Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Jko]

Jellal should have died as a villian and we should have kept Mystogan....

 

[Demon Hunter]

The thing is......back in the days, there was a real case for Jellal to be made. And I'm saying this as a Laxus fan lol.

But now tho, the guy has been humiliated so much that it's not even funny lol. And nowadays, the guy is put below even Mira by quite a few here . I almost feel bad, kinda rooting for the guy now lol.
As a mage, he's very interesting (extremely versatile and actually uses magic instead of punches), but his personality is a HUGE turnoff. Hope the guy doesn't open his mouth the entire fight (unless it's off-screened :P)

ofc , Jellal was more legit and had good portrayal and hype.

unlike now cause apparently Erza is on the level of Laxus since forever according to some.

Natsu is stronger than Erza since Phantom arc as well by that logic.

same goes for Gajeel

 

[sharkai]

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Natsu is stronger than Erza since Phantom arc as well by that logic.

same goes for Gajeel

You forgot, by the same logic, natsu was always stronger than laxus. You didn't forgot that did you?

 

[Demon Hunter]

You forgot, by the same logic, natsu was always stronger than laxus. You didn't forgot that did you?

ofc, I'm using your logic.

he is also above Acnologia admitted by Erza herself

 

[sharkai]

Not really. She can enchant magic into her swords, but she needs source to enchant her swords. Natsu and Gray are the source. She needs them again once the magic in those swords run of out time or steam.
Have you played skyrim? I see enchanted items in FT as it's in skyrim, seems logical. In Skyrim, enchanted weapons run out of steam after certain amount of usage, and you need some soul stones to recharge them. It makes sense, since our MC doesn't have those abilities himself, he cannot replenish it once it's magic runs out. I use same logic here, Erza has no means to get Natsu and Gray magic into her swords, once the steam/timer wears off, since she herself doesn't have their magic. But she can enchant them into her swords again, once she gets the source (i.e once she meets Natsu and Gray again)

Obviously, those are retarded claims. Never seen them here in MH lol, except the 'blitz part', I saw that somewhere here but that doesn't make sense since Acno didn't move an inch from where he stood, in order to show his dominance.

You dont know anything about the steam thingy though. How do you know it will ever run out.

And then there is another confusion, does it contain type of magic, or actual mp of natsu and gray. If its later erza will become too op. So most likely its just a new sword. And nothing else, saying its an external buff is just wrong

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ofc, I'm using your logic.

he is also above Acnologia admitted by Erza herself

Ypu are only using your own logic mate, nothing else. You are not trying to clear up which logic you are using either to keep the confusion.

Admitted by erza? When.
Do you do this kind of bs for laxus hype too?

 

[Demon Hunter]

Ypu are only using your own logic mate, nothing else. You are not trying to clear up which logic you are using either to keep the confusion.

Admitted by erza? When.
Do you do this kind of bs when laxus is there too?

I did this many times and you still repeat the same things.

how many times did people posted you panels to prove you wrong???

we'll just go in circles like always so I'll just stop once more cause this will lead to nowhere like always.

 

[sharkai]

I did this many times and you still repeat the same things.

how many times did people posted you panels to prove you wrong???

we'll just go in circles like always so I'll just stop once more so this will lead to nowhere like always.

Then dont make sh!t reference

No one has proven me wrong (mostly). But i dont think you have brain capacity to figure that out.
(Fyi i wonder which panel were posted to prove me wrong)

You only have fap material (Laxus) and believes anyone who supports that material proved me wrong

 

[Aurelius]

I'm not gonna lie, @BD_Beno the power rankings thread isn't the same without @WoWfan. Sheesh this forum is boring nowadays.

I remember a while ago, I said some of y'all gonna drive him away and then miss him when it gets boring. A mod deleted that comment, betting it was Ax.

My foresight is impeccable

 

[Ramen]

there is nothing really to discuss anymore.

btw, I'm surprised Erza and Mira have 3 votes in this pol.

I mean, @Jko did say Mira was the strongest with Macro so...

 

[sharkai]

I mean, @Jko did say Mira was the strongest with Macro so...

Hax is annoying
Mishma has no set of rules when a hax will work or not
Its purely plot driven.
So technically he would be right, IF macro works, mira wins

 

[GL_Nova]

Laxus vs BDSK incoming?

BDSK? That may be the only 1 I don't know.

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WW whited his ass out. WW then was knocked out by Happy and finished by Wendy. I can still hear @Zelefomavis laughing

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Thoughts on Laxus v. Jura? I think it was BS, Mashima style

What about that fight do you question?

 

[Demon Hunter]

What about that fight do you question?

it was mostly off paneled.

when they went back to that fight, it was Laxus finishing him off with a Secret Art.

you have to headcanon it that they were beating each other hard off panel.

basically, it was like Natsu vs Gajeel.

saw the beginning and then end.

BS to it's finest.

 

[Biri Biri]

We need to have more baldies apart from Jura.

Baldies are cute :3

 

[Aurelius]

BDSK? That may be the only 1 I don't know.

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What about that fight do you question?

@Jean Grey summed it up

But here's my discussion with grey matter, if you missed it.

It was off screen, it wasn't BS in the sense that it didn't make sense.

'Mystogan' (Jellal), with whom Laxus is portrayed with, was implied to be stronger than Jura in GMG. So, why not Laxus?

From what was shown in the fight, you could see Jura had an edge. Then when it comes back on screen, Laxus knocked him out with roaring thunder. It was bs in how Mashima transitioned the fight from point A to B.

Also, if you want to bring up portrayal, Makarov didn't think Laxus could win and Laxus called Jura a monster. Only Freed had faith, lol

I agree your sentiments, completely. Even I was bummed by what happened (esp because the most hyped fight of GMG was OFF SCREENED),
IMO, what happened was Laxus outlasted Jura, but in pure combat Jura was > Laxus.

And yes, technically I can't bring up portrayal because portrayal between Jellal and Laxus was set only after/since GMG arc, I'm just backtracking from our known portrayal.


This is how I see stats in GMG, while trying to make sense of how both Jura fights went:

Jura (all stats normalized to 100):
HP: 100
Attack power: 100
Physical strength: 100
Magic power: 100
Combat Speed: 100

Jellal:
HP: 80
Attack power: 115
Physical strength: 70
Magic power: 105
Combat Speed: 130

Laxus:
HP: 120
Attack power: 100
Physical strength: 100
Magic power: 100
Combat Speed: 90

The combat advantage Jura had was because of his combat speed advantage. But Laxus' superior HP more than made up for the extra blows Jura did to him.

I would say Jura's physical strength is above Laxus, ~120 by your scale. His chops were fierce, lol. I think Jura only landed physical blows and did more damage before roaring thunder. Combat speed, agree. HP, agree based on the fight results. Jura did tank a point blank lightning attack and then got excited. But, then one shot by roaring thunder. Magic attack power, I guess Laxus had the advantage as written above.

 

[grey matter]

I would agree with natsu being mary sue
Wendy sure
And erza well

If you actually look, she has been treated horribly since tartarus. That definitely not mary sue quality. Stripped and tortured in tartarus arc
And decent good fight against ajeel, and needed help
Tortured again by nienhart
Kiria pet
And now, for the first time, a main character lost to secondary one, who isnt a boss villain

After this call erza mary sue, is kinda difficult.

Laxus beat jura, he nearly got one shotted in the start. But got up and fought on equal footing.
Laxus bs against wahl
Laxus bs against kiria

For a secondary character this is bad.

The thing with Erza is, she's a whaman lol.
Mashima wants to do his 'fantasies' with her, so that's why you see a lot of these fanservice humiliation moments with Erza
That doesn't change the fact that she gets the most bullshit fights in the series. She, along with Wendy and Natsu are the three biggest bullshits in the series. I mentioned why, in my previous post (Erza vs Kyouka, Erza vs Eileen).


Laxus vs Jura.... I agree, it's kinda BS, mostly because it was off screened. But I think it's understandtable. There was clear implication in GMG that Jellal was actually stronger than Jura. And Laxus is portrayed with Jellal in the series, so it makes sense that Laxus defeated Jura as well. In pure combat, Jura > Laxus. But Laxus has superior tankiness. He basically out-lasted Jura. It didn't seem that way in Jura vs Jellal, because Jellal actually has superior combat ability, he's a fast, powerful glass canon
Laxus vs Wahl, I agreed already.
Laxus >> Kyria in magic power would be my explanation for it lol



From my previous post:
This is how I see stats in GMG, while trying to make sense of how both Jura fights went:

Jura (all stats normalized to 100):
HP: 100
Attack power: 100
Physical strength: 100
Magic power: 100
Combat Speed: 100

Jellal:
HP: 80
Attack power: 115
Physical strength: 70
Magic power: 105
Combat Speed: 130

Laxus:
HP: 120
Attack power: 100
Physical strength: 90 (originally I put 100, but I guess Jura had superior strength)
Magic power: 100
Combat Speed: 90

The combat advantage Jura had was because of his combat speed advantage. But Laxus' superior HP more than made up for the extra blows Jura did to him.

 

[Aurelius]

there is nothing really to discuss anymore.

btw, I'm surprised Erza and Mira have 3 votes in this pol.

I'll be honest, I voted Erza bc Mira held a 3-2 edge

 

[sharkai]

The thing with Erza is, she's a whaman lol.
Mashima wants to do his 'fantasies' with her, so that's why you see a lot of these fanservice humiliation moments with Erza
That doesn't change the fact that she gets the most bullshit fights in the series. She, along with Wendy and Natsu are the three biggest bullshits in the series. I mentioned why, in my previous post (Erza vs Kyouka, Erza vs Eileen).


Laxus vs Jura.... I agree, it's kinda BS, mostly because it was off screened. But I think it's understandtable. There was clear implication in GMG that Jellal was actually stronger than Jura. And Laxus is portrayed with Jellal in the series, so it makes sense that Laxus defeated Jura as well. In pure combat, Jura > Laxus. But Laxus has superior tankiness. He basically out-lasted Jura. It didn't seem that way in Jura vs Jellal, because Jellal actually has superior combat ability, he's a fast, powerful glass canon
Laxus vs Wahl, I agreed already.
Laxus >> Kyria in magic power would be my explanation for it lol



From my previous post:
This is how I see stats in GMG, while trying to make sense of how both Jura fights went:

Jura (all stats normalized to 100):
HP: 100
Attack power: 100
Physical strength: 100
Magic power: 100
Combat Speed: 100

Jellal:
HP: 80
Attack power: 115
Physical strength: 70
Magic power: 105
Combat Speed: 130

Laxus:
HP: 120
Attack power: 100
Physical strength: 90 (originally I put 100, but I guess Jura had superior strength)
Magic power: 100
Combat Speed: 90

The combat advantage Jura had was because of his combat speed advantage. But Laxus' superior HP more than made up for the extra blows Jura did to him.

I would definitely not argue against erza being a mary sue, but due to those situations and her loses, laxus is just bigger mary sue relatively.

He is a character with no fault, isnt that definition of mary sue. He is stronger and faster than any opponent he seems to face. He doesnt lose. So he is just a bigger candidate now

those stats you posted, werent shown in the battle. The battle was offscreen soooo

 

[grey matter]

He is stronger and faster than any opponent he seems to face. He doesnt lose. So he is just a bigger candidate now

those stats you posted, werent shown in the battle. The battle was offscreen soooo

Because he always gets opponents weaker than him, or at best his level. Unlike Natsu and Erza, who gets nonsensical fights with overpowered enemies.
When he got someone above his tier (Hades), he got stomped quickly with a lower level attack than what Makarov tanked.

I'm basing it off how it went, and what we know in canon. We saw that Jura was superior in combat against Laxus. We also know that Laxus and Jellal are portrayed together, and Jellal was clearly implied to be stronger than Jura. Soooo...

 

[sharkai]

Because he always gets opponents weaker than him, or at best his level. Unlike Natsu and Erza, who gets nonsensical fights with overpowered enemies.
When he got someone above his tier (Hades), he got stomped quickly with a lower level attack than what Makarov tanked.

I'm basing it off how it went, and what we know in canon. We saw that Jura was superior in combat against Laxus. We also know that Laxus and Jellal are portrayed together, and Jellal was clearly implied to be stronger than Jura. Soooo...

Jellal was not shown superior. Sema shocked jura that is all
Jura was portrayed above laxus
Wahl was immune to laxus. And laxus had magic eating cancer
Kiria hax had nothing to do with power.

This is just how mary sue would be shown. Think escanar man. Escanor was so far above everyone else, and he can handle physical, spiritual and mental attacks. That is laxus now
So no.
You are basing it with very little data. Erza vs laxus has ton more, and yet there is more confusion.

Erza normally doesnt fight anyone above her. Till now only irene fits the bill.
Would you have been happier if koyoka hax didnt work on erza because she cares for her nakama (laxus vs kiria in a nut shell). Erza got alot fight against haxy character, and sadky their hax works on erza. Laxus gets lucky, he doesnt have to deal with hax

 

[Ramen]

BDSK? That may be the only 1 I don't know.

Black Dragon Slayer Knights

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Hax is annoying
Mishma has no set of rules when a hax will work or not
Its purely plot driven.
So technically he would be right, IF macro works, mira wins

Headcanon. "If" is not an argument.