Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

Dragon Force. That is just a shock value moment, it holds no physical impact, like an afterimage, no, the wound would stay the same regardless of returning to normal size. LFD mode is not even Natsu’s strongest so not really a high bar to overcome. Lucy defeated Mimi whose power is strength while Natsu was frozen by someone physically weaker. Gajeel was defeated by a weakened Spriggan, Lucy could survive hit in a fight with one.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Reading some chapters i just want to point here that Wall actually had a bigger advantage than just immunity

Beyond not being affected by the lighning, he was converting Laxus lightning into energy for himself to use, so all of his good physical feats against Laxus was because he used Laxus lightning to boost himself. This is very bad for spriggan agenda

 

[WoWfan]

That is just his proxy, not the main body himself as Wall doesn’t transform his body with each attack. That would explain why it was mistaken for the real deal

 

[GodSlayer666]

That is just his proxy, not the main body himself as Wall doesn’t transform his body with each attack. That would explain why it was mistaken for the real deal

Main body has lesser abilities than its proxy because...

 

[Axiomus]

Dragon Force. That is just a shock value moment, it holds no physical impact, like an afterimage, no, the wound would stay the same regardless of returning to normal size. LFD mode is not even Natsu’s strongest so not really a high bar to overcome. Lucy defeated Mimi whose power is strength while Natsu was frozen by someone physically weaker. Gajeel was defeated by a weakened Spriggan, Lucy could survive hit in a fight with one.

Dragon Force is a part of Natsu's magic. He doesnt need a power up for it.

What is that even supposed to mean? Clearly there was a hole in Gajeel, and the act of shrinking down saved Gajeel. This is pretty much the same deal when Brandish shrunk Gray when Skullion turned him to ash.

Did Hakune physically overpower Natsu? No. She prevented him from using magic altogether. It's a meaningless comparison. Let's not kid ourselves. Natsu would oneshot Mimi.

Gajeel killed Bloodman. Just because he lost to God Serena doesnt mean every Spriggan can beat him. Anyways surviving a hit from Brandish or Jacob doesnt mean you are stronger than Gajeel. Natsu has mauled several Spriggans. Natsu cant kill Gajeel. Again, Aquarius thinks LFD might kill a powered up Lucy.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Dragon Force is a part of Natsu's magic. He doesnt need a power up for it.

What is that even supposed to mean? Clearly there was a hole in Gajeel, and the act of shrinking down saved Gajeel. This is pretty much the same deal when Brandish shrunk Gray when Skullion turned him to ash.

Did Hakune physically overpower Natsu? No. She prevented him from using magic altogether. It's a meaningless comparison. Let's not kid ourselves. Natsu would oneshot Mimi.

Gajeel killed Bloodman. Just because he lost to God Serena doesnt mean every Spriggan can beat him. Anyways surviving a hit from Brandish or Jacob doesnt mean you are stronger than Gajeel. Natsu has mauled several Spriggans. Natsu cant kill Gajeel. Again, Aquarius thinks LFD might kill a powered up Lucy.

Just wanna add that LFDM was even portrayed to be around FDK Natsu at Gold Owl as both forms are able of overpowering Athena II

FDK Natsu one shotted two spriggans, doing maths ISDM Gajeel can't be weaker than the spriggans

 

[WoWfan]

Why didn’t main body Wall use Vortex Charge which he uses to convert lightning? It is all the same a transformation is a power up of stats along with other abilities external or internal. It means it didn’t happen since the hole never existed in his regular size, if it did the hole would still be relative there and then. Again, shock value because she turned him small before he became ashes. Spirit Arts is a force born from mental discipline, not dissimilar to Magic which mental aspects plays a role, it is just the former can’t be interacted with under normal circumstances. Gajeel became stronger with his power up and became able to permanently affect Bloodman. That is a weaker GS since he is a deadman. Natsu had several advantages in his fights, not by himself all the time

 

[GodSlayer666]

Why didn’t main body Wall use Vortex Charge which he uses to convert lightning?

Maybe because Vortex Charge is a lightning attack and Wall is not so stupid to attack a lightning dragon slayer with that before he forgot like when he used the laser

 

[WoWfan]

Maybe because Vortex Charge is a lightning attack and Wall is not so stupid to attack a lightning dragon slayer with that before he forgot like when he used the laser

That just proves me right, whether he knew or not is a factor here as he used an electricity attack before and acknowledged he forgot after analyzing Laxus, there was no way he wouldn’t have used VC if he had it before he analyzed Laxus.

 

[GodSlayer666]

That just proves me right, whether he knew or not is a factor here as he used an electricity attack before and acknowledged he forgot after analyzing Laxus, there was no way he wouldn’t have used VC if he had it before he analyzed Laxus.

The first thing Laxus does to him is punch him with lightning, he can't not notice that. It was stupid from his part to use the laser after, but it would have been more stupid if he used VC immediately after noticing the lightning

 

[WoWfan]

So? That still happen like his proxy if he had VC. People can get caught off guard all the time, plus elemental users can still be harmed by said elemental attacks, they just have resistance to their properties like with ice users resist cold but can be harmed by said ice, it is slayers that are all but immune to it, and I say all, it would have to be close to immunity as possible like with Natsu his limit is planck temperature. And Laxus didn’t use any. Actually I take back my earlier comment, it isn’t that he didn’t forget it is that he couldn’t have known as Laxus didn’t declare him being a DS.

 

[Ratrace]

Gajeel killed Bloodman. Just because he lost to God Serena doesnt mean every Spriggan can beat him. Anyways surviving a hit from Brandish or Jacob doesnt mean you are stronger than Gajeel. Natsu has mauled several Spriggans. Natsu cant kill Gajeel. Again, Aquarius thinks LFD might kill a powered up Lucy.

To be fair he was at a disadvantage against God Serena

 

[Darklord#10]

No hax involved natsu destroys brandish low diff in base form

 

[GodSlayer666]

So? That still happen like his proxy if he had VC. People can get caught off guard all the time, plus elemental users can still be harmed by said elemental attacks, they just have resistance to their properties like with ice users resist cold but can be harmed by said ice, it is slayers that are all but immune to it, and I say all, it would have to be close to immunity as possible like with Natsu his limit is planck temperature. And Laxus didn’t use any. Actually I take back my earlier comment, it isn’t that he didn’t forget it is that he couldn’t have known as Laxus didn’t declare him being a DS.

If the elemental users have resistance to it, than it wouldn't be the best strategy to use it against him even if he didn't knew about him being DS

 

[WoWfan]

They can’t resist the elements themselves, just their attributes. They can be damaged by the elements, just less so for things like cold, hot, wet, shock, etc.. not the physical damage that elements do like every other attack.

 

[Axiomus]

No hax involved natsu destroys brandish low diff in base form

Yup.

Why didn’t main body Wall use Vortex Charge which he uses to convert lightning? It is all the same a transformation is a power up of stats along with other abilities external or internal. It means it didn’t happen since the hole never existed in his regular size, if it did the hole would still be relative there and then. Again, shock value because she turned him small before he became ashes. Spirit Arts is a force born from mental discipline, not dissimilar to Magic which mental aspects plays a role, it is just the former can’t be interacted with under normal circumstances. Gajeel became stronger with his power up and became able to permanently affect Bloodman. That is a weaker GS since he is a deadman. Natsu had several advantages in his fights, not by himself all the time

Trying to read this post is taking more effort than actually formulating a response lol.

1) Natsu used his own power to enter dragon force. He didnt eat anything for a power up for the entirety of the Aldoron arc. Natsu, with his own power, hits harder than Brandish and Gajeel combined.

2) Gajeel is stronger than Lucy in regular size. Brandish made Gajeel bigger than she made Lucy. If you believe Lucy was capable of dealing significant damage to Mercphobia, then Aldoron would simply be stronger than Mercphobia.

3) Aldoron straight up defeated giant Gajeel. Aldoron's thorns pierced Gajeel. We can see the thorn so straight through Gajeel's body and blood splatter from it. The act of shrinking back down closed the wound. If Gajeel had remained giant sized, he would have had a giant hole in him. Saying "shock value" means absolutely nothing.

4) Hakune defeated Natsu by preventing him from using his fire magic. Had Natsu been smart enough to switch up his magic, like Gray did, he could have just used lightning to oneshot her. In any case, this doesnt have anything to do with Natsu's physical strength. Natsu would bully Mimi in a contest of physical strength.

To be fair he was at a disadvantage against God Serena

Gajeel? In what way? He was just weaker.

 

[Ratrace]

Yup.



Trying to read this post is taking more effort than actually formulating a response lol.

1) Natsu used his own power to enter dragon force. He didnt eat anything for a power up for the entirety of the Aldoron arc. Natsu, with his own power, hits harder than Brandish and Gajeel combined.

2) Gajeel is stronger than Lucy in regular size. Brandish made Gajeel bigger than she made Lucy. If you believe Lucy was capable of dealing significant damage to Mercphobia, then Aldoron would simply be stronger than Mercphobia.

3) Aldoron straight up defeated giant Gajeel. Aldoron's thorns pierced Gajeel. We can see the thorn so straight through Gajeel's body and blood splatter from it. The act of shrinking back down closed the wound. If Gajeel had remained giant sized, he would have had a giant hole in him. Saying "shock value" means absolutely nothing.



Gajeel? In what way? He was just weaker.

That too but even if he was around the same level he would still have a hard time because God Serena was mostly using magic that could counter his

 

[WoWfan]

Yes and? That is still a power up with his own transformation as he is powering up. Sure but didn’t hit harder before the big nerfs. That is because Gajeel was much weaker than before the size change which determines the size of characters. That still does not change Lucy with Brandish power is stronger against FP DG than weakened large Gajeel against N DG. Gajeel was in base when he was giant, Aldoron defeated Natsu who was in base was well before he powered up. Again, shock value as he shrank before it actual hit him, so it is an afterimage, no, the wound would stay the same if it actually hit him. Which is a physical force applied by mental will, it would likely not have worked with lightning either, it worked because of spirita which allowed them to use more mental fortitude to match their enemies

 

[GodSlayer666]

They can’t resist the elements themselves, just their attributes. They can be damaged by the elements, just less so for things like cold, hot, wet, shock, etc.. not the physical damage that elements do like every other attack.

Even if it can damage it just not worth it as he know element users can resist their own attribute

 

[Ratrace]

Even if it can damage it just not worth it as he know element users can resist their own attribute

I thought that was mostly just slayers