Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Vici]

Tbh if Gray = Natsu then the whole training thing becomes a mess.

It's not become because it is even now :P

 

[Pirate Queen]

You are saying This after Natsu basically One Shotted a Spriggan.Natsu and laxus are Spriggan Level.By Hype and Power scaling Jellal,Gajeel with DF and gray may join this List.

Didn't gray use IDES at that time.I mean He had those Black Marks on His Body.But I disagree Natsu has been showing Spriggan Level Feats even in Alvarez.He had casually burnt Ant Pit ,One of Three Best Spells of Ajeel.He didn't even use His Major Spells.

laxus is stronger than Base Natsu but the difference is not much.In DF Natsu surpasses laxus.

Natsu shouldnt be divided into 2 categories. If you gunna do a 2 person comparison you need to use all feats.
Natsu(Base, DF, LFD, BDKM) Vs Laxus (base, red lightening)

There no point in saying that Laxus is stronger that base Natsu but weaker than DF Natsu. It sounds like people are trying to nerf Natsu lol. I dont think its your intent tho.

I just hate how confusing these matchups get.
Natsu(base)<Laxus(base)
But!
Natsu(DF)>Laxus(base)
But!
Natsu(DF)<Laxus(Red Lightning)
But!!!!!!!!
Natsu (FDKM) > Laxus(Red lightning)

Lol I have literally read several forum pages of people debating about Erza vs Laxus and used all of erza's different armors and how weel they would do only to come to the conclusion that Laxus > Erza hahaha.

 

[BluePegasus]

You are saying This after Natsu basically One Shotted a Spriggan.Natsu and laxus are Spriggan Level.By Hype and Power scaling Jellal,Gajeel with DF and gray may join this List.

Yeah it's pretty easy to one shot someone once that person becomes powerless. Natsu didn't solo Jacob. He had help from both Lucy and Makarov and if he hadn't he would be defeated by Jacob with no doubt. Lucy saved Natsu's ass multiple times.

Laxus indeed is Spriggan level because he could solo a Spriggan (even though he was saved by Jutsu Shiki).

Jellal may be Spriggan level. But Gajeel and (Base) Gray aren't.

 

[reesestl]

If gray was Spriggan level he wouldn't piss his pants when he first met Brandish. Now, Natsu had a similar reaction, but still he can defeat a spriggan with one blow. We can overlook that because he is MC. But everybody can't have these illogical power jumps.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Yeah it's pretty easy to one shot someone once that person becomes powerless. Natsu didn't solo Jacob. He had help from both Lucy and Makarov and if he hadn't he would be defeated by Jacob with no doubt. Lucy saved Natsu's ass multiple times.

Laxus indeed is Spriggan level because he could solo a Spriggan (even though he was saved by Jutsu Shiki).

Jellal may be Spriggan level. But Gajeel and (Base) Gray aren't.

Natsu was holding back until he could get Jacob out of the guild hall, this has been stated multiple times. All signs point to Jacob having no chance if natsu went all out from the beginning. Natsu is indeed spriggan level.
Natsu
Laxus
TO Cheila
All 3 are/should be considered spriggan level

 

[Asorx]

Natsu just ist good with blow everything and good atack power. If Natsu is on spirringan lvl then who u think he can beat 1 vs 1 ? Maybe only Ajeel no one else. Dimara > Natsu , Jackob >Natsu, Serena with her water dragon power > Natsu, the rest. Lucy i think can solo Jackob because her magic have a lot of combination. Natsu just her overpower atack but on hax magic this not working.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Natsu just ist good with blow everything and good atack power. If Natsu is on spirringan lvl then who u think he can beat 1 vs 1 ? Maybe only Ajeel no one else. Dimara > Natsu , Jackob >Natsu, Serena with her water dragon power > Natsu, the rest. Lucy i think can solo Jackob because her magic have a lot of combination. Natsu just her overpower atack but on hax magic this not working.

Natsu wasnt even touching Jacob in the recent chapter and he was crying because the aura around natsu was incredibly hot. natsu wasnt even touching him, and then with a single over powered strike took him out, all while drying up a lake.
Natsu is literally a human version of yamamoto's bankai from bleach.
Jacob would have a hard time sneaking up on natsu when the aura around natsu is sweltering.
Jacob, Wahl, Ajeel are the Spriggan i think Natsu can beat one on one... I'd go as far as to say he would give God serena a run for his money: just from what we seen.

Natsu showed he could deal with Jacob after he was removed from Guild
Natsu showed he could dry up a freaking lake so Serena's water dragon magic could prove ineffective
Natsu could easily have a shot against Ajeel

 

[Asorx]

Natsu wasnt even touching Jacob in the recent chapter and he was crying because the aura around natsu was incredibly hot. natsu wasnt even touching him, and then with a single over powered strike took him out, all while drying up a lake.
Natsu is literally a human version of yamamoto's bankai from bleach.
Jacob would have a hard time sneaking up on natsu when the aura around natsu is sweltering.
Jacob, Wahl, Ajeel are the Spriggan i think Natsu can beat one on one... I'd go as far as to say he would give God serena a run for his money: just from what we seen.

If Lucy isn't there he will die with all the gulid with Jackob space magic.

 

[Pirate Queen]

If Lucy isn't there he will die with all the gulid with Jackob space magic.

That's like saying if Freed hadn't taught Laxus the barrier spell then Laxus would have had no chance to beat Wahl. Yet we still consider Laxus Spriggan level
It's a what if scenario and those don't lead to anything.
We deal with the facts that the manga gives us.
I can easily say, if Natsu was awake right before jacob used his spell then he would have one-shot Jacob before he could have used his time-space magic... but that's a what if.

 

[Asorx]

That's like saying if Freed hadn't taught Laxus the barrier spell then Laxus would have had no chance to beat Wahl. Yet we still consider Laxus Spriggan level
It's a what if scenario and those don't lead to anything.
We deal with the facts that the manga gives us.
I can easily say, if Natsu was awake right before jacob used his spell then he would have one-shot Jacob before he could have used his time-space magic... but that's a what if.

He just must be invisible and do that. Jackob > Natsu

 

[Pirate Queen]

He just must be invisible and do that. Jackob > Natsu

Yet Jacob is knocked out and Natsu is standing victorious. Your view on stronger and weaker is amusing

 

[Asorx]

Yet Jacob is knocked out and Natsu is standing victorious. Your view on stronger and weaker is amusing

If other mage can't use magic then Natsu can one shot him.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Jacobs magic gave him no defensive properties or i would agree with you.

 

[Firepower]

Well Lightning Flame Dragon is still quite relevant. He can apparently use LFD with his own power now so I don't see why we would exclude it especially since it makes Natsu significantly stronger. I'm not saying I agree with how this form came about since it was inherited from Laxus but I'm just stating how it actually makes a different. For example, in Tartaros, Natsu could barely beat Franmalth in Base Form but pretty much destroyed him with LFD. From then, he fought Tempesta who he couldn't beat in Base Form once again to he had to resort to LFD in order to be on par. I also added in Igneel's Power here because even though it already ran out, he still once had it so people still rank him with Igneel's Power into separate tiers.

Now Dragon Force is different. Yes, activating DF at will is unknown at this point. But since he used it against Mard Geer, what sort of explanation do we have for it? To say that it was because of a desperate situation is kind of lacking in evidence. It makes sense that only Natsu and Wendy can activate DF at will so far only because they've shown to be capable of doing such a feat.

Although I agree that Natsu has a lot of attack which makes up for a lot of his overall power, I would say his defensive skills are also up there. I don't consider Jacob strong but the fact that Lucy was terrified of the knives thrown at her which could have killed her, and Natsu blocking it casually, I would think that Natsu has some durability. Also, Natsu was hit by Zeref's black magic was supposedly incinerates almost anything. Does Igneel's power or MP factor into his defense? Maybe, maybe not. The point here is that he still was able to fight afterwards.



I can agree that we shouldn't blame Jacob for being one-shotted by a powerful spell. That I don't deny. What really lowers Jacob in ranking is his overall feats. His character was a joke... Let's be completely honest here. When factoring all the stats including Intelligence into Jacob's power, Jacob is really disappointing. He hasn't shown any attack worthy of being a Spriggan.

First, let's analyze his magic. Jacob has spatial magic similar to Minerva or Marin Hollow. This already seemed like a disappointment to begin with especially since his powers was inflated to the point we thought he could kill somebody in one-shot considering he is an assassin. The fact that he didn't kill anyone but instead "transported" them to a different dimension without any side effects involved was not an impressive feat. Had everyone who was stuck in that dimension come back in a coma, I would see some use in Jacob's magic but so far, he performed the same feat that Marin did to Erza and Lucy except that Marin is weak...

Second, Jacob's skills. Apparently, he is a decent at CQC but really low at everything else. Jacob hasn't shown one attack that is high in attack power. Defense is inconclusive because Natsu used such a strong attack off the bat that even a weaker attack could have killed him. Speed is average. Jacob's invisibility made him seem fast but in reality, we clearly saw that he could not keep up. Jacob's invisibility is like Ajeel's intangibility. Sure it helped them in a battle but both can be countered and both didn't really help Jacob or Ajeel win because they didn't use their own advantages right... The last one here being intelligence. Now this is what I criticize Jacob the most of. Ajeel and Wahl may have lacked intelligence as well which ultimately lead to their defeat, but Jacob takes it to a whole different level to the point that Natsu is probably smarter than him.

The problem I have here is that he screwed up 2 times. The first time, he made Lucy's undergarments visible to try and weaken Natsu but ended up countering himself. First of all, never use magic that there is a possible risk to counter yourself. That should be obvious especially when it is your own magic. Second of all, does he really think that seeing a female's clothes is going to defeat Natsu just from a nosebleed? Yes, I know that this scene was for comedy reasons but in a Spriggan fight? Natsu has already seen Lucy without any clothes to begin with...

The second time, Lucy outsmarted him. I will admit I place Lucy very high on intelligence now but even so, Jacob shouldn't have fell for the trick. There is really nothing for me to explain here besides the fact that he solely relied on his "transport" to put pressure on Natsu and Lucy. The moment the plan failed, he fell apart as he let his guard down which resulted in Makarov punching him. Jacob really should have dodged that....

Please explain how I'm lacking in evidence with Natsu not being able to use df at will. Against Laxus he should have died if Gajeel didn't take it. That was a power deep down that he could not use any time he pleased. Same with his fight with Jellal, needing to eat etherion. Against Mard Geer three dragon slayers were getting toyed with. Do you think after Igneel told Natsu to get the book, that Natsu was holding back the whole time? Both Gray and Natsy would have died against Mard Geer, if it wasn't for Gray also turning half demon and preventing their death. And he just got that power that day, maybe even less than an hour. So Natsu did not know Gray could have stopped Memento Mori. Natsu would have been done.

Did he come out of that attack transformed into df? No he did not. From how the story was going it seemed if no new power was used, memento Mori would have finished them. Where do you come up with the idea that Natsu was able to go df whenever he wanted? Up to the end of tartaros arc Natsu was never able to go df as he pleases. Going lfd mode he proved he could use it the moment he got back from the time skip. It has been in near death situations that he activated df. The only other time was eating etherion. You ask me for evidence why Natsu cannot use df any time, but there is no evidence whatsoever that Natsu can use it whenever he wants.

Maybe since the last time skip he could possibly be able to use it. But before that there is nothing that proves Natsu can transform at will. Proof this Proof that. Proof or no proof read or watch how the story is going. I could ask you the same thing and prove to me Levy isn't actually a dragon slayer or if it's Naruto disguised as Levy who is also a ds. I could ask you to prove if Elfman is actually a girl disguised as a man. I could also ask you to prove that Laxus doesn't know how to go dragonforce or even dragonification. And give you bs answer like you don't know if he can or not, maybe he's been holding back all this time.And you wouldn't be able to give real proof. Without a doubt Natsu could not activate df at will during the Tartaros arc. Maybe when he did go df, right after that maybe he learned how to use it. Follow the story bro.

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@XXEliteXXAceXX Also, it is true that Natsu is durable, but his fighting skills are not as good as the elite mages. Lucy is terrible when it comes to fighting skills. When she uses star dress she gains powers and abilities, but not the skills to dodge and counter attacks. That's why she froze when Jacob threw a dagger at her. She has the potential though. Natsu does have skills, but he gets outsmarted a bit by s class mages. He makes up for it with powerful destructive magic. It's not a big weakness for Natsu because he does have skills, just a half notch down or so to the smarter guys. He's not the best at everything.

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Well, lucy did take some other attacks from jacob later on. I doubt the knife would have done much damage even if it connected, the whole thing was done for dramatic effect. I still think lucy didn't get to use her actual full power during the fight.... It would have been interesting to see lucy using two or more spirits and a spirit dress against jacob.

Punches and kicks are different from taking a blade. She didn't move when that dagger came. She put her arms out and closed her eyes. Regardless if the knife would have hurt her or not her skills are lacking. The blade came from across the room. She had an opportunity to do something then just raising her arms up and closing her eyes. She's not exactly a master with her whip like Kagura or Erza are with swords. Skills are getting there but still a lot of work needed.

If the story keeps going, maybe Lucy will summon 2 cs, fuse both star dresses into one and create something stronger. She just started using star dress and is very strong with one at a time so I'm getting ahead of myself. Maybe to use CSK star dress she has to summon all 12 zodiacs and fuse all star dresses into one. Actually summoning all 12 zodiacs would be difficult though. But her ancestors have done it. Didnt Layla do it too, plus one key was missing so she had to use extra magic, but that caused her weakness and death.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Yeah it's pretty easy to one shot someone once that person becomes powerless. Natsu didn't solo Jacob. He had help from both Lucy and Makarov and if he hadn't he would be defeated by Jacob with no doubt. Lucy saved Natsu's ass multiple times.

Laxus indeed is Spriggan level because he could solo a Spriggan (even though he was saved by Jutsu Shiki).

Jellal may be Spriggan level. But Gajeel and (Base) Gray aren't.

Just because Natsu didn't take out Jacob alone doesn't mean that he can't beat him. You have to consider other factors of the fight, like Natsu holding back because he didn't want to destroy the guild. Natsu powering up causes Jacob extreme pain. That alone tells you that his stealth magic would be virtually useless in a fight where Natsu has no restrictions (like the safety of the guild) placed on him.

Gajeel has always been portrayed to be Natsu level. If Natsu's Spriggan level then there's a good chance that Gajeel is as well.

 

[kkck]

Punches and kicks are different from taking a blade. She didn't move when that dagger came. She put her arms out and closed her eyes. Regardless if the knife would have hurt her or not her skills are lacking. The blade came from across the room. She had an opportunity to do something then just raising her arms up and closing her eyes. She's not exactly a master with her whip like Kagura or Erza are with swords. Skills are getting there but still a lot of work needed.

If the story keeps going, maybe Lucy will summon 2 cs, fuse both star dresses into one and create something stronger. She just started using star dress and is very strong with one at a time so I'm getting ahead of myself. Maybe to use CSK star dress she has to summon all 12 zodiacs and fuse all star dresses into one. Actually summoning all 12 zodiacs would be difficult though. But her ancestors have done it. Didnt Layla do it too, plus one key was missing so she had to use extra magic, but that caused her weakness and death.

http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail/478/3306/14

Well, this looks like lucy is taking on a bunch of invisible knifes considering she is getting cut. I guess part of the issue here is that she doesn't have her old whip anymore (she only has a whip while using taurus clothes).

My guess is that using all 12 spirits at the same time is sort of the endgame for a stellar spirit mage assuming it is possible at all. A year ago she could use 2 at the same time, 3 with some effort. I would think that considering her boost so far and her dresses she should be able to use at least 3 without that much effort (with gemini being an exception as this one seems to have particularly high magic requirements depending on the situation). I could see lucy using 4 casually but not more than that.

 

[Firepower]

http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail/478/3306/14

Well, this looks like lucy is taking on a bunch of invisible knifes considering she is getting cut. I guess part of the issue here is that she doesn't have her old whip anymore (she only has a whip while using taurus clothes).

My guess is that using all 12 spirits at the same time is sort of the endgame for a stellar spirit mage assuming it is possible at all. A year ago she could use 2 at the same time, 3 with some effort. I would think that considering her boost so far and her dresses she should be able to use at least 3 without that much effort (with gemini being an exception as this one seems to have particularly high magic requirements depending on the situation). I could see lucy using 4 casually but not more than that.

Taking punishment is proof of durability. Defensive fighting skills to do something about attacks are another story. On the offensive end of skills, whatever tool, weapon or ability she gains from star dresses, she has yet to prove to be a master with any kind of weapon. She did become good with the whip pretty quickly when she first got it during the Edolas arc, swinging around Byro's tentacles.The most she released was 5 cs long ago. But she passed out soon after. She has it running it her veins of some cs mage being able to summon all cs. I'll just sit back and watch. No use arguing on if she will or will not.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail/478/3306/14

Well, this looks like lucy is taking on a bunch of invisible knifes considering she is getting cut. I guess part of the issue here is that she doesn't have her old whip anymore (she only has a whip while using taurus clothes).

I thought she still had her whip. Didn't she use it against the Alavarez troop fodder back on Caracolle Island:

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

[SirSamuel016]

Natsu shouldnt be divided into 2 categories. If you gunna do a 2 person comparison you need to use all feats.
Natsu(Base, DF, LFD, BDKM) Vs Laxus (base, red lightening)

There no point in saying that Laxus is stronger that base Natsu but weaker than DF Natsu. It sounds like people are trying to nerf Natsu lol. I dont think its your intent tho.

I just hate how confusing these matchups get.
Natsu(base)<Laxus(base)
But!
Natsu(DF)>Laxus(base)
But!
Natsu(DF)<Laxus(Red Lightning)
But!!!!!!!!
Natsu (FDKM) > Laxus(Red lightning)

Lol I have literally read several forum pages of people debating about Erza vs Laxus and used all of erza's different armors and how weel they would do only to come to the conclusion that Laxus > Erza hahaha.

I'd disagree with Laxus' Red Lightning spell. There's no way it'd match the power of Dragon Force, it could come close to Natsu's LFD mode but really I don't think Red Lightning isn't that good a comparison to modes, as Red Lightning is a spell and not a mode, so Laxus would have to continually use it for it to be applicable. I'd also say Natsu's base mode comes very close to Laxus if he wasn't holding back. Another thing to consider is that we don't know if Flame Dragon King Mode is stronger than Dragon Force or not, for all we know Dragon Force could be even stronger still. End of the day, Natsu has the modes that put him ahead of Laxus, so its fair to say he is higher up than Laxus in terms of power.

 

[Firepower]

I'd disagree with Laxus' Red Lightning spell. There's no way it'd match the power of Dragon Force, it could come close to Natsu's LFD mode but really I don't think Red Lightning isn't that good a comparison to modes, as Red Lightning is a spell and not a mode, so Laxus would have to continually use it for it to be applicable. I'd also say Natsu's base mode comes very close to Laxus if he wasn't holding back. Another thing to consider is that we don't know if Flame Dragon King Mode is stronger than Dragon Force or not, for all we know Dragon Force could be even stronger still. End of the day, Natsu has the modes that put him ahead of Laxus, so its fair to say he is higher up than Laxus in terms of power.

Yeah but what if Laxus grows his hair with the help of Lucy and Sagittariu has two nice pony tails, carries a hammer and wears armor given from Erza, which happens to only fit Erza? And then uses red lightning on one had and regular lightning on the other combined to make orange lightning. Can we call this Thor mode?

Sorry I'm just kidding. Things got a bit serious so I couldn't help it. I know, deleted.