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August spells aren't mountain level. Read above, he would blitz him.

GS cave magic doesnt top Gildarts falling.
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Ice trail is cannon, I've used less than 10 feats.
Gildarts punching someone through an impregnable prison, sending him flying for miles without a sweat.
Poof speed AKA FTE
Dodging hundreds of lasers that move at light speed "He smashed the light" Light, he smashed light.
13 punches in an instant

Ice trail is cannon and so is KoTsh. And if so these didn't exist, Gildarts still has amazing speed feats. He blitz bluenote with mountain busting punch with ease.

Y'know, don't feel like you are correct because you have people liking your post. It petty.
Moving at the speed of light... and he dodged them... heh, not sure what's funnier, the mangaka or some of its deluded fans. Did mashima state those other Ft manga are canon? And if so, prove it with a link to an interview or the like.

What does me getting likes have to do with me stating my opinions? If I even cared for likes I'd always post opinions that others share for cheap, fake Internet points lmao not to mention all the likes came from a post regarding the inanity of trying to gauge power levels on a manga made by Mashima-deus-ex-machina-Hiro. The dude just writes strength as he pleases regardless of logic. Friendship trumps logic in ft which is true
 

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August spells aren't mountain level. Read above, he would blitz him.

GS cave magic doesnt top Gildarts falling.
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Ice trail is cannon, I've used less than 10 feats.
Gildarts punching someone through an impregnable prison, sending him flying for miles without a sweat.
Poof speed AKA FTE
Dodging hundreds of lasers that move at light speed "He smashed the light" Light, he smashed light.
13 punches in an instant

Ice trail is cannon and so is KoTsh. And if so these didn't exist, Gildarts still has amazing speed feats. He blitz bluenote with mountain busting punch with ease.

Y'know, don't feel like you are correct because you have people liking your post. It petty.
August's spells aren't mountain level? I have to agree, they're above that. And especially what you're labeling as a mountain, which really is nothing more than a hill. And Gildarts, blitz Serena? I have to doubt that. As you can see, the Serena Historia and Gildarts moved pretty evenly, but the real Serena wouldn't be limited to what Neinhart can produce magic-wise, so I'd say Serena could be even faster than that and get the jump on Gildarts.

As for God Serena's cavern dragon magic, its still got magic running through it which breaks the ground up and that is going to effect Gildarts like it did against the GoI which you can see here:
I'd say that from this, its pretty clear that Gildarts would get hit hard from it. It wouldn't be enough to drop him but it is still a decent enough attack that would do some damage.

Again, unless its been stated by Hiro Mashima himself, a spin-off like Ice Trail is not canon. I've seen nothing confirming its canonicity, and seeing it is written by another author that doesn't help what you're claiming. Of course, if there is an official statement confirming its canonicity, please show us because without it being canon, we really shouldn't consider anything thats happened outside of the actual manga, and thats what we're working with here: The actual manga, because it is the prime source for canon material. KotSH is semi-canon, Mashima worked on it and it got a nod in the manga, but anything that happened in the anime is not 100% certain to have happened in the manga, as it has not been seen in it.
 

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I think what Gildarts meant in that statement was that the magic power he was sensing from Historia GS was too faint and weak to be that of a living being.
That's basically the point.

Gildartz didn't judge God Serena based off of his MP.

Historia God Serena possessed the MP of a mosquito. Gildartz wouldn't call a mosquito MP on par with himself.

Gildartz had no idea what Historia God Serena's MP was. That means he can't even predict or guess what the real God Serena MP is like if he doesn't know the Historia's MP.

Gildartz said God Serena was a formidable opponent purely off his rank and background.

Gildartz can't call a mosquito MP formidable.

In other words, Gildartz didn't sense any formidable MP, he just said it because he was giving Serena the benefit of the doubt
 

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August's spells aren't mountain level? I have to agree, they're above that. And especially what you're labeling as a mountain, which really is nothing more than a hill. And Gildarts, blitz Serena? I have to doubt that. As you can see, the Serena Historia and Gildarts moved pretty evenly, but the real Serena wouldn't be limited to what Neinhart can produce magic-wise, so I'd say Serena could be even faster than that and get the jump on Gildarts.

As for God Serena's cavern dragon magic, its still got magic running through it which breaks the ground up and that is going to effect Gildarts like it did against the GoI which you can see here:
I'd say that from this, its pretty clear that Gildarts would get hit hard from it. It wouldn't be enough to drop him but it is still a decent enough attack that would do some damage.

Again, unless its been stated by Hiro Mashima himself, a spin-off like Ice Trail is not canon. I've seen nothing confirming its canonicity, and seeing it is written by another author that doesn't help what you're claiming. Of course, if there is an official statement confirming its canonicity, please show us because without it being canon, we really shouldn't consider anything thats happened outside of the actual manga, and thats what we're working with here: The actual manga, because it is the prime source for canon material. KotSH is semi-canon, Mashima worked on it and it got a nod in the manga, but anything that happened in the anime is not 100% certain to have happened in the manga, as it has not been seen in it.
You of all people should know its cannon, don't you hang out at Reddit most of the time?

https://www.reddit.com/r/fairytail/comments/53lgcj/discussion_is_ice_trail_and_kotsh_cannon/

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/497/13
His casual, unnamed attack has more destruction compared to what Serena did, mind you God Serena was pissed.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/470/9
God Serena's attack aftermath, the picture above you posted is a close up. You can see some of the GOI on the floating rocks.

Edit* Why are you using Japanese scans, the drawings aren't that detailed compared to ones on Mangastream and panda.
 

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You of all people should know its cannon, don't you hang out at Reddit most of the time?

https://www.reddit.com/r/fairytail/comments/53lgcj/discussion_is_ice_trail_and_kotsh_cannon/

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/497/13
His casual, unnamed attack has more destruction compared to what Serena did, mind you God Serena was pissed.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/470/9
God Serena's attack aftermath, the picture above you posted is a close up. You can see some of the GOI on the floating rocks.

Edit* Why are you using Japanese scans, the drawings aren't that detailed compared to ones on Mangastream and panda.
Now now, just because something has been said on Reddit doesn't mean its true, but as for the top reply to your reddit thread done by @Ajuaju I have to agree with him. They aren't really canon and they contradict the actual manga at times. There isn't a lot of weight behind them for you to really use them as valid points, and without confirmation of Ice Trail especially being canon, that makes it unreliable as a source for your Gildarts feats you mention so much.

Also that is the Crunchyroll Version, which uses Kodansha translations. I.e it is 100% official and therefore better than anything Mangastream and Mangapanda (which are both full of translational inconsistencies).
 

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Now now, just because something has been said on Reddit doesn't mean its true, but as for the top reply to your reddit thread done by @Ajuaju I have to agree with him. They aren't really canon and they contradict the actual manga at times. There isn't a lot of weight behind them for you to really use them as valid points, and without confirmation of Ice Trail especially being canon, that makes it unreliable as a source for your Gildarts feats you mention so much.

Also that is the Crunchyroll Version, which uses Kodansha translations. I.e it is 100% official and therefore better than anything Mangastream and Mangapanda (which are both full of translational inconsistencies).
Mashima seems to have acknowledged them but that guy has as much clout over ft (despite being its creator) as a random fanfic writer, he acknowledges works with continuity errors when meshed with FT (main story) and even has created inconsistencies of his own. I'd trust his words on FT about as much as akira toriyama with db, dbz and dbs
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They can't keep their stories straight anymore. Funny how mashima idolized akira toriyama so much that he even fucked up his story's own history just like he did
 

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In conclusion, to say who has more AoE: Gildartz or Irene?
The answer is subjective as Irene hasn't shown her full power, but neither has Glidartz. By facts, yeah, I guess you're right, Glidartz has hill busting feats whereas Irene hasn't shown any impressive AoE damaging technique (her attacks must necessarily be above mountain level, though, preceding her hype).


I'm not going to lie here... but all this talk about "mountain busting feats, town level feats, city level feats, etc." is starting to get really annoying.

This has been said over and over again, and I've seen some people argue against this faulted logic.

I don't know how many times I've stressed this, but those calculations are completely meaningless to me.

I'd rather use hype and portrayal to measure a character's strength/power than those calculations.


Long story short, there is no way of measuring damage and megatonnes through your computer screen's pixels and a real life photograph of a mountain.


I've analyzed the calculations before:

It is borderline absurd in my opinion to guess the height, width, and dimensions of a drawn panel and calculate the energy and explosiveness of an attack.

Not only is there a lot of guesswork involve, but the "original creators of those calculations" don't even have any concept about the way TNT works and the units they are using.

Their conversions are sloppy in my opinion and they have no credible foundation to the basis of their conversions and calculations.


If you want to measure Gildartz and August's feats through these calculations, then by all means, go ahead.

But I'll let you know right now that none of that will convince me.
You are very well right. The author does not take into account the size of the mountain meter by meter in order for us to gauge the power of the user who destroyed such mountain; but a panel with a drawing, and our interpretation capabilities, allow us to infer whether we're talking of a hill or a mountain. There's a lot of discussion around whether Glidartz actually bust a hill or a mountain, since the fandom is kind of divided, I appreciate calculations that allow us to gauge whether we are talking of a hill or a mountain. I'm no talking about fan-based calculations of megatons, that'd be absurd. After all, whether a mountain or a hill, Glidartz did no more than fragment it, not bust it like a nuke would.

IMO, August's feat was far more impressive than Glidartz's. Not only in terms of AoE it looked an attack of higher caliber, but an ascendent pillar of lava, nuke-like, of the size of a hill/mountain, carries more DC than a punch capable to fragment a hill/mountain.

What happened to all of you guys that argued by "feats only"?

I just don't think it's sound to argue by feats any longer. A thread like this will always involve some degree of portrayal and hype, since we're debating hypothetical battles... Besides, we're debating hypothetical battles of characters who haven't shown their full power yet. So sound guessing will always be required if we want to compare the likes of August to the likes of Glidartz.

As much as it is sound to think August is weeeeell above Glidartz, there'll always be people led by illogical patterns that will claim otherwise. Illogical to me, ofc.

The person with the better feats at the moment is Gildartz, no question about it.

I have to disagree here. What did Alvarez arc GLidartz show? A town busting punch to the floor and being capable of easy-mid diffing a historia. Whereas Glidartz was stabbed by a giant knife, he withstood the blade like nothing, put Brandish to sleep and proceeded to bust a nuke that was seen from dozens/hundreds(?) of km away. Such an attack should've deintegrated them had it not been for U1. Yes, Natsu included, probably; as he only partially negated the attack, and he did so for a very short period of time until U1 was effective.

Even if such nuke did not impress you, which may be well acceptable (after all we're debating opinions here...), I don't think Glidartz has the ability to null diff a spriggan like Brandish, like August would.

The way Invel and Brandish performed was nowhere near to what we all expected from them.

IMO Invel performed as expected, it was Gray who didn't abide by expectations. He was so much boosted, irrationally... Also, Brandish did fine. I mean she can instakill (it's been stated) and she was only toying with Lucy. It was to be expected Dimaria was above Brandish (and even so, that's an assumption, as Brandish didn't have the will to fight her).

All in all, anyone who talks about Glidartz, Irene, August or a plausible vs between them is gonna be using hype and portrayal, because when it comes to feats, they don't have many.

On another note, I disagree with your statement that "Glidartz cannot gauge full power Serena's power accurately". IMO Mashima was suggesting that Glidartz had full knowledge that had God Serena been 100%, he would've seriously posed a threat to him; so his suggestion was a 50/50. Which makes a lot of sense if you ask me.
 

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Yeah, I see where you are coming from.

Gildartz saying that God Serena is formidable is quite true. He is stronger than 80% of wizards we know of and eliminated the other 3 GoI with ease.

It just so happens that I don't think that correlates to God Serena being on par with Gildartz.

Unless Gildartz says something along the lines of "I would have a hard time against him" or "He'd be a difficult opponent for even me", then I don't think the statement is enough to say God Serena is on par with Gildartz himself.


Again, Gildartz doesn't even know how strong historia God Serena is.

He's not basing his statement on God Serena's power.

He's purely guessing based on God Serena's rank and background.

Gildartz literally has nothing to go off of in terms of MP because like I said, the dead doesn't give off MP.
Well we see when Gilly fights a Spriggan.He will either fight August,Larcade or Irene.And Irene got praise from Acnologia which no other human mage got other than Zeref.If he faces Larcade he will probably die.
 

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Irene's AoE is most definitely above Gildarts - and every other person including August. She's got a whole country as evidence (minimum distance of 2000km across). She was able to change a landscapes weather rather easily.

If we're talking AoE of 'destruction', then Gildarts has the better feat. But if Irene knows any type of destructive magic, then she'll easily usurp Gildarts' feats because her enchantment AoE is country-level.

I still don't know how damaging Irene will be in combat with her powers, but it'd be severely disappointing if she's not at least comparable to the likes of Gildarts or Natsu when it comes to attack power. I still think August will be the better fighter but not by much.

Gildarts punches might be able to crush a mountain, but when they hit a person who is strong there is no such crushing. His punches would probably be like Laxus'. Gildarts magic can crack objects and landscapes better than anyone - but that shouldn't be confused with his punches > anyone. Gildarts magic can't freeze anything, or melt anything - yet we don't hold that against him when comparing him to Gray or Natsu... because freezing/melting is what their respective magics do.
 
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Irene's AoE is most definitely above Gildarts - and every other person including August. She's got a whole continent as evidence (minimum distance of 2000km across). She was able to change a landscapes weather rather easily.

If we're talking AoE of 'destruction', then Gildarts has the better feat. But if Irene knows any type of destructive magic, then she'll easily usurp Gildarts' feats because her enchantment AoE is continent-level.

I still don't know how damaging Irene will be in combat with her powers, but it'd be severely disappointing if she's not at least comparable to the likes of Gildarts or Natsu when it comes to attack power. I still think August will be the better fighter but not by much.

Gildarts punches might be able to crush a mountain, but when they hit a person who is strong there is no such crushing. His punches would probably be like Laxus'. Gildarts magic can crack objects and landscapes better than anyone - but that shouldn't be confused with his punches > anyone. Gildarts magic can't freeze anything, or melt anything - yet we don't hold that against him when comparing him to Gray or Natsu... because freezing/melting is what their respective magics do.
One thing I'd like to point out is that her enchantment AoE is not continent-level but rather country level as she only altered Fiore.
 

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One thing I'd like to point out is that her enchantment AoE is not continent-level but rather country level as she only altered Fiore.
Oh sorry I will amend that :) Dragons flying is probably the only continent level thing... and maybe Acnologia because he needs a continent to attempt to beat him.

I don't usually use country-level and the like...
 

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On another note, I disagree with your statement that "Glidartz cannot gauge full power Serena's power accurately". IMO Mashima was suggesting that Glidartz had full knowledge that had God Serena been 100%, he would've seriously posed a threat to him; so his suggestion was a 50/50. Which makes a lot of sense if you ask me.
Well, this is where we disagree then.

I don't think there is a way for Gildartz to gauge Serena's full power if he doesn't even know the MP of the historia.

Gildartz never met Serena, so if he can't even sense the MP of Serena's historia, how is he going to gauge the power of the real Serena?

All Gildartz implied throughout the whole battle is that God Serena is a formidable opponent, which is nothing less than true.

Gildartz never bluntly stated that God Serena would pose a threat to him.

Gildartz wonders who would win between them because he's never met God Serena. Not because God Serena is strong.
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If we're talking AoE of 'destruction', then Gildarts has the better feat. But if Irene knows any type of destructive magic, then she'll easily usurp Gildarts' feats because her enchantment AoE is country-level.
That's the key word.

IF Irene knows any type of destructive magic.

As of now, she hasn't shown it, so we don't count it.


If you really want, I can agree that Irene has more AoE. But will that correlate to Irene > Gildartz?

No, because AoE is useless unless you actually deal damage above zero.



I wouldn't assume stuff for Irene in case she turns out to be a disappointment.

The way you guys debated in the tournament contradicts how you powerscale here.

You guys literally set this rule up, not me (I was against it the whole time, but you guys wanted to use this):

Characters lacking feats will be inferior to those with better feats until proven otherwise (aka until the character shows more feats).

That's how Gildartz, Mirajane, and Gray were eliminated so quick in the tournament.
 

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If you really want, I can agree that Irene has more AoE. But will that correlate to Irene > Gildartz?

No, because AoE is useless unless you actually deal damage above zero.
I agree damage is the most important. It doesn't even need much AoE, just as long as you can make a hit, that's usually more important. Warrod made a 2000km tree - but he's below Gildarts in battle by a fair way.

Irene used an enchant in combat to wedge then push back Acnologia. It didn't do any damage to him admittedly, but his durability is insane. Her combat ability was acknowledged by him, and that for me is enough to say she's above Gildarts (or Natsu, Laxus, Jellal etc) for now. We'll know for sure when she's beaten.
 

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Irene's AoE is most definitely above Gildarts - and every other person including August. She's got a whole country as evidence (minimum distance of 2000km across). She was able to change a landscapes weather rather easily.

If we're talking AoE of 'destruction', then Gildarts has the better feat. But if Irene knows any type of destructive magic, then she'll easily usurp Gildarts' feats because her enchantment AoE is country-level.

I still don't know how damaging Irene will be in combat with her powers, but it'd be severely disappointing if she's not at least comparable to the likes of Gildarts or Natsu when it comes to attack power. I still think August will be the better fighter but not by much.

Gildarts punches might be able to crush a mountain, but when they hit a person who is strong there is no such crushing. His punches would probably be like Laxus'. Gildarts magic can crack objects and landscapes better than anyone - but that shouldn't be confused with his punches > anyone. Gildarts magic can't freeze anything, or melt anything - yet we don't hold that against him when comparing him to Gray or Natsu... because freezing/melting is what their respective magics do.
Lol, you expect to Hiro have Gildarts busting holes through people? No one dies in Fairy tail.
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The answer is subjective as Irene hasn't shown her full power, but neither has Glidartz. By facts, yeah, I guess you're right, Glidartz has hill busting feats whereas Irene hasn't shown any impressive AoE damaging technique (her attacks must necessarily be above mountain level, though, preceding her hype).




You are very well right. The author does not take into account the size of the mountain meter by meter in order for us to gauge the power of the user who destroyed such mountain; but a panel with a drawing, and our interpretation capabilities, allow us to infer whether we're talking of a hill or a mountain. There's a lot of discussion around whether Glidartz actually bust a hill or a mountain, since the fandom is kind of divided, I appreciate calculations that allow us to gauge whether we are talking of a hill or a mountain. I'm no talking about fan-based calculations of megatons, that'd be absurd. After all, whether a mountain or a hill, Glidartz did no more than fragment it, not bust it like a nuke would.

IMO, August's feat was far more impressive than Glidartz's. Not only in terms of AoE it looked an attack of higher caliber, but an ascendent pillar of lava, nuke-like, of the size of a hill/mountain, carries more DC than a punch capable to fragment a hill/mountain.



I just don't think it's sound to argue by feats any longer. A thread like this will always involve some degree of portrayal and hype, since we're debating hypothetical battles... Besides, we're debating hypothetical battles of characters who haven't shown their full power yet. So sound guessing will always be required if we want to compare the likes of August to the likes of Glidartz.

As much as it is sound to think August is weeeeell above Glidartz, there'll always be people led by illogical patterns that will claim otherwise. Illogical to me, ofc.



I have to disagree here. What did Alvarez arc GLidartz show? A town busting punch to the floor and being capable of easy-mid diffing a historia. Whereas Glidartz was stabbed by a giant knife, he withstood the blade like nothing, put Brandish to sleep and proceeded to bust a nuke that was seen from dozens/hundreds(?) of km away. Such an attack should've deintegrated them had it not been for U1. Yes, Natsu included, probably; as he only partially negated the attack, and he did so for a very short period of time until U1 was effective.

Even if such nuke did not impress you, which may be well acceptable (after all we're debating opinions here...), I don't think Glidartz has the ability to null diff a spriggan like Brandish, like August would.



IMO Invel performed as expected, it was Gray who didn't abide by expectations. He was so much boosted, irrationally... Also, Brandish did fine. I mean she can instakill (it's been stated) and she was only toying with Lucy. It was to be expected Dimaria was above Brandish (and even so, that's an assumption, as Brandish didn't have the will to fight her).

All in all, anyone who talks about Glidartz, Irene, August or a plausible vs between them is gonna be using hype and portrayal, because when it comes to feats, they don't have many.

On another note, I disagree with your statement that "Glidartz cannot gauge full power Serena's power accurately". IMO Mashima was suggesting that Glidartz had full knowledge that had God Serena been 100%, he would've seriously posed a threat to him; so his suggestion was a 50/50. Which makes a lot of sense if you ask me.
No, its diff a mountain.
 

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Lol, you expect to Hiro have Gildarts busting holes through people? No one dies in Fairy tail.
Maybe doing some hefty damage would suffice. But his punches - in battle - aren't busting people like he does mountains.

Point is his magic cuts through objects with ease, but that doesn't translate to people damage. Likewise someone who can't destroy a mountain with a punch could deal similar damage to a person.
 

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Well, August going full power doesn't necessarily prove anything.

We would need Gildartz to also go full power because neither Gildartz nor August have even come close to being remotely serious.

The reason why this argument is such a heated debate is because we have 2 sides that are hyping their characters to no bounds.

One side says Gildartz is invincible and the other side says August makes everybody else look like fodder.


If you guys would just admit that both of them lack major feats and that they are potentially on par with one another until further shown, then it wouldn't have been a big deal.

Instead of clinging to your positions for dear life, it's not unreasonable to put them at or around the same level.
 

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To be honest I'm not seeing why some people here are putting Gildarts anywhere near the same level as Irene or August, both have demonstrated their strength and appear to be ahead of Gildarts by a fair margin. August's "Dissolve into Oblivion" nuke is way ahead of anything Gildarts has shown, his heat damaged Natsu of all people. And Irene's been complimented by Acnologia, the same Acnologia that destroyed Gildarts and left him for dead.

Gildarts is not on their level going by current feats, enough said.
 

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Well, this is where we disagree then.

I don't think there is a way for Gildartz to gauge Serena's full power if he doesn't even know the MP of the historia.

Gildartz never met Serena, so if he can't even sense the MP of Serena's historia, how is he going to gauge the power of the real Serena?

All Gildartz implied throughout the whole battle is that God Serena is a formidable opponent, which is nothing less than true.

Gildartz never bluntly stated that God Serena would pose a threat to him.

Gildartz wonders who would win between them because he's never met God Serena. Not because God Serena is strong.
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That's the key word.

IF Irene knows any type of destructive magic.

As of now, she hasn't shown it, so we don't count it.


If you really want, I can agree that Irene has more AoE. But will that correlate to Irene > Gildartz?

No, because AoE is useless unless you actually deal damage above zero.



I wouldn't assume stuff for Irene in case she turns out to be a disappointment.

The way you guys debated in the tournament contradicts how you powerscale here.

You guys literally set this rule up, not me (I was against it the whole time, but you guys wanted to use this):

Characters lacking feats will be inferior to those with better feats until proven otherwise (aka until the character shows more feats).

That's how Gildartz, Mirajane, and Gray were eliminated so quick in the tournament.
Do you not understand that the rule you've provided contradicts itself though? If a character lacks feats then how can you claim that the feats of another character are better? There's no comparison that can be made.
 

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Honestly ? I put gildarts on the same level as god Serena(not in his historia form of course..) by hype august should be above him..
 
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