Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Firepower]

The only other form that should be talked about is dragonforce(df). The others don't matter. Why say lightning fire dragon. It's his magic that he absorbed and got. I don't often see shadow iron dragon or shadow steel dragon. Igneel powered Natsu is gone. It was used so fast. Not coming back so mentioning it is unnecessary. It's different from lacrima or Gray's slayer magic which are permanent. Lacrima did help Sting and Rogue use df at will. The only reason why df is allowed is because that is a power Natsu has that he can't Use when he wants to. Only when he's in extremely desperate situations does it sometimes come out, which was against Laxus and Mard Geer. He had to eat etherion to gain that power to beat Jellal. So until he can actually use it at will, then df Natsu is ok. Natsu or df Natsu should be the only two Natsu's we see.

@NoHana Lucy does not have hax magic. In that comment I was just saying the things to consider when ranking mages. Lucy does have tremendous magic power, but lacks the fighting skills in actual combat. She froze when Jacob threw a dagger at her. If Natsu wasn't there she'd probably have been hurt. Timing and reaction which is part of skills count too. Some mages don't use their magic that much like swordsman and hand to hand combat mages. Some rely more on physical abilities. Some are skilled. Lucy is strong but needs to work on warrior mentality and skills. Magic alone doesn't win fights. Lucy is getting there though. I wouldn't count on the CSP too much because she is limited to the number of keys she has. Maybe some day when Lucy gets better at what she does she will be able to summon the CSP without sacrificing anything. And then maybe wear a CSP star dress.

If Natsu can activate df whenever he wants, he will be stronger than pretty much all Ishgar mages. He already beat Laxus and Jellal with dragon force long ago. But if he can't turn on df then he is still behind others. Maybe. He did get serious with Jacob after they got out of the guild and finished it in one attack. Natsu is the main character so I'm not sure if Mashima will allow Laxus to have df. Natsu is younger than Laxus so it's natural for him to have started weaker than Laxus. One thing for sure is that Jacob did hit Natsu several times without turning invisible. Natsu is more on power than skills. That's why he usually gets hit a lot in fights. Defensive skills aren't at the top. The best he did with defensive skills was against Sting and Rogue after he and Gajeel said they now know how they move and can read their attacks. But destructive magic power is what Natsu is the best at.

 

[Arjuna]

I have Placed Lucy,Freed and Juvia Higher.Added Bluenote.

I totally see your point. And you are right. I never understood why people really separated Natsu's different forms. When ranking characters, we should always use their full potential as their overall power. At this point, I am not too thrilled that Natsu has, yet again another power-up, in addition to 3 others which are LFD, DF, and Igneel's Power. The only problem with this, which may very well be the reason why people separate Natsu's powers, is that it covers such a wide range of tiers. Base Natsu to FDK Natsu is such a big jump especially from just one-shotting Bluenote + fighting Avatar fodders + fighting Bakel to one-shotting a Spriggan. Like you mentioned, someone like Wendy doesn't get separated into Base and DF because she will only increase by 1 tier if that.

Now, I've mentioned in a past thread dating back to like 15 chapters ago, that I've always considered Jacob Lessio not worthy of being a Spriggan. Some users disagreed with me but I always saw Jacob as either All or Nothing. In this case, Jacob ended up contradicting himself when he called everyone fodders because apparently he is one. This brings me to my last point.

Because Hiro Mashima hasn't been able to convince us that Jacob is a high-tier Spriggan with feats, we as viewers must also take into account that Jacob was indeed one-shotted by an attack that notably took out the War God, Ikusa-Tsunagi. The real question that comes up in my mind here was, is Jacob really a fodder based on his disappointing feats or are we all interpreting it wrong and that Jacob was actually really strong but unfortunately was taken out by someone on a whole different tier? Similar to how Acnologia one-shotted God Serena although that situation is a little more defined. Also, because FDKM is not Igneel's power, is it stronger than DF?

Even though I wasn't particularly a fan of last chapter, there still needs to be more information before any of us can really rank the Spriggans or Natsu in particular.

I don't think It is right to blame Jacob like.He got One Shotted by a High Powered Spell.I Bet All Mid Tier or Low Tier Spriggans will be taken out by this like Ajeel,Wahl,Dimaria without Her Time Magic.

 

[Brandish μ]

I don't downgrade Jacob. He's no less of a fighter than DiMaria. They have hax that needs to be countered to for you to actually defeat them. Jacob has spatial magic that can displace a Spriggan-tier (Brandish) in battle, along with everyone in the guild. Jacob was also dominant over Natsu while using stealth magic. It took Lucy's intervention to give Natsu the chance to bring him down. Jacob just doesn't inspire in offence.

As for Natsu, I've been operating under the assumption that he could use FDK spells on his own. So the mode doesn't really change things for me. What does change is that now FDK spells have a feat of finishing a Spriggan who wasn't really hurt. Moreover, demolishing strike should actually be below a FDK roar, and if there are FDK secret arts, then demolishing strike might actually be a low-end FDK move. (note: demolishing strike and demolition fist are the same thing, the latter actually sounds better).

Ranks of people who have feats this arc.

Zeref, IgNatsu, August(hype)

Laxus, Natsu
Wahl, God Serena, DiMaria, Ajeel, Jacob

Erza, Hyberion
Wolfheim, Warrod, Jura, Makarov
TO-Sherria, Gray, Gajeel, Kagura, Mirajane, Lucy.

The rest.

Not sure where Gray, Gajeel, Mira, Kagura rate, but Lucy did well enough to be put at their level for now. I'm thinking Gray/Gajeel will be either equal to or above Erza, while I'm quite confident Erza is better than Mira/Kagura. Marin is either equal to or below Lucy.

 

[BluePegasus]

I am stuck between these two arguing about Mira. One thinks Mira is lowest tier, other thinks Mira can one shot Gajeel. Balance guys, Mira is just like any standard strong FT mage, she is impressive in battle even though she voids fighting, and she is nowhere that strong that she can one shot Gajeel.....lol.

Mira one shotting Gajeel? LMAO Gajeel is getting underestimated, he's stronger than Mira.

Mira isn't a 'standard '. I think her strength is being underestimated here. Please give me on feat Gajeel has better than Mirajane. Okay, maybe he has better defence since he can turn into a shadow, but Mirajane's speed can easily keep up with that. There is only one attack needed to defeat him. Or she just use Macro to make him strangle himself.

I could never understand people that give a low rank and underestimate Mira and Lucy .

I would took example from erza

Lets just forget about the past 1 years . Mira had gotten stronger now and he had a freaking macro .
There's no way erza or GAJEEL can defeat her .
Just becoz you like the other character that doesn't necessarily means that they're stronger than the other and just becoz Mira didn't fight much didn't means that she is WEAKER than other character .

^^^^This. Well said.

 

[Firepower]

I don't downgrade Jacob. He's no less of a fighter than DiMaria. They have hax that needs to be countered to for you to actually defeat them. Jacob has spatial magic that can displace a Spriggan-tier (Brandish) in battle, along with everyone in the guild. Jacob was also dominant over Natsu while using stealth magic. It took Lucy's intervention to give Natsu the chance to bring him down. Jacob just doesn't inspire in offence.

As for Natsu, I've been operating under the assumption that he could use FDK spells on his own. So the mode doesn't really change things for me. What does change is that now FDK spells have a feat of finishing a Spriggan who wasn't really hurt. Moreover, demolishing strike should actually be below a FDK roar, and if there are FDK secret arts, then demolishing strike might actually be a low-end FDK move. (note: demolishing strike and demolition fist are the same thing, the latter actually sounds better).

Ranks of people who have feats this arc.

Zeref, IgNatsu, August(hype)

Laxus, Natsu
Wahl, God Serena, DiMaria, Ajeel, Jacob

Erza, Hyberion
Wolfheim, Warrod, Jura, Makarov
TO-Sherria, Gray, Gajeel, Kagura, Mirajane, Lucy.

The rest.

Not sure where Gray, Gajeel, Mira, Kagura rate, but Lucy did well enough to be put at their level for now. I'm thinking Gray/Gajeel will be either equal to or above Erza, while I'm quite confident Erza is better than Mira/Kagura. Marin is either equal to or below Lucy.

So you'd consider Jacob's assassin magic very effective against Natsu, who was holding back a lot of power to keep from melting the guild base? Yet you don't know where to put Gray after he and Natsu fought equally in the Avatar arc. What are you gonna say, that you don't know how much they held back on one another? But Natsu obviously held back and could have blow up everything within a large radius to get Jacob if he wanted. Yet still consider it effective against Natsu while ignoring the conditions of the fight. That means your reasoning is off. How you rate Natsu and Jacob is questionable when one of them is so powerful that everything and everyone burns, melts and Jacob was screaming 'HOT!!!' from Natsu simply releasing his power before actuly attacking Jacob.

How do you come up with a ranking for Jacob with that alone? He told Jacob and even Makarov not to mess up the place. But you can't rate Natsu or Gray when they fought in the prison? That's because we cannot rate anyone who didn't go all out. Even if both held back and were evenly matched, that doesn't mean they are holding back the same amount of strength. It doesn't mean they have equal power. So as long as one or both are not giving their all, rating them is difficult specially with these conditions. I can understand how strong someone is who is winning and isn't giving his all against someone who is fighting with full power, but losing because of holding back makes it difficult to gauge. Right after Gray and Natsu fought, they beat the army, went to get the guild master, planned for war which happened like that night, so avatar and Alvarez arcs are pretty much the same in power ranking. It's not that simple to just base it on what you see. If Erza was giving birth and all of the sudden Lucy tries to fight her right there and was winning would you say Lucy's magic is very effective and she is very strong or would you consider the conditions, circumstances?

 

[reesestl]

Guys do you think Gildarts went all out yet? Is his magic power so strong causing him to not be able to keep it under control or does he suck at controlling his magic? Did he really use his full magic power on Tenrou or was he holding back because the others might've gotten caught in his attacks? He certainly did not look tired after his fight.

He hasn't gone all out in any fight. The fight against Blunote was pretty easy and decided after a brief exchange (ignoring the non-magic part). But I think the power-up infront of Natsu was to his fullest extent or pretty close.
I think he can't control his magic. There are ppl who spend their lives trying to increase their MP and others learning to use it efficiently. Hard to do both. Somehow he looks like the type who cares more about the former. If you watch Bleach, I think he is more Ichigo or Kenpachi than Unohana or Ishida.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

I can't really see what your point is , I think it is very clear who is stronger .

Anyways , nope Lucy did not freak out when Jacob throw that knife and I think it is just a ways of mashima making natsu comeback .

As far as I know lucy magic definitely hax and she didn't even shown what she could really do . I think when mashima said Lucy had a power beyond humanity already prove how hax her magic is .

And nope , having less skill in combat battle doesn't means that you're weaker . So far lucy had shown much more combat capabilities than makarov .



In my opinion Lucy is definitely a powerhouse , have shown much more larger damage than what erza could do.

Let just forget about csk , Lucy could defeat erza by trapping her using Gemini...
And actually I already said this before , CSK is her power so I don't really see a point when people said than she couldn't or won't use csk . It is a fight and if she bound to lose she will use whatever she have .

No, she hasn't shown more damage than what Erza could do. Erza was able injure a Spriggan and make said Spriggan use his strongest attack. Lucy has not shown a feat on this level (unless you want to prove to me that she has).

CSK is her power, but she won't use it in a fight where her and her friends' lives are NOT in danger. It's not in her character at all to sacrifice one of her beloved spirits that easily. Erza can requip faster than Lucy can summon her Spirits, so unless Lucy is starting off with Gemini in a fight, Erza could speed blitz her all around the place.

 

[Summer]

The only other form that should be talked about is dragonforce(df). The others don't matter. Why say lightning fire dragon. It's his magic that he absorbed and got. I don't often see shadow iron dragon or shadow steel dragon. Igneel powered Natsu is gone. It was used so fast. Not coming back so mentioning it is unnecessary. It's different from lacrima or Gray's slayer magic which are permanent. Lacrima did help Sting and Rogue use df at will. The only reason why df is allowed is because that is a power Natsu has that he can't Use when he wants to. Only when he's in extremely desperate situations does it sometimes come out, which was against Laxus and Mard Geer. He had to eat etherion to gain that power to beat Jellal. So until he can actually use it at will, then df Natsu is ok. Natsu or df Natsu should be the only two Natsu's we see.

@NoHana Lucy does not have hax magic. In that comment I was just saying the things to consider when ranking mages. Lucy does have tremendous magic power, but lacks the fighting skills in actual combat. She froze when Jacob threw a dagger at her. If Natsu wasn't there she'd probably have been hurt. Timing and reaction which is part of skills count too. Some mages don't use their magic that much like swordsman and hand to hand combat mages. Some rely more on physical abilities. Some are skilled. Lucy is strong but needs to work on warrior mentality and skills. Magic alone doesn't win fights. Lucy is getting there though. I wouldn't count on the CSP too much because she is limited to the number of keys she has. Maybe some day when Lucy gets better at what she does she will be able to summon the CSP without sacrificing anything. And then maybe wear a CSP star dress.

If Natsu can activate df whenever he wants, he will be stronger than pretty much all Ishgar mages. He already beat Laxus and Jellal with dragon force long ago. But if he can't turn on df then he is still behind others. Maybe. He did get serious with Jacob after they got out of the guild and finished it in one attack. Natsu is the main character so I'm not sure if Mashima will allow Laxus to have df. Natsu is younger than Laxus so it's natural for him to have started weaker than Laxus. One thing for sure is that Jacob did hit Natsu several times without turning invisible. Natsu is more on power than skills. That's why he usually gets hit a lot in fights. Defensive skills aren't at the top. The best he did with defensive skills was against Sting and Rogue after he and Gajeel said they now know how they move and can read their attacks. But destructive magic power is what Natsu is the best at.

Lol if you want to talk about hax magic Lucy definitely hax IMO.... like I said she never hit her limit yet...

Someone that doesn't have hax magic is someone like erza , the 3 Gods , jura etc.... they doesn't have hax magic but they still consider strong... so I don't really see a point there (correct me if I'm wrong)
Lack fighting skill? That still doesn't prove how strong or weak someone is..... if you want to go on with that Lucy have one shot many people with no magic and just using her combat abilities . That must have counts somehow Lol .and nope she did now froze.... she had that determined look that she could take the hit .... the usual Lucy would give the scare shit look but nope she didn't . Still didn't see anything wrong with what I said .

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No, she hasn't shown more damage than what Erza could do. Erza was able injure a Spriggan and make said Spriggan use his strongest attack. Lucy has not shown a feat on this level (unless you want to prove to me that she has).

CSK is her power, but she won't use it in a fight where her and her friends' lives are NOT in danger. It's not in her character at all to sacrifice one of her beloved spirits that easily. Erza can requip faster than Lucy can summon her Spirits, so unless Lucy is starting off with Gemini in a fight, Erza could speed blitz her all around the place.

Nope , erza didn't really did any damages to ajeel... just some scratch here and there... while Lucy have even destroy plutogrim.... that already shown that she done much more damage than what erza have shown so far .

Lol like I said IT IS A FIGHT (no offend)

P's so now no one want to discuss about Mira?

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Lol if you want to talk about hax magic Lucy definitely hax IMO.... like I said she never hit her limit yet...

Someone that doesn't have hax magic is someone like erza , the 3 Gods , jura etc.... they doesn't have hax magic but they still consider strong... so I don't really see a point there (correct me if I'm wrong)
Lack fighting skill? That still doesn't prove how strong or weak someone is..... if you want to go on with that Lucy have one shot many people with no magic and just using her combat abilities . That must have counts somehow Lol .and nope she did now froze.... she had that determined look that she could take the hit .... the usual Lucy would give the scare shit look but nope she didn't . Still didn't see anything wrong with what I said .

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Nope , erza didn't really did any damages to ajeel... just some scratch here and there... while Lucy have even destroy plutogrim.... that already shown that she done much more damage than what erza have shown so far .

Lol like I said IT IS A FIGHT (no offend)

Lucy destroyed Plutogrim through the use of the CSK. It's true that it's her own power, but she won't summon the CSK in a fight where her and her friends' lives are not in danger. Like I said, that goes against her character completely.

It wasn't just some scratches here and there. Have you ever had two deep slashes to the torso? I'm not talking from experience, but trust me, it does not feel like "simple scratches here and there". Lucy was unable to replicate such a feat against Jacob even when she surprised kicked him in the back of his head.

 

[Asorx]

Lucy destroyed Plutogrim through the use of the CSK. It's true that it's her own power, but she won't summon the CSK in a fight where her and her friends' lives are not in danger. Like I said, that goes against her character completely.

It wasn't just some scratches here and there. Have you ever had two deep slashes to the torso? I'm not talking from experience, but trust me, it does not feel like "simple scratches here and there". Lucy was unable to replicate such a feat against Jacob even when she surprised kicked him in the back of his head.

I think she couter him. If she do her all she can medium beat him.

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Just Lucy is very undarstimate and she just need good fight one vs one.

 

[Vici]

Some people may get really scared to just post something here and don't get killed :P
First of all i don't wanna start a holy war or argue with anyone but i will give my opinion on Lucy.These all discussion it's pointless imo FT show us few times that bad matchups can determine victory of one person and Lucy would be weak against character's that depends on speed and don't need to cast spell to do heavy damage example :Kagura,Erza . And characters that can perform fast long range pinpoint attack : Meldy.
Of course Lucy may shine in other fields ( when she will face other characters ) she is probably the most versatile mage atm and she still have many ways to improvement herself overall as a Mage thanks to that versatility.

Just Lucy is very undarstimate and she just need good fight one vs one.

From how things are going i think she won't have battle one vs one the only one left that will most likely appear there are : Invel,August,Zeref,Acnologia(?) :
-Acnologia and Zeref are out of question
-August probably will get out by a group of Mages :Lucy takes part.
-Invel - and this some would say he's destined to fight Gray but i want actually Lucy to spar with him but we will get again Ice vs ice ...

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

It is a fight.........

Is it a fight where her and her friends' lives are in danger?

@Asorx: I agree that Lucy can be underestimated at times. The thing is, we might not see her get her own 1v1 fight against a Spriggan. Hiro rarely ever lets her fight alone. She always ends up fighting with Natsu (like with the Kain and Franmalth fights).

 

[SirSamuel016]

I don't really see Lucy being that high in power rankings tbh. She hasn't really demonstrated anything which would give her a shot of solo'ing a Spriggan, so if she was to fight one she wouldn't win without some sort of help, be it from some other mages or via plot armour. At best, I'd put Lucy just below Wendy in terms of power rankings. Again, she hasn't shown that much in terms of power, and she hasn't really got anything to put her on the level of Wendy's Dragon Force, so I'd put Lucy there.
Here's how I currently see the protagonists:

Spoiler: Top 10 Protagonists in power rankings

Top 10 Protagonists as it currently stands:
Top Tier:
1. Natsu
2. Jellal
3. Laxus
High-Mid Tier:
4. Erza
5. Gajeel
6. Kagura and Minerva
7. Gray
Low tier:
8. Sting and Rogue (separately, fighting together they'd be ~5)
9. Wendy
10. Lucy, Juvia

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

The only other form that should be talked about is dragonforce(df). The others don't matter. Why say lightning fire dragon. It's his magic that he absorbed and got. I don't often see shadow iron dragon or shadow steel dragon. Igneel powered Natsu is gone. It was used so fast. Not coming back so mentioning it is unnecessary. It's different from lacrima or Gray's slayer magic which are permanent. Lacrima did help Sting and Rogue use df at will. The only reason why df is allowed is because that is a power Natsu has that he can't Use when he wants to. Only when he's in extremely desperate situations does it sometimes come out, which was against Laxus and Mard Geer. He had to eat etherion to gain that power to beat Jellal. So until he can actually use it at will, then df Natsu is ok. Natsu or df Natsu should be the only two Natsu's we see.

If Natsu can activate df whenever he wants, he will be stronger than pretty much all Ishgar mages. He already beat Laxus and Jellal with dragon force long ago. But if he can't turn on df then he is still behind others. Maybe. He did get serious with Jacob after they got out of the guild and finished it in one attack. Natsu is the main character so I'm not sure if Mashima will allow Laxus to have df. Natsu is younger than Laxus so it's natural for him to have started weaker than Laxus. One thing for sure is that Jacob did hit Natsu several times without turning invisible. Natsu is more on power than skills. That's why he usually gets hit a lot in fights. Defensive skills aren't at the top. The best he did with defensive skills was against Sting and Rogue after he and Gajeel said they now know how they move and can read their attacks. But destructive magic power is what Natsu is the best at.

Well Lightning Flame Dragon is still quite relevant. He can apparently use LFD with his own power now so I don't see why we would exclude it especially since it makes Natsu significantly stronger. I'm not saying I agree with how this form came about since it was inherited from Laxus but I'm just stating how it actually makes a different. For example, in Tartaros, Natsu could barely beat Franmalth in Base Form but pretty much destroyed him with LFD. From then, he fought Tempesta who he couldn't beat in Base Form once again to he had to resort to LFD in order to be on par. I also added in Igneel's Power here because even though it already ran out, he still once had it so people still rank him with Igneel's Power into separate tiers.

Now Dragon Force is different. Yes, activating DF at will is unknown at this point. But since he used it against Mard Geer, what sort of explanation do we have for it? To say that it was because of a desperate situation is kind of lacking in evidence. It makes sense that only Natsu and Wendy can activate DF at will so far only because they've shown to be capable of doing such a feat.

Although I agree that Natsu has a lot of attack which makes up for a lot of his overall power, I would say his defensive skills are also up there. I don't consider Jacob strong but the fact that Lucy was terrified of the knives thrown at her which could have killed her, and Natsu blocking it casually, I would think that Natsu has some durability. Also, Natsu was hit by Zeref's black magic was supposedly incinerates almost anything. Does Igneel's power or MP factor into his defense? Maybe, maybe not. The point here is that he still was able to fight afterwards.

I have Placed Lucy,Freed and Juvia Higher.Added Bluenote.

I don't think It is right to blame Jacob like.He got One Shotted by a High Powered Spell.I Bet All Mid Tier or Low Tier Spriggans will be taken out by this like Ajeel,Wahl,Dimaria without Her Time Magic.

I can agree that we shouldn't blame Jacob for being one-shotted by a powerful spell. That I don't deny. What really lowers Jacob in ranking is his overall feats. His character was a joke... Let's be completely honest here. When factoring all the stats including Intelligence into Jacob's power, Jacob is really disappointing. He hasn't shown any attack worthy of being a Spriggan.

First, let's analyze his magic. Jacob has spatial magic similar to Minerva or Marin Hollow. This already seemed like a disappointment to begin with especially since his powers was inflated to the point we thought he could kill somebody in one-shot considering he is an assassin. The fact that he didn't kill anyone but instead "transported" them to a different dimension without any side effects involved was not an impressive feat. Had everyone who was stuck in that dimension come back in a coma, I would see some use in Jacob's magic but so far, he performed the same feat that Marin did to Erza and Lucy except that Marin is weak...

Second, Jacob's skills. Apparently, he is a decent at CQC but really low at everything else. Jacob hasn't shown one attack that is high in attack power. Defense is inconclusive because Natsu used such a strong attack off the bat that even a weaker attack could have killed him. Speed is average. Jacob's invisibility made him seem fast but in reality, we clearly saw that he could not keep up. Jacob's invisibility is like Ajeel's intangibility. Sure it helped them in a battle but both can be countered and both didn't really help Jacob or Ajeel win because they didn't use their own advantages right... The last one here being intelligence. Now this is what I criticize Jacob the most of. Ajeel and Wahl may have lacked intelligence as well which ultimately lead to their defeat, but Jacob takes it to a whole different level to the point that Natsu is probably smarter than him.

The problem I have here is that he screwed up 2 times. The first time, he made Lucy's undergarments visible to try and weaken Natsu but ended up countering himself. First of all, never use magic that there is a possible risk to counter yourself. That should be obvious especially when it is your own magic. Second of all, does he really think that seeing a female's clothes is going to defeat Natsu just from a nosebleed? Yes, I know that this scene was for comedy reasons but in a Spriggan fight? Natsu has already seen Lucy without any clothes to begin with...

The second time, Lucy outsmarted him. I will admit I place Lucy very high on intelligence now but even so, Jacob shouldn't have fell for the trick. There is really nothing for me to explain here besides the fact that he solely relied on his "transport" to put pressure on Natsu and Lucy. The moment the plan failed, he fell apart as he let his guard down which resulted in Makarov punching him. Jacob really should have dodged that....

 

[Brandish μ]

So you'd consider Jacob's assassin magic very effective against Natsu, who was holding back a lot of power to keep from melting the guild base? Yet you don't know where to put Gray after he and Natsu fought equally in the Avatar arc. What are you gonna say, that you don't know how much they held back on one another? But Natsu obviously held back and could have blow up everything within a large radius to get Jacob if he wanted. Yet still consider it effective against Natsu while ignoring the conditions of the fight. That means your reasoning is off. How you rate Natsu and Jacob is questionable when one of them is so powerful that everything and everyone burns, melts and Jacob was screaming 'HOT!!!' from Natsu simply releasing his power before actuly attacking Jacob.

How do you come up with a ranking for Jacob with that alone? He told Jacob and even Makarov not to mess up the place. But you can't rate Natsu or Gray when they fought in the prison? That's because we cannot rate anyone who didn't go all out. Even if both held back and were evenly matched, that doesn't mean they are holding back the same amount of strength. It doesn't mean they have equal power. So as long as one or both are not giving their all, rating them is difficult specially with these conditions. I can understand how strong someone is who is winning and isn't giving his all against someone who is fighting with full power, but losing because of holding back makes it difficult to gauge. Right after Gray and Natsu fought, they beat the army, went to get the guild master, planned for war which happened like that night, so avatar and Alvarez arcs are pretty much the same in power ranking. It's not that simple to just base it on what you see. If Erza was giving birth and all of the sudden Lucy tries to fight her right there and was winning would you say Lucy's magic is very effective and she is very strong or would you consider the conditions, circumstances?

- Jacob has a feat of displacing Brandish, Marin and 111 FT members in to another dimension/space. Only Lucy can stop this due to Horologium, which also saved Natsu too. Now I don't know if Jacob can kill everyone in the other space, but I'd say he'd do rather well. Now as for Jacob v Natsu we saw Jacob winning in hand to hand, only Lucy's light powers through Loke was able to combat this. If you're suggesting Natsu can use FDKM to engulf the whole area in order to counter Jacob then that is reasonable, but it doesn't stop the fact that Jacob was handling Natsu quite well.

- Gray and Natsu were side by side in Avatar. By portrayal you can argue they are equals. Yet Natsu produced a feat which far outclassed anyone there when he destroyed the War God. That edges Natsu above. This doesn't mean Gray can't do something of that level, it means that Gray has not shown such power yet, his best feat is a defensive spell against Ajeel. You can hype Gray to be equal to Natsu, but I don't. It is on Gray to prove he is that strong, ie has the power to take down a Spriggan. The same goes for Natsu, he had to prove he was able to fight Spriggans to be considered the same as Laxus. He has done it, and can be ranked evenly with him. Though I'd say Laxus would beat Natsu(no DF).

- I've got Natsu above Jacob, if you haven't noticed. Again, without Lucy, Natsu is just as helpless as everyone else in the guild. Natsu is certainly more powerful in offence than Jacob. But like DiMaria, Jacob possesses a hax ability that can defy general fighting conditions. I tend to roll with the powerhouses over hax merchants, and thus have put Natsu above DiMaria/Jacob. I keep Wahl/God Serena equal to them as well, but if I was asked who is stronger I would go with Wahl/Serena by virtue of their powers.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I don't downgrade Jacob. He's no less of a fighter than DiMaria. They have hax that needs to be countered to for you to actually defeat them. Jacob has spatial magic that can displace a Spriggan-tier (Brandish) in battle, along with everyone in the guild. Jacob was also dominant over Natsu while using stealth magic. It took Lucy's intervention to give Natsu the chance to bring him down. Jacob just doesn't inspire in offence.

As for Natsu, I've been operating under the assumption that he could use FDK spells on his own. So the mode doesn't really change things for me. What does change is that now FDK spells have a feat of finishing a Spriggan who wasn't really hurt. Moreover, demolishing strike should actually be below a FDK roar, and if there are FDK secret arts, then demolishing strike might actually be a low-end FDK move. (note: demolishing strike and demolition fist are the same thing, the latter actually sounds better).

I disagree. Jacob shouldn't even be compared to Dimaria. If anything, he displayed feats on the level of Ajeel and Wahl. Dimaria was beaten fairly easily because people tend to underestimate Third Origin. I won't argue that here as there really is nothing more to say. Just like how God Serena was taken out by Acnologia. Jacob doesn't really have hax. He is very similar to Minerva and Marin. Sure, his magic can be countered quite easily but if he used it properly, he could have at least taken somebody out. I agree it takes Lucy's intervention to give Natsu a chance to defeat him. Why? Because Lucy's magic counters his... That is all. Aside from her support, Jacob does not seem to have any other attack that is notable. Using the fact that Jacob displaced Brandish means nothing... Cana trapped all of Fairy Tail in cards. That was obviously just plot. Here, we see Jacob lack offense, speed, and intelligence. Defense is unknown. CQC may really be his only high point but that would be more like Bacchus' level which is pretty weak if you ask me.

 

[Brandish μ]

I disagree. Jacob shouldn't even be compared to Dimaria. If anything, he displayed feats on the level of Ajeel and Wahl. Dimaria was beaten fairly easily because people tend to underestimate Third Origin. I won't argue that here but there really is nothing more to say. Just like how God Serena was taken out by Acnologia. Jacob doesn't really have hax. He is very similar to Minerva and Marin. Sure, his magic can be countered quite easily but if he used it properly, he could have at least taken somebody out. I agree it takes Lucy's intervention to give Natsu a chance to defeat him. Why? Because Lucy's magic counters his... That is all. Aside from her support, Jacob does not seem has any other attack that is notable. Using the fact that Jacob displaced Brandish means nothing... Cana trapped all of Fairy Tail in cards. That was obviously just plot. Here, we see Jacob lack offense, speed, and intelligence. Defense is unknown. CQC may really be his only high point but that would be more like Bacchus' level which is pretty weak if you ask me.

I generally disagree with most of this. Mainly DiMaria and Sherria being held in such high regard. I don't know what else to say other than their fight being less impressive than Jacob v Natsu in the guildhall. Jacob is hax. So is DiMaria. She does have the feat of basically killing Carla though...

You mock Lucy, but Ultear was a mere projection. It's quite obvious that both Ultear and Lucy could handle the hax abilities, and do so seemingly with ease. Hax is basically anything unorthodox, it's much harder to tell how powerful it is compared to brawling or physical moves. That is where Wahl, God Serena, and to a lesser degree Ajeel are superior to Jacob and DiMaria.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I generally disagree with most of this. Mainly DiMaria and Sherria being held in such high regard. I don't know what else to say other than their fight being less impressive than Jacob v Natsu in the guildhall. Jacob is hax. So is DiMaria. She does have the feat of basically killing Carla though...

You mock Lucy, but Ultear was a mere projection. It's quite obvious that both Ultear and Lucy could handle the hax abilities, and do so seemingly with ease. Hax is basically anything unorthodox, it's much harder to tell how powerful it is compared to brawling or physical moves. That is where Wahl, God Serena, and to a lesser degree Ajeel are superior to Jacob and DiMaria.

Since when did I mock Lucy? I said she was a perfect counter to Jacob which is as true as it gets. Yes, Natsu needed Lucy's help because she counters Jacob. Could Natsu use the light from his flames to render Jacob's invisibility useless? Maybe or maybe not. The fact here is that Leo can make Jacob appear. If anything, I am mocking Jacob here.

You have your opinions but putting Dimaria at such a low ranking is denial. Natsu in Third Origin would be very close to Acnologia's level. Ajeel and Wahl failed due to their own mistakes and underestimation just like Jacob. In case you didn't realize, Jacob talked more than he actually fought in this battle. He began explaining how his magic is a complete counter to anyone and how it is strong. It turns out that his overconfidence and intel led to his downfall. So God Serena and Dimaria are above all three of them.

 

[kkck]

I don't really see Lucy being that high in power rankings tbh. She hasn't really demonstrated anything which would give her a shot of solo'ing a Spriggan, so if she was to fight one she wouldn't win without some sort of help, be it from some other mages or via plot armour. At best, I'd put Lucy just below Wendy in terms of power rankings. Again, she hasn't shown that much in terms of power, and she hasn't really got anything to put her on the level of Wendy's Dragon Force, so I'd put Lucy there.
Here's how I currently see the protagonists:

Spoiler: Top 10 Protagonists in power rankings

Top 10 Protagonists as it currently stands:
Top Tier:
1. Natsu
2. Jellal
3. Laxus
High-Mid Tier:
4. Erza
5. Gajeel
6. Kagura and Minerva
7. Gray
Low tier:
8. Sting and Rogue (separately, fighting together they'd be ~5)
9. Wendy
10. Lucy, Juvia

Well, beating a springan alone shouldn't be the deciding factor when it comes to determining whether someone is strong. In that regard even erza failed somewhat miserably because what we saw in no form or context suggests she would have had a chance alone. Laxus is the only FT member who has overpowered a springan on his own. Jacob was defeated but it was an effort that involved multiple fairy tail members and a more than significant amount of luck. I do think lucy could have done more if pushed though, she could have used a couple more spirits and spirit dresses for instance. I think that without CSK she is more or less a match for base natsu. Well, I would see natsu have at least significant trouble against 2 celestial spirits and lucy with a spirit dress. FDK would overwhelm lucy safe for CSK. Dimaria required chelia's full potential and a convenient slayer magic... Serena was beaten by freaking acknologia.

 

[Brandish μ]

Since when did I mock Lucy? I said she a perfect counter to Jacob which is as true as it gets. Yes, Natsu needed Lucy's help because she counters Jacob. Could Natsu use the light from his flames to render Jacob's invisibility useless? Maybe or maybe not. The fact here is that Leo can make Jacob appear. If anything, I am mocking Jacob here.

You have your opinions but putting Dimaria at such a low ranking is denial. Natsu in Third Origin would be very close to Acnologia's level. Ajeel and Wahl failed due to their own mistakes and underestimation just like Jacob. In case you didn't realize, Jacob talked more than he actually fought in this battle. He began explaining how his magic is a complete counter to anyone and how it is strong. It turns out that his overconfidence and intel led to his downfall. So God Serena and Dimaria are above all three of them.

My apologies. I took the whole Lucy that is all part as mocking her.

Well I can't really rate DiMaria highly if her known full powered attack is literally stopped by Wendy. I'd back Wendy stopping Jacob's invisible attacks. But nothing like Serena or Wahl's attacks.

I've made posts about my view on Serena, in summary I view his slayer spells to be inferior to Natsu's FD fist (full powered). I see Wahl's assault mode to be at least on par with that, and an argument can be made Wahl is above.

Hasn't every single Spriggan failed so far? And in one way or another, they've had CiS have a hand in their demise? DiMaria was playing around and thought Sherria was bluffing about God Slayer magic. Ajeel thought he was a god and continually underestimated Erza. Wahl had personality setting errors. And Jacob got flustered from some fanservice as well as take his time and chat. I rule God Serena out of this because he got stomped, but he too allowed the GoI to make a comeback. This is just characteristic of the Spriggans so far.