Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Arjuna]

Um, thats why their equals? They both got powerups in the middle of the fight and at the end of the fight none of them could even move anymore, that's showing that their equals already

How? Far from full strength, he had just come from fighting an opponent who was primarily using fire in his attacks, so that was like a free power up for him, Aria didn't even fight Natsu for that long.
Gajeel had fought Loke beforehand

Uh, when? They were fighting on par man, no one was besting anyone until Gajeel ate Iron

No.please see the fight again.After fighting Aria Natsu was injured.You can see the marks on his body.And Loke was defeated by one of his subordinates.And even after eating irons Natsu managed to crack him without eating fire.Natsu was clearly the dominant one before he ate iron.And when he ate fire he completely beat him.Proving Natsu>Gajeel.

 

[Hermit]

I don't seem to remember him even using any fire attacks for Natsu to eat.

Natsu ate Cold Fire and Orange Fire from him, you forgot him remarking on how weird his fire was...as far as things went the fight with Totomaru had no effect on Natsu whatsoever

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They have been equals, Gajeel just had an advantage in battle by eating scrape metal until natsu ate Lucy's explosion. Then really natsu was able to push out a bit more because the nakama guild building fell.
While Gajeel didn't care as much

 

[Boomburst]

Natsu ate Cold Fire and Orange Fire from him, you forgot him remarking on how weird his fire was...as far as things went the fight with Totomaru had no effect on Natsu whatsoever

I went back and looked at the battle and while he did eat the cold fire, I'm pretty sure the orange fire did more harm to him than good. Not to mention the fact that Natsu had to take multiple Fire Dragon fists straight to the face.

And of course Gajeel cared. We saw how prideful he was back then, we saw how much losing to Natsu pissed him off. Wouldnt make much sense for him to not care as much about winning.

 

[Arjuna]

From the start of the series Gray and Natsu was always potrayed as equals but not Gajeel who was potrayed weaker than him.Phantom lord arc established this.And then Natsu trained for 10 months and Gajeel wasted his time in council duties.The gap has only increased.

 

[Static]

First of all, why are we using Phantom Lord feats for Alvarez arc when in fact the power creep has been massive? .-.

FDKM Natsu is not superior to DF Gajeel, that doesn't even make any sense based on what the manga shows. Natsu and Gajeel have always portrayed to be equals, and DF is stated to be the most powerful power-up a Dragon Slayer can receive. So yeah, based on these facts it seems pretty obvious that DF Gajeel is > FDKM Natsu. And just like @Emperor Spriggan stated, FDKM Natsu used his full power to defeat a low durability Spriggan while DF Gajeel only used his fists to defeat a high durability Spriggan.



Natsu's attack power is not above Gajeel's, that's baseless. Gajeel's Iron Shadow Dragon Roar is without a doubt equal to Natsu's most offensive spell. Natsu = Gajeel and that's a fact.

Also ISD > LFD since ISD is extremely hax.

So yeah everything you said was wrong and was nothing more than the way you want things to be.

"and DF is stated to be the most powerful power-up a Dragon Slayer can receive"

1) Yeah, that's true but based on what are you saying that the form Gajeel received was DF? There's no confirmation and on the other hand, it was implied to be something - a form that allowed Gajeel to hit Bradman because he absorbed the miniscule iron present in the MBPs (still can't get over this bullshit asspull)

2) A high durability Spriggan? Based on what? Intangibility /=/ Durability. Once JBIM Gajeel passed through Bradman's intangibility, he low-diffed him but that doesn't give us any idea of his durability.

3) No, its not. FDKM's Demolition Fist has shown feats that are far above Iron Shadow Dragon Roar, like utterly destroying Jacob and completely devastating the landscape. I don't recall Gajeel using Iron Shadow Dragon Roar to defeat a Spriggan, he just used it stalemate Bradman's Ice Devil Slayer's roar.

4) Idk about that.

 

[Woodenstool]

Ok I'm sorry but everything you've said is completely baseless. Natsu has always been equal to Gajeel? He BEAT him during one of the very first arcs of the series. Natsu spent the whole time skip training while Gajeel dicked around in the Magic Council with Levy. What evidence is there that Gajeel improved just as much as Natsu did?

ISD Roar is equal to Natsu's most offensive spell? BASED ON WHAT?

Gajeel may have been able to turn into shadows when he first got ISDM but I highly doubt he still can. Natsu was able to use pure lightning attacks when he first got LFDM yet now he can't.

I'm pretty sure the timeskip was meant for everyone to grow stronger. Natsu wouldn't be the only one to get stronger, it wouldn't make sense.

Natsu' roar
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/497/15

Gajeel' roar
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/487/14

 

[Static]

I'm pretty sure the timeskip was meant for everyone to grow stronger. Natsu wouldn't be the only one to get stronger, it wouldn't make sense.

Natsu' roar
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/497/15

Gajeel' roar
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/487/14

Natsu's strongest roar yet :

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/463/15

Keep in mind this was in base mode.

 

[Arjuna]

Keep in mind Igneels power was inside him.

He didn't use Igneel's power before Chapter 464.It's a one time usage.He can't use it whenever he likes.When he opened that bandage it was an indication that he was going to use Igneel's power.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Why are people overrating Mirajane? Like seriously how is she on Erza's level when she doesn't have the feats. How does taking out 2 henchman make Mirajane Erza level and some people even claim Spriggan level. Mirajane has low magical power as she always runs out super quick, low durability as 1 nuke from Sayla knocked her out her Sitri form, and her attack power isn't even that high. I am beyond annoyed with the overrating of Mirajane it is becoming ridiculous. She isn't Erza level, Kagura's level or even Minerva's level.

Also why are people saying Nienheart is weaker than Bradman? Nienheart can summon all the demons Bradman has a curse for and more. He can summon Keith, marde Geer, Sayla, Kyouka, Silver, Jackal, Tempesta, Ezel, etc. Also how does he have horrible durability when the only attacks that took him out was an enhanced version of Grand Chariot and a FDKM punch from Natsu? Natsu also one shotted Bluenote and The war god doesn't mean he have low durability.

 

[Arjuna]

The power is in his body, he can draw from it.

No he can't do like that.If he draws it then this power will vanish instantly.Natsu mentioned it in the earlier chapters that he was going to use it against Zeref only and he can use it only once.The Draconian Tatoo was the indication of it.

 

[Static]

Why are people overrating Mirajane? Like seriously how is she on Erza's level when she doesn't have the feats. How does taking out 2 henchman make Mirajane Erza level and some people even claim Spriggan level. Mirajane has low magical power as she always runs out super quick, low durability as 1 nuke from Sayla knocked her out her Sitri form, and her attack power isn't even that high. I am beyond annoyed with the overrating of Mirajane it is becoming ridiculous. She isn't Erza level, Kagura's level or even Minerva's level.

Also why are people saying Nienheart is weaker than Bradman? Nienheart can summon all the demons Bradman has a curse for and more. He can summon Keith, marde Geer, Sayla, Kyouka, Silver, Jackal, Tempesta, Ezel, etc. Also how does he have horrible durability when the only attacks that took him out was an enhanced version of Grand Chariot and a FDKM punch from Natsu? Natsu also one shotted Bluenote and The war god doesn't mean he have low durability.

Natsu was being casual and he was in base mode.

As for Neinhart being weaker than Bradman : Bradman has all of the curses of the 9DGs plus Mard Geer plus his own in one competent body. Not to mention, his curse power (equivalent to magic power) is also higher than the demons' which means his curses will be more effective / powerful and possesses a body which cannot be hit by physical attacks, no matter what. Whereas, Neinhart can call forth the power of the demons in some incompetent bodies only. Let's not forget Neinhart has shit stats. His magic power and magical ability is the only good thing about him.

The power is in his body, he can draw from it.

No, he can't do that. There's no single implication about it in the manga. Natsu stated it himself he can only use it once and once released, it cannot be drawn back into the body again. Also, had he used Igneel's power before, people would've felt the massive magical power just like Zeref did. But they didn't. Why? Because he never used it before.

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Lol, enhanced. No proof. All bullshit.

His magic power was enhanced. We have clear proof of Irene doing it and Neinhart and Brandish saying it themselves.
Only his magic power though, nothing else.

 

[Boomburst]

Natsu was being casual and he was in base mode.

As for Neinhart being weaker than Bradman : Bradman has all of the curses of the 9DGs plus Mard Geer plus his own in one competent body. Not to mention, his curse power (equivalent to magic power) is also higher than the demons' which means his curses will be more effective / powerful and possesses a body which cannot be hit by physical attacks, no matter what. Whereas, Neinhart can call forth the power of the demons in some incompetent bodies only. Let's not forget Neinhart has shit stats. His magic power and magical ability is the only good thing about him.



No, he can't do that. There's no single implication about it in the manga. Natsu stated it himself he can only use it once and once released, it cannot be drawn back into the body again. Also, had he used Igneel's power before, people would've felt the massive magical power just like Zeref did. But they didn't. Why? Because he never used it before.

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His magic power was enhanced. We have clear proof of Irene doing it and Neinhart and Brandish saying it themselves.
Only his magic power though, nothing else.

I think she was referring to Grand Chariot being enhanced, not Neinhart.

Completely agree with everything else though.

 

[Static]

I think she was referring to Grand Chariot being enhanced, not Neinhart.

Completely agree with everything else though.

Oh. I still consider that Grand Chariot as an enhanced one though. Jellal took way more charge time than he usually takes for his Grand Chariots and he was even a bit tired after it (proven by him sweating after unleashing the attack on Neinhart).

 

[Woodenstool]

Oh. I still consider that Grand Chariot as an enhanced one though. Jellal took way more charge time than he usually takes for his Grand Chariots and he was even a bit tired after it (proven by him sweating after unleashing the attack on Neinhart).

It's manga, you can't tell.

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Natsu was being casual and he was in base mode.

As for Neinhart being weaker than Bradman : Bradman has all of the curses of the 9DGs plus Mard Geer plus his own in one competent body. Not to mention, his curse power (equivalent to magic power) is also higher than the demons' which means his curses will be more effective / powerful and possesses a body which cannot be hit by physical attacks, no matter what. Whereas, Neinhart can call forth the power of the demons in some incompetent bodies only. Let's not forget Neinhart has shit stats. His magic power and magical ability is the only good thing about him.



No, he can't do that. There's no single implication about it in the manga. Natsu stated it himself he can only use it once and once released, it cannot be drawn back into the body again. Also, had he used Igneel's power before, people would've felt the massive magical power just like Zeref did. But they didn't. Why? Because he never used it before.

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His magic power was enhanced. We have clear proof of Irene doing it and Neinhart and Brandish saying it themselves.
Only his magic power though, nothing else.

He wasn't being casual. He had the intent to demolish him for messing with Brandish. Read his facial expression, he was pissed.

Base mode? Natsu can still use more power in base mode, FDKM doesn't just give Natsu more power out of nowhere. The magic is in his body.

 

[Static]

It's manga, you can't tell.

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He wasn't being casual. He had the intent to demolish him for messing with Brandish. Read his facial expression, he was pissed.

Base mode? That term is retarded. Natsu can still use more power in base mode, FDKM doesn't just give Natsu more power out of nowhere. The magic is in his body.

1) All right.

2) Yes, it does. That's like saying DF doesn't give more magic simply because the magic is already stored in the body -_-.

 

[Woodenstool]

1) All right.

2) Yes, it does. That's like saying DF doesn't give more magic simply because the magic is already stored in the body -_-.

Dragon force doesn't give you, Natsu gains dragons qualities which is why he's stronger.

 

[Static]

Dragon force doesn't give you, Natsu gains dragons qualities which is why he's stronger.

There are forms for a reason. Otherwise, the author wouldn't implement them just like that.
When Natsu goes in FDKM his feats surpass that of his 'base'. That clearly shows there's a difference in power.

 

[Woodenstool]

There are forms for a reason. Otherwise, the author wouldn't implement them just like that.
When Natsu goes in FDKM his feats surpass that of his 'base'. That clearly shows there's a difference in power.

Um ok?
There's a reason why Dragon force last a minute. Gajeel fought Bradman for 2 minutes and wasn't tired out. Once he used DF he was tired out.

That's my proof, it can't be refuted.

 

[Static]

Um ok?
There's a reason why Dragon force last a minute. Gajeel fought Bradman for 2 minutes and wasn't tired out. Once he used DF he was tired out.

That's my proof, it can't be refuted.

There's no clear indication that Gajeel was in DF. Bradman implied that it was something different.

Are you saying that form power-ups only last temporarily? That's not true at all.

 

[Woodenstool]

There's no clear indication that Gajeel was in DF. Bradman implied that it was something different.

Are you saying that form power-ups only last temporarily? That's not true at all.

Can't you put two and two together?

We got clear indication it was, he was flashing back to all those moments of dragon force.