Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[reesestl]

Evidence?

Evidence?

If the two statements were true, that would imply the last statement. However, current Jura is not comparable to Laxus or Erza in terms of feats. If one tier is defined to be the difference between Laxus and Jura, Erza would not be one tier below Laxus.


Seems about right.

ok, i think tier 1 is medium difficulty. So, zura is from his defeat in GMG.
Laxus and erza, from common ranking within the guild that, top 3 are Laxus, gildart , mystogan(ex), then Erza and and Mira, followed by Natsu, gray and gajeel and so on.

 

[Vici]

My rank i'm not including hax magic users :P
Fairy tail and other guilds
1-Laxus and Jellal
2-Gildartz
3-Natsu and Gray
4-Gajeel,Erza,Mira,Kagura,Macbeth,WS
5-Minerva,Twin Dragons,OS,Bachuus,Rufus,Orga
6-Wendy , Juvia , Lyon
7-Lucy,Elfman(?),Sherria
8-Far belove rest
Dark side :
1-Acnologia
2-Zeref
3-August and Neinhart ( i hope )
4-Statham,Bloodman,Invel,Serena and uknown
5-Wahl and Ajeel
Characters not included : Dimaria,Meldy,Brandish

 

[Aizen]

What really bugs me is when people hold a set of beliefs which are incompatible. A lot of this comes from too much wishful thinking (GOI are the strongest mages in Ishgar! Ajeel is weakest Spriggan!!) while ignoring the evidence that contradicts it. For example, the following is not uncommon on this forum:

1) One tier is a meaningful difference of strength.
2) Ajeel is one tier (or more) above Erza.
3) Individual GOI (Hyberion) or Jura > Erza.

Let's temporarily assume that all of the above are true. Erza is one tier below Ajeel due to being "low-diffed" by Sand World, Ajeel's strongest spell. But the combined GOI didn't even scratch non-serious Serena in their offpanel fight, and their combo attack against unguarded Serena failed to deal any significant damage. And God Serena instantly fodderized them with casual DS magic. Based on the above definition of one tier, the combined GOI would be three tiers or more below Serena. The GOI individually are weaker than the GOI combined by two tiers (Hyberion + Wolfheim + Warrod + Jura >> Hyberion obviously), meaning there would be about a five tier difference between Hyberion and God Serena. Hyberion would be about as strong as Ajeel, so God Serena would be five tiers above Ajeel. And August >> God Serena, so he would be about seven tiers higher than Ajeel.

What this essentially says is that the Spriggan 12 cover eight different tiers (1-2 Spriggans per tier) with significant power differences between each tier. Meaning that August would probably one-shot the 6 weakest Spriggans combined with casual country level attacks. And beat Ajeel with a sneeze. In case this has not been made adequately clear yet, this scenario is ridiculous. The logical course of action would be to conclude that at least one of the three statements we started with must be incorrect. Replacing Erza with Laxus and Ajeel with Wahl gives a slightly less common, but no less unlikely set of beliefs.

Really like this post, i honestly think at this point in less God Serena is mentioned as being more powerful than most of the spriggans we have to go ahead thinking that GOI are weaker than most of Fairy tail's higher ups meaning Laxus,Gildarts,Erza,Mira,Gray,Gajeel and Natsu, I could be wrong but with what we have that's the obvious answer.

 

[BluePegasus]

My rank i'm not including hax magic users :P
Fairy tail and other guilds
1-Laxus and Jellal
2-Gildartz
3-Natsu and Gray
4-Gajeel,Erza,Mira,Kagura,Macbeth,WS
5-Minerva,Twin Dragons,OS,Bachuus,Rufus,Orga
6-Wendy , Juvia , Lyon
7-Lucy,Elfman(?),Sherria
8-Far belove rest
Dark side :
1-Acnologia
2-Zeref
3-August and Neinhart ( i hope )
4-Statham,Bloodman,Invel,Serena and uknown
5-Wahl and Ajeel
Characters not included : Dimaria,Meldy,Brandish

I agree with you. I'd only put Minerva at the 4th rank since I think she's more or less equal with Kagura and Erza. It's nice that you put Macbeth so high because I think the same. Macbeth shouldn't be underestimated. Magic can't do a lot against him plus he can create illusions.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

What really bugs me is when people hold a set of beliefs which are incompatible. A lot of this comes from too much wishful thinking (GOI are the strongest mages in Ishgar! Ajeel is weakest Spriggan!!) while ignoring the evidence that contradicts it. For example, the following is not uncommon on this forum:

1) One tier is a meaningful difference of strength.
2) Ajeel is one tier (or more) above Erza.
3) Individual GOI (Hyberion) or Jura > Erza.

I see your point about how the Gods of Ishgar are inaccurately portrayed as the strongest mages in Isghar and how Ajeel is underestimated as the weakest Spriggan since we haven't seen all of them yet. However, I think when people say tier, they are referring to a tier within the Spriggans. Also, a tier is subjective as it depends on how one separates the difference in strength.

Let's temporarily assume that all of the above are true. Erza is one tier below Ajeel due to being "low-diffed" by Sand World, Ajeel's strongest spell. But the combined GOI didn't even scratch non-serious Serena in their offpanel fight, and their combo attack against unguarded Serena failed to deal any significant damage. And God Serena instantly fodderized them with casual DS magic. Based on the above definition of one tier, the combined GOI would be three tiers or more below Serena. The GOI individually are weaker than the GOI combined by two tiers (Hyberion + Wolfheim + Warrod + Jura >> Hyberion obviously), meaning there would be about a five tier difference between Hyberion and God Serena. Hyberion would be about as strong as Ajeel, so God Serena would be five tiers above Ajeel. And August >> God Serena, so he would be about seven tiers higher than Ajeel.

What this essentially says is that the Spriggan 12 cover eight different tiers (1-2 Spriggans per tier) with significant power differences between each tier. Meaning that August would probably one-shot the 6 weakest Spriggans combined with casual country level attacks. And beat Ajeel with a sneeze. In case this has not been made adequately clear yet, this scenario is ridiculous. The logical course of action would be to conclude that at least one of the three statements we started with must be incorrect. Replacing Erza with Laxus and Ajeel with Wahl gives a slightly less common, but no less unlikely set of beliefs.

I'm not sure if I follow this explanation but if you can clarify it for me, then I would appreciate it. From what I can gather, I assume you are saying that Erza is one tier below Ajeel. But I can't see how that would help in classifying the Gods of Ishgar or God Serena. Are you saying that, individually, the Gods of Ishgar are one tier below God Serena? If so, that would mean that combined, they are one-third of a tier below God Serena because we would divide it. Essentially, this would mean that Hyberion is still one tier below God Serena. The part where you mention about God Serena compared to Ajeel and August would be determined by how much a person would put one above the other.

In my opinion, the Spriggan 12 don't cover that many tiers. I don't quite understand the rest because I can't follow what you're trying to say. Sorry.

Really like this post, i honestly think at this point in less God Serena is mentioned as being more powerful than most of the spriggans we have to go ahead thinking that GOI are weaker than most of Fairy tail's higher ups meaning Laxus,Gildarts,Erza,Mira,Gray,Gajeel and Natsu, I could be wrong but with what we have that's the obvious answer.

I can agree with you that God Serena is probably one of the most powerful Spriggan just from his feats alone but how would that determine that the Gods of Ishgar are weaker than Fairy Tail's top mages. If anything, it would prove that the Gods of Ishgar were against tougher opponents and that would actually hype their powers. The misconception here is that people think the off-paneled fight was to prove that the Gods of Ishgar are weak. However, I disagree with that because the fight was to show how strong God Serena actually was. Hiro Mashima probably ended God Serena through Acnologia because he was getting out of hand in terms of power. The reason we were given for God Serena's death was because Acnologia smelled a "dragon" which was obviously because of God Serena's attacks. True, but at the same time, Natsu used Igneel's flames which would be a better indicator of a "dragon", except Acnologia never appeared. Anyways, I still believe the Gods of Ishgar may well be comparable to Fairy Tail's higher ranked mages as none of them have fought an opponent of God Serena's level yet.

 

[Aizen]

I see your point about how the Gods of Ishgar are inaccurately portrayed as the strongest mages in Isghar and how Ajeel is underestimated as the weakest Spriggan since we haven't seen all of them yet. However, I think when people say tier, they are referring to a tier within the Spriggans. Also, a tier is subjective as it depends on how one separates the difference in strength.



I'm not sure if I follow this explanation but if you can clarify it for me, then I would appreciate it. From what I can gather, I assume you are saying that Erza is one tier below Ajeel. But I can't see how that would help in classifying the Gods of Ishgar or God Serena. Are you saying that, individually, the Gods of Ishgar are one tier below God Serena? If so, that would mean that combined, they are one-third of a tier below God Serena because we would divide it. Essentially, this would mean that Hyberion is still one tier below God Serena. The part where you mention about God Serena compared to Ajeel and August would be determined by how much a person would put one above the other.

In my opinion, the Spriggan 12 don't cover that many tiers. I don't quite understand the rest because I can't follow what you're trying to say. Sorry.

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I can agree with you that God Serena is probably one of the most powerful Spriggans just from his feats alone but how would that determine that the Gods of Ishgar are weaker than Fairy Tail's top mages. If anything, it would prove that the Gods of Ishgar were against tougher opponents and actually hype their powers. The misconception here is that people think the off-paneled fight was to prove that the Gods of Ishgar are weak. However, I disagree with that because, if anything, the fight was to show how strong God Serena actually was. Hiro Mashima probably ended God Serena through Acnologia because he was getting out of hand in terms of power. The reason we were given for God Serena's death was because Acnologia smelled a "dragon" which was obviously because of God Serena's attacks. True, but at the same time, Natsu used Igneel's flames which would be a better indicator of a "dragon", except Acnologia never appeared. Anyways, I still believe the Gods of Ishgar may well be comparable to Fairy Tail's higher ranked mages as none of them have fought an opponent of God Serena's level yet.

Yeah i think you misinterpreted what i said i personally do not believe God Serena to be more powerful than any other spriggan except August due to there being nothing stated in the manga to say otherwise, My point was that in less you believe that he is more powerful than most spriggans than the Fairy tail members i listed are most certainly more powerful than almost all the GOI member individually as even 4 of them together could not do any lasting damage to what i believe to be a spriggan in God Serena that is no more powerful than Ajeel or Wall.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Yeah i think you misinterpreted what i said i personally do not believe God Serena to be more powerful than any other spriggan except August due to there being nothing stated in the manga to say otherwise, My point was that in less you believe that he is more powerful than most spriggans than the Fairy tail members i listed are most certainly more powerful than almost all the GOI member individually as even 4 of them together could not do any lasting damage to what i believe to be a spriggan in God Serena that is no more powerful than Ajeel or Wall.

Oh. Yeah, I misunderstood your post. Sorry about that. I actually agree with you except the fact that God Serena is comparable to the likes of Wahl or Ajeel but other than that, I see what you're trying to say.

 

[Aizen]

Oh. Yeah, I misunderstood your post. Sorry about that. I actually agree with you except the fact that God Serena is comparable to the likes of Wahl or Ajeel but other than that, I see what you're trying to say.

Yeah np, Who knows i could be wrong and God Serena comes back and is proven more powerful than Ajeel or Wall are i just don't think there is enough yet to state that.

 

[iDooom]

I see your point about how the Gods of Ishgar are inaccurately portrayed as the strongest mages in Isghar and how Ajeel is underestimated as the weakest Spriggan since we haven't seen all of them yet. However, I think when people say tier, they are referring to a tier within the Spriggans. Also, a tier is subjective as it depends on how one separates the difference in strength.

Yeah, people gave too much credit to the GOI when the only thing we knew about them was that they were stronger than Jura. And they are, but not by that much. Generally when people say Erza is one tier below a Spriggan, they imply that Erza is significantly weaker and unable to fight them 1v1.

I'm not sure if I follow this explanation but if you can clarify it for me, then I would appreciate it. From what I can gather, I assume you are saying that Erza is one tier below Ajeel. But I can't see how that would help in classifying the Gods of Ishgar or God Serena. Are you saying that, individually, the Gods of Ishgar are one tier below God Serena? If so, that would mean that combined, they are one-third of a tier below God Serena because we would divide it. Essentially, this would mean that Hyberion is still one tier below God Serena. The part where you mention about God Serena compared to Ajeel and August would be determined by how much a person would put one above the other.

In my opinion, the Spriggan 12 don't cover that many tiers. I don't quite understand the rest because I can't follow what you're trying to say. Sorry.

What I'm saying is that the GOI combined are more than 1 tier below God Serena, given the outcome of the fight. Then the individual GOI are even weaker than the combined GOI, which forces a ridiculous power gap between August and Ajeel. It is true that the Spriggan 12 will not cover so many tiers, so one of the starting statements is false. So either Erza is Spriggan tier, Erza > GOI (individual), or the tiers are too narrow.

ok, i think tier 1 is medium difficulty. So, zura is from his defeat in GMG.
Laxus and erza, from common ranking within the guild that, top 3 are Laxus, gildart , mystogan(ex), then Erza and and Mira, followed by Natsu, gray and gajeel and so on.

Jura could be 1 tier below Laxus at GMG, but he certainly isn't that strong now.

Which time period are you referring to with that ranking? Mystogan is overrated and never had a good fight, but was hyped to be on the same level as Erza and Laxus pre-first timeskip. Gildarts's power is debatable, but I'm pretty sure he's not close to August level like some people think.

 

[reesestl]

Jura could be 1 tier below Laxus at GMG, but he certainly isn't that strong now.

Which time period are you referring to with that ranking? Mystogan is overrated and never had a good fight, but was hyped to be on the same level as Erza and Laxus pre-first timeskip. Gildarts's power is debatable, but I'm pretty sure he's not close to August level like some people think.

I am going by what is being said in the show. Hyped by whom, readers or in the story?

 

[iDooom]

I am going by what is being said in the show.

? What do you mean by this?

Hyped by whom, readers or in the story?

Mystogan was hyped that way by the story. See: http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/24/17 and http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/112/3.

 

[reesestl]

? What do you mean by this?

Mystogan was hyped that way by the story. See: http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/24/17 and http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/112/3.

I mean, I am going by the links u sent. You say hyped in he story, but that is Mashima's story, he gets to decide their strength levels. U can disagree wih other readers here, but u can't disagree with him on his own story.

 

[Firepower]

I'm starting to wonder if Acnologia should really be at the top. Without a doubt he has the greatest amount of physical and magical power, but magic abilities can change all that. Can Dimaria freeze Acno in time, Brandish shrink him, or if Evergreen can turn him to stone(clash of titans style?) Zeref should bring back Kyoka to remove all of Acnologia's senses. Then Mest who can take away or change his memories. Obra reduces magic to zero. Doriate reduces physical and magic strength, making them younger. Rufus could copy all of their magic too. He'd be the most dangerous. It seems as if it doesn't take much magic power for these bs abilities.

I wanted Dimaria to be strong where it would take Erza and Kagura combined to beat her, where Dimaria's sword swing would send everyone flying and be destroying the ground, that they'd be moving so fast needing a lot of space to fight. Instead she's one of the few with a ridiculously effective ability that can't be fought against. Seeing someone turned to stone, or having magic taken away, or any of the other bs abilities is just anticlimactic and ruins it. Wish these spells never existed or that there was at least some way to counter it and fight back.

 

[Brandish μ]

I would need to see hax do anything to Acnologia before believing it's possible that someone like DiMaria or Brandish could use their magic effectively against Acno in combat. DiMaria could stop time to try and defeat Acnologia, but if she can't bust through his level of toughness then infinite time wouldn't solve anything. Imo Age Seal would just give her a chance to run away. Brandish can shrink anything but we've yet to see how that works in combat. Can she shrink moving targets? Can she shrink something as magically powerful as Acnologia? Imo hax is easier to hype than anything else because it seems so powerful, but in the end it's really no better than straight up brawling. So it comes down to power and physical attributes in most cases, and this is where Acno stands head and shoulders above all.

In terms of hax, the most strongest hax against dragons would be future Rogue's subjugation magic. Yet, despite this being a dragan slayer magic, it had no effect on Acnologia. Even though Acno is also a slayer, when he is a dragon, DS magic is effective against him (hence the plan to send the 5 DS to the future).

August seems like he'll have any magic at his disposal (apart from DS magic). I'm betting he'll have levels of hax that emulates Di Maria or Brandish, have offence that is on par(at the very least) with God Serena or Wahl Icht, and have Jutsu Shiki level defensive barriers at his disposal. Yet this person knew he couldn't defeat Acnologia, and mentioned that Zeref could if Zeref had Fairy Heart (infinite magic).

I've got Acnologia at the very top, by a fair margin. I think the person who will get closest to that level is dragon force Natsu.

 

[Firepower]

I would need to see hax do anything to Acnologia before believing it's possible that someone like DiMaria or Brandish could use their magic effectively against Acno in combat. DiMaria could stop time to try and defeat Acnologia, but if she can't bust through his level of toughness then infinite time wouldn't solve anything. Imo Age Seal would just give her a chance to run away. Brandish can shrink anything but we've yet to see how that works in combat. Can she shrink moving targets? Can she shrink something as magically powerful as Acnologia? Imo hax is easier to hype than anything else because it seems so powerful, but in the end it's really no better than straight up brawling. So it comes down to power and physical attributes in most cases, and this is where Acno stands head and shoulders above all.

In terms of hax, the most strongest hax against dragons would be future Rogue's subjugation magic. Yet, despite this being a dragan slayer magic, it had no effect on Acnologia. Even though Acno is also a slayer, when he is a dragon, DS magic is effective against him (hence the plan to send the 5 DS to the future).

August seems like he'll have any magic at his disposal (apart from DS magic). I'm betting he'll have levels of hax that emulates Di Maria or Brandish, have offence that is on par(at the very least) with God Serena or Wahl Icht, and have Jutsu Shiki level defensive barriers at his disposal. Yet this person knew he couldn't defeat Acnologia, and mentioned that Zeref could if Zeref had Fairy Heart (infinite magic).

I've got Acnologia at the very top, by a fair margin. I think the person who will get closest to that level is dragon force Natsu.

Who knows. Mest could probably teleport behind Acnologia and alter his memory, brainwashing him to believe his life was much worse than Itachi's that he should kill himself. Or make Acno forget all about magic and replace it with knitting. Just kidding Changing their memories isnt likey gonna change their personality. Maybe Mest himself is a ds because both he and the dragons have the ability to alter memories. If I remember it right dragons are only capable of changing human memories. So a dragon might be inside him that took his memory away of being a ds, which he will be able to regain once the dragon inside him alters his memory with what's really happened. Dimaria could wait for Acno to release a powerful dragon roar, stop time, and drag Acnologia in front of his own attacks. That's if she has immense strength to carry him there. Not that it would kill Acno. Point is hax magic sucks imo.

 

[Ichibei]

It does, especially if not explained properly

 

[Kiki]

I personally think hax magic is just the way Mashima makes the antagonists look so fierce and creates the tension (black intimidating aura appears out of nowhere lol). Indeed, being not explained properly is irritating, I admit that. But still, like Itachi said, there must be one weakness or two.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I'm starting to wonder if Acnologia should really be at the top. Without a doubt he has the greatest amount of physical and magical power, but magic abilities can change all that. Can Dimaria freeze Acno in time, Brandish shrink him, or if Evergreen can turn him to stone(clash of titans style?) Zeref should bring back Kyoka to remove all of Acnologia's senses. Then Mest who can take away or change his memories. Obra reduces magic to zero. Doriate reduces physical and magic strength, making them younger. Rufus could copy all of their magic too. He'd be the most dangerous. It seems as if it doesn't take much magic power for these bs abilities.

I wanted Dimaria to be strong where it would take Erza and Kagura combined to beat her, where Dimaria's sword swing would send everyone flying and be destroying the ground, that they'd be moving so fast needing a lot of space to fight. Instead she's one of the few with a ridiculously effective ability that can't be fought against. Seeing someone turned to stone, or having magic taken away, or any of the other bs abilities is just anticlimactic and ruins it. Wish these spells never existed or that there was at least some way to counter it and fight back.

I hope the whole Acno not being the strongest is a joke.

 

[Firepower]

I hope the whole Acno not being the strongest is a joke.

You need to lighten up. You need to get the gist of what's being said, not just the first sentence.

 

[Axiomus]

Who knows. Mest could probably teleport behind Acnologia and alter his memory, brainwashing him to believe his life was much worse than Itachi's that he should kill himself. Or make Acno forget all about magic and replace it with knitting. Just kidding Changing their memories isnt likey gonna change their personality. Maybe Mest himself is a ds because both he and the dragons have the ability to alter memories. If I remember it right dragons are only capable of changing human memories. So a dragon might be inside him that took his memory away of being a ds, which he will be able to regain once the dragon inside him alters his memory with what's really happened. Dimaria could wait for Acno to release a powerful dragon roar, stop time, and drag Acnologia in front of his own attacks. That's if she has immense strength to carry him there. Not that it would kill Acno. Point is hax magic sucks imo.

The power gap between Acnologia and the Spriggan is simply far too great. Acnologia isn't portrayed as something that a single mage can stand up against. He's being portrayed as an entire faction of his own in the war between Ishgar and Alvarez. We know from Rogue's future that Acnologia eventually won, so power ranking for Acnologia really looks like this:

Acnologia > Alvarez > Ishgar

If Acnologia showed up in his dragon form, it wouldn't matter if Dimaria could stop time. She would exhaust herself trying to attack him before he is defeated.