny that Mirajane's Seilah Soul and Alegria Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laxus.
Easy: Mirajane Shaila is as strong as Shaila who's slightly below Kyouka who's Tartaros Erza tier. Alegria is as powerful or slightly more than Mard Geer which is GoI tier.

Offensive power:

Current Laxus > Wahl >>> Alegria Mira > Mard Geer >>> Mira Shaila

Not a combat oriented magic? How about Dark Écriture: Darkness and Dark Écriture: Absolute Shadow? He broke through Wahl's proxy, which seems far more impressive than breaking through one of Erza's armors. I mean, Kagura destroyed her most defensive one with sealed Archenemy. Yeah..
Yeah like Wahl proxy is a big deal... Wahl proxy is probably Tenrou S-class level at most.
Current Erza is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wahl proxy


Tell me which feat from DF Natsu is more impressive than controlling the space.
I've seen you defend this argument over and over and I really don't quite get what's so impressive about that. What does "controll the space" mean? Not much if you ask me. Probably that in the area she says she "controls", she can move faster than Ezel. Faster than EZEL, which is no big deal if you ask me.

And exactly what would happen if Mirajane will use Macro against God Serena? Or Ajeel? Or Wahl?
There are two possibilities.
If you believe in the NLF, then macro (and, for that matter, age seal, fairy law, MBP, etc. etc. etc.) can beat everyone, Acno included.
If you don't believe in the NLF, Macro's not gonna work on them.

Wahl's speed isn't that impressive to be recognized. But alright, I'll give this one to you.
That's a lame argument for attempting to downgrade a cqc specialist spriggan.

It's never shown Laxus would've do something against Ajeel. I wouldn't underestimate the durability of Juliet and Hynhe, they're actually swords after all.
I strongly agree with you, I don't believe that nuke would've severely harmed or even killed Ajeel as many claim. But he'd have neded up mildly injured at least, and that's for sure. Mild injuries to a Spriggan (Laxus nuke level) >> scratches to a spriggan >> mild injuries to a spriggan lackey >> scratches to a spriggan lackey (Base Satan Soul nuke level).

I'm not underestimating their durability but they're just on a different scale than that of a Spriggan's. Save for Neinhart lol...

Hynhe stated that the sea was about to get evaporated. I already showed evidence somewhere else in this post lol.
Uhmm normally these static panells show the desired effect at the middle of the desired effect. For example, Natsu evaporating the lake was shown by a panel in which half of the depth of the lake had already evaporated. It's likely he managed to evaporate the whole thing.

Mira's static panel showed how the sea had kind of withdrawn several meters. It didn't show evaporation but I believe it did evaporate the part of water that's nonexistant in the area I posted in the image above.

It was actually stated that Freed's attack was about to kill Elfman.
Alright I believe it might've, although it's not like Freed was going to murder a fellow mage.
But let's not understand that as hax, let's understand that as a powerful spell which happened after consecutive powerful spells that left Elfman heavily injured.

Saying he can only use it on lower tiers is nothing more than assumptions. No matter, tortuting would be enough to end those three, PoF excluded ofc.
By the same token, saying it can kill pretty much anyone when it has not killed a single soul is but a baseless assumption. Erza and Gray are so, so, so, so, sooooo above current Freed that you can't even begin to envision the gap between them if you really do believe he's superior.

He couldn't use it against Mirajane because he was blitzed all the way.
So, if he was blitzed by Mirajane who was Erza's equal, what makes you believe he's now magically improved so much he's above an Erza who's vastly improved as well, with growth ratios superior to those of secondary characters like Freed?

Erza's only impressive feat is Nakagami Armor.. I'm not impressed by her anymore since she was slayed by Kagura. What makes you actually think Erza would oneshot Freed? Which feat from her is more impressive than his?
You're wrong, Erza's impressive feat is putting up a decent fight against Ajeel while Freed's impressive feat is defending a city with a magic he first claimed was unbreakable but, then, oh, the numbers were going to break it + defeating Wahl proxy which is utter fodder.

Erza is so superior to Freed you wouldn't even wish to listen to such an argument if I gave you one. You'd still believe Freed is superior when he's fodder compared to Erza. Like, literally, he'd be no diffed.

Freed lost during the S-Class exams due to plot.
Agreed.

Erza will never blitz Freed. On the contrary, tbh.
Erza blitzed Ajeel who's a cqc spriggan level specialist...... Erza laughs at Freed's speed. Also, stop with the Tenrou feats, current Freed is well above anything shown in Tenrou, and he's still gonna lose badly.

You keep on downplaying Freed. Elfman.. Seriously?
Uhm now let me ask you, why do you think Elfman couldn't beat Freed? I believe Elfman had similar treatment to Freed. Alright Freed has always had a slight edge against Elfman but they've always belonged to the same tier. He was chosen for the GMG when Freed wasn't. Not like this proves anything though, but just saying.

Once Wendy uses DF she becomes pretty hax. She had just bad luck she had to face a god.
Uhm... Erza would've put up a decent fight against Dimaria but Wendy didn't even scratch her. DF Wendy is not hax, you might've been impressed by her speed back in Tartaros, you need to understand current DF Wendy is vastly superior to Tartaros Wendy and, still, her speed, even having grown much, is not top tier. Or even if I were to accept her speed is top notch, she still lacks behind on everything else to be considered even spriggan level lackey.

She actually is the fastest mage in Fairy Tail. She could blitz everyone in Fairy Tail and defeat most of them with her nuke.
Laxus and Erza kept up with cqc specialists spriggans so by powerscaling they should be massively faster.
 
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When did Laxus blitz Wahl? Both Juliet and Hynhe aren't featless in speed at all. Juliet becomes fast because she can slow others down with her magic and Hynhe is just fast in general.
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Juliet slowing others down says nothing about her own speed so blitzing her says very little about the speed of the person blitzing her. Heine "blitzed" a unsuspected immobilized base Mirajane, thats hardly impressive at all.

Just compare the size of Christina with the size of Mirajane.. You'll see.
Do you mean compare to the explosion? Because you can't. Christina itself would make Mira look like a fly in size and Christina is a lot closer to the "lens" then Mirajane is. Fact remains that:

1) Laxuses nuke reached the clouds, Mirajanes barely stood over some trees.
2) You could downright see canyons from the birds eye view.

There is no way around it here. Even using common sense, Christina is not dragging itself against the ground......its flying. And Christina is taller then a palm tree.

Is Sema weak because the Oración Seis didn't die? Not really.
I do not see the relevance of it here, seeing as how Juliet and Heine tanked Miras attack.

If that's what you want, I'm fine. But try to deny that Mirajane's Seilah Soul and Alegria Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laxus.
Sure.......I deny it. Nothing there for me to believe that is the case, Alegria Soul is nigh featless and Macro is one big NLF.

It was ABOUT to get evaporated. Hynhe's words, not mine.
Her exact words are its drying up the sea water. Its in the process of doing it.

How about Dark Écriture: Darkness and Dark Écriture: Absolute Shadow? He broke through Wahl's proxy, which seems far more impressive than breaking through one of Erza's armors. I mean, Kagura destroyed her most defensive one with sealed Archenemy. Yeah..
He broke it with plot empowered Ichiya and it was caught off guard at that. Besides, the thing has no durability feats, I see no reason why Kagura couldn't cut it if she was in the exact same position as Freed.

Tell me which feat from DF Natsu is more impressive than controlling the space.
Pressuring and blitzing Mard for the limited time in which he was in DF is leagues more impressive then defeating Ezel, arguably the second or third weakest demon. Its simply no contest. She could have done what she did to Kyouka and it still wouldn't have been as impressive as what Natsu did to Mard.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
 
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