Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Arjuna]

I disagree. Jacob shouldn't even be compared to Dimaria. If anything, he displayed feats on the level of Ajeel and Wahl. Dimaria was beaten fairly easily because people tend to underestimate Third Origin. I won't argue that here but there really is nothing more to say. Just like how God Serena was taken out by Acnologia. Jacob doesn't really have hax. He is very similar to Minerva and Marin. Sure, his magic can be countered quite easily but if he used it properly, he could have at least taken somebody out. I agree it takes Lucy's intervention to give Natsu a chance to defeat him. Why? Because Lucy's magic counters his... That is all. Aside from her support, Jacob does not seem has any other attack that is notable. Using the fact that Jacob displaced Brandish means nothing... Cana trapped all of Fairy Tail in cards. That was obviously just plot. Here, we see Jacob lack offense, speed, and intelligence. Defense is unknown. CQC may really be his only high point but that would be more like Bacchus' level which is pretty weak if you ask me.

I agree with Many of Your Things but still We can't Judge Jacob's Defence.He was Taken by a City Buster Attack.Even Ajeel will be taken by This Attack.

- Jacob has a feat of displacing Brandish, Marin and 111 FT members in to another dimension/space. Only Lucy can stop this due to Horologium, which also saved Natsu too. Now I don't know if Jacob can kill everyone in the other space, but I'd say he'd do rather well. Now as for Jacob v Natsu we saw Jacob winning in hand to hand, only Lucy's light powers through Loke was able to combat this. If you're suggesting Natsu can use FDKM to engulf the whole area in order to counter Jacob then that is reasonable, but it doesn't stop the fact that Jacob was handling Natsu quite well.

- Gray and Natsu were side by side in Avatar. By portrayal you can argue they are equals. Yet Natsu produced a feat which far outclassed anyone there when he destroyed the War God. That edges Natsu above. This doesn't mean Gray can't do something of that level, it means that Gray has not shown such power yet, his best feat is a defensive spell against Ajeel. You can hype Gray to be equal to Natsu, but I don't. It is on Gray to prove he is that strong, ie has the power to take down a Spriggan. The same goes for Natsu, he had to prove he was able to fight Spriggans to be considered the same as Laxus. He has done it, and can be ranked evenly with him. Though I'd say Laxus would beat Natsu(no DF).

- I've got Natsu above Jacob, if you haven't noticed. Again, without Lucy, Natsu is just as helpless as everyone else in the guild. Natsu is certainly more powerful in offence than Jacob. But like DiMaria, Jacob possesses a hax ability that can defy general fighting conditions. I tend to roll with the powerhouses over hax merchants, and thus have put Natsu above DiMaria/Jacob. I keep Wahl/God Serena equal to them as well, but if I was asked who is stronger I would go with Wahl/Serena by virtue of their powers.

To Be Honest I believe gray is on The Level of a Spriggan.Many People will rush at me but He Failed To Freeze Ajeel's Sand.

 

[Brandish μ]

To Be Honest I believe gray is on The Level of a Spriggan.Many People will rush at me but He Failed To Freeze Ajeel's Sand.

I do believe Gray is possibly Spriggan level but on feats I put him roughly Erza level or below. Gray being ignored by Mashima makes me feel he'll be very close to Natsu w/o FDK mode.

 

[BluePegasus]

Lucy is not even close to be a high tier Fairy Tail mage.

The only impressive feat she has is intelligence. If I'd rank all Fairy Tail mages based on intelligence, I'd put her as second or third.

I don't get why some people think she is stronger than Erza or she could solo a Spriggan. Erza would probably low diff her. What could Lucy do against Erza anyway? Her spirits are no match for Erza's armors. And, Erza's armors >>> Lucy's Star Dress.

The fight with Jacob was awful and a total joke. Jacob lost because he has a really low intelligence. I can't see this battle as proof that Natsu and Lucy are Spriggan tier lol. Not that Lucy defeated him herself. She is still far behind Spriggan tier.

If Lucy and Natsu would fight against Di Maria, they would've lost. I'm quite sure about that.

I'd say Lucy is more or less equal with Lyon (only if she is serious).

Lucy's intelligence is as good as Freed's and below Hibiki's.

 

[Arjuna]

I do believe Gray is possibly Spriggan level but on feats I put him roughly Erza level or below. Gray being ignored by Mashima makes me feel he'll be very close to Natsu w/o FDK mode.

gray's current Feats is below Spriggan Tier but also Above Erza.His Ice was broken by Ajeel's Sand of Death I don't see him to be a Spriggan Level.Unless He has stronger Attacks I don't see him to be a Spriggan Level.

 

[Brandish μ]

gray's current Feats is below Spriggan Tier and also Above Erza.His Ice was broken by Ajeel's Sand of Death I don't see him to be a Spriggan Level.

Erza has a few more feats better than Gray's IM Silver, like for instance Nakagami Starlight.

Gray's ice was handled easily by Ajeel's drying sand that is true, but I wouldn't say that automatically rules Gray out. He wasn't using DeS magic at the time either. By portrayal I do agree with you, but it's not a certainty. Natsu by portrayal was not Ajeel level either, but his feats outside that battle gave me reason to think he was. Laxus is the only one who matched Ajeel in Alvarez, and even he didn't contend with Ajeel's best spell.

 

[THE ALMIGHTY CRYBABY]

Ok, Jacob was rly a disappointment but i have to defend him. He was outsmarted by Lucy and then she negated his and even her magic! When you cannot use magic in ft-universe as a wizard you can easily get oneshotted. I do not think he would have been taken down so easily if he was able to use some magic. Who says that Jacob was going all out in their battle. I honestly didn't see that and then before he could, he was stopped!!! I agree that he is low tier spriggean, perhaps the weakest of them.
Jacob probably could have killed the in his magic caught Ft-members but he decided not to, to be able to blackmail Mavis.
Lucy is strong but she isn't on spriggean or ws-level. However, she compensates her lack of power in a battle with cleverness and intelligence. She is like Wendy, they aren't the fighter-type characters. Besides I doubt that we will see CSK again because of his price. Maybe there will be a CSK-dress in the future.
One question why do so many people underrestimate Gajeel???
In my opinion he and Gray have surpassed Erza in this arc and are close to Natsu although we didn't see much of them but they will get their time to shine or to fail who knows .
Laxus is the strongest Ft-member we saw so far. I guess the BDKM of Natsu in chapter 479 is weaker than when he used that power against Zeref ( like his DFLM)

 

[Pirate Queen]

Ok, Jacob was rly a disappointment but i have to defend him. He was outsmarted by Lucy and then she negated his and even her magic! When you cannot use magic in ft-universe as a wizard you can easily get oneshotted. I do not think he would have been taken down so easily if he was able to use some magic. Who says that Jacob was going all out in their battle. I honestly didn't see that and then before he could, he was stopped!!! I agree that he is low tier spriggean, perhaps the weakest of them.
Jacob probably could have killed the in his magic caught Ft-members but he decided not to, to be able to blackmail Mavis.
Lucy is strong but she isn't on spriggean or ws-level. However, she compensates her lack of power in a battle with cleverness and intelligence. She is like Wendy, they aren't the fighter-type characters. Besides I doubt that we will see CSK again because of his price. Maybe there will be a CSK-dress in the future.
One question why do so many people underrestimate Gajeel???
In my opinion he and Gray have surpassed Erza in this arc and are close to Natsu although we didn't see much of them but they will get their time to shine or to fail who knows .
Laxus is the strongest Ft-member we saw so far. I guess the BDKM of Natsu in chapter 479 is weaker than when he used that power against Zeref ( like his DFLM)

Natsu and Laxus are more or less equal. And Natsu hasnt even brought out Dragon force on top of his new Mode. Id give the edge to Natsu and its still debatable that Gildarts is the Ace of the Guild. I would hazard a guess that the 3 are equal in power. Im guessing blind with Gildarts because we havent seen feats from him in a while.

On topic tho. I believe Acnologia has sensed Natsu's power and will head to the guild soon.

 

[Kiki]

I thought Natsu has already been more or less equal with Laxus since a long time ago and some people still acknowledge Laxus' power. Thanks guys *bows*

After reading 479, I am increasingly convinced that Natsu now is stronger than Erza.

so now no one want to discuss about Mira?

Me me Mashima indeed used to leave Mira behind, but now she has Sayla form which makes me put her on the same level as Erza or very slightly below. I hope in this arc her shine gets brighter over and over.

 

[Arjuna]

Nobody in fairy tail is on springgan level.... that is literally a facts . Maybe Gildart is the only one and maybe natsu on fdkm mode... but still in term of mp wise he still lower than springgan?

You are saying This after Natsu basically One Shotted a Spriggan.Natsu and laxus are Spriggan Level.By Hype and Power scaling Jellal,Gajeel with DF and gray may join this List.

Erza has a few more feats better than Gray's IM Silver, like for instance Nakagami Starlight.

Gray's ice was handled easily by Ajeel's drying sand that is true, but I wouldn't say that automatically rules Gray out. He wasn't using DeS magic at the time either. By portrayal I do agree with you, but it's not a certainty. Natsu by portrayal was not Ajeel level either, but his feats outside that battle gave me reason to think he was. Laxus is the only one who matched Ajeel in Alvarez, and even he didn't contend with Ajeel's best spell.

Didn't gray use IDES at that time.I mean He had those Black Marks on His Body.But I disagree Natsu has been showing Spriggan Level Feats even in Alvarez.He had casually burnt Ant Pit ,One of Three Best Spells of Ajeel.He didn't even use His Major Spells.

Ok, Jacob was rly a disappointment but i have to defend him. He was outsmarted by Lucy and then she negated his and even her magic! When you cannot use magic in ft-universe as a wizard you can easily get oneshotted. I do not think he would have been taken down so easily if he was able to use some magic. Who says that Jacob was going all out in their battle. I honestly didn't see that and then before he could, he was stopped!!! I agree that he is low tier spriggean, perhaps the weakest of them.
Jacob probably could have killed the in his magic caught Ft-members but he decided not to, to be able to blackmail Mavis.
Lucy is strong but she isn't on spriggean or ws-level. However, she compensates her lack of power in a battle with cleverness and intelligence. She is like Wendy, they aren't the fighter-type characters. Besides I doubt that we will see CSK again because of his price. Maybe there will be a CSK-dress in the future.
One question why do so many people underrestimate Gajeel???
In my opinion he and Gray have surpassed Erza in this arc and are close to Natsu although we didn't see much of them but they will get their time to shine or to fail who knows .
Laxus is the strongest Ft-member we saw so far. I guess the BDKM of Natsu in chapter 479 is weaker than when he used that power against Zeref ( like his DFLM)

laxus is stronger than Base Natsu but the difference is not much.In DF Natsu surpasses laxus.

 

[Firepower]

- Jacob has a feat of displacing Brandish, Marin and 111 FT members in to another dimension/space. Only Lucy can stop this due to Horologium, which also saved Natsu too. Now I don't know if Jacob can kill everyone in the other space, but I'd say he'd do rather well. Now as for Jacob v Natsu we saw Jacob winning in hand to hand, only Lucy's light powers through Loke was able to combat this. If you're suggesting Natsu can use FDKM to engulf the whole area in order to counter Jacob then that is reasonable, but it doesn't stop the fact that Jacob was handling Natsu quite well.

- Gray and Natsu were side by side in Avatar. By portrayal you can argue they are equals. Yet Natsu produced a feat which far outclassed anyone there when he destroyed the War God. That edges Natsu above. This doesn't mean Gray can't do something of that level, it means that Gray has not shown such power yet, his best feat is a defensive spell against Ajeel. You can hype Gray to be equal to Natsu, but I don't. It is on Gray to prove he is that strong, ie has the power to take down a Spriggan. The same goes for Natsu, he had to prove he was able to fight Spriggans to be considered the same as Laxus. He has done it, and can be ranked evenly with him. Though I'd say Laxus would beat Natsu(no DF).

- I've got Natsu above Jacob, if you haven't noticed. Again, without Lucy, Natsu is just as helpless as everyone else in the guild. Natsu is certainly more powerful in offence than Jacob. But like DiMaria, Jacob possesses a hax ability that can defy general fighting conditions. I tend to roll with the powerhouses over hax merchants, and thus have put Natsu above DiMaria/Jacob. I keep Wahl/God Serena equal to them as well, but if I was asked who is stronger I would go with Wahl/Serena by virtue of their powers.

Like I said, you don't know where to place Gray, which is reasonable, because we don't know how much either of them were holding back. Being evenly matched while not giving their best, it cannot be determined for sure that they are equal, but if you go along with the story Gray is meant to defeat END and therefore has to be on par with Natsu. Atm Natsu's life is connected to END and Zeref so he will probably be able to support his own life without them or absorbs END. Somewhere along those lines.

Point is you credit Jacob on his stealth because it was effective against Natsu, which is true, but you don't add in the fact that Natsu was holding back, which would likely have made that stealth useless. Why credit someone of his magic when the other isn't even using pretty much any magic at all. Just allowing himself to power up without any attack melts and burns everything around him. That alone was enough to make Jacob scream "HO HO HOT!!!" So crediting an ability without considering what was going on in the fight, not considering the conditions only makes your reasoning off. Please don't say things that have nothing to do with this. I said in this thread or the spoiler thread that hand to hand combat, that Jacob had more skills. That's got nothing to do with this.

Sure Jacob could send Natsu elsewhere. That's not the magic we're talking about. It's Stealth! Many of these mages can counter invisibility especially the ones that gave elements and can attack from all directions at once. Gray and Natsu could freeze or light up the whole place to get Jacob. Plus we don't know how he would kill someone by sending them into another dimension. And if it were a fight sending them into another dimension does not win fights. Unless in that dimension there is no water or food where Jacob could starve them to death.

Feats alone don't always prove who is greater than who. Example would be Wahl having no feats. He lost to Laxus. But even then you could somewhat gauge his strength by how well they performed regardless of how it ended.

It doesn't matter where you rank Natsu. Point is if you don't take into account the conditions or situations then your ranking is off. Let's create a scenario where Freed was kidnapped and held at knifepoint. This is the next gmg, and the challenger tells Laxus not to use more than 10% of his magic. Could you properly gauge and rank the strength of his opponent and how effective his magic is against Laxus knowing he's held back? Same way I said with Erza giving birth while Lucy tries to fight her during that time. Therefore taking these into consideration is important if you want to credit someone of something. You can walk around the subject, but I will stick to it.

 

[Brandish μ]

idn't gray use IDES at that time.I mean He had those Black Marks on His Body.But I disagree Natsu has been showing Spriggan Level Feats even in Alvarez.He had casually burnt Ant Pit ,One of Three Best Spells of Ajeel.He didn't even use His Major Spells.

Gray used IDES to stop the Sand golem, but after that the black marks were gone.

To be fair Gray froze and attack just like Natsu burned one. I only find a difference when Ajeel uses Sands of Death. He powered up after Natsu hit him, you see it in the link above. I assume that signifies him using more power. So neither Gray or Natsu defended against Ajeel's better spells. Laxus did stop Sands of Death easily, but Sandworld is Ajeel's top spell. If Gray or Natsu stopped that spell then I would probably place them as Spriggan tier.

But you do bring up a good point about how easily Natsu handled Ant Pit. Based on what we know now, your view is superior to my logic from above, given that Natsu is at the level of Spriggan. The same applies for melting the GMG with ease, that is now a Spriggan tiered feat when you factor in how easy it was done.

 

[Arjuna]

Gray used IDES to stop the Sand golem, but after that the black marks were gone.

To be fair Gray froze and attack just like Natsu burned one. I only find a difference when Ajeel uses Sands of Death. He powered up after Natsu hit him, you see it in the link above. I assume that signifies him using more power. So neither Gray or Natsu defended against Ajeel's better spells. Laxus did stop Sands of Death easily, but Sandworld is Ajeel's top spell. If Gray or Natsu stopped that spell then I would probably place them as Spriggan tier.

But you do bring up a good point about how easily Natsu handled Ant Pit. Based on what we know now, your view is superior to my logic from above, given that Natsu is at the level of Spriggan. The same applies for melting the GMG with ease, that is now a Spriggan tiered feat when you factor in how easy it was done.

Brandish I Just Rememverd One Thing.gray gave up Training after 6 Months.Is it Possible To Reach a Level of a Spriggan with 6 Months Training From The Point They Started.

 

[Firepower]

Lol if you want to talk about hax magic Lucy definitely hax IMO.... like I said she never hit her limit yet...

Someone that doesn't have hax magic is someone like erza , the 3 Gods , jura etc.... they doesn't have hax magic but they still consider strong... so I don't really see a point there (correct me if I'm wrong)
Lack fighting skill? That still doesn't prove how strong or weak someone is..... if you want to go on with that Lucy have one shot many people with no magic and just using her combat abilities . That must have counts somehow Lol .and nope she did now froze.... she had that determined look that she could take the hit .... the usual Lucy would give the scare shit look but nope she didn't . Still didn't see anything wrong with what I said .

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Nope , erza didn't really did any damages to ajeel... just some scratch here and there... while Lucy have even destroy plutogrim.... that already shown that she done much more damage than what erza have shown so far .

Lol like I said IT IS A FIGHT (no offend)

P's so now no one want to discuss about Mira?

Why are you arguing if Lucy has hax magic? Laxus and many others don't have any bullshit abilities either, but they are some of the strongest. Lucy is very versatile, has great magic power, but atm she isn't that great of a fighter. Wasn't she wearing Loke's star dress against Jacob? Don't you think if it were Loke he'd have deflected the knife or at least moved, instead of just freezing? How do you take a knife wearing no armor? Was it a determined look on her face as the knife was being thrown at her? I'll check later.

 

[kkck]

I am not sure if it is true that natsu's full power would have made jacob's stealth useless. I would question that at least. Jacob was defeated but we have to consider that it wasn't quite a straight fight for the most part. Sure, natsu didn't use FDKM from the start to not destroy the guild but in turn so far we have little reason to think natsu could have protected himself from jacob's space time magic. He got past that because of lucy and then happy, otherwise they would have all been in a huge amount of trouble. Considering Jacob's space could hold most of FT including makarov, I doubt natsu could have escaped. And within that we have to consider that it was thanks to lucy that the duo was able to fight at all since she made jacob visible. Overall this is a very murky fight IMO.

 

[Brandish μ]

Like I said, you don't know where to place Gray, which is reasonable, because we don't know how much either of them were holding back. Being evenly matched while not giving their best, it cannot be determined for sure that they are equal, but if you go along with the story Gray is meant to defeat END and therefore has to be on par with Natsu. Atm Natsu's life is connected to END and Zeref so he will probably be able to support his own life without them or absorbs END. Somewhere along those lines.

Point is you credit Jacob on his stealth because it was effective against Natsu, which is true, but you don't add in the fact that Natsu was holding back, which would likely have made that stealth useless. Why credit someone of his magic when the other isn't even using pretty much any magic at all. Just allowing himself to power up without any attack melts and burns everything around him. That alone was enough to make Jacob scream "HO HO HOT!!!" So crediting an ability without considering what was going on in the fight, not considering the conditions only makes your reasoning off. Please don't say things that have nothing to do with this. I said in this thread or the spoiler thread that hand to hand combat, that Jacob had more skills. That's got nothing to do with this.

Sure Jacob could send Natsu elsewhere. That's not the magic we're talking about. It's Stealth! Many of these mages can counter invisibility especially the ones that gave elements and can attack from all directions at once. Gray and Natsu could freeze or light up the whole place to get Jacob. Plus we don't know how he would kill someone by sending them into another dimension. And if it were a fight sending them into another dimension does not win fights. Unless in that dimension there is no water or food where Jacob could starve them to death.

Feats alone don't always prove who is greater than who. Example would be Wahl having no feats. He lost to Laxus. But even then you could somewhat gauge his strength by how well they performed regardless of how it ended.

It doesn't matter where you rank Natsu. Point is if you don't take into account the conditions or situations then your ranking is off. Let's create a scenario where Freed was kidnapped and held at knifepoint. This is the next gmg, and the challenger tells Laxus not to use more than 10% of his magic. Could you properly gauge and rank the strength of his opponent and how effective his magic is against Laxus knowing he's held back? Same way I said with Erza giving birth while Lucy tries to fight her during that time. Therefore taking these into consideration is important if you want to credit someone of something. You can walk around the subject, but I will stick to it.

I think I misunderstood what you were saying about Gray, sorry for that, I've done this today a few times.

As for Gray v END, I do agree, plot wise there is hype for Gray being able to combat END. However I am not sure it will come down to Gray = Natsu for power, because Gray has DeS magic to super-effectively fight Natsu/END. There will probably be a gap in power that Gray will overcome with the slayer advantage. Natsu's strongest level will be DF I believe, and thus too powerful for Gray.

Jacob - I consider both stealth and spatial magic as his skillset, so I don't exclude one when I rate Jacob. It is true that he didn't fight Natsu at full power, but it is also true that Natsu didn't fight Jacob alone. Jacob's magic - both of them - were mitigated by Lucy/Marin. I do believe Natsu can handle stealth to a certain extent, and I detailed that in my first response to you. You've stated that I'm not considering the circumstances of where I place Jacob, but yet you don't question where I place Natsu - he didn't win this fight by himself, he finished it with overwhelming power. I place them on the balance of what I think is more impressive and how well they fought.

 

[kkck]

Why are you arguing if Lucy has hax magic? Laxus and many others don't have any bullshit abilities either, but they are some of the strongest. Lucy is very versatile, has great magic power, but atm she isn't that great of a fighter. Wasn't she wearing Loke's star dress against Jacob? Don't you think if it were Loke he'd have deflected the knife or at least moved, instead of just freezing? How do you take a knife wearing no armor? Was it a determined look on her face as the knife was being thrown at her? I'll check later.

Well, lucy did take some other attacks from jacob later on. I doubt the knife would have done much damage even if it connected, the whole thing was done for dramatic effect. I still think lucy didn't get to use her actual full power during the fight.... It would have been interesting to see lucy using two or more spirits and a spirit dress against jacob.

 

[Brandish μ]

Brandish I Just Rememverd One Thing.gray gave up Training after 6 Months.Is it Possible To Reach a Level of a Spriggan with 6 Months Training From The Point They Started.

Well I guess Gray himself can only answer that question.

Tbh if Gray = Natsu then the whole training thing becomes a mess. Natsu trained the hardest by hype, and trained the full year. So it really depends what Mashima does there. I'd estimate Gray won't be Spriggan level if the training thing is being consistent.

 

[Firepower]

I am not sure if it is true that natsu's full power would have made jacob's stealth useless. I would question that at least. Jacob was defeated but we have to consider that it wasn't quite a straight fight for the most part. Sure, natsu didn't use FDKM from the start to not destroy the guild but in turn so far we have little reason to think natsu could have protected himself from jacob's space time magic. He got past that because of lucy and then happy, otherwise they would have all been in a huge amount of trouble. Considering Jacob's space could hold most of FT including makarov, I doubt natsu could have escaped. And within that we have to consider that it was thanks to lucy that the duo was able to fight at all since she made jacob visible. Overall this is a very murky fight IMO.

Jacob is formidable. But we're talking about the effectiveness of his stealth against Natsu. Not who is greater than who. It is true that Jacob was getting him easily while invisible, but if Natsu was powered up and blew up the whole area I would think stealth wouldn't be as effective. if you add up Jacob's abilities being able to send others into another dimension, then Jacob wins. The point of that argument was to say you can't credit one magic ability when the other is barely using any. And because of this hax I would have to rank Jacob above Natsu. How he'd kill them in that dimension without going there himself is a mystery.

 

[Arjuna]

Jacob was burning From Natsu's Aura itself in FDKM.So if Natsu melts The Entire Place Then Jacob when He comes out of His Dimension will be in big danger.

 

[Firepower]

I think I misunderstood what you were saying about Gray, sorry for that, I've done this today a few times.

As for Gray v END, I do agree, plot wise there is hype for Gray being able to combat END. However I am not sure it will come down to Gray = Natsu for power, because Gray has DeS magic to super-effectively fight Natsu/END. There will probably be a gap in power that Gray will overcome with the slayer advantage. Natsu's strongest level will be DF I believe, and thus too powerful for Gray.

Jacob - I consider both stealth and spatial magic as his skillset, so I don't exclude one when I rate Jacob. It is true that he didn't fight Natsu at full power, but it is also true that Natsu didn't fight Jacob alone. Jacob's magic - both of them - were mitigated by Lucy/Marin. I do believe Natsu can handle stealth to a certain extent, and I detailed that in my first response to you. You've stated that I'm not considering the circumstances of where I place Jacob, but yet you don't question where I place Natsu - he didn't win this fight by himself, he finished it with overwhelming power. I place them on the balance of what I think is more impressive and how well they fought.

I mentioned how effective his stealth was from the start and how you shouldn't credit that one ability that much due to the situation. I never said that Natsu did or could solo Jacob. It's because of that hax magic he Likey beats Natsu one on one. Sending him into another dimension.