Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ratrace]

Are you trying to play neutral party here?

Yes because most of the arguments are stupid

 

[Darklord#10]

Yes because most of the arguments are stupid

How is it stupid? I could always just say well there's no proof that erza would have done any better against kirin and there's no proof laxus would have done any better against misaki. There's no proof for most things in the manga if it's like that
This kinda logic doesn't work.

 

[Garmadooon]

There’s no proof that Kagura or Minerva would have done any better against kiria did nor is there any proof that Lucy would have done any better against Larcade or Luso

I think that's the best way to say it.
I think Lucy is stronger than them (Minerva and Kagura) but I find it ultimately pointless to demean them as fodder. Lucy is a main character and member of FT so she will necessarily have more feats and brilliance. But saying she stomps them is an exaggeration, maybe Hiro will make them as strong or stronger than Lucy.

 

[Ratrace]

How is it stupid? I could always just say well there's no proof that erza would have done any better against kirin and there's no proof laxus would have done any better against misaki. There's no proof for most things in the manga if it's like that
This kinda logic doesn't work.

Both Erza and Laxus beat someone just as strong. Lucy never fought a serious spriggans by herself

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I think that's the best way to say it.
I think Lucy is stronger than them (Minerva and Kagura) but I find it ultimately pointless to demean them as fodder. Lucy is a main character and member of FT so she will necessarily have more feats and brilliance. But saying she stomps them is an exaggeration, maybe Hiro will make them as strong or stronger than Lucy.

I doubt Hiro will make them stronger

 

[Darklord#10]

Both Erza and Laxus beat someone just as strong. Lucy never fought a serious spriggans by herself

Tell me which serious spriggan minerva fought. Sabertooth got crushed by bloodman. They got crucified so what are you saying?
Oh so kagura fought a serious spriggan? Larcade was serious right?

 

[Ratrace]

Oh so kagura fought a serious spriggan? Larcade was serious right?

more serious than Brandish was

 

[Darklord#10]

more serious than Brandish was

yeah he definitely looked serious here. I can tell. He was so serious that he used two fingers to block a sword attack. Superb

 

[Ratrace]

Tell me which serious spriggan minerva fought. Sabertooth got crushed by bloodman. They got crucified so what are you saying?

I wasn’t thinking of Minerva at that time.

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yeah he definitely looked serious here. I can tell. He was so serious that he used two fingers to block a sword attack. Superb

Brandish wasn’t trying to kill anyone he’s was.

 

[Darklord#10]

I wasn’t thinking of Minerva at that time.

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Brandish wasn’t trying to kill anyone he’s was.

Yeah he was definitely trying to kill her. I can see that

 

[Ratrace]

Yeah he was definitely trying to kill her. I can see that

Glad we agree

 

[Rigel]

Kiria didn't battle Erza for a long period, it was quite fast both of the times. The subject is Kiria's speed in comparison to Erza's, and I prove that Kiria was never someone who challenged Erza in combat skills. I proved my point that Kiria was never someone as fast as currently Erza. On the other hand, Minerva could exchange blows with someone who was able to hit and hurt Erza in combat, and even hold Jellal, Erza, and Minerva at the same time. Thus, Minerva > Kiria in terms of speed.
Erza and Jellal run out of the zone from the plushie's punches, while Minerva keeps dodging his punches more closely to blow him away. The page only shows her leaping to dodge the area of the punches.

I already showed that the giant plushies could hit Erza even when the fight was just Luso X Erza, so I proved that they are fast creatures, and Minerva has feats against them.

Lucy was portrayed as a not skilled fighter when chooses to use the wool shield against Kiria, because it was obvious that it isn't strong enough to block Kiria's cut. Lucy should use it as a decoy and quickly move away from the wool shield with another star dress, but, as I said, Lucy isn't portrayed as a fast fighter who can strike in sequence very quickly.

Kagura is fast enough to be praised by Spriggans (stronger foes than Kiria), and she is fast to cut simultaneous things, so she can block Kira's casual cuts and reach her attack directly on Kiria:

Kagura probably can't defeat Kiria with her bare hands. Kiria probably would use her hax in the beginning and win if she judged Kagura as strong. But Kagura has the speed to dodge Kiria's attack and hit her. She definitely would be a better challenger without a sword than Lucy was after her Cancer Scissors were broken until she was saved by Laxus. Kagura at least would lose after creating some relevant damages on Kiria.

I already proved that Minerva is fast enough to keep up Kiria's speed. And she has the teleport to create surprise attacks. Kiria only will "cut everything" if she has time to launch her attack without being hit first. LOL

I already answered all of this.

And no, Minerva didn't have any speed feat by dodging an attack that Jellal and Erza dodged. She only had the worry of dealing with the same stuffed animal, very different from the context where Erza was dealing with several stuffed animals attacking her from different angles. I posted the pages that show this and you chose to ignore it because you don't know how to respond to this.

You say that Kiria doesn't have feats of speed fighting against Erza (Kiria showed the resourcefulness to duel Erza twice and destroyed Benizakura), but you praise Kagura for stopping an attack from human Dimaria. This type of argument is very distorted and devoid of coherence.

And as for Lucy, she didn't have many options since Kiria cuts off any type of weapon or magic. So she used what she had in her arsenal of spells. It's there in the posts and in the manga, very well explained, if you can't understand it, it's because you don't want to.

And Kagura wouldn't cause any relevant damage to Kiria because she doesn't have any spells that could pose a danger. Minerva follows the same reasoning.

And if we're going to talk about praise, Laxus (who defeated a mage of Gildarts' level) praised Lucy as a powerful mage. So even in that regard, Lucy is above Minerva and Kagura.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

I already answered all of this.

And no, Minerva didn't have any speed feat by dodging an attack that Jellal and Erza dodged. She only had the worry of dealing with the same stuffed animal, very different from the context where Erza was dealing with several stuffed animals attacking her from different angles. I posted the pages that show this and you chose to ignore it because you don't know how to respond to this.

You say that Kiria doesn't have feats of speed fighting against Erza (Kiria showed the resourcefulness to duel Erza twice and destroyed Benizakura), but you praise Kagura for stopping an attack from human Dimaria. This type of argument is very distorted and devoid of coherence.

And as for Lucy, she didn't have many options since Kiria cuts off any type of weapon or magic. So she used what she had in her arsenal of spells. It's there in the posts and in the manga, very well explained, if you can't understand it, it's because you don't want to.

And Kagura wouldn't cause any relevant damage to Kiria because she doesn't have any spells that could pose a danger. Minerva follows the same reasoning.

And if we're going to talk about praise, Laxus (who defeated a mage of Gildarts' level) praised Lucy as a powerful mage. So even in that regard, Lucy is above Minerva and Kagura.

The fact that Luso can hit Erza by attacking quickly with some giant plushies just proves that the plushies is fast enough to catch Erza both directly and by suprise, which isn't easy because Erza can react fast even when she is attacked by surprise (something that was showed a lot of times in the manga):

Erza was hit directly multiple times even when Luso was fighting against Jellal, Minerva and Erza and the same time. Was Erza was getting beaten by purpose or is the plushies attacks just fast enough to press her?

Minerva is fast enough to reacts attacks that can pressure Erza, while Kiria couldn't hit a single cut on Erza's body on their spare. Thus, Minerva 》 Kiria regarding speed feats.

Lucy isn't just fast enough to hit betweeen Kiria swords cuts. But Minerva and Kagura are.
I proved that Kiria speed is not in the Erza's level, while even if Minerva and Kagura speed also isn't in the Erza's level, they both keeping showing speed feats or are being reconized as fast by Spriggans.

Laxus never stated that Lucy is strong. He just said that Lucy got stronger.
"Strengh" overall is something relative.

Both Kagura and Minerva are faster and skilled in physical combat than Lucy. Period.

 

[Rigel]

The fact that Luso can hit Erza by attacking quickly with some giant plushies just proves that the plushies is fast enough to catch Erza both directly and by suprise, which isn't easy because Erza can react fast even when she is attacked by surprise (something that was showed a lot of times in the manga):

Erza was hit directly multiple times even when Luso was fighting against Jellal, Minerva and Erza and the same time. Was Erza was getting beaten by purpose or is the plushies attacks just fast enough to press her?

Minerva is fast enough to reacts attacks that can pressure Erza, while Kiria couldn't hit a single cut on Erza's body on their spare. Thus, Minerva 》 Kiria regarding speed feats.

Lucy isn't just fast enough to hit betweeen Kiria swords cuts. But Minerva and Kagura are.
I proved that Kiria speed is not in the Erza's level, while even if Minerva and Kagura speed also isn't in the Erza's level, they both keeping showing speed feats or are being reconized as fast by Spriggans.

Laxus never stated that Lucy is strong. He just said that Lucy got stronger.
"Strengh" overall is something relative.

Both Kagura and Minerva are faster and skilled in physical combat than Lucy. Period.

I already told you, there's no point bringing pages of other confrontations that Erza had to support her argument (mainly the confrontation against Irene, where Erza was going with the intention of killing due to all the emotional conflict and dangerous situation that Wendy found herself in). found). Mashima made a point of making it clear that Luso Signario was distracting Erza with giant plush attacks to create an opening for the next attack.

This is clear from the pages where I have shown it. You're not ignorant to not understand this, you're just biased.

And in those pages you posted, Erza was evaluating what kind of world Luso had created. She was surprised by the plushies' capabilities, she had no idea they could cause harm. Erza was unaware of Luso Signario's abilities (she appeared several times to be surprised by Luso's abilities, trying to understand what was happening), and was not using any magic in these scenes. Furthermore, Minerva herself didn't understand anything that was happening, showing surprise and irritation.

And Minerva isn't fast, all the attacks she dodged, Jellal and Erza also dodged, so she doesn't have any speed feats. You are just distorting facts.

I honestly won't comment on Kagura because these arguments are so bad. Confronting human Dimaria, being humiliated by Lacarde, who was playing with her. Among other disappointing things you brought to exalt this character.

Laxus acknowledged Lucy's power level, mentioning that she became very powerful after defeating Kiria.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

I already told you, there's no point bringing pages of other confrontations that Erza had to support her argument (mainly the confrontation against Irene, where Erza was going with the intention of killing due to all the emotional conflict and dangerous situation that Wendy found herself in). found). Mashima made a point of making it clear that Luso Signario was distracting Erza with giant plush attacks to create an opening for the next attack.

This is clear from the pages where I have shown it. You're not ignorant to not understand this, you're just biased.

And in those pages you posted, Erza was evaluating what kind of world Luso had created. She was surprised by the plushies' capabilities, she had no idea they could cause harm. Erza was unaware of Luso Signario's abilities (she appeared several times to be surprised by Luso's abilities, trying to understand what was happening), and was not using any magic in these scenes. Furthermore, Minerva herself didn't understand anything that was happening, showing surprise and irritation.

And Minerva isn't fast, all the attacks she dodged, Jellal and Erza also dodged, so she doesn't have any speed feats. You are just distorting facts.

I honestly won't comment on Kagura because these arguments are so bad. Confronting human Dimaria, being humiliated by Lacarde, who was playing with her. Among other disappointing things you brought to exalt this character.

Laxus acknowledged Lucy's power level, mentioning that she became very powerful after defeating Kiria.

So you'reignoring the fact that Erza was portrayed as able to react even when hit by surprise attacks multiples times in the manga just because you can't handle that fact that any foe who is able to hit Erza by creating oponenings on her needs to be very fast?
Are choosing to ignore that Erza was hit multiple times directly by Luso's power, while Kiria couldn't create the oponening to cut Erza body even once in their spare, and that Minerva could keep up Luso's power?

Laxus said that Lucy got stronger, it doesn't prove that Lucy is something besides "stronger than before". He recognized that Lucy could defeat someone with some strenght, someone that Laxus himself have spanked with mininium effort. Show me images of Laxus praising Lucy's speed and physical combat skills, this way you can deny that Kagura and Minerva are better than Lucy in theses areas.

Minerva not only understand what happened but also she was the one who was counter-attacking Luso most of times.
Again: Erza was pressure multiple times by Luso's power. Minerva is portrayed as a wizard able to deal with attacks that can hit Erza in a battle. Was Lucy portrayed to be able to fight anyone who can hit Erza? No.
Thus, Minerva > Lucy in terms of speed.
Kagura > Lucy also, which is obvious.

 

[Hexenhammar]

Nobody is writing fanfic about them. You're denying that both mages are portrayed as skilled and faster than Lucy just because you like Lucy more.

Aren't you the one with the Minerva pfp, while gassing her up like crazy while using extremely weak feats to hype her up? *Sniff, Sniff* is that projection I smell?

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So you'reignoring the fact that Erza was portrayed as able to react even when hit by surprise attacks multiples times in the manga just because you can't handle that fact that any foe who is able to hit Erza by creating oponenings on her needs to be very fast?
Are choosing to ignore that Erza was hit multiple times directly by Luso's power, while Kiria couldn't create the oponening to cut Erza body even once in their spare, and that Minerva could keep up Luso's power?

Laxus said that Lucy got stronger, it doesn't prove that Lucy is something besides "stronger than before". He recognized that Lucy could defeat someone with some strenght, someone that Laxus himself have spanked with mininium effort. Show me images of Laxus praising Lucy's speed and physical combat skills, this way you can deny that Kagura and Minerva are better than Lucy in theses areas.

Minerva not only understand what happened but also she was the one who was counter-attacking Luso most of times.
Again: Erza was pressure multiple times by Luso's power. Minerva is portrayed as a wizard able to deal with attacks that can hit Erza in a battle. Was Lucy portrayed to be able to fight anyone who can hit Erza? No.
Thus, Minerva > Lucy in terms of speed.
Kagura > Lucy also, which is obvious.

Also, this is just a poor argument, Erza was literally fighting against Kiria using Benizakura armor which is literally stated to be her strongest armor. While in those panels you're using, Erza was wearing her Heartz Kruez armor. Literally in earlier 100 year quest, Kiria was keeping up with Erza in a fight, she only got 'defeated' when Erza used her Benizakura Armor. So Minerva absolutely isn't faster than Kiria, not in the slightest.

When Luso was pressuring Erza, Erza wasn't using anything to buff herself or to improve her strength like she did against characters like Kiria and Misaki. This argument is getting ridiculous at this point.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Do you need that I put Erza reacting surprise attacks to show how only the surprise factor doesn't stop her from react?

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Aren't you the one with the Minerva pfp, while gassing her up like crazy while using extremely weak feats to hype her up? *Sniff, Sniff* is that projection I smell?

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Also, this is just a poor argument, Erza was literally fighting against Kiria using Benizakura armor which is literally stated to be her strongest armor. While in those panels you're using, Erza was wearing her Heartz Kruez armor. Literally in earlier 100 year quest, Kiria was keeping up with Erza in a fight, she only got 'defeated' when Erza used her Benizakura Armor. So Minerva absolutely isn't faster than Kiria, not in the slightest.

Wrong. Erza already was outperforming Kiria even while use swimsuit. Benizakura Armor power will depend of how much magic power Erza put in the sword cut. Erza doesn't get faster just by using it. Actually, Erza has speed focused armors if she only wants increase her speed. Benizakura Armor strenght is based in the cut power and not in Erza's speed level.

Kiria wasn't able to cut hurt Erza even when Erza wasn't using an armor. And Erza doesn't need to wear any armor to be very fast. She is naturally fast.

 

[Rigel]

So you'reignoring the fact that Erza was portrayed as able to react even when hit by surprise attacks multiples times in the manga just because you can't handle that fact that any foe who is able to hit Erza by creating oponenings on her needs to be very fast?
Are choosing to ignore that Erza was hit multiple times directly by Luso's power, while Kiria couldn't create the oponening to cut Erza body even once in their spare, and that Minerva could keep up Luso's power?

Laxus said that Lucy got stronger, it doesn't prove that Lucy is something besides "stronger than before". He recognized that Lucy could defeat someone with some strenght, someone that Laxus himself have spanked with mininium effort. Show me images of Laxus praising Lucy's speed and physical combat skills, this way you can deny that Kagura and Minerva are better than Lucy in theses areas.

Minerva not only understand what happened but also she was the one who was counter-attacking Luso most of times.
Again: Erza was pressure multiple times by Luso's power. Minerva is portrayed as a wizard able to deal with attacks that can hit Erza in a battle. Was Lucy portrayed to be able to fight anyone who can hit Erza? No.
Thus, Minerva > Lucy in terms of speed.
Kagura > Lucy also, which is obvious.

Luso using attacks to distract Erza to create openings and be able to hit Erza:

Soon after this situation, Luso repeats the same strategy against Erza in the following scenes (which you like to distort to make Minerva a sprinter).

Round 1 against the Signario Sisters, Erza, Jellal and Minerva were trying to understand what Luso Signario's abilities were.

The context in which Erza faced Luso Signario alone is much more serious and complicated than the battle in which Luso was just having fun with Minerva.

So now let's discuss compliments? I refuse hahaha.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Luso using attacks to distract Erza to create openings and be able to hit Erza:

Soon after this situation, Luso repeats the same strategy against Erza in the following scenes (which you like to distort to make Minerva a sprinter).

Round 1 against the Signario Sisters, Erza, Jellal and Minerva were trying to understand what Luso Signario's abilities were.

The context in which Erza faced Luso Signario alone is much more serious and complicated than the battle in which Luso was just having fun with Minerva.

So now let's discuss compliments? I refuse hahaha.

Erza just would be hit by a opening if the enemies targeting her are fast. Erza is often portrayed as being able to evade surprise attacks and even as someone fast enough to counter-attack while being hit by a oponent who is destroying her armor in a sword fight.

The plushie using box glove attacked Erza directly. Erza wasn't with her guard open when was hit by him.

Jellal, Erza and Minerva weren't letting Luso beat them. They just were pressed by her power. You are inventing a narrative in which Jellal and Erza let the enemy hit them, and it was not the case.

As I already say, Minerva was portrayed as someone who can keep with attacks that was hiting and hurting Erza and Jellal. Lucy was never portrayed as someone who can properly stand a enemy who is able to hit Erza multiple times. Lucy needed to be saved from Kyria sequential attacks.

 

[Rigel]

Erza just would be hit by a opening if the enemies targeting her are fast. Erza is often portrayed as being able to evade surprise attacks and even as someone fast enough to counter-attack while being hit by a oponent who is destroying her armor in a sword fight.

The plushie using box glove attacked Erza directly. Erza wasn't with her guard open when was hit by him.

Jellal, Erza and Minerva weren't letting Luso beat them. They just were pressed by her power. You are inventing a narrative in which Jellal and Erza let the enemy hit them, and it was not the case.

As I already say, Minerva was portrayed as someone who can keep with attacks that was hiting and hurting Erza and Jellal. Lucy was never portrayed as someone who can properly stand a enemy who is able to hit Erza multiple times. Lucy needed to be saved from Kyria sequential attacks.

Why are you using Erza's battle against Enny Signario to reinforce your points? This doesn't make any sense, considering that Luso Signario is inferior to her sister. And Erza boosted her body with more power to defeat Enny, she was using much more magic to improve her physical capabilities.

Your arguments about Luso Signario plushies are incoherent, when the manga is clear with the situation. And Erza wasn't using her armor and magic to improve her physical attributes in those situations, very different from the manga page you brought now.

And I believe you've read the countless moments when Minerva, Erza and Jellal were trying to understand Luso Signario's abilities. They are on the pages where I posted them, there is no need to go beyond what is shown in the manga.

When Erza wanted to destroy Luso Signario, she destroyed...

Minerva has no achievements in the manga, there is no point in creating fanfics.

 

[Hexenhammar]

Do you need that I put Erza reacting surprise attacks to show how only the surprise factor doesn't stop her from react?

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Wrong. Erza already was outperforming Kiria even while use swimsuit. Benizakura Armor power will depend of how much magic power Erza put in the sword cut. Erza doesn't get faster just by using it. Actually, Erza has speed focused armors if she only wants increase her speed. Benizakura Armor strenght is based in the cut power and not in Erza's speed level.

Kiria wasn't able to cut hurt Erza even when Erza wasn't using an armor. And Erza doesn't need to wear any armor to be very fast. She is naturally fast.

Prove where she was outperforming Kiria in swimsuit, cause they were rather evenly matched until she went flame empress mode. And even if you're argument holds up, you're forgetting the fact Erza was PISSED off at Kiria for how Kiria had humiliated her with her hypnosis spell and wanted VENGEANCE.

But even ignoring that, remember Tower Of Heaven? Once Erza wore Benizakura she went from being perception blitzed by Ikaruga to matching her speed and eventually defeating her once she wore the Benizakura Armor. So the Benizakura Armor does indeed increase speed.