Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

This doesn't make sense to me.

Typo.

If Natsu punches you with fire dragon *king* flames and you tank it, you are more impressive than someone who gets knocked out by a punch with fire dragon king flames

 

[WoWfan]

Depends on circumstances as well.

 

[Axiomus]

His are special as in his particular fire is what burns water as any other flame is at a disadvantage to it otherwise. Because his flames belongs to Ignia’s which is special at to burn anything. No as Ignia’s never shown to burn time like Natsu’s can simply by turning up the heat to its max. Natsu’s shown before that to have trouble with water, much like that of Ignia’s before utilizing his special flames.

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Ignia is saying his flames can burn water. There's nothing there that cant be explained with Ignia's flames just being hotter.

Ignia's flames can burn Natsu. Burning Natsu > Burning time. Zeref noted that time was burning *before* Natsu started burning himself.

 

[WoWfan]

Ignia is saying his flames can burn water. There's nothing there that cant be explained with Ignia's flames just being hotter.

Ignia's flames can burn Natsu. Burning Natsu > Burning time. Zeref noted that time was burning *before* Natsu started burning himself.

No, in the link it says with “My Element is at a disadvantage” a in even with his fire is weak against water. As shown how the water dragon could extinguish it. He then says there is a flame that can burn even water, which would be referred to the other flames. Ignia’s flames can burn Natsu because they can burn anything, that is their attribute, nothing about heat. Even Natsu could extinguish water even before Ignia flames. Burning Time = hottest flames = burning Natsu. Ignia’s hax flames = burning Natsu, quality vs quantity.

 

[Axiomus]

No, in the link it says with “My Element is at a disadvantage” a in even with his fire is weak against water. As shown how the water dragon could extinguish it. He then says there is a flame that can burn even water, which would be referred to the other flames. Ignia’s flames can burn Natsu because they can burn anything, that is their attribute, nothing about heat. Even Natsu could extinguish water even before Ignia flames. Burning Time = hottest flames = burning Natsu. Ignia’s hax flames = burning Natsu, quality vs quantity.

He's talking about fire in general. Fire is at a disadvantage against water, but Ignia's fire can burn water. None of this implies that Ignia has any special property that allows him to specifically burn water. Even if it did, it wouldnt matter anyways because we're talking about burning Natsu. Ignia's flames are hot enough to burn Natsu, who only burns at temperatures hot enough to burn time.

If your argument is that Ignia's flames have a special property that allows it to burn *everything*, then that would also include time magic. This still makes Natsu with Ignia's power far stronger than Natsu who beat Zeref, because Ignia's flames also grant Natsu the physical strength to stomp Mercphobia. Frankly, it just adds to my point that MP doesnt mean you hit harder.

 

[WoWfan]

He's talking about fire in general. Fire is at a disadvantage against water, but Ignia's fire can burn water. None of this implies that Ignia has any special property that allows him to specifically burn water. Even if it did, it wouldnt matter anyways because we're talking about burning Natsu. Ignia's flames are hot enough to burn Natsu, who only burns at temperatures hot enough to burn time.

If your argument is that Ignia's flames have a special property that allows it to burn *everything*, then that would also include time magic. This still makes Natsu with Ignia's power far stronger than Natsu who beat Zeref, because Ignia's flames also grant Natsu the physical strength to stomp Mercphobia. Frankly, it just adds to my point that MP doesnt mean you hit harder.

No, he said my element as in something that involves himself (even said it separately earlier in the same chapter, so it involves his fire magic and general fire magic as proven how Merc can extinguish his fire. So either Ignia it talking out of his butt or that there is another flame he has which can burn water. Burning Natsu either is hax or is beyond his immunity which There is another which is Zancrow’s flame and it is god flames which is greater than Dragon Flames. So then I guess Zancrow can burn even Ignia. Nothing Ignia said is based on heat or hot. Just burning, even acid burns too but it is not that hot on it’s own. Not time magic but time itself as in something apart from magic that produces time like properties, otherwise people like Ultear could beat Zeref with FH, again power and hax is required here, something Ignia is lacking on one of those categories seeing as a nerfed Zeref could damage and even kill a DG overtime.

 

[Axiomus]

Time itself is included under "everything" too.

Ignia's flames isnt lacking in anything. It has the raw power to stomp Mercphobia in a physical fight.

Zeref can only kill a god dragon if he finds them precious.

 

[WoWfan]

Maybe, but not in power as he does it as Hax, and seeing as Time is normal that is not the case, Merc even at half half strength could extinguish full power Ignia’s flames, not true as he could do so even at full power, he just makes his powers manageable as he could still use death wave even without seeing life precious.

 

[Axiomus]

Time was acting normal when Natsu was fighting Zeref too. The only reason Zeref even knew time was burning was because he was trying to use magic to reverse it.

The flames that Natsu ate came from Ignia's attack that Merc couldn't put out. Natsu then proceeded to use Ignia's flames to beat up Mercphobia. So no, Mercphobia couldn't extinguish full power Ignia's attack. The best Mercphobia could do is weaken it somewhat, and it still contained enough power to allow a human to defeat his dragon form in physical combat.

Zeref couldn't even kill Natsu when he didn't find life precious, while hitting him with his black magic.

 

[WoWfan]

It wasn’t when Savage Flames was active, unless stated, Ignia’s flames are hax, No, he reversed time after he was gone. exactly, those were flames that were not extinguished by the water, while his normal flames were. Full power is not the same as not using hax flames, that was a portion flame Natsu ate and it completely desimated a serious Merc attack which before was not even his best either. Zeref was crazy as he wanted to enjoy the fight with Natsu for most of the time, Natsu only was at his peak at the end via Savage Flames

 

[Axiomus]

There's no notable effects when time is burning. It acts exactly the same as when it's not burning to anyone that isnt specifically trying to use time magic to manipulate it.

Ignia set the city on fire with an attack. Mercphobia tried to put out the flames, but couldn't. Natsu ate the leftovers, and it gave him enough power to beat up Mercphobia. No matter how you spin it, the flames from one of Ignia's attacks gave Natsu enough power to beat Mercphobia. Like I said, Ignia's flames aren't lacking in raw power. They provide Natsu the strength to stomp Mercphobia. Ignia himself blasted a hole in Selene. Even if it has the hax to burn water, which doesnt help to burn Natsu anyways, that's still on top of having the raw power to blast holes in other god dragons.

Whether Zeref was crazy or not, he still hit Natsu several times. Natsu was literally covered in Zeref's magic, and wasnt close to dying. Even after Zeref got completely serious, he still couldnt kill Natsu with his curse. Wolfen seed was only killing Aldoron because he thinks Aldoron precious. Even then, the curse was travelling so slow that Natsu could outrun it. DF Natsu's attack did far more damage than Zeref's death wave. Ignia's flames can blast a hole through Selene, who is even stronger than Aldoron.

 

[WoWfan]

Whether it is notable or not is not a factor when statement was clearly given. Even when he restored himself and his surroundings “after” he was obliterated it appears normal and just items moving around. He managed to do so with what water he had, which there were some areas that water did not reached, those are the flames that are what he is referring to that can burn even water. As the other flames were completely extinguished. And that was a lesser degree of Merc’s power. Yeah, because those are hax flames that can burn water, something that the other Ignia flames can’t he makes a distinction, otherwise Natsu could just use FDK mode to just vaporize the water in the ocean. Sure they may provide power but not at the level to counter FH magic or Savage Flames, it does matter and even Natsu couldn’t take him down either which Zeref noted he was disappointed. Just so he could monologue, because that Natsu couldn’t do much at that point other than to power up. And neither could Natsu with max heat and reality warping capabilities would be back in action shortly. And he would kill Natsu that is why he was running. That means nothing since Zeref could still use it even when he doesn’t find life precious, that is because Zeref was nerfed, nothing about his true speed. Base Zeref can scale to the Phoenix who can burn the entire world. Something far more than what DF could do. Ignia blindsided Selene when they stopped fighting so she wasn’t on her guard.

 

[Axiomus]

There's no way to tell when time is burning. Burning Natsu is more impressive than burning time.

They are the same flames cuz Ignia only used one attack. Mercphobia dropped the entire ocean on the city in an attempt to put out the flames from that one attack, and could only weaken them. Natsu ate the leftover flames, and gained enough power to stomp Mercphobia. Mercphobia used a serious roar against Natsu, and Ignia's flames vaporized the roar and knocked Mercphobia down. Natsu's final attack burned away the rest of Mercphobia's MP and reduced him to the level of a regular human. No matter how you spin it, the power from a single one of Ignia's attacks scales above the entirety of Mercphobia.

Ignia gave a speech while standing right in front of Selene. If Selene was caught off guard, that's on her. Selene tried to sneak attack Ignia from behind, and landed several blows while Ignia was in the middle of talking. Ignia is just stronger than her. Also, Zeref blindsided Natsu too with his black magic. It didn't put a hole in him.

You just spend the last few posts arguing that Natsu was universal. Ignia > Universal (lol) Natsu > Zeref = Pheonix. Zeref has never insta-killed anyone when he values life. His magic couldn't even break free from Gray's lost iced-shell. Natsu tackled Gray to the ground, and melted all the ice covering Zeref. Zeref's not overpowering a roar from Ignia.

 

[WoWfan]

just as there is no way to tell win time is in reverse, just only by when matter moved around, and again it doesm matter, statment > visual aid. Burning Time is Burning Natsu, Savage Fire is both power and hax while Ignia Flame is less but impressive power and hax. Natsu could use 2-7 different flames, no reason Ignia can’t either. Must be an impressively small ocean because ther are areas not submerged or wet from water, particularly where Ignia threw Natsu. Natsu ate the kind of flames that can burn water. He gained power but also the ability to burn anything. Which means that Merc was not serious before throwing tha body of water, Natsu said he needed his friends help so he is not at that level, so there. And Selene did not put Up a defense, she is a dragon and would have instinct to know when to protect herself, that is on her because he likes humans to an extent to not want to kill those who hunt her. And her breath could match his and even stomped him, she even used water to put out said flames that you claim can burn water. but Ignia and Selene were in a fight so his guard was up, he is cocky as Selene stated. Ignia is not as they ere evenly match. Zeref wanted to have fun with Natsu, even blew Natsu in DF away while in base. Ignia never showed Universal, just claims of country level destruction like any dragon were claimed to be capable of, and that visual represents him in Dragon form, and Selene in human form could enlarge the size of the moon and her power could be felt across dimensions, something Ignia could not do. Phoenix is more impressive than that and Zeref scales. Brandish is also country level as the nation destroyer, and the other Spriggans scale to that, because either they dodged or some scarf got in the way, he killed Zacrow. That means Advanced Ice Shell is strong enough to hold him, but even he said that won’t last forever. Natsu blind sided Gray to stop him, not first time that happened, nothing impressive, Nerfed Zeref can kill and damage DG dragon form, simple as, even dead Irene is DG human level as her magic can affect Selene and only works on those against it who’s magic is weaker than the caster.

 

[Axiomus]

There is a way to tell when time is reverse. The buildings around the area would start to reconstruct themselves. Not that it matters. Natsu was burned using Ignia's fire.

So you think Ignia used 2 different types of flames in the same attack? How does this change anything? The fact still remains that there is enough power in one of Ignia's attacks to make Natsu stronger than Mercphobia.

Ignia beat Selene lol. He scales above whatever you have Selene as. Ignia's guard wasnt up when Selene attacked him. Selene took him by surprise while he was in the middle of talking. He just tanked it. Bottom line: Ignia can blast holes in other God Dragons, which is strictly better than anything Zeref has done. Btw, the main Aldoron seed wasnt even aware of Zeref's existence when he was attacked. So I dont wanna hear anything about Ignia only hurting Selene because she wasnt paying attention. Ignia blowing a hole in Selene > Natsu blowing a hole in Aldoron > What Zeref did.

Natsu didnt just blindside Gray. He melted the ice that Zeref couldnt. Ignia's flames are strictly hotter.

Zeref killed Zancrow when he still valued life. He even apologized. It's not like Zeref stopped valuing life when he was unconscious. He woke up, saw what Hades was doing, and started to lose faith in humanity.

Lol...are you trying to scale Brandish to Ignia?

 

[WoWfan]

Or that is simply matter manipulation that puts it back the way it was. Because Ignia’s fire is hax. It changes that he used it so Natsu would eat it. Ignia cheated, plain and simple as her guard was down. Not it was as they were in a fight. You can talk while you are in a fight, anyone and everyone can do that, at the end they clearly stopped fighting which Ignia took advantage of. Doesn’t change that nerf Zeref can kill and damage Dragon gods. The seeds are linked to Aldoron so it would know when Aldoron is in danger, why would he melt the ice when it already partially froze Zeref? The ice was not even complete, besides. Natsu’s wasn’t even at max heat to compare to FH Zeref. So? Doesn’t mean he can’t kill in either state. Nope, just showing what your scaling implies by what you claimed was shown, and why that doesn’t work.

 

[Axiomus]

Except Zeref talks about having control over time when he does it.

Cheating would be sneaking up behind someone and going for a sneak attack. Selene picked the fight with him lmao. Ignia stood in front of Selene, and attacked at the end of his speech. Short of announcing, "Im going to attack you now" there wasnt much more he could do. If this was all it takes to take Selene by surprise, she was never gonna last against him. Nobody is on guard all the time in a fight. Selene took Ignia by surprise when he was trying to give a speech. She also hit him when he was laying on the ground stunned. Ignia is simply durable enough to tank Selene's attacks without being on guard.

Aldoron doesnt know what all the other seeds are thinking/seeing. The main god seed literally had no clue Zeref was even on his body when the death wave happened. Aldoron tanked Zeref's attack without even beingn aware of his existence. Natsu's attack did way more damage to Aldoron, and Ignia wants Natsu to become even stronger before they fight.

Natsu thawed all the ice to save Gray. He melted all the ice covering Zeref and the guild in the process. Doesnt matter if the ice wasnt complete. Zeref tried to use his magic to break out, but couldnt. Natsu melted it.

Come to think of it, Natsu with Igneel's power vaporized Zeref's magic with a wave of his hand. Ignia is stronger.

 

[WoWfan]

And that happened after he reversed time when he talks when time is norma, not during. Sneak attack is when someone who’s defenses are down and not even fighting takes advantage. Selene wasn’t even using her spells for that attack so she wasn’t even trying, just to get him away from the heart as that is how she wants to defeat him and Viernes. The two stopped fighting, Selene liked humans who don’t want to hunt her while Ignia took advantage of that, he wasn’t even saying that, he was saying “I would have killed Acno” and then shot the fire breath at the same time as he said “Just like this”, thaf by Definition is a sneak attack and a war crime even, to take advantage of a truce. Ignia was in no better shape, the two were evenly match, that is not a difference in power, the difference layed with personality and circumstance, if Natsu wasn’t there, the two would have likely killed each other, no when you are in a fight you are always on guard unless circumstances determine if you are not and lowers your defenses/stats. Incorrec, that was the end of the speech, and she was just trying to get him away from the heart, so? That attack was earned by her in a frontal assault, guess that means Ignia was weak even on guard lol. They are clearly able to feel each other, especially the brain when the other are gone or what they are doing and when they actively replace one another. Of course he does since that Zeref was the GS, that is not tanking, tanking something is when the attack is complete and not affected by it which he was, just not completed before the GS disappeared, no, Natsu’s attack did even less damage as the GS was not even worried when he saw that. That is because Zeref was the target, that only showed how strong Gray is with that spell. the spell was deactivated the moment Natsu bindsided Gray from behind, plus it is stated that only Moon drip can melt said ice, Natsu’s flames wouldn’t even do that, and no, Igneel’s power reacted to that of the Spriggan’s presence, Natsu could vaporize magic before without Igneel’s power, Igneel’s magic is just hax as it is the power of the dying.

 

[Axiomus]

So we agree that Zeref reversed time when he put himself and the guild back together.

Sneak attack is what Selene tried to do to Ignia. Teleport behind him and attacked when he didnt even know she was there.

War crime? Selene picked a fight with Ignia. Now she's crying foul for him wanting to attack her? What are you even trying to argue here? Im talking about durability. Ignia can tank Selene's attacks even when she catches him off guard. Nobody is on guard all the time in a fight. Selene hit Ignia when he was inthe middle of talking, and also when he was stunned and on the ground. Selene cant do the same with Ignia's roar.
Btw, Ignia was also burning Selene up when he lit her on fire. This was gonna kill Selene, so she resorts to teleporting into water. So this tells us that Ignia can burn a god dragon even without special flames that can burn water. Ignia is just stronger.

Natsu's attack did more damage than Zeref's death wave. It vaporized Aldoron's brain and blasted a in the dragon body's back, immediately killing him. It instantly vaporized the entire middle city. Zeref's attack killed some trees in a small circle. The curse would have needed to spread into Aldoron's vital organs before it actually killed him, and that would have been slow process seeing as Natsu could literally out run its spread.

That was way back on Galuna Island. Devil slaying ice also required moon drip, until it was revealed Atlas Flame's fire could melt it. Zeref then told us that you dont even need fire to melt iced shell. It would melt by itself given a really long time. In any case, Natsu melted the ice out Gray's body, which had begun turning to ice, and that inadvertently melted the ice covering Zeref. We see it happen:


So if even base Natsu could vaporize Zeref's magic, what makes you think Zeref's magic is ever gonna touch Ignia if he just lights himself on fire?

 

[WoWfan]

Only that he uses it after he gets blown away, not during. After he monologued and to just get him away from the heart, he know she was there as he called out to her and so did she, enough time to defend this erasing the concept of sneak attack. Picking a fight is one thing, attacking while cease firing is another, that is how. Durability goes down when one is not even putting up a fight or other conditions, he tanked nothing when he put up defense, yes they are when they know when they are being attacked like Ignia when they engaged fully aware, you are wrong when Ignia finished talking and they had time to talk to each other and the fact Selene was not in dragon mode. And yet she can put it out with water. And he was smacked around quite a bit and only resorted to sneak attack in a cease fire to win. No, his attack was less than Zeref’s if he didn’t even other trying to stop it before introducing himself, but Zeref’s death wave was more damaging, creating a crater and would kill Aldoron that demanded his erasure. That was Aldoron weakened, something a Spriggan could immobilize with DS attribute. That was nerfed Zeref remember not his full power. Ice Devil Slayer is not the same as Iced Shell. The only thing shown was Moon Drip that could melt it. Incorrect, all Zeref said it would
Melt someday, nothing about how, likely referring to Moon Drip, if Gray’s body is still in tact then it is incomplete as it requires the caster’s body to freeze. Again, doesn’t matter, blindsiding Gray can stop the spell. Death wave and that ends it, Aldoron couldn’t stop it so it required the seed’s death.