Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

Any who... I wonder if Sitri's flames counters Gray's DeS ice since apparently he can't beat BSS Mirajane with it and Sitri's power is magic and not curse power.

Are Sitri's flames more potent than END's flames?

 

[Aurelius]

@Jellal_98 I see you’re a new user here. So I followed this back and forth, and your points are hypocritical. You don’t consider Erza feats, but then you value stuff like Mira v. Jacob and Elfman and Lisanna v. Ajeel. And then say stuff like Laxus and Erza aren’t on the same tier? That’s all I have to say on the matter

 

[Ramen]

Slowly changed my mind on the matter of whether Mira is stronger than Gray. Too many outliers to make a decision. Gonna say equal to remain neutral from now on.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Don't make me laugh. The fight between irene is just a joke. Honestly, another plot armour when she cant even beat azir

It doesn't matter what you think. Those are feats and Mashima doesn't care about your plot armor complaints. There is more chance Erza pulling out those stuff than Mirajane. Erza > Mirajane in alvarez that's a fact.

If we go by your logic Heine and Juliet >>> Jacob who got one-shotted by BSS when those two fodder swords got no damage from it. Erza is not the only one with plot armor. That was nothing but PIS fight.

Mira used POF against Seilah to miraculously take over her by thinking about wanting to save her family. Another POF moment.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

The author liking Erza a lot isn't an argument against Erza being stronger. It's an explanation for why she is so overpowered. Without getting overly complicated, this is how everything stacks up during Tartaros in a nutshell:

I dont get this card at all because depleted Seilah almost killed tartarus erza and neo minerva w/o even putting an effort.

And limit release is 4000.

So you will use 4000 just to double your attack?

 

[Ratrace]

Sorry but if you exclude nakama power and plot armour in which erza has a lot, then she isn't. I like erza a lot but compared to other characters in the series the author hates seeing erza lose.

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Simple answer, Yes. Alegria is so immense that it shook 2 of irene's best enchantment. See, those 2 girls never got scared when they saw makarov even in his giant form but got scared when they saw alegria. Although Im not saying that alegria is stronger than makarov.

I don't really understand why they are not shown as frequent as possible. I understand alegria and seilah because it uses too much magic power. But sitri and halphas is okay.

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Erza can't even get out of seilah's macro LoL. How can she even do that. People thinks erza is so

Most characters have nakama power and plot armor. Erza (besides Natsu) has probably more major fights than anyone else so you see it more with her

 

[Axiomus]

I dont get this card at all because depleted Seilah almost killed tartarus erza and neo minerva w/o even putting an effort.

Because she macro'd them when they were busy fighting with Kyouka, which had nothing to do with her attack power or other combat stats. In terms of straight combat stats, Kyouka is stronger than Seilah in all categories.

 

[AmitDS]

Whoops I think my last post belonged in a another thread instead so I deleted it. Anyway I wonder if all these 5 guardians are on the same level generally apart from Aldoron's brain and if this level is close to Erza tier.

 

[Axiomus]

They should be much stronger than Erza. Wolven is already at least as strong as Gildarts and Zeref combined. Others could possibly be stronger.

 

[Ratrace]

Whoops I think my last post belonged in a another thread instead so I deleted it. Anyway I wonder if all these 5 guardians are on the same level generally apart from Aldoron's brain and if this level is close to Erza tier.

They could be but if that’s the case then Wendy would need a power up or have someone help her.

 

[AmitDS]

They could be but if that’s the case then Wendy would need a power up or have someone help her.

Maybe the white witch would help out.

 

[Ratrace]

Maybe the white witch would help out.

Or Irene again

 

[grey matter]

Why is Erza vs Mira still a thing lol?

DISCOUNTING FEATS:
They were around the same level 3 years before the main series, after which Mira stopped training for 3 years.
Since then, the gap between Mira and Erza has only gotten bigger and bigger.

Erza has 3 years advantage (even if Erza didn't train, she'd have gradual natural progression from just being active, unlike Mira who just became a bartender).
Erza has 2nd origin, which is superior to Mira's 3 months training since Tenrou

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Now, moving onto FEATS. Erza has upstaged Mira in pretty much every singe arc from Tenrou onwards where there are feats to logically draw direct comparisons:
- Tenrou arc:
BUFFED Mira was overwhelmed by Azuma. UNBUFFED Erza extreme diff'd Azuma. If you want to bring in "Mira gave up because of Lissana" , she acknowledged that she couldn't have beat Azuma anyway. If you want to argue "Erza used POF to win against Azuma" , even before POF, Erza was giving Azuma a tougher fight while unbuffed, compared to buffed Mira


- Tartarus arc:
For the sake of comparing Erza and Mira, lets ignore the hax involved with Sayla and Kyouka.
Sayla one shotted Mira out of her Sitri form.
Erza actually overwhelmed Kyouka in combat, BEFORE Kyouka used her hax and we had our "she's Erza" moment.
Kyouka > Sayla is confirmed.
Put both of them together, comparison in stats is crystal clear.

-Alverez arc
Erza fought three Spriggans. Defeated Ajeel with help from Bisca. Lost to Neinhart. Overwhelmed human Eileen in combat without Wendy's help (after Wendy was out cold), before any POF bullshit.
Mira burned all her magic power against two grunts. Won off-screen against Jacob who fought blind and didn't use his most powerful ability - the clap hax.
Overwhelming human Eileen is much more impressive than burning all magic power against two grunts (created by Eileen) and defeating blind Jacob without his hax.

I'm not including GMG and 100YQ for comparison, because their feats in those arc aren't something which is directly or quantifyably comparable.
But beating Kagura and Minerva in a guantlet is more impressive than stomping Jenny.
Giving extreme diff to Laxus (who stomped a dragon eater), though with buffs, is more impressive than stalemating a dragon eater. (in before "Mira was in Satan soul" , she said she didn't know if she could win, which could either mean she couldn't go Alegria either because of stamina issues, or that she no longer has Alegria due to Zeref dying. I don't see other demon takeovers to be too far above Satan Soul)

Conclusion:
Erza mid diffs Mira by feats

 

[Ratrace]

Why is Erza vs Mira still a thing lol?

DISCOUNTING FEATS:
They were around the same level 3 years before the main series, after which Mira stopped training for 3 years.
Since then, the gap between Mira and Erza has only gotten bigger and bigger.

Erza has 3 years advantage (even if Erza didn't train, she'd have gradual natural progression from just being active, unlike Mira who just became a bartender).
Erza has 2nd origin, which is superior to Mira's 3 months training since Tenrou

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Now, moving onto FEATS. Erza has upstaged Mira in pretty much every singe arc from Tenrou onwards where there are fight to logically draw direct comparisons:
- Tenrou arc:
BUFFED Mira was overwhelmed by Azuma. UNBUFFED Erza extreme diff'd Azuma. If you want to bring in "Mira gave up because of Lissana" , she acknowledged that she couldn't have beat Azuma anyway. If you want to argue "Erza used POF to win against Azuma" , even before POF, Erza was giving Azuma a tougher fight while unbuffed, compared to buffed Mira


- Tartarus arc:
For the sake of comparing Erza and Mira, lets ignore the hax involved with Sayla and Kyouka.
Sayla one shotted Mira out of her Sitri form.
Erza actually overwhelmed Kyouka in combat, BEFORE Kyouka used her hax and we had our "she's Erza" moment.
Kyouka > Sayla is confirmed.
Put both of them together, comparison in stats is crystal clear.

-Alverez arc
Erza fought three Spriggans. Defeated Ajeel with help from Bisca. Lost to Neinhart. Overwhelmed human Eileen in combat without Wendy's help (after Wendy was out cold), before any POF bullshit.
Mira burned all her magic power against two grunts. Won off-screen against Jacob who fought blind and didn't use his most powerful ability - the clap hax.
Overwhelming human Eileen is much more impressive than burning all magic power against two grunts (created by Eileen) and defeating blind Jacob without his hax.

I'm not including GMG and 100YQ for comparison, because their feats in those arc aren't something which is directly or quantifyably comparable.
But beating Kagura and Minerva in a guantlet is more impressive than stomping Jenny.
Giving extreme diff to Laxus (who no stomped a dragon eater), though with buffs, is more impressive than stalemating a dragon eater. (in before "Mira was in Satan soul" , she said she didn't know if she could win, which could either mean she couldn't go Alegria either because of stamina issues, or that she no longer has Alegria due to Zeref dying. I don't see other demon takeovers to be too far above Satan Soul)

Conclusion:
Erza mid diffs Mira by feats

Also being one of the main characters helps because of that she not only going to get more but better feats as well

 

[grey matter]

Also being one of the main characters helps because of that she going to get not only more but better feats

It's not just than Erza got more feats or better feats, it's also (more importantly) that Erza got feats from which we can make direct comparisons to Mira's feats, and hence make stat comparisons. And to be fair to Mira, I even excluded parts where Erza used POF, like the infamous "she's Erza moment" in Tartarus, hearing Jellal's 'voice' and using guild/tree power against Azuma, and Erza slashing Sema with broken bones.

Being MC isn't the end all. Side characters like Gildarts, Laxus and Jellal have shown feats from which we could draw direct comparisons to Erza, and they have shown better feats (in the few occasions they're allowed to shine)

Even the narrative doesn't support "Mira is Erza's rival" anymore. That's gone the same way that Natsu's rivalry with Gray and Gajeel has gone. Laxus and Jellal is probably the only rivalry in which some credible cases/arguments are there that still can be made, and that's still afloat only because they're both side characters and equally irrelevant in Mashima's eyes lmao

 

[AmitDS]

Or Irene again

God, no

 

[Plutogrim]

By feats too.
GMG Erza is still better than current Mirajane.

 

[Jko]

The author liking Erza a lot isn't an argument against Erza being stronger. It's an explanation for why she is so overpowered. Without getting overly complicated, this is how everything stacks up during Tartaros in a nutshell:

You guys take that card game way too seriously....

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By feats too.
GMG Erza is still better than current Mirajane.

Oh lord, not this again....

 

[atlantisreturns]

I don't get the logic of Erza being equal to Mira just because they were portrayed to be rivals once upon a time. It's like saying because I was a rival to someone once I can just sit on my ass for many years while the other guy is training hard and still proclaim myself a rival to him many years later. Wtf is this logic lol. Mira stopped training after Lisanna's supposed "death", whereas Erza was continuously getting stronger. So the difference should be prominent in a series especially like FT which often portrays unrealistic power creeps. The fact should be that Tenrou Erza should be stronger than Tenrou Mirajane based off this itself. To top it , Erza received Second Origin after that while Mirajane didn't. It would be ridiculous to call Mirajane Erza's equal even if this was real life , let alone a series where characters get unrealistically stronger in a short period of time.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Because she macro'd them when they were busy fighting with Kyouka, which had nothing to do with her attack power or other combat stats. In terms of straight combat stats, Kyouka is stronger than Seilah in all categories.

Assuming Seilah is 1 year tier than tartarus Erza ( assuming Erza, Neo minerva and kyouka are on the same tier).
Then how can she possibly macroed 2 mage who are tier above her lol.

And she did it w/o effort. There were at least 5 to 10 seconds for Erza and Neo Minerva to overpower Seilah's curse.

And she did while using macro on a dead person and Seilah was depleted to the point that she can be one shotted by satan soul.