Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

I'm pretty sure he said it 2-3 times.

But anyway back to the point. Are you saying I should trust what my eyes have seen, which is a near consensus around here, over the word of a flying blue cat whose vocabulary is limited to "ayy sir".

Happy>>>feats. Everyone knows that. Natsu is 100%equal to Gray

 

[Ramen]

well tbf in terms of what natsu can do at will gray is only one power up away from him. Dragon force + FDKM is too strong rn, but if we get a devil force or demon king mode, I think that would close the gap there.

Devil Force is a thing (kinda) and a Demon king mode won't happen. The only reason Natsu has FDK is because Igneel was known as the Fire Dragon King. It's exclusive to him.

Plus even if he was to get those power-ups, he would need spectacular feats since the difference between Gray and Natsu is massive.

 

[Axiomus]

I'm pretty sure he said it 2-3 times.

But anyway back to the point. Are you saying I should trust what my eyes have seen, which is a near consensus around here, over the word of a flying blue cat whose vocabulary is limited to "ayy sir".

Once, and it was when Makarov was thinking of members that can take on Laxus.

No that's not what I'm saying. Happy's statement may have been true at that time, but it's not anymore. It's not at all that far fetched to say that Gray up until Tenrou Island was around the same ballpark as Natsu. LFD put Natsu significantly ahead of Gray during the GMG arc. Devil slaying magic put Gray back on even grounds. Then the 1 year timeskip propelled Natsu ahead of everyone else, because he trained hardcore for 8 months to release Igneel's power and obtained Fire Dragon King along the way. Nobody is saying Gray is on Natsu's level now. Gray himself probably doesn't even think he's on Natsu's level.

 

[Ramen]

Once, and it was when Makarov was thinking of members that can take on Laxus.

No that's not what I'm saying. Happy's statement may have been true at that time, but it's not anymore. LFD put Natsu significantly ahead of Gray during the GMG arc. Devil slaying put Gray back on even grounds with Natsu. Then the 1 year time-skip propelled Natsu ahead of everyone else, because he trained hardcore for 8 months to release Igneel's power. Nobody is saying Gray is on Natsu's level now. Gray himself probably doesn't even think he's on Natsu's level.

Listen, you the man when it comes to FT knowledge and debating but like, it's clearly a joke. An emoji or a smiling face would help

We all know Natsu is tiers ahead of his former rival

 

[Ramen]

Well by devil force I mean full demonization not just half. And The name of it doesn't really matter. Whether it's called Ice demon king or ice demon lord, it just needs to be something that's a higher level of Ice demon slaying magic that than he has now. Natsu developed his fdk spells during training, they weren't just given to him, so I don't think it's necessary to have his parent have a specific title for him to get something like that.

And I don't think the gap is as large as you think. We already know his half demonization is comparable to fdkm since He was able to match END, and END performed the same feat that natsu did with fdkm (effortlessly beat an ,arguably stronger, spriggan). Gray really only needs another powerup that's comparable to what he has now to stack so he can be level with df + fdkm natsu

I look at it from the view that the Igneel one made sense and I don't know how they would make a DeS power-up that big for Gray. It wouldn't fit the story.

DF is miles ahead of DeS. He one shot FH Zeref with it. Until Gray shows something that can one shot a a character comparable to FH Zeref than.......it's pretty big. Plus, even if his PoF Darkness mode is comparable to FDK, FDK still has better feats. Like @Axiomus said, the DeS only put him on equal grounds with Natsu, the DF allows him to one shot characters like Gray easily.

@Jintohaku Edit- Gray only beat up a Spriggan when he had max level PoF too.

 

[Ramen]

@Jintohaku Natsu

No Natsu did that with dragon force combined with FDK. The boosts he gets from fdk and df are comparable (maybe one is slightly above the other) But the fact that he can combine them is what makes him able to produce an attack that powerful. Half demonization gray is already comparable to FDK so All he really needs now is one more power up to stack and he can be level with natsu. (And then Natsu masters the mode he had when he got ignia's flames and the gap increases like never b4)

DF on it's own is already miles ahead of DeS. DeS has never done anything on the level of DF. DF is also much much stronger than FDK. His max PoF mode only stalemated END, a simple powerup isn't putting him on the level of DF.

It goes DF>>>FDK>=PoF DeS

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BTW: being able to match the power of someone that has a feat is a feat as well..

Natsu one shot Spriggans like it was nothing. Gray needed max level PoF to beat one.

 

[Aurelius]

Once, and it was when Makarov was thinking of members that can take on Laxus.

Didn’t Happy say it when Natsu was fighting that chicken guy in the TOH arc, and I think he said it another time after the Tenrou arc but can’t remember when exactly.

But yeah I was just joking around, sorry that you took it seriously.

Can you guys think of another work instead of Fairy Tail where statements have continually been proven wrong. My favorite was Laxus taking down Jura just cause Freed’s reaction afterwards

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DF on it's own is already miles ahead of DeS. DeS has never done anything on the level of DF. DF is also much much stronger than FDK. His max PoF mode only stalemated END, a simple powerup isn't putting him on the level of DF.

Not gonna lie, I still haven’t recovered from Natsu overpowering DF Sting and Rogue

 

[Ramen]

Not gonna lie, I still haven’t recovered from Natsu overpowering DF Sting and Rogue

Bro......neither have have Sting and Rogue

 

[WoWfan]

So I guess that means Gildarts is stronger than Acno then huh?

Also, Natsu used PoF to help him against Sting & Rogue, funny how Nstsu had to deliver more hits against Jiemma with FL mode than Sting did

 

[Ramen]

So I guess that means Gildarts is stronger than Acno then huh?

Nani?......What bs is this?

 

[WoWfan]

Nani?......What bs is this?

People before have been talking about how Gildarts is the strongest and no one can top him

 

[Ramen]

Gray oneshot mard geer the first time he used half demonization, while dragon force did barely any damage. Even factoring in the devil slayer advantage, that's still very impressive seeing as to how dragon slaying magic has never allowed dragon slayers to one shot even comparatively weak dragons. Also it was stated that dragon force gives around a 2-3 times boost in power. FDK is also around the same so the power ups are comparable when used alone. It's when used together that it goes higher. And Gray wasn't using any kind of other mode when he foguht END. He was using the half demonization mode, but just angry (which applied to natsu at the time too). Also this is a fictional story. a simple powerup can do anything.

You're underestimating the power of DeS advantage. Gray used his half demoniaztion mode with Max-POF and even then he couldn't beat END. Gray has never (since the beginning) and will never be stronger or close to Natsu. They are on separate tiers.

What is a weak dragon? All the dragons in FT have been top tiers. Every dragon in FT would stomp MG and Gray. FDK is not comparable to DF. FDK on it's own can't one shot FH Zeref, DF is the reason he could, it gave him the massive boost.

Gray blamed END Juvia and his parents' death and still couldn't beat Natsu in END mode which is no where near his top.That was Gray at his strongest

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People before have been talking about how Gildarts is the strongest and no one can top him

Because he is within the guild. What does Acno have to do with this.

 

[Axiomus]

We already know his half demonization is comparable to fdkm since He was able to match END, and END performed the same feat that natsu did with fdkm (effortlessly beat an ,arguably stronger, spriggan). Gray really only needs another powerup that's comparable to what he has now to stack so he can be level with df + fdkm natsu

Demonized form isn't comparable with FDK. Gray was amped up with emotions over Juvia's death, which made him significantly stronger than normal. It was to the point that he stomped Invel with his base form. Without this boost, Gray's demonized form was barely evenly matched with Invel.

Gray isn't as strong without this POF boost. Case in point, Skullion easily beat demonized Gray. When Natsu used FDK Purgatory to overpower Madmole's defenses, it blew Skullion's mind. Made him reconsider taking on Fairy Tail altogether.

Didn’t Happy say it when Natsu was fighting that chicken guy in the TOH arc, and I think he said it another time after the Tenrou arc but can’t remember when exactly.

But yeah I was just joking around, sorry that you took it seriously.

Can you guys think of another work instead of Fairy Tail where statements have continually been proven wrong. My favorite was Laxus taking down Jura just cause Freed’s reaction afterwards

You're going to have to show me the pages, because I cannot remember where he says this. These are all instances prior to Natsu widening the gap with LFD though, so my point still stands.

No need to be sorry. It's all in good fun.

 

[Ramen]

@Axiomus Wasn't it mentioned that DF is by far the strongest power-up Natsu has?

 

[Aurelius]

You're going to have to show me the pages, because I cannot remember where he says this. These are all instances prior to Natsu widening the gap with LFD though, so my point still stands.

No need to be sorry. It's all in good fun.

Too lazy when I can’t pinpoint the exact instance, lol. It’s not really important, more joking about how statements aren’t useful. No disagreement with your point.

 

[Axiomus]

@Axiomus Wasn't it mentioned that DF is by far the strongest power-up Natsu has?

It depends. The hottest flames that Natsu produces are with his flames of emotions. Technically speaking, Natsu only used a regular FDK Demolition Fist to beat FH Zeref. He didn't need dragon force for this. He just needed to max out his POF.

Dragon Force gives Natsu superior physical strength by dragonization. Think of it this way: Dragon Force is like becoming the Hulk. Flames of Emotion is like tapping into Thor's lightning. Theoretically, stacking both would the absolute strongest. This is basically where I clock him with Ignia's flames. His flames were as hot as they were when he fought Zeref, and he also has the added benefit of Dragon Force increasing his physical strength. The dragon scales covering his arms also prevent him from burning himself, which is a nice bonus.

 

[WoWfan]

They said he was the strongest so then he would be stronger than Acno

 

[Ramen]

If there is anything that this arc has told me is that The power of most of these characters are closer than we think. We had moments in alvarez where natsu was producing these powerful attacks due to either Flame of emotion or mixing his powerups and everyone thought that he was now casually "on another tier" than everyone in the guild. What it actually turned out to be is that powerups are powerups and Natsu's normal power is nowhere near those attacks. I.E Even with LFD he wasn't able to put down gajeel. Natsu doesn't start to be massively stronger than the others until he starts mixing modes ( and I already admitted that natsu with df + FDKM was stronger).

A weak dragon is one that massively weaker than the stronger dragons i.e gmg dragons. Dragon force is 2-3 times stronger than natsu's normal power. That's not some kind of insurmountable boost that can't be matched by any other powerup (pretty sure lfd was stated to be comparable at one point). And again Natsu could only do what he did cause he used both.

END is comparable to FDKM since it has a similar feat. Gray and Natsu were both being fueled by their anger during that fight (Natsu over lucy's "death" and gray over Juvia's "death") So saying gray was using POF doesn't really change anything as both of their boosts equal out.

Well @Axiomus already put it into perspective so I don't really need to elaborate anymore.

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They said he was the strongest so then he would be stronger than Acno

Who said he was stronger than Acno? People have said he's easily the strongest in the guild. Doesn't make him stronger than Acnologia.

 

[Ramen]

If there is anything that this arc has told me is that The power of most of these characters are closer than we think. We had moments in alvarez where natsu was producing these powerful attacks due to either Flame of emotion or mixing his powerups and everyone thought that he was now casually "on another tier" than everyone in the guild. What it actually turned out to be is that powerups are powerups and Natsu's normal power is nowhere near those attacks. I.E Even with LFD he wasn't able to put down gajeel. Natsu doesn't start to be massively stronger than the others until he starts mixing modes ( and I already admitted that natsu with df + FDKM was stronger).

A weak dragon is one that massively weaker than the stronger dragons i.e gmg dragons. Dragon force is 2-3 times stronger than natsu's normal power. That's not some kind of insurmountable boost that can't be matched by any other powerup (pretty sure lfd was stated to be comparable at one point). And again Natsu could only do what he did cause he used both.

END is comparable to FDKM since it has a similar feat. Gray and Natsu were both being fueled by their anger during that fight (Natsu over lucy's "death" and gray over Juvia's "death") So saying gray was using POF doesn't really change anything as both of their boosts equal out.

When has LFD ever been comparable to DF. Please show me proof of this. This is simply false.

Still any dragon would stomp MG and Gray.

FDK one shot FH Zeref boosted with DF and beat many spriggans with it. END off-paneled Dimaria. Gray was at his strongest and he still couldn't beat Natsu, Natsu wasn't. This shows the massive difference

 

[Axiomus]

They said he was the strongest so then he would be stronger than Acno

He's the strongest in the guild. That doesn't make him stronger than Acnologia.