Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

Acno > Full END > Zeref > Gray

 

[LaGOAT]

Acno > Full END > Zeref > Gray

Dragons>gods> or=regular mages

 

[WoWfan]

Spriggans > Most Dragons

 

[Axiomus]

Spriggans > Most Dragons

Acno > Igneel > All Spriggans.
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Which is nonexistent with Natsu/END, what he contradicts is that he believes END cannot kill him, that is the Sure thing he is wrong about right there. The narrative text can be wrong too as Igneel’s power if only by power level alone cannot kill Zeref as he cannot die by any stronger being’s hands

I honestly don't even know where you are trying to go with this. Bottom line: Zeref never said END's power can kill him. He said that either END or Natsu would reach him, and that he hopes it would be Natsu. Later when he fought Natsu in the Alvarez arc, he said: "I am truly impressed by your power, Natsu. I have always believed that you might be the one to finish me off". Everything Zeref says supports the fact that he believes Natsu would be the one to kill him with the dragon slaying magic he inherits from Igneel, not from END's powers. It was literally what Zeref was betting on for his 400 years plan.

Narrative text is about as canon as it gets. Why would it be wrong? It's to inform readers about what happened previously on the manga. Like I said, I am willing to concede that a haxed magic is needed to kill Zeref. This does not change the fact that raw power is still needed to get past Zeref's magic and durability. For example dragon slaying magic is the only thing that can kill dragons, but the GMG dragons couldn't be beaten by the 7 dragon slayers because they were too weak at that time. Igneel's power fulfills both requirements for killing Zeref. It is both hax enough to work on Zeref, and powerful enough that Zeref can't just overpower or tank it. END's power might be hax enough to kill Zeref, if Zeref was a regular human with no magical talent. However, Zeref is one of the strongest mages of all time, right up there with August and Irene. If Erza can just casually block its enraged strikes with her barehand, then it's not getting past Zeref's black magic.

 

[WoWfan]

I said Spriggans > Most Dragons.

He just says you which would mean one or the other since they are the same person. Zeref contradicted that saying that he can’t defeat him anymore. And Spriggans said that END is a threat to Zeref. END’s power is great enough to kill Zeref as he was created for that. Yet Dragon power cannot kill Zeref at all in any instance. Zeref =/= Dragons, wrong comparison there. As Zeref did not die from this so it is just a hypothesis. END can beat Zeref because he is a threat by others who are aware of the threat. According to the new chapter, your theory is debunked. Again, new chapter debunks your theory, and END not at full power and Erza in good condition

 

[Axiomus]

I said Spriggans > Most Dragons.

He just says you which would mean one or the other since they are the same person. Zeref contradicted that saying that he can’t defeat him anymore. And Spriggans said that END is a threat to Zeref. END’s power is great enough to kill Zeref as he was created for that. Zeref =/= Dragons, wrong comparison there. As Zeref did not die from this so it is just a hypothesis. END can beat Zeref because he is a threat by others who are aware of the threat. According to the new chapter, your theory is debunked. Again, new chapter debunks your theory, and END not at full power and Erza in good condition

Even that is debatable. In any case, Spriggans = Top humans. Top dragons > Top humans

Zeref specifically said "I am truly impressed by your power, Natsu. I have always believed that you would be the one to finish me off". Zeref was talking about Natsu using Igneel's power when he said this, which was clearly not END's power. Once Igneel's power ran out, that's when Zeref said that Natsu couldn't beat him anymore. The Spriggans never said END was a threat to Zeref. Literally not one of them have ever uttered those words. At this point you are ignoring what the characters have actually said in favor of stuff they've never actually said. Comparing the GMG dragons to Zeref is a perfectly legitimate comparison. Both are vulnerable to a certain type of power, but are too powerful to be beaten if that power isn't strong enough.


Lol, who are you trying to fool? I've read the new chapter.

 

[WoWfan]

Irrelevant as Spriggans have proved they are stronger than the standard dragons even what parent dragons (baring Igneel) have shown. Even so, that is only for his ability to kill immortals with Igneel’s magic’s nature. strength left is ot how it means, it means just magic power remaining, quality =/= quantity. Invel said END was a hindrance to Zeref, and his is a Spriggan so you are wrong. Zeref never faced END before, so Zeref is wrong again. At this point you are ignoring facts and feats which is either shown, analyzed or stated. You have no proof that Igneel is stronger than savage flames Natsu, another thing you made up. Zeref would only die because of the nature of Igneel’s magic being dying. Gray at perfect condition in his strongest form was still effected by Brandish magic, so that only proves Gray and END was not in best condition at the time and yet was only strong we than what was shown.

 

[Verter]

Manga clearly stated E.N.D. wasn't in its/his planned conditions. It was just partial reawakening.
About E.N.D. I most wonder about Atlas Flame phrase.. we got some debatable facts in manga which are not good with each other, and I believe we'll get opportunity to reconsider that situation.

 

[LaGOAT]

Spriggans > Most Dragons

Dragons>spriggans not a debate dragons are the strongest in fr verse the top 2 strongest are dragons solo every1/any1 in the FT verse

I go wat the manga shows POF natsu>end

 

[WoWfan]

Spriggans > Most Dragons, proven

 

[Axiomus]

Irrelevant as Spriggans have proved they are stronger than the standard dragons even what parent dragons (baring Igneel) have shown. Even so, that is only for his ability to kill immortals with Igneel’s magic’s nature. Invel said END was a hindrance to Zeref, and his is a Spriggan so you are wrong. Zeref never faced END before, so Zeref is wrong again. At this point you are ignoring facts and feats which is either shown, analyzed or stated. You have no proof that Igneel is stronger than savage flames Natsu, another thing you made up. Zeref would only die because of the nature of Igneel’s magic being dying. Gray at perfect condition in his strongest form was still effected by Brandish magic, so that only proves Gray and END was not in best condition at the time and yet was only strong we than what was shown.

Spriggans have shown feats nowhere close to what the parent dragons can do with annihilating face. Face is a weapon that can defeat a continent's worth of mages. Parent dragons > Face > Spriggans.

A hindrance is not a threat, and Invel thought that he can take out END himself. Zeref created END, and knows more about it than anyone. The only one that has ever said END could kill Zeref was Mard Geer, who got a bunch of things wrong about END (like being the creator of curses and founder of Tartarus). Zeref is a more reliable source of info on END than Mard Geer.

Igneel is definitely stronger than Natsu even with flames of savage emotions. Igneel also tore off Acnologia's arm, hurting him permanently. This is what gave Natsu the opening to beat Acnologia in their final fight. Even then, Natsu amped with all the power from the 7 dragon slayers and whatever PoF he got from hearing Lucy's voice, only beat Acnologia's human form. Igneel managed to knocked out Acnologia's dragon form, something which no other character in the series has ever managed to do. Igneel's power being the power of the dead was what allowed it to bypass Zeref's immortality, but it still needed to be powerful enough to actually beat Zeref and do enough damage. Hax alone was not enough. If Natsu had the power of a dead from a guy like Zancrow, it would be nowhere near enough to kill Zeref.

Gray was being turned into ash when Brandish shrunk him, clearly not in the best condition because he is still unconscious from the fight. Gray was not only in his demon form when he fought Natsu, but he was amped on rage from Juvia's fake-death. That PoF was the difference between losing to Invel with his devil form, and smashing Invel in his base form. In any case, I agree that Gray was not in his best condition when END fought him. Which makes END's feats less impressive. I can also agree that Natsu was not in a great condition when fighting Gray, but that's only because Natsu can never be in his peak condition with END's power because the seeds are killing him. This explains why END's feats are less impressive than Natsu's feats with his own power.

 

[LaGOAT]

Spriggans > Most Dragons, proven

Spriggans were beaten by regular mages but no1 couldn’t beatena dragon except natsu with the 7DS mode ya dragons>spriggans
End not being in perfect condition is a poor excuse as natsu wasn’t in perfect condition when fight zeref and Acnologia and till solo

 

[Axiomus]

Manga clearly stated E.N.D. wasn't in its/his planned conditions. It was just partial reawakening.
About E.N.D. I most wonder about Atlas Flame phrase.. we got some debatable facts in manga which are not good with each other, and I believe we'll get opportunity to reconsider that situation.

True, but END's completed form is something that only exists in people's imaginations. For all practical purposes, the form we saw against Gray was the strongest END has ever been at canonically. The completed demon form would have only been possible if Natsu made the choice within his heart to become a demon. Otherwise, the two seeds would have just merged and killed Natsu. There's some debate whether or not END was roaming around 400 years ago, and stuff like Atlas Flame's statements seem to support it. But this does not change the power rankings all that much. Zeref confirmed that Igneel could have easily killed END, but chose not to out of a love for Natsu.

In any case, with the book of END destroyed and Natsu no longer doubting his humanity, I think it's high unlikely that END will play any major role in the series. Not impossible, but I would bet comfortably against it.

 

[WoWfan]

The parent dragons only scale to other dragons which are mountain level, the Spriggan's casual to no effort feats revolve around effecting islands which is above mountain level. at best, they are large country to small continent level. a hindrance is a threat which means that Zeref cannot fulfill his plan since END will kill him. there is no proof that Mard was wrong about Curses originating from END. just that he wasn't the creator of Tartaros. No proof Ingeel is stronger since Natsu can beat Zeref with FH. with Zeref's Immortality, Hax is the only answer, because power has no meaning to Immortals. Gray Was still in his most powerful form at the time, that does not change anything that he wasn't in best condition. and Natsu was unconscious as well yet she cannot shrink the Demon seed, so you are wrong there. and no proof that Gray was unconscious at the time of being turned to ash,

Spriggans > most dragons

@Verter don't bother, he doesn't want to admit he was wrong, since END can kill Zeref, he doesn't want to admit it

 

[LaGOAT]

U have No proof of ur claims ur just using imaginary feats to back up END claims. with power scaling that doesn’t make sense when I use that logic against u. U ignore it and contradict what u say

 

[WoWfan]

it is proven by science and feats that they are stronger than most Dragons. END is stronger by recent chapter post

 

[LaGOAT]

it is proven by science and feats that they are stronger than most Dragons. END is stronger by recent chapter post

And I’m using the science and feats back at u. And yet u don’t accept them that kinda contradictory

 

[WoWfan]

you have shown no science, just words, and words are not accepted here

 

[LaGOAT]

you have shown no science, just words, and words are not accepted here

U said end can kill zeref becaus his power is suppose to do while gray has des which is his power is to slay demons by ur logic gray>end>zeref 2. Parent dragons can speed blitz the spriggans just like how they able to stop face spriggans has no feats that stop them from getting speed blitzes

 

[WoWfan]

latest chapter proves your assumption wrong. and stop saying words, people will not understand you if you say words