Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Demon Hunter]

Dude....are you serious? Holy shit....you placed Igneel-powered Natsu and ACNOLOGIA on the same level? Holy crap that's taking it too far....
Have you...have you seen human Acnologia's feats?

actually, @Axiomus said that Acnologia would kill Natsu the same way he did against God Serena

FDK Natsu couldn't knock down Zeref, and Acnologia is stronger than Zeref. Igneel knocked down Acnologia after 20 minutes of extended combat against Acnoloiga's dragon form. Igneel-powered Natsu might have Igneel's magical power, but he doesn't have Igneel's physical attributes. If he fought Acnologia, Acnologia can probably tear a hole through him the same way he did God Serena. In his dragon form, he might just eat him.

 

[Hermit]

He easily blasted away third strongest spell of Ajeel

Huh? Ajeel never said this was his third strongest spell...dude, no offense but this is what overrating someone means.

proved a match against him.

He didn't...he just landed a punch...by that quota I can say Erza landing a blow on Azir after Bakyll was blown through the ship means she 'proved a match against him'....landing a blow on someone means jack shit in the long run..
If Laxus hadn't shown up everyone there would have lost to Ajeel's Sands of Death..base Natsu is weaker than Ajeel by a fair amount, and Sands of Death isn't even his strongest technique.

t rivals powerwise full powered Laxus.

A diseased Laxus was able to defeat Wahl, while Natsu in the same predicament just barely managed to beat Lessio by going all out....yeah kinda stretching it there honestly

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actually, @Axiomus said that Acnologia would kill Natsu the same way he did against God Serena

And he also said that Igneel powered Natsu is on human Acnologia's level

Igneel-powered Natsu would only be on base Acnologia's level,

 

[Demon Hunter]

And he also said that Igneel powered Natsu is on human Acnologia's level

well, he contradicted himself. Igneel powered Natsu definitely isn't on Human Acnologia's level, especially because Zeref definitely held back against him.

 

[Boomburst]

Huh? Ajeel never said this was his third strongest spell...dude, no offense but this is what overrating someone means.

He didn't...he just landed a punch...by that quota I can say Erza landing a blow on Azir after Bakyll was blown through the ship means she 'proved a match against him'....landing a blow on someone means jack shit in the long run..
If Laxus hadn't shown up everyone there would have lost to Ajeel's Sands of Death..base Natsu is weaker than Ajeel by a fair amount, and Sands of Death isn't even his strongest technique.

A diseased Laxus was able to defeat Wahl, while Natsu in the same predicament just barely managed to beat Lessio by going all out....yeah kinda stretching it there honestly

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And he also said that Igneel powered Natsu is on human Acnologia's level

A diseased Laxus was able to beat Wahl by pulling some random move out of his ass that logically shouldn't have even tickled Wahl yet somehow ended up killing him. :/

 

[Hermit]

One FDK roar

Does he have a roar in FDK? Have we seen anything like this in the manga?
He doesn't even have a roar in FDK so this point already falls flat on its face

Base Natsu was only overwhelmed by Jacob because he was holding back

Solidifying the point further that base Natsu is nowhere near Spriggan level..

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A diseased Laxus was able to beat Wahl by pulling some random move out of his ass that logically shouldn't have even tickled Wahl yet somehow ended up killing him. :/

He was still beaten, I don't see what your point is here...if you're going to start criticizing the writing of the manga then honestly this thread wouldn't even exist in the first place lol

 

[Demon Hunter]

Natsu has FDK Roar

Spoiler: FDK Roar

 

[Boomburst]

Does he have a roar in FDK? Have we seen anything like this in the manga?
He doesn't even have a roar in FDK so this point already falls flat on its face

Solidifying the point further that base Natsu is nowhere near Spriggan level..

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He was still beaten, I don't see what your point is here...if you're going to start criticizing the writing of the manga then honestly this thread wouldn't even exist in the first place lol

Actually yes he does.
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/463/15

When I said holding back I was referring to Natsu lol.

I'm fully aware that he was beaten but because it was such bullshit it makes the feat pretty much illegitimate. Logically Laxus shouldn't have beaten Wahl. It has nothing to do with how strong Laxus is, it has to do with the fact that Wahl is literally immune to Laxus's magic. Under no normal circumstance should Wahl have lost, yet he did. That's why I don't take this feat into consideration.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Yeah, Base Natsu is on Spriggan level, that's why Lessio was overwhelming them in the Guild Hall and Ajeel would have killed him and his crew with Sands of Death, right? Naah man, base Natsu is nowhere near Spriggan level...he can cancel out their weaker techniques like Ant Lion Pit but he loses to the more serious techniques of any Spriggan 12 member

See, there seems to be a confusion with what "Spriggan Tier/Level" actually means. I remember reading a previous post that literally took the words out of my mouth and explained it correctly. I believe it was [B]~Charging Lightning~[/B]. Anyways, here is how I like to think of it.

"Spriggan-Tier" is being anywhere from Neinhart/Jacob's level to August/Eileen's level.

"Spriggan-Level" is a specific place within a Spriggan-Tier like High-Tier, Medium-Tier, Low-Tier.

To refrain from confusion, both of these can be used interchangeably.

So going back to my original point. You don't have to beat somebody to be on their tier. All you need is to at least overwhelm them or come close to beating them. Even a stalemate would be sufficient when classifying someone as being on their level/tier.

As seen with Jacob, he has no attacks that can take out Natsu. Remember Jacob's knives? Natsu defended against it easily.

Spoiler

I already explained why hyped spells like "Transport" isn't good evidence of him being able to beat Natsu. We have no proof on what it actually does. Someone like Marin who has spacial magic isn't even classified as a Spriggan 12 member despite his "hax". All we know is that the people who were trapped inside of Jacob's spell, came out unharmed. Yes, Jacob said he was about to kill them. But how do we know it wasn't a bluff? If you look at the context, this is a possibility. He never revealed he could kill the people inside his "Transport" until Mavis denied telling him where Fairy Heart was. It makes sense that Jacob would come up with an idea like this to make Mavis more willing to tell him. So what feats does Jacob actually have that can take out Natsu besides the overly hyped "Transport"? Nothing.

And just to emphasize on why we can't assume "Transport" would work, do you think it would be able to take down Acnologia?

Now, granted, Base Natsu can't defeat Jacob either due to his high durability. So because neither can defeat each other, I don't see anything wrong with saying they are on the same tier/level.

 

[Demon Hunter]

tbf I already posted why Laxus' lightning effected Wahl which was even explained in Volume 55. its not a power up attack. its bullshit but its still a feat nonetheless. if we are going by bullshit wins then Zancrow vs Natsu is one of them, not to mention LFD mode(looks cool but its stupid imo).

 

[Hermit]

And just to emphasize on why we can't assume "Transport" would work, do you think it would be able to take down Acnologia?

Why is Acnologia relevant in this case? That doesn't support your argument in any way...the fact that Horologium had to save them already shows that yes, Transport would have worked on Natsu if Horologium wasn't there...the only counter for Transport as we know it now is a Spirit Cage

So because neither can defeat each other, I don't see anything wrong with saying they are on the same tier/level.

Not really, Lessio would have killed them at any moment but he needed them to spit out Lumen Histoire's location, he was using them as leverage against Mavis, he even said this when he threw that knife at Lucy that Natsu defended against..

he has no attacks that can take out Natsu.

He's better at CQC than Natsu...there was nothing preventing him from slitting Natsu's throat when he had him under his grip or even snapping his neck except his initial objective, Lumen Histoire....

Remember Jacob's knives? Natsu defended against it easily.

Yes, then he proceeded to beat the living fuck out of them later on with just hand to hand combat and basic weapons like a whip, so no, your point is moot

 

[Boomburst]

Why is Acnologia relevant in this case? That doesn't support your argument in any way...the fact that Horologium had to save them already shows that yes, Transport would have worked on Natsu if Horologium wasn't there...the only counter for Transport as we know it now is a Spirit Cage

Not really, Lessio would have killed them at any moment but he needed them to spit out Lumen Histoire's location, he was using them as leverage against Mavis, he even said this when he threw that knife at Lucy that Natsu defended against..

He's better at CQC than Natsu...there was nothing preventing him from slitting Natsu's throat when he had him under his grip or even snapping his neck except his initial objective, Lumen Histoire....

Yes, then he proceeded to beat the living fuck out of them later on with just hand to hand combat and basic weapons like a whip, so no, your point is moot

As opposed to Natsu who didn't even use magic at all until after that whole fanservice scene? Jacob isn't better at CQC, the only reason he was beating them in that regard was because he could turn invisible and Natsu couldn't tell where he was. Take away Jacob's magic and I'd say they would be about equal in terms of CQC.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Why is Acnologia relevant in this case? That doesn't support your argument in any way...the fact that Horologium had to save them already shows that yes, Transport would have worked on Natsu if Horologium wasn't there...the only counter for Transport as we know it now is a Spirit Cage

Why is Acnologia relevant? I get that same answer from everyone that I challenge. Nobody can give me a definite answer because they know they would lose the case this way. Let's face it. Abilities like Age Seal and Transport cannot be used as concrete evidence because applying those feats from once scenario to another will cause misleading conclusions. Why not just say Dimaria and Jacob are the strongest in the series? Because they aren't.

I never denied that "Transport" doesn't work. It was already shown to work... What I deny is the fact that people claim Jacob can kill them instantly while they are stuck inside. How do we know that the ability doesn't take a lot of time or that Jacob has to actually travel in there himself and defeat them with his own hands? If this was how he actually kills them, then Natsu would still beat him in the end regardless.

Not really, Lessio would have killed them at any moment but he needed them to spit out Lumen Histoire's location, he was using them as leverage against Mavis, he even said this when he threw that knife at Lucy that Natsu defended against..

No, actually it could very well be the opposite. He only revealed that he had the ability to kill those inside his "Tranpsort" after Mavis didn't tell him the location of Fairy Heart. So this can easily be interpreted as a bluff because he was really persistent in obtaining Fairy Heart.

He's better at CQC than Natsu...there was nothing preventing him from slitting Natsu's throat when he had him under his grip or even snapping his neck except his initial objective, Lumen Histoire....

He wasn't much better at CQC though... Natsu held his own for quite a while and was shown to have the upper-hand in the end. So I don't see Jacob defeating Natsu with just mere punches.

Yes, then he proceeded to beat the living fuck out of them later on with just hand to hand combat and basic weapons like a whip, so no, your point is moot

He didn't defeat them. That is all that matters. Not to mention, you can see that Natsu was making a comeback towards the end especially when everyone was out of his way.

 

[Hermit]

the only reason he was beating them in that regard was because he could turn invisible

Yes, because Lessio's magic is Stealth...problem?

Take away Jacob's magic

Why? Handicapping opponents this much just to praise Natsu leaves a bad taste in my mouth...the funny thing is that Natsu was fighting Lessio in CQC for a few minutes before being overwhelmed so no,
Jacob>Natsu in CQC

 

[Boomburst]

Yes, because Lessio's magic is Stealth...problem?

Why? Handicapping opponents this much just to praise Natsu leaves a bad taste in my mouth...the funny thing is that Natsu was fighting Lessio in CQC for a few minutes before being overwhelmed so no,
Jacob>Natsu in CQC

You're not getting my point. You said that Jacob was beating them with CQC and basic weapons alone. Obviously that isn't the case since you yourself admitted he was using Stealth during their fight. Therefore this isn't a fair representation of their CQC skills. The reason I took away Jacobs magic was because I was only comparing their CQC abilities, nothing more.

 

[Hermit]

Why is Acnologia relevant? I get that same answer from everyone that I challenge. Nobody can give me a definite answer because they know they would lose the case this way.

Or you know, Acnologia has a counter for each magic in the series minus Universe One, that's why he was surprised it was a magic he did not know of, so Acnologia pretty much counters Transport and Age Seal via means of his own...problem?

Natsu held his own for quite a while and was shown to have the upper-hand in the end.

Lol no, he only got the upper hand because Makarov helped out and Lessio wasn't in a position to defend himself...so no, Natsu was losing to Lessio in CQC..

you can see that Natsu was making a comeback towards the end.

What comeback is this?

 

[Demon Hunter]

while I do agree that base Natsu cannot beat Jacob without FDK spells, Jacob also cannot beat Natsu. Jacob' firepower is shit imo. his weapons are useless against Natsu and damage of his punches and kicks are lower than Lucy' lol. imo Jacob is the weakest Spriggan out there when it comes to dealing damage.

I don't downplay Natsu, even though I don't like his character much but Jacob definitely cannot beat base Natsu. he can use Transport for instant win but it remains to be seen if he can kill him inside that dimension.

Wahl, Ajeel and God Serena can definitely put up far better fight against Natsu in either base or FDK. heck, some of them might even win.

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as @XXEliteXXAceXX said, you don't have to beat a Spriggan to be a none existent Spriggan level. Mirajane, Kagura, Minerva, Sting, Rogue can definitely fight some Spriggans.

Mirajane can probably beat Ajeel and Jacob would have been demolished by her if his Transport is restricted. Kagura can put up a good fight against Wahl(she effortlessly destroyed his missiles) and she might even win (she can demolish Jacob). Minerva is around Kagura' level so she would put up a fight against fully powered Wahl (she can also demolish Jacob). Sting and Rogue can probably beat Brandman(Sting's holy based powers and Rogue's shadow are counter for him, not 100% sure on shadow) but they can definitely beat Jacob. in fact, everyone can beat Jacob and Neinhart.

people are just going on for villains hype and they forget that Mirajane and others were around the main characters tier except Sting and Rogue.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Or you know, Acnologia has a counter for each magic in the series minus Universe One, that's why he was surprised it was a magic he did not know of, so Acnologia pretty much counters Transport and Age Seal via means of his own...problem?

Don't remember the manga ever stating that Acnologia has a counter for every magic.

Lol no, he only got the upper hand because Makarov helped out and Lessio wasn't in a position to defend himself...so no, Natsu was losing to Lessio in CQC..

What comeback is this?

I was talking about this.

Spoiler

If you're talking about the part where Jacob was beating Natsu with Stealth, then you would have to account for Natsu's magic which he didn't use during the course of that fight.

Like [B]Daniel9dsi[/B], I was under the impression that you were ONLY comparing their CQC abilities.

Look, you can have the last word. I'm not here to overrate Natsu like some others. Rather, I am defending him of the feats that he is being denied of. It is clear that Natsu is being downplayed here...

 

[Woodenstool]

while I do agree that base Natsu cannot beat Jacob without FDK spells, Jacob also cannot beat Natsu. Jacob' firepower is shit imo. his weapons are useless against Natsu and damage of his punches and kicks are lower than Lucy' lol. imo Jacob is the weakest Spriggan out there when it comes to dealing damage.

I don't downplay Natsu, even though I don't like his character much but Jacob definitely cannot beat base Natsu. he can use Transport for instant win but it remains to be seen if he can kill him inside that dimension.

Wahl, Ajeel and God Serena can definitely put up far better fight against Natsu in either base or FDK. heck, some of them might even win.

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as @XXEliteXXAceXX said, you don't have to beat a Spriggan to be a none existent Spriggan level. Mirajane, Kagura, Minerva, Sting, Rogue can definitely fight some Spriggans.

Mirajane can probably beat Ajeel and Jacob would have been demolished by her if his Transport is restricted. Kagura can put up a good fight against Wahl(she effortlessly destroyed his missiles) and she might even win (she can demolish Jacob). Minerva is around Kagura' level so she would put up a fight against fully powered Wahl (she can also demolish Jacob). Sting and Rogue can probably beat Brandman(Sting's holy based powers and Rogue's shadow are counter for him, not 100% sure on shadow) but they can definitely beat Jacob. in fact, everyone can beat Jacob and Neinhart.

people are just going on for villains hype and they forget that Mirajane and others were around the main characters tier except Sting and Rogue.

Natsu was getting his ass beat from Jacob.

 

[Spirit]

Natsu was getting his ass beat from Jacob.

Why are people so surprised that Natsu pulled a BS victory from his fight with Jacob? Hell, why are you even concerned about power levels anyway? This isn't 2008, or Facebook. People don't fight over power levels anymore

 

[Boomburst]

Why are people so surprised that Natsu pulled a BS victory from his fight with Jacob? Hell, why are you even concerned about power levels anyway? This isn't 2008, or Facebook. People don't fight over power levels anymore

If you had bothered to actually read the discussion we were having you would know that no one is talking about how Natsu beat Jacob. And if you don't care about power levels why are you here on a power ranking thread?