Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Yunkers]

I doubt a amateur mage could crush E.N.D, mind you of the power Partial E.N.D had.

Easily burned around Dimaria Time magic and defeated her:

Spoiler

That's not necessarily true. Mashima gave us the order of events in Q&A of Volume 60, and it went that (acording to wikia)
1). Dimaria stops time.
2). Natsu simuntousely wakes up and attacks Dimaria.
3). Natus notices and picks up Lucy.
4). Natsu releases Lucy.
5). Because Lucy is not moving, Natsu thinks she is dead.
6). Natsu awakens E.N.D.'s power.
7). Natsu attacks Dimaria again.
8). Natsu rushes to Zeref's place.
So Natsu had broken Dimaria's Time Seal and THEN awakened E.N.D. That means that "regular" Natsu broke the spell, so it's not part of E.N.D.'s abilities. I personally think that past E.N.D. wasn't as strong as everyone thinks. Like, he was very strong, but not "top tier".

 

[Gut's is the man]

That's not necessarily true. Mashima gave us the order of events in Q&A of Volume 60, and it went that (acording to wikia)
1). Dimaria stops time.
2). Natsu simuntousely wakes up and attacks Dimaria.
3). Natus notices and picks up Lucy.
4). Natsu releases Lucy.
5). Because Lucy is not moving, Natsu thinks she is dead.
6). Natsu awakens E.N.D.'s power.
7). Natsu attacks Dimaria again.
8). Natsu rushes to Zeref's place.
So Natsu had broken Dimaria's Time Seal and THEN awakened E.N.D. That means that "regular" Natsu broke the spell, so it's not part of E.N.D.'s abilities. I personally think that past E.N.D. wasn't as strong as everyone thinks. Like, he was very strong, but not "top tier".

How would he have been able to move without the power of END or Ultears help?

 

[Demon Hunter]

How would he have been able to move without the power of END or Ultears help?

because he is that OP.

simply as that, fam.

Natsu was broken after the time skip.

 

[Gut's is the man]

because he is that OP.

simply as that, fam.

Natsu was broken after the time skip.

How does raw power allow someone to counter the abilities of a god when Wendy couldn't do jack shit without Ultears help and even dragon force couldn't even hurt her. Chronos is beyond the power of a dragon.

 

[Demon Hunter]

How does raw power allow someone to counter the abilities of a god when Wendy couldn't do jack shit without Ultears help and even dragon force couldn't even hurt her. Chronos is beyond the power of a dragon.

he simply overpowered it with raw power.

he was stronger than her.

hence, he can break it through.

logic fam.

 

[Gut's is the man]

he simply overpowered it with raw power.

he was stronger than her.

hence, he can break it through.

logic fam.

Please tell me you are writing that sarcastically and do think that's a ridicules explanation.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Please tell me you are writing that sarcastically and do think that's a ridicules explanation.

it's the only one I can think of.

 

[Gut's is the man]

it's the only one I can think of.

And what does that tell you?

 

[Demon Hunter]

And what does that tell you?

that its very logical

 

[Yunkers]

How would he have been able to move without the power of END or Ultears help?

Why would E.N.D. be any help in this situation? E.N.D. is just Natsu with demonic traits--nothing too crazy--there's no reason that he would have any time-space powers...

 

[Axiomus]

How does raw power allow someone to counter the abilities of a god when Wendy couldn't do jack shit without Ultears help and even dragon force couldn't even hurt her. Chronos is beyond the power of a dragon.

Dragons > Gods. We've been over this. Irene was a dragon slayer turned dragon. She was definitely stronger than Dimaria. Natsu was stronger against Zeref and Acnologia with his own powers than he was against Dimaria with END's power. He literally had the power to burn through Zeref's space-time magic, which was backed by Fairy Heart. This would have been time magic on a far greater scale than Chronos.

Acnologia (power of a dragon) > Natsu (power of a dragon) > Zeref (Fairy Heart) > Natsu (END's power) > Dimaria (Chronos)

Wendy is nowhere near Natsu's level in terms of raw power. Wendy couldn't even move against Bluenote, whom Natsu oneshotted. Wendy is not more powerful than Dimaria, even with Ultear's help and dragon force. Natsu most certainly is. It's as simple as that.

 

[aymen24]

e.n.d demon of the book zeref
by the death of zeref
demons will disappears
he said

even if e.n.d is very strong
It is impossible to bypass power
The person who made it

 

[Gut's is the man]

Dragons > Gods. We've been over this. Irene was a dragon slayer turned dragon. She was definitely stronger than Dimaria. Natsu was stronger against Zeref and Acnologia with his own powers than he was against Dimaria with END's power. He literally had the power to burn through Zeref's space-time magic, which was backed by Fairy Heart. This would have been time magic on a far greater scale than Chronos.

Acnologia (power of a dragon) > Natsu (power of a dragon) > Zeref (Fairy Heart) > Natsu (END's power) > Dimaria (Chronos)

Wendy is nowhere near Natsu's level in terms of raw power. Wendy couldn't even move against Bluenote, whom Natsu oneshotted. Wendy is not more powerful than Dimaria, even with Ultear's help and dragon force. Natsu most certainly is. It's as simple as that.

So just by raw power. You can no sell the effects of a magic that literally functions as creating bubble in time and through raw power that, has no affect on time. Nats, just a a dragonslayer was able to no sell it? While Wahl a absurdly power mechania couldn't resist the affect of freeds glyph with raw power. Dimaria, could break through Wendy shield to protect Sherria with raw power, Acnologia couldn't move after his body was contained even with all his raw power, yet Natsu could defy a deity. Which in spite of your arguments, natsu is just a dragonslayer and not a dragon, with antibodies put in place so he could never become one which should logically cap his power as well, was able to defy the capabilities of someone who could use the full power of a god. You don't see what wrong with this? You don't see how bad the writing for this is?

Honestly in the end. What does it matter? It bad writing either case, one is a horrible action that comes about due to being in a situation and required having to be written out of it. Versus a vague action. Why do you fight so hard to defend bad writing? It doesn't matter.

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e.n.d demon of the book zeref
by the death of zeref
demons will disappears
he said

even if e.n.d is very strong
It is impossible to bypass power
The person who made it

And yet END was created to be able to kill him

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 7, 2018 ---

Why would E.N.D. be any help in this situation? E.N.D. is just Natsu with demonic traits--nothing too crazy--there's no reason that he would have any time-space powers...

It's a demon made to overcome the curse of a god. Why kind of being does DiMaria takeover? Oh yeah, a god!

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 7, 2018 ---

that its very logical

Glad to know that while some is sarcastic to avoid the ire of the fanatics, they do get what i'm ultimately saying.

 

[Axiomus]

So just by raw power. You can no sell the effects of a magic that literally functions as creating bubble in time and through raw power that, has no affect on time. Nats, just a a dragonslayer was able to no sell it? While Wahl a absurdly power mechania couldn't resist the affect of freeds glyph with raw power. Dimaria, could break through Wendy shield to protect Sherria with raw power, Acnologia couldn't move after his body was contained even with all his raw power, yet Natsu could defy a deity. Which in spite of your arguments, natsu is just a dragonslayer and not a dragon, with antibodies put in place so he could never become one which should logically cap his power as well, was able to defy the capabilities of someone who could use the full power of a god. You don't see what wrong with this? You don't see how bad the writing for this is?

Honestly in the end. What does it matter? It bad writing either case, one is a horrible action that comes about due to being in a situation and required having to be written out of it. Versus a vague action. Why do you fight so hard to defend bad writing? It doesn't matter.

Well, yes. Dimaria said it herself. Natsu was able to move through Chronos' time because END's power was greater than that of a god. There was no special "anti-time" property that END possessed. It was simply at a level of raw power that surpassed what Chronos was able to affect. If Natsu has power equal or greater than END's power, which he does, then it stands to reason he can move through Dimaria's time just fine. Natsu has enough raw power to overpower Zeref using Fairy Heart to power his space-time magic, which is a level of time manipulation greater than Dimaria's. Zeref can manipulate time to such an extent that even when Natsu incinerated his body, Zeref rewinded time to re-assembled his body. I'm not sure why you put gods on such a high pedestal. Natsu can burn the magic that allows Zeref to do that. Natsu already defeated the God of War, so it's not like beating gods is anything new. You can call it bad writing if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm right.

Wall and Dimaria are not on Natsu's level either, so I don't see what they can or cannot do scales to Natsu. Acnologia was stopped by the magic power of everyone on the continent. Even then, this only provided Natsu with the opportunity to use all the dragon slayer's power to defeat his spirit. It was a combined effort that took him down. Without Lucy using Fairy Sphere to seal Acnologia's physical body, Acnologia's spirit never would have been weakened. Without Natsu destroying the spirit, Acnologia would have eventually escaped Fairy Sphere.

A dragon slayer wields the same magical powers as a dragon slayer. The inability to dragonize just means Natsu will never have the physical toughness and strength of a dragon. Secondly, not all dragons are on the same level. Natsu may never have power on the level of Igneel or Acnologia, but he can certainly beat some of the GMG dragons. You don't need to be as strong as a top tier dragon to be stronger than a god. Irene is not on Acnologia's level, yet she is already way stronger than Dimaria. Natsu doesn't need to be as strong as Igneel to move in Dimaria's time. He just needs magic as powerful as END's power. Which he obviously has, unless you want to argue Natsu's feats as END are better than his feats against Zeref and Acno.

 

[Gut's is the man]

Well, yes. Dimaria said it herself. Natsu was able to move through Chronos' time because END's power was greater than that of a god. There was no special "anti-time" property that END possessed. It was simply at a level of raw power that surpassed what Chronos was able to affect. If Natsu has a power greater than END's power, which he does, then it stands to reason he can move through Dimaria's time just fine. Natsu has enough raw power to overpower Zeref using Fairy Heart to power his space-time magic, which is a level of time manipulation greater than Dimaria's. Zeref can manipulate time to such an extent that even when Natsu incinerated his body, Zeref rewinded time to re-assembled his body. I'm not sure why you put gods on such a high pedestal. Natsu already defeated the God of War, so it's not like beating gods is anything new. You can call it bad writing if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm right.

Wall and Dimaria are not on Natsu's level either, so I don't see what they can or cannot do scales to Natsu. Acnologia was stopped by the magic power of everyone on the continent. Even then, this only provided Natsu with the opportunity to use all the dragon slayer's power to defeat his spirit. It was a combined effort that took him down. Without Lucy using Fairy Sphere to seal Acnologia's physical body, Acnologia's spirit never would have been weakened. Without Natsu destroying the spirit, Acnologia would have eventually escaped Fairy Sphere.

A dragon slayer wields the same magical powers as a dragon slayer. The inability to dragonize just means Natsu will never have the physical toughness and strength of a dragon. Secondly, not all dragons are on the same level. Natsu may never have power on the level of Igneel or Acnologia, but he can certainly beat some of the GMG dragons. You don't need to be as strong as a top tier dragon to be stronger than a god. Irene is not on Acnologia's level, yet she is already way stronger than Dimaria. Natsu doesn't need to be as strong as Igneel to move in Dimaria's time. He just needs magic as powerful as END's power. Which he obviously has, unless you want to argue Natsu's feats as END are better than his feats against Zeref and Acno.

And it doesn't change the fact that of all this is in service of poor writing, wasted story pototial and a concept that was forshadowed since the first chapter's very color spread.

 

[Axiomus]

And it doesn't change the fact that of all this is in service of poor writing, wasted story pototial and a concept that was forshadowed since the first chapter's very color spread.

Again, you can call it poor writing, but this doesn't change the facts. People can move in Dimaria's time if they are powerful enough. The END plot was really just shoehorned in during Tartarus. I very much doubt Hiro originally planned the END thing all the way back from the beginning, given that Fairy Tail was originally set to end at around 10 volumes (near the ToH arc).

 

[Gut's is the man]

Again, you can call it poor writing, but this doesn't change the facts. People can move in Dimaria's time if they are powerful enough. The END plot was really just shoehorned in during Tartarus. I very much doubt Hiro originally planned the END thing all the way back from the beginning, given that Fairy Tail was originally set to end at around 10 volumes (near the ToH arc).

(https://aminoapps.com/c/fairy-tail/...-chapter-1/eR53_aLF3udjEz43rXm7MnadKYPa0NJp3L)

 

[Axiomus]

(https://aminoapps.com/c/fairy-tail/...-chapter-1/eR53_aLF3udjEz43rXm7MnadKYPa0NJp3L)

Lol that means very little, especially when Mashima himself has stated that he meant to end the series way before the END stuff.

https://comicbook.com/anime/2017/10/07/fairy-tail-was-meant-to-be-way-shorter-than-you-think/

 

[Gut's is the man]

Lol that means very little, especially when Mashima himself has stated that he meant to end the series way before the END stuff.

https://comicbook.com/anime/2017/10/07/fairy-tail-was-meant-to-be-way-shorter-than-you-think/

.... Are you fricking kidding. This proves END had been at least a concept from the beginning.

 

[Axiomus]

.... Are you fricking kidding. This proves END had been at least a concept from the beginning.

No it doesn't. It's a tiny design on the cover page. It proves nothing. I'm going to take an interview where the author says he originally planned the series to last for 10 volumes (16 volumes before END was even hinted at) over the speculation of some dude looking too deeply into every letter on Hiro's artwork. The word end isn't exactly uncommon.

Especially since Hiro has been known to say that he makes up stuff as he goes along.