Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GL_Nova]

The Spriggan aren’t relevant anymore really, the only reason they’re in the convo still is Mashima love for all things Erza, story be damned.

 

[WoWfan]

He is stated to be comparable to that level of strength in the Phoenix Priestess movie, it is called scaling, that would Be basically AP which is not a case of DC even Natsu’s AP appeared street level when he defeated Aldoron but is higher since Aldoron Seed stated that all of the real Aldoron‘s body strength relative to him. Natsu was not even at his strongest when fighting Animus until he went Dragonized, he just got back up after that attack out of determination and apparently individuals can heal themselves when dragonizing, tears have never been established to have healing power, if so everyone would do it And fights never end. Savage Flames would be considered stronger since they can warp space time. DF has no weaker version, it either is or isn’t, if Zeref can survive space time warping heat level flames then he would be able to survive DF natsu‘s flames. Animus with DC was completely overwhelmed and his attacks were meaningless If he didn’t get a successful attack in then it is absolutely one sided. Yet Irene was not defeated and downed, so Irene > Erza.

Animus is not stronger than base zeref, he's at best on irene level

Irene human or dragon?

 

[Axiomus]

even Natsu’s AP appeared street level when he defeated Aldoron but is higher since Aldoron Seed stated that all of the real Aldoron‘s body strength relative to him.

Bruh.

Spoiler: His attack literally busted the middle-city on Aldoron's back

 

[grey matter]

Bruh.

Literally Vex_Haid 2.0 lmao

Like, how does someone claim shit like this when literally the next panel shows the attack encompassing tens of kilometers

 

[Axiomus]

even though it required the rift between time, he still has the energy needed to pull it off, naivety is basically synonymous with underestimating, anyway, Zeref would eventually win since he is immortal and Natsu if he continues using Savage Flames would burn himself until there was nothing left. It is literally said that the results from the White Out at the end was satisfying. Elfseria said that Aldaron was sealed, not Mercphobia which he say was defeated, which is odd considering Natsu did not seal Aldoron but destroyed him. Karameel wasn’t apologizing for introducing, but for asking her to white out Merc. And him being defeated was simply something not expected so she went with FT, he lost his powers on his own. It doesn’t matter if she can or can’t permanently erase someone’s magic, Merc was a special case with his own power Problem so he doesn’t have any left. She did not, as he was only half strength, so by that logic, if his power was burned away, the other half Would return, but didn’t because he has no control over it. Also thinking about it now it doesn’t make sense if she can make her victims have full power or not, and when they run out while under her control and when she is defeated they get their full power back, the only explanation is that it is her magic power that she gives them and not their own, and even though it was the ability to control a Magic’s “restriction”, there have been lines where it simply returns their magic power after the spell is lifted, otherwise this is all shenanigans.

Zeref doesn't have the energy to overcome Natsu's attack, let alone the world. He doesn't have planet busting attack power.

Zeref would just continue to get beaten up. Immortality doesn't mean you always win. Zeref was immortal on Tenrou Island, and still got beaten by Ultear. Natsu doesn't need to burn himself to beat base Zeref. That's only necessary to beat Fairy Heart, which no longer exists. DF Natsu can just disintegrate Zeref's body. Even if Zeref eventually recovers, FT can just keep beating him up.

The 100 years quest is about sealing the God Dragon's powers. Defeating Mercphobia was what sealed his powers, and that was done by Natsu.

Karameel was apologizing because Faris ended up making things worse for Mercphobia by making him crazy. Still doesn't mean Mercphobia lost his power due to Faris' white out. Like I said, Faris simply does not have the power to erase someone's magic power permanently. She can only control how much of their magic power they can use. When she is defeated, said person regains their power 100%. They even explained how Faris didn't actually steal Mercphobia's magic power, but merely how much of it he can control. The only reason fans even theorized that Mercphobia's lost his powers due to Faris was because they assumed Faris was stole it. This assumption turned out to be false. Mercphobia's power was lost when he was defeated, and Faris needed to go after Aldoron's power instead. This directly flies in the face of Faris having anything to do with Mercphobia's power being lost, because Faris wants and needs Mercphobia to keep his power.

Mercphobia was never at 50% mp. That is a misconception based off a mistranslation. The official translation simply has Ignia saying that Mercphobia wasn't even using half his strength yet. He simply wasn't taking team Natsu seriously. He got serious against Natsu later when he roared. Faris wasn't holding on to the other half of Mercphobia's powers, otherwise it would have returned to him when her powers were neutralized.

 

[WoWfan]

His Savage Flames are just slightly above what Zeref dished out, they scale to higher than the Phoenix world ending feat. and Zeref would continue coming back more and more it really does, the only way to deal momentary damage is savage flames and they burn Natsu. Zeref wasn’t peak strength with Ultear as stated, apparently he does sineck none of his other attacks could. Zeref one shots any other FT with his Death Magic since base Zeref is capable of harming and even killing Dragon Aldoron. But Elferisa said he defeated, it was either defeat or seal, Faris did not apologize, it does actually since Merc stated it was the case as he was already out of control anyway. Doesn’t really mean that since Merc was different compared to other victims where he was abnormal to begin with. That only proves my point since even Merc said later that he wasn’t even at full strength either.

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Bruh, His attack came to an end after the seed died, and yet still exploded. And that image you provided was off angled, and the roof was still there.

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Nice try grey, with evidence above, your claim Natsu’s attack was ten kilometers is laughable, where it isn’t big enough to be one kilometer in diameter even.

 

[Axiomus]

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His Savage Flames are just slightly above what Zeref dished out, they scale to higher than the Phoenix world ending feat. and Zeref would continue coming back more and more it really does, the only way to deal momentary damage is savage flames and they burn Natsu. Zeref wasn’t peak strength with Ultear as stated, apparently he does sineck none of his other attacks could. Zeref one shots any other FT with his Death Magic since base Zeref is capable of harming and even killing Dragon Aldoron. But Elferisa said he defeated, it was either defeat or seal, Faris did not apologize, it does actually since Merc stated it was the case as he was already out of control anyway. Doesn’t really mean that since Merc was different compared to other victims where he was abnormal to begin with. That only proves my point since even Merc said later that he wasn’t even at full strength either.

They're significantly above what Zeref dished out. Not only did Natsu's attack overpower Zeref's attack and burn out his MP reserves, it went on to damage Zeref so much that he couldn't move. By all rights, both participants were more injured by Natsu's attack than Zeref's. Zeref's attack was barely even worth mentioning tbh... The main issue Natsu had was dealing with time reversal. Flames of emotions wasn't required to damage Zeref. It was required to burn away Fairy Heart stop Zeref from reversing time. Natsu can vaporize Zeref's body without it. No, Natsu's FDK destruction fist isn't a planet buster. You realize you're claiming that 2 planet busting attacks collided with each other, and didn't even wipe out a building? Neither Natsu nor Zeref are planet busters. Stop this madness.

The 100 YQ is about sealing the God Dragon's power. You either have to kill the dragon or somehow get rid of it's power. Elfseria attributed the success of Mercphobia's power being sealed to his defeat. In any case, Faris does not have the ability to permanently get rid of someone's magic. She no longer had control over Mercphobia mind either. Natsu burned whatever magic was whiting him out too. There's simply no possible way that Faris could have taken Mercphobia's magic.

Doesn't matter if Zeref was at full strength or not. His immortality and his power level are 2 separate thing. The Zeref that Ultear defeated was every bit just as immortal as the Zeref that Natsu defeated. Your argument was that just because Zeref's curse could heal his injuries, that means it would also replenish his MP supply. It doesn't.

Zeref cannot oneshot anybody with death magic, because he doesn't have death magic. His generic black magic is not the same thing as his curse, and doesn't insta-kill. We've seen Natsu take several hits from it. We've seen Larcade get a hole blasted through him by it, and survive. His curse only triggers when Zeref finds life precious, and the only reason it worked on Aldoron was because the Wolfen seed thinks Aldoron is precious. The real Zeref can't do anything to Aldoron.

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Bruh, His attack came to an end after the seed died, and yet still exploded. And that image you provided was off angled, and the roof was still there.

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Nice try grey, with evidence above, your claim Natsu’s attack was ten kilometers is laughable, where it isn’t big enough to be one kilometer in diameter even.

The pillar of fire erupting from the dragon's back was part of Natsu's attack. No, the attack didn't end on page 17. Aldoron was vaporized on page 17, but we still saw flames burning the debris and all around Natsu. We see that the pillar of fire is still burning on page 18. It's only on page 19 that we see the flames fully disappear. Btw, Aldoron didn't explode from the flames. Natsu's attack is only the giant pillar of fire blasting through Aldoron's back. The energy we see erupting from the rest of his body is Aldoron's own magic power busting out as a result of the the brain seed dying.

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But whatever. The 100YQ is getting an anime. When they animate this scene, it's going to be perfectly clear that the pillar of fire is from Natsu's attack. I'm not going to argue with you on this further.

 

[WoWfan]

the MC confirmed that what the Phoenix does is something that rivals Zeref’s power, only his FH was burned away. Not his original as he was going to recover shortly. That is why scaling is a thing. Savage Flames we’re required to accomplish the task as they needed to be hot enough to affect time and space, Savage Flames > DF for what they can output, again, AP is still a thing, like most DB characters who did not even display Planet or star busting feats are still considered that level anyway, Size does not matter, accept it, if so then that means Jose is stronger than FH Zeref by your logic. That contradicts what the term seal means, it means it still exists just contained, not erased or killed, tho Elfseria guessed that maybe the quest can be accomplished, that carving did not even light up after a while which with Aldoron it was right away, so there is more to it as in Merc’s lost of control prior to the white out meant that when he was freed it was all gone on it’s own. It actually does matter since even cutting off the head doesn’t do anything to you, there was no way that some bruises would get him to fall when it came to power levels, MP does replenish on its own anyway, there was no real evidence to provide that Zeref’s Original power was destroyed too, it is no different than removing lacrima from someone, it doesn’t harm them, just returns them to normal. yes He can, such as Mavis even who was the Guild Master, or Zancrow, or even Natsu who his scarf took the blow, even Aldoron would die if exposed to it for too long, his Black Magic is stronger anyway since that is just his weakened state, survived but on death’s door, it kills if the person values life, if he didn’t think Natsu was prescious then it wouldn’t have worked on Natsu yet he was running, so your theory is wrong. Wrong again, the piller went on a 45 degree angle while the bigger pillar shot up at a 90 degree angle, and you ignored the evidence that, and that is smoke, not flames, and the radius it too small to be as big as you claim it to be, it did end on page 17 as there were no flames left from the god seed, and there are more pillars shooting out, everywhere, and we still see the cealing above them, If it was that big, there wouldn’t be any ceiling at all, so you are going to go with a non-canon anime scene? even from the outside perspective they were questioning if Natsu actually did it, that means it can’t be Natsu’s fire That made that pillar. Besides this is all the point of proving that size does not matter were even Ignia powered Natsu overpowered Merc with smaller attacks than what he did with Aldoron from what you claimed earlier.

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu burned all of Zeref's magic, both FH and Zeref's own MP. The only thing Natsu didn't burn away was Zeref's curse.

Flames of emotions isn't necessary to vaporize Zeref. It's only needed to burn Fairy Heart's power and stop Zeref from rewinding time.

Like I said, the goal of the 100YQ was to seal the God Dragon's powers. Natsu defeating Mercphobia was what sealed Mercphobia's power. Faris had nothing to do with it. Faris does not have the power to permanently erase someone's magic. Mercphobia needs to be under the effects of White-Out in order for Faris to limit his magic. Mercphobia said so himself that he cannot allow Faris to have his power, and the fact that he was satisfied with the results meant that he was no longer under White-Out's effects.

Ankhseram's curse kills whatever it hits, but it simply doesn't trigger unless Zeref finds someone's life to be precious. The real Zeref doesn't find Aldoron to be precious. The curse would never trigger. Only Wolfen can trigger Zeref's curse against Aldoron.

Those are flames, not smoke. But whatever, the anime will make it clear enough. And you're right. Size doesn't matter when it comes to what is stronger. But our discussion isn't about what's stronger. You're were saying that the attack that defeated Aldoron looked like a street level attack. We see it literally destroy a city. This is a question of visual observation, of which there is a very clear answer. Pretending that the giant pillar of fire erupting from Aldoron's back isn't part of Natsu's attacks is just silly. Something that isn't worth debating, because the anime is going to make it abundantly clear that it is.

 

[WoWfan]

That is massively incorrect as his curse is basically the core of majority of his magic and powers, so to have it still intact means that Natsu did not burn Zeref’s original magic as he still has it. Faris’ lost of whiteout caused Merc’s lost of control of magic to make him lose what little magic he had left, that is what happened, and the ending confirmed it that he was satisfied by the results that no long being under whiteout caused him to lose what‘s left of his powers. Zeref found life even in animals even those he don’t know to be precious so it would affect someone like Aldoron. Those are smoke, not flames, flames are greatly different, that was a point being made that your assessment of Zeref’s and Natsu’s attack being at building level is greatly misguided at best, we do not see it to be fire as that is not what fire looks like and the Angling is off and there is still a ceiling above them so it cannot have broken through to the other side.

 

[Axiomus]

Nope. Zeref's curse and his generic black magic are 2 different things.

Zeref only thought of life as precious prior to Tenrou Island. Back then, he was so weak that Ultear could beat him. Either Zeref thinks life is precious, and anyone stronger than Ultear beats him up. Or he doesn't find life to be precious, in which case the curse never fires off. Either way, he's not doing anything he couldn't to Natsu and stands zero chance against Aldoron.

Natsu and Zeref's final attacks aren't even building level lol.

Say whatever you want. When the anime comes out, we're going to see the giant pillar of fire erupting from Aldoron's back to be the same color as Natsu's flames and that will settle everything.

What ceiling?

 

[grey matter]

Bruh, His attack came to an end after the seed died, and yet still exploded. And that image you provided was off angled, and the roof was still there.
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Nice try grey, with evidence above, your claim Natsu’s attack was ten kilometers is laughable, where it isn’t big enough to be one kilometer in diameter even.

Why did you conveniently not link the previous two pages? Oh right, cause even you know you're wrong

Let me link it for you.
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Here you see the giant pillar BEFORE the pages you linked, i.e when Natsu was still burning Aldoron

The pillar of fire erupting from the dragon's back was part of Natsu's attack. No, the attack didn't end on page 17. Aldoron was vaporized on page 17, but we still saw flames burning the debris and all around Natsu. We see that the pillar of fire is still burning on page 18. It's only on page 19 that we see the flames fully disappear. Btw, Aldoron didn't explode from the flames. Natsu's attack is only the giant pillar of fire blasting through Aldoron's back. The energy we see erupting from the rest of his body is Aldoron's own magic power busting out as a result of the the brain seed dying.

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But whatever. The 100YQ is getting an anime. When they animate this scene, it's going to be perfectly clear that the pillar of fire is from Natsu's attack. I'm not going to argue with you on this furthe

This dude literally skipped the previous two pages which debunked him

Can't be an accident when the pages are before the ones he linked, it's on purpose.

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Flames of emotions isn't necessary to vaporize Zeref. It's only needed to burn Fairy Heart's power and stop Zeref from rewinding time.

Wasn't it to burn time magic rather than burn FH?

Zeref said it was burning his time magic, rather than FH

 

[WoWfan]

they are the same thing as the curse is not actually a curse but also black magic too, it doesn’t matter as Aldoron is still vulnerable either way, the only issue is his size, as he just has to attack his body till the the Aldoron seed appears and he can just finish him off then, because Aldoron didn’t have to contend with Savage Flames Natsu which would be overkill. That’s right because they are Mutli-Continent level or higher by Power scaling. That is your opinion to use a non-canon anime adaption that is known for changing things from the original source and this whole point is to prove that solely relying on visuals alone and ignoring statements is a bad way to assess things, correction, god seed’s back. The ceiling at the end of the chapter, the one that I linked earlier, if it is as big as you claim then there wouldn‘t be any ceiling or debris near by, besides, claiming such a thing would be considered contradicting compared to your earlier claim.

What previous two pages? I saw those and they are not correct in what you claim them to be as they are two small at display and off angle, as I linked the other pages that proves that that giant pillar is not from Natsu as there is still Ceiling above them.

i will post the link one more time because you both seemed to have either missed it or ignored it (first panel to the right)

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[Axiomus]

Wasn't it to burn time magic rather than burn FH?

Zeref said it was burning his time magic, rather than FH

Same difference, really. Ability to reverse time was something he could only do with FH.

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they are the same thing as the curse is not actually a curse but also black magic too, it doesn’t matter as Aldoron is still vulnerable either way, the only issue is his size, as he just has to attack his body till the the Aldoron seed appears and he can just finish him off then, because Aldoron didn’t have to contend with Savage Flames Natsu which would be overkill. That’s right because they are Mutli-Continent level or higher by Power scaling. That is your opinion to use a non-canon anime adaption that is known for changing things from the original source and this whole point is to prove that solely relying on visuals alone and ignoring statements is a bad way to assess things, correction, god seed’s back. The ceiling at the end of the chapter, the one that I linked earlier, if it is as big as you claim then there wouldn‘t be any ceiling or debris near by, besides, claiming such a thing would be considered contradicting compared to your earlier claim.

Not the same lol. Zeref's curse only takes life when he values life. The black magic that Zeref is using when he doesn't value life isn't the curse, and doesn't insta-kill. Zeref's hit Natsu with it a bunch of times and even blasted a hole in Larcade's stomache. It doesn't insta-kill.

If Zeref actually values life and triggers the curse around Aldoron, his magic gets nerfed to the point where Ultear can beat him. Aldoron would just step on him, or send one of his seeds to take him out. The curse ain't killing Aldoron before Zeref gets stomped.

Hoo boi. Here we go with the multi-continental thing again. You just said that base Zeref is a surface wiper because he scaled to pheonix. Now you've scaled down both FH Zeref and Natsu to multi-continental. Also, Ignia and Aldoron both talk about Natsu's new flames burning the world. By your flimsy standards, that makes that attack a surface wiper too. So which is it?

You mean the top right panel here?

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That's the side of the wall. Not the ceiling. The debris falling down around Natsu is the rubble coming from the ceiling, and it's falling from out of frame, where the ceiling actually is. BTW, this is an absurd detail to make the argument on. We see the beam of fire from Natsu's attack bursting from Aldoron's back. And when the anime comes, we're gonna see it in color.

 

[WoWfan]

Zeref’s “curse” Is black magic, even stated by Mavis to be so even when he does value life, https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail-zero-hiro-mashima/i1629005/8, Zeref was not serious when he was against Natsu as he wanted to enjoy the fight and was simply frustrated with Larcade and did not want him getting in the way. It only proves that he can kill Aldoron even when he is nerfed as Wolfen proved so he had to get away, it is a matter of other spells of what he can’t use to full extent. I said or higher, don’t be selective here, they are obviously higher than before which was Multi-Continent level, with them, it is likely overtime or something like that, while with Zeref and Phoenix scaling it is more or less established with actual visuals, no, it follows the Attack Potency definition. That is not the side of the wall, the side of the wall is more straight up vines, debris did not start falling until the very end. If it is as big as you claimed it was, then it would not even be the ceiling because it would not exist nor would there be any debris, that is a contradiction. The beam again was off angle to since Natsu’s attack was more 45 degrees and other beam is 90 degrees straight up.

 

[Axiomus]

The curse doesn't kill people when Zeref values life. Zeref still valued life when he was talking to Mavis there. He didn't stop valuing life until Tenrou Island.

Zeref was serious against Natsu, especially towards the end when he wanted Natsu dead. He definitely wanted to kill Larcade.

The actual Zeref doesn't stand a chance of killing Aldoron. Ankhseram's curse will never fire off against Aldoron, and even if it did....Aldoron would just oneshot Zeref before the curse kills him.

I asked you a question. Which you didn't answer. Is Natsu and Zeref's final attack multi-continental or surface wipe? You keep flip-flopping on this.

Also, Natsu's attack is a lot larger than what the pheonix made in the film. We don't actually see Pheonix's fireball reach anywhere near planet level.

The insides of Aldoron is made of wood and vines. They branch out in all sorts of way, and they pretty much all look the same lol. You can seriously be arguing that these vines:

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.....And these vines:

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....Are so different from these vine that you can tell which vines belong to the ceiling and which belong to the roof? Or that there is even a difference at all? That's ridiculous. They look the same, lmao.

LIke I said, the debris is falling from out of frame. It's coming from a place higher than what we can see in the panel. Also, there would absolutely be debris falling down. If someone blows a hole in your roof, there would still be chunks of debris that fall through. Obviously the whole ceiling wouldn't come crashing down, because most of it is burned up, but small chunks would. As for the angle... All that really matters is that Natsu is punching up.

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[WoWfan]

The black magic does kill when Zeref values life, he just doesn’t want people within his facility, that is the point of telling everyone not to come close and it still affected everything around him. He wasn’t serious enough to kill him straight out and wants Natsu to come at him serious, plus he’s crazy after all, he only intentionally kill Larcade after the claim they were family and he rebuked that. He would considering that Natsu was enough to do that, it will when he values life, even if not he would still be enough to kill Aldoron. And I replied they are above that since they are at their strongest state at the time, you clearly did not read properly. Uh, wat? Phoenix’s standard attack leveled couple mountains and when it fired it’s final attack was spreading to the entire world, you can see the curvature of the planet when it created higher atmosphere, even Elcair can confirmed this since they are intimately connected. That’s funny, because they branch up or down on the walls such as here.

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I could go all day with this, so you agree that the panel there was the ceiling? Good so you know that blast was not from Natsu then from the main Aldoron’s back, just like this picture of the ceiling is the generic vines you were talking about.https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/read/ft100yq/en/7/61/page/4 so it confirms the ceiling is still there. If someone blows a hole that is kilometers in diameter in a room that is around 45 meters in diameter, there wouldn’t be a roof, yet there is, so no, from visuals, that large explosion is not from Natsu, again wrong, he punched 45 degrees, not 90 degrees.

 

[Axiomus]

The black magic does kill when Zeref values life, he just doesn’t want people within his facility, that is the point of telling everyone not to come close and it still affected everything around him. He wasn’t serious enough to kill him straight out and wants Natsu to come at him serious, plus he’s crazy after all, he only intentionally kill Larcade after the claim they were family and he rebuked that. He would considering that Natsu was enough to do that, it will when he values life, even if not he would still be enough to kill Aldoron. And I replied they are above that since they are at their strongest state at the time, you clearly did not read properly. Uh, wat? Phoenix’s standard attack leveled couple mountains and when it fired it’s final attack was spreading to the entire world, you can see the curvature of the planet when it created higher atmosphere, even Elcair can confirmed this since they are intimately connected. That’s funny, because they branch up or down on the walls such as here.

No, it doesn't. When Zeref doesn't value life, the curse simply never fires off. Zeref has no problems letting people get close to him when he doesn't value them.

Zeref literally tried to poke a hole in Natsu. And Larcade. He wanted to kill them.

Zeref loses to Aldoron whether or not he values life lol. Even if the curse fires off, it'll take too long to kill Aldoron. Aldoron would just step on him before it spreads too much. Or get one of his seeds to do it.

The Pheonix's fireball was smaller than the city. Just because the camera zooms out to show the planet, that still doesn't change the fact that the fireball itself was contained insided the city.

That’s funny, because they branch up or down on the walls such as here.

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I could go all day with this, so you agree that the panel there was the ceiling? Good so you know that blast was not from Natsu then from the main Aldoron’s back, just like this picture of the ceiling is the generic vines you were talking about.https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/read/ft100yq/en/7/61/page/4 so it confirms the ceiling is still there. If someone blows a hole that is kilometers in diameter in a room that is around 45 meters in diameter, there wouldn’t be a roof, yet there is, so no, from visuals, that large explosion is not from Natsu, again wrong, he punched 45 degrees, not 90 degrees.

Yeah, they all look the same lol. They just look like trees and vines. The picture you posted of the ceiling looks the same as all the pictures of the walls too. No, I don't agree that any of the panels there showed the ceiling lmao. Where did you get that idea? Both panels show the wall. The actual ceiling is too high and out of frame. That's where the debris is falling from.

This is a picture of the ceiling.

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Looks pretty much the same as the walls here:

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Are you gonna me with a straight face that the vines the image below looks more similar to the 1st panel than the 2nd?

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Lmao.... I can't believe you got me looking at vines. It should just be obvious that the giant pillar of fire came from Natsu.

 

[sharkai]

No, it doesn't. When Zeref doesn't value life, the curse simply never fires off. Zeref has no problems letting people get close to him when he doesn't value them.

Zeref literally tried to poke a hole in Natsu. And Larcade. He wanted to kill them.

Zeref loses to Aldoron whether or not he values life lol. Even if the curse fires off, it'll take too long to kill Aldoron. Aldoron would just step on him before it spreads too much. Or get one of his seeds to do it.

The Pheonix's fireball was smaller than the city. Just because the camera zooms out to show the planet, that still doesn't change the fact that the fireball itself was contained insided the city.



Yeah, they all look the same lol. They just look like trees and vines. The picture you posted of the ceiling looks the same as all the pictures of the walls too. No, I don't agree that any of the panels there showed the ceiling lmao. Where did you get that idea? Both panels show the wall. The actual ceiling is too high and out of frame. That's where the debris is falling from.

This is a picture of the ceiling.

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Looks pretty much the same as the walls here:

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Are you gonna me with a straight face that the vines the image below looks more similar to the 1st panel than the 2nd?

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Lmao.... I can't believe you got me looking at vines. It should just be obvious that the giant pillar of fire came from Natsu.

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i dont really agree with this topic of discussion
but
if natsu made a pillar of fire, diameter being a couple of miles.
then there should be nothing around natsu.
no walls, and no roof.

 

[Seven777]

Purgatory doesn't start colossal, it expands with distance. The areas closer to Natsu are less likely to be destroyed than the areas further away. Same with Demo Fist. It's AoE is much bigger than the guild, but since the guild was fairly close Natsu only ended up blowing a hole in the wall, not even to the second story.