Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Nemispelled]

Wow I didn't even think about Gray only beating a Spriggan with slayer advantage.

I believe you meant that Gray had ice resistance while fighting Invel (instead of slayer advantage since Invel was not a demon).

Anyways, in my opinion, Gray didn't really have any ice advantage against Invel. If anything, it was the other way around - Invel, who is also an ice wizard. was the one who had the "ice advantage" over Gray.

Relative speaking, Invel's resistance to ice/cold temperatures is a lot higher than Gray's:

Panel 1: Gray is shivering from Invel's freezing temperatures, but Invel himself is not affected.

Panel 2: Gray feels cold from just standing in Invel's blizzard, but it doesn't bother Invel.


And Invel explains that this is because he uses True Ice Magic, which is a superior version of ice magic compared to Ice-Make Magic:

Panel 3: Invel explaining that Ice-Make Magic is a derivative of True Ice Magic.


Basically, ice wizards aren't immune to ice. They are just highly resistant to cold temperatures. But since Invel technically has the higher cold resistance compared to Gray, then if there were any advantages at all, it would have been in Invel's favor.

 

[Natsu Goatneel]

I believe you meant that Gray had ice resistance while fighting Invel (instead of slayer advantage since Invel was not a demon).

Anyways, in my opinion, Gray didn't really have any ice advantage against Invel. If anything, it was the other way around - Invel, who is also an ice wizard. was the one who had the "ice advantage" over Gray.

Relative speaking, Invel's resistance to ice/cold temperatures is a lot higher than Gray's:

Panel 1: Gray is shivering from Invel's freezing temperatures, but Invel himself is not affected.

Panel 2: Gray feels cold from just standing in Invel's blizzard, but it doesn't bother Invel.


And Invel explains that this is because he uses True Ice Magic, which is a superior version of ice magic compared to Ice-Make Magic:

Panel 3: Invel explaining that Ice-Make Magic is a derivative of True Ice Magic.


Basically, ice wizards aren't immune to ice. They are just highly resistant to cold temperatures. But since Invel technically has the higher cold resistance compared to Gray, then if there were any advantages at all, it would have been in Invel's favor.

Yeah resistance. Invel was just THAT much stronger than Gray is all. Gray literally has Ice Slayer magic meaning he had ice advantage by far. Imagine Invel with Ice Slayer magic. Gray also happened to have the counter to Invel's all freezing Ice with Ice Maker Magic. He literally had EVERY counter to Invel's abilities. I'd say Gray was around as strong as Ajeel end of X792.

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People keep saying this wrong. He’s not getting a power up to defeat Kirin. He’s getting a power up from defeating Kirin lol

I said it that way originally but I changed it because I believe he'll get one mid fight so that he beats Kirin same diff that Erza defeated Misaki so that his win can be as impressive.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

@WoWfan I'd like to know why you scale Brandish to Giant Gajeel's feats. Just curious xD.

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[WoWfan]

@WoWfan I'd like to know why you scale Brandish to Giant Gajeel's feats. Just curious xD.

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Because Brandish supplied Gajeel with her own magic via size increase, as she has enough to do the same thing for other scenarios.

 

[Nemispelled]

Yeah resistance. Invel was just THAT much stronger than Gray is all. Gray literally has Ice Slayer magic meaning he had ice advantage by far. Imagine Invel with Ice Slayer magic. Gray also happened to have the counter to Invel's all freezing Ice with Ice Maker Magic. He literally had EVERY counter to Invel's abilities. I'd say Gray was around as strong as Ajeel end of X792.

The only advantage that Ice Devil Slaying Magic gives a user is the ability to eat their opponent's ice attacks, which is what Silver did to Gray in their Tartaros fight.

However, Gray was never shown to eat Invel's ice, or any other type of ice in the manga for that matter.

As far as I can tell, Invel was the one who had the advantage in that battle because he utilizes a superior form of Ice Magic, one that is both colder in temperature and can actually freeze ice itself (as shown when he froze over Gray's ice creations).

I think everyone seems to forget that Gray is an ice mage himself. That means the same weaknesses apply to him as well.

If you look at it the other way around, Invel also has the perfect counter to every one of Gray's abilities, and probably has a far easier time in doing so because his form of ice magic is inherently stronger.

This is coupled by the fact that his stronger version of ice magic naturally gives him a higher resistance to all of Gray's attacks, since Gray can only cast ice-type spells.



At the very minimum, they are on equal footing.

Both possess the same type of elemental magic, so they can freely counter each other at any given moment. At the end of the day, it really comes down to their own skill in battle.

The fact that Gray could beat Invel in base form speaks volume about his fighting capability. He defeated a Spriggan on the level that other protagonists needed an actual transformation to beat.

 

[GL_Nova]

Yeah resistance. Invel was just THAT much stronger than Gray is all. Gray literally has Ice Slayer magic meaning he had ice advantage by far. Imagine Invel with Ice Slayer magic. Gray also happened to have the counter to Invel's all freezing Ice with Ice Maker Magic. He literally had EVERY counter to Invel's abilities. I'd say Gray was around as strong as Ajeel end of X792.

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I said it that way originally but I changed it because I believe he'll get one mid fight so that he beats Kirin same diff that Erza defeated Misaki so that his win can be as impressive.

Getting a power up Mid fight and dominating would be more impressive than what Erza did.

 

[Natsu Goatneel]

Getting a power up Mid fight and dominating would be more impressive than what Erza did.

I agree that's why I think it'll be mid fight instead of extreme diff into a powerup. They need to make Laxus look stronger than Erza.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

The gap between Skullion and Gray isn't as large as people make it to be.

After re-reading their fight in the 11th chapter of 100YQ, I would say that they were fighting pretty much equally before Skullion pulled off Black Ash.

Spoiler: Gray vs Skullion

Skullion was turning Gray's attacks into ash while Gray was freezing Skullion's attacks so I'd say that they were somehow fighting on equal terms. But Skullion is still clearly the superior one because he won their clash. He's stronger than him by a fair margin but not much stronger.

About Gray and Mirajane's fight, I think that it is not a given that Gray used his Devil Slayer powers against Mira. It is possible, but we can't totally assume that he did.

People are using the argument that Juvia said that Gray "did his best" but I am not taking this in consideration as she's Gray's number one fan-girl and will obviously support him in every he'd do.

Others would claim that Gray was willing to use it against Raijinshuu, but he only did because he was forced to do so. This wasn't the first time Gray does that, there's multiples instances when he is forced to use his devil-slaying magic because his regular ice-make spells are useless.

Spoiler: Gray forced to use DeS Magic against opponents that counter his Base spells

I don't remember Mirajane having any way of countering Gray's regular spells the way people above did. So it is possible that Gray did not use his devil-slaying powers against Mira.

But anyway, I think that Mirajane is stronger than Gray, by the same margin Skullion is, as she's his equal and because of her portrayal over him (Gray) in Aldoron arc. Though Gray has a better chance at defeating Mirajane than he would with Skullion because of the nature of his magic. I think they're all in the same tier overall.

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Come to think of it, Gray might've surpassed Skullion at this point, if others members of his team have grown stronger since their first encounter With Diabolos

 

[Ronin31]

The gap between Skullion and Gray isn't as large as people make it to be.

After re-reading their fight in the 11th chapter of 100YQ, I would say that they were fighting pretty much equally before Skullion pulled off Black Ash.

Spoiler: Gray vs Skullion

Skullion was turning Gray's attacks into ash while Gray was freezing Skullion's attacks so I'd say that they were somehow fighting on equal terms. But Skullion is still clearly the superior one because he won their clash. He's stronger than him by a fair margin but not much stronger.

About Gray and Mirajane's fight, I think that it is not a given that Gray used his Devil Slayer powers against Mira. It is possible, but we can't totally assume that he did.

People are using the argument that Juvia said that Gray "did his best" but I am not taking this in consideration as she's Gray's number one fan-girl and will obviously support him in every he'd do.

Others would claim that Gray was willing to use it against Raijinshuu, but he only did because he was forced to do so. This wasn't the first time Gray does that, there's multiples instances when he is forced to use his devil-slaying magic because his regular ice-make spells are useless.

Spoiler: Gray forced to use DeS Magic against opponents that counter his Base spells

I don't remember Mirajane having any way of countering Gray's regular spells the way people above did. So it is possible that Gray did not use his devil-slaying powers against Mira.

But anyway, I think that Mirajane is stronger than Gray, by the same margin Skullion is, as she's his equal and because of her portrayal over him (Gray) in Aldoron arc. Though Gray has a better chance at defeating Mirajane than he would with Skullion because of the nature of his magic. I think they're all in the same tier overall.

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Come to think of it, Gray might've surpassed Skullion at this point, if others members of his team have grown stronger since their first encounter With Diabolos

You can give all your magic against a foe without using your trump card : see Natsu vs Gajeel where they were pretty even. I don't see Natsu using even FDK mode, nor Dragon Force but he did his best until wasting nearly all his magic. I can see the same for Grey vs Injured Mira.

For Grey vs Skullion, it was the begin of the Manga where main characters usually loose in order to hype new ennemies. Look, even Natsu was trash in front of Mardmole.

Usually, in Fairy Tail, the rematch is in Main Character's favor : Natsu could bypass Mardmole's scales by ignition. When Grey arrived, Skullion was about to get away. This moment, I can see Grey winning like he did in all previous fights. This is the same as vs Hakune for exemple.

So on Aldoron, nothing suggest Grey was below Skullion, just like Natsu vs Mardmole and Erza vs Kyria.

I like Grey and I disagree about his treatment in the sequel : he has trash feats due to bad writting.

But like he said to Hakune,Grey never lost a rematch. For me, currently, as when he fought Hakune, he already was stronger than the like of Skullion and Mardmole. For his DS mode, yes, it's most likely a trump card, just like Lucy's Mix Star Dress as exemple.

 

[WoWfan]

You can give all your magic against a foe without using your trump card : see Natsu vs Gajeel where they were pretty even. I don't see Natsu using even FDK mode, nor Dragon Force but he did his best until wasting nearly all his magic. I can see the same for Grey vs Injured Mira.

For Grey vs Skullion, it was the begin of the Manga where main characters usually loose in order to hype new ennemies. Look, even Natsu was trash in front of Mardmole.

Usually, in Fairy Tail, the rematch is in Main Character's favor : Natsu could bypass Mardmole's scales by ignition. When Grey arrived, Skullion was about to get away. This moment, I can see Grey winning like he did in all previous fights. This is the same as vs Hakune for exemple.

So on Aldoron, nothing suggest Grey was below Skullion, just like Natsu vs Mardmole and Erza vs Kyria.

I like Grey and I disagree about his treatment in the sequel : he has trash feats due to bad writting.

But like he said to Hakune,Grey neve lost a rematch. For me,currently, as when he fought Hakune, he already was stronger than the like of Skullion and Mardmole. For his DS mode, yes, it's most likely a trump card, just like Lucy's Mix Star Dress as ewemple.

Actually, Natsu overcame Madmole’s limits by getting a little hotter

 

[Karna]

Laxus>Erza

 

[MangerDan]

Laxus>Erza

Nope
Laxus≥Erza

 

[Karna]

Nope
Laxus>Erza

Fixed.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Since I have the first volume...... the official French version

elfseria's statement in this official translation...
"Each of them has a strength equal to acno".....

Spoiler: The official French version

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Uh, in which site did you got these translations?

 

[MangerDan]

Fixed.

My mistake but I meant
Laxus=Erza

 

[aymen24]

Uh, in which site did you got these translations?

Do you mean the French version??
I bought it....

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Do you mean the French version??
I bought it....

Oh ok, thank you

 

[GL_Nova]

With these recent battles against the BDSK, him being above her is set in stone

 

[WoWfan]

Who?

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Because if you mean Dog dude, he is still weaker than the other DGs

 

[Kiki]

How do you guys rank dragon gods? Who is the weakest? Aldoron, Dogramag, or Mercphobia? Natsu needed Ignia's help to beat Merc. He didnt with Aldo(?). Dogramag is still unscathed, but then again Natsu is still in his base form.