Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Pirate Queen]

Yeah but what if Laxus grows his hair with the help of Lucy and Sagittariu has two nice pony tails, carries a hammer and wears armor given from Erza, which happens to only fit Erza? And then uses red lightning on one had and regular lightning on the other combined to make orange lightning. Can we call this Thor mode?

Sorry I'm just kidding. Things got a bit serious so I couldn't help it. I know, deleted.

Literally how far people will go to discredit Natsus power lol! Literally choked on my soda when i read your post. You win sir

 

[Crimson Ice]

Mira isn't a 'standard '. I think her strength is being underestimated here. Please give me on feat Gajeel has better than Mirajane. Okay, maybe he has better defence since he can turn into a shadow, but Mirajane's speed can easily keep up with that. There is only one attack needed to defeat him. Or she just use Macro to make him strangle himself.



^^^^This. Well said.

Gajeel's roar in ISD is better than anything Mira has done, Marco doesn't work on people her level, Mira couldn't even get random fodder to knock themselves out so what makes you think it will work on Gajeel? Mira beating Gajeel with anything less than high-dif is a joke.


BTW why are people saying 'red lighting Laxus' like it's a mode?

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If gray was Spriggan level he wouldn't piss his pants when he first met Brandish. Now, Natsu had a similar reaction, but still he can defeat a spriggan with one blow. We can overlook that because he is MC. But everybody can't have these illogical power jumps.

This makes no sense.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Gajeel's roar in ISD is better than anything Mira has done, Marco doesn't work on people her level, Mira couldn't even get random fodder to knock themselves out so what makes you think it will work on Gajeel? Mira beating Gajeel with anything less than high-dif is a joke.


BTW why are people saying 'red lighting Laxus' like it's a mode?

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This makes no sense.

It was a joke i made a while ago about Natsu Vs Laxus being more complicated than it is lol about people who compare Natsu's different modes against base Laxus

 

[Libarian]

Yeah but what if Laxus grows his hair with the help of Lucy and Sagittariu has two nice pony tails, carries a hammer and wears armor given from Erza, which happens to only fit Erza? And then uses red lightning on one had and regular lightning on the other combined to make orange lightning. Can we call this Thor mode?

Sorry I'm just kidding. Things got a bit serious so I couldn't help it. I know, deleted.

LOLWow that would the the ultimate shock tactic everyone would be reduced to tears from laughter and completely open Thor mode=instant win

 

[Crimson Ice]

rather than passing judgement, how about provide an argument.

Natsu and Gray both had the exact same reaction but yet it's okay because he's the MC? WTF, not to mention you say nobody can have these huge power jumps ignoring that fact all the main cast has pretty much had the one, on top of a big power jump Gray got in the last major arc? To say he's not on that level simply because of his reaction to Brandish and then dismiss the very same reaction Natsu had made no sense.

 

[reesestl]

Natsu and Gray both had the exact same reaction but yet it's okay because he's the MC? WTF, not to mention you say nobody can have these huge power jumps ignoring that fact all the main cast has pretty much had the one, on top of a big power jump Gray got in the last major arc? To say he's not on that level simply because of his reaction to Brandish and then dismiss the very same reaction Natsu had made no sense.

When did gray get an unexplained power jump? Last arc he got the DS magic and then this arc he came after 6 months of training.
Are you implying a power jump is possible b/w the time they saw brandish and now. I will say no.
people don't get scared when they meet an enemy more or less equal to them. That only happens if they meet someone vastly superior to them. ANd yet Natsu who had that scared reaction is now equal to Spriggan. It is completely illogical.
But,I hope u realise u are reading a manga not real life. ANd this is always done to create impact first. Plus the latitude a MC enjoys is not enjoyed by others. At one point Natsu defeated Laxus.Now, that was impossible at that time. But it happened. Does gray or any other character has similar achievement.

 

[Crimson Ice]

When did gray get an unexplained power jump? Last arc he got the DS magic and then this arc he came after 6 months of training.
Are you implying a power jump is possible b/w the time they saw brandish and now. I will say no.
people don't get scared when they meet an enemy more or less equal to them. That only happens if they meet someone vastly superior to them. ANd yet Natsu who had that scared reaction is now equal to Spriggan. It is completely illogical.
But,I hope u realise u are reading a manga not real life. ANd this is always done to create impact first. Plus the latitude a MC enjoys is not enjoyed by others. At one point Natsu defeated Laxus.Now, that was impossible at that time. But it happened. Does gray or any other character has similar achievement.

Not unexplained just a power jump, Natsu this entire arc has never got a radon powerup.


Who says their strength from when they met Brandish to now has changed, Natsu has gotten any stronger and he is undoubtedly on Brandish's level. What's your point Natsu hasn't gotten any 'unexplained powerups' from when he met Brandish to now. They weren't scared they were shocked we've seen this before not to mention Natsu literally tries to start a fight right after. No power ups were given you just assumed they couldn't fight her when Natsu and Gray hadn't fought seriously at all, then when you're shown otherwise you assume he randomly jumped in power when it is YOU who has jumped the gun. It's only illogical to you because you assumed Natsu and Gray's strength when neither has gone all out.


The difference between Natsu and Laxus is we see Laxus smack down Natsu before hand, hence why it made no sense, we didn't know what Natsu and Gray had to offer but yet you jumped the gun.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Please explain how I'm lacking in evidence with Natsu not being able to use df at will. Against Laxus he should have died if Gajeel didn't take it. That was a power deep down that he could not use any time he pleased. Same with his fight with Jellal, needing to eat etherion. Against Mard Geer three dragon slayers were getting toyed with. Do you think after Igneel told Natsu to get the book, that Natsu was holding back the whole time? Both Gray and Natsy would have died against Mard Geer, if it wasn't for Gray also turning half demon and preventing their death. And he just got that power that day, maybe even less than an hour. So Natsu did not know Gray could have stopped Memento Mori. Natsu would have been done.

I never denied that Natsu would lose against Laxus without Gajeel's help. I also never said that Natsu would win against Jellal without Dragon Force. It is obvious that Natsu would have been killed by Mard Geer without Gray's help. Same goes for Gray. I never denied these things. But the fact that Natsu went Dragon Force in Tartaros against Mard Geer without any sources of Etherion tells us that Natsu doesn't need it anymore.

Did he come out of that attack transformed into df? No he did not. From how the story was going it seemed if no new power was used, memento Mori would have finished them. Where do you come up with the idea that Natsu was able to go df whenever he wanted? Up to the end of tartaros arc Natsu was never able to go df as he pleases. Going lfd mode he proved he could use it the moment he got back from the time skip. It has been in near death situations that he activated df. The only other time was eating etherion. You ask me for evidence why Natsu cannot use df any time, but there is no evidence whatsoever that Natsu can use it whenever he wants.

I never even hinted that Natsu would have survived against Mard Geer's Momento Mori, if it weren't for Gray. Just like how Gray would never have came out alive if Natsu didn't stall time for him. If Natsu can't go DF at will, how would you explain what happened in Tartaros against Mard Geer? Saying that he was fueled by "emotions" is speculation.

Maybe since the last time skip he could possibly be able to use it. But before that there is nothing that proves Natsu can transform at will. Proof this Proof that. Proof or no proof read or watch how the story is going. I could ask you the same thing and prove to me Levy isn't actually a dragon slayer or if it's Naruto disguised as Levy who is also a ds. I could ask you to prove if Elfman is actually a girl disguised as a man. I could also ask you to prove that Laxus doesn't know how to go dragonforce or even dragonification. And give you bs answer like you don't know if he can or not, maybe he's been holding back all this time.And you wouldn't be able to give real proof. Without a doubt Natsu could not activate df at will during the Tartaros arc. Maybe when he did go df, right after that maybe he learned how to use it. Follow the story bro.

If Natsu can't go Dragon Force at will, would you call Wendy's DF also not at will? She didn't even consume any Etherion when she went DF. Also, if you think Dragon Slayers only transform into DF through "emotions or near death", shouldn't all of them have gone Dragon Force by now?

@XXEliteXXAceXX Also, it is true that Natsu is durable, but his fighting skills are not as good as the elite mages. Lucy is terrible when it comes to fighting skills. When she uses star dress she gains powers and abilities, but not the skills to dodge and counter attacks. That's why she froze when Jacob threw a dagger at her. She has the potential though. Natsu does have skills, but he gets outsmarted a bit by s class mages. He makes up for it with powerful destructive magic. It's not a big weakness for Natsu because he does have skills, just a half notch down or so to the smarter guys. He's not the best at everything.

How did my post even mention anything about Lucy being a good fighter? I put her high on intelligence, nothing else. I also thought that Lucy was in danger and scared when Jacob threw the knives at her, so I don't know how you thought I believed otherwise. I never even said Natsu was the best at everything. In fact, I never was an advocate for Natsu being the best character. I do believe he has potential but he isn't perfect. I agree that he isn't that smart.

 

[BluePegasus]

Just because Natsu didn't take out Jacob alone doesn't mean that he can't beat him. You have to consider other factors of the fight, like Natsu holding back because he didn't want to destroy the guild. Natsu powering up causes Jacob extreme pain. That alone tells you that his stealth magic would be virtually useless in a fight where Natsu has no restrictions (like the safety of the guild) placed on him.

Gajeel has always been portrayed to be Natsu level. If Natsu's Spriggan level then there's a good chance that Gajeel is as well.

Jacob was holding back the whole time. He could do a lot more with Stealth than his pathetic hand-to-handcombat. Natsu couldn't defeat Jacob on his own, even if he was outside Fairy Tail. Thanks to Lucy, Jacob couldn't camouflage himself. Thanks to Lucy, his Transport was disabled. Natsu is strong, but his intelligence is far to low.

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Gajeel's roar in ISD is better than anything Mira has done, Marco doesn't work on people her level, Mira couldn't even get random fodder to knock themselves out so what makes you think it will work on Gajeel? Mira beating Gajeel with anything less than high-dif is a joke.

Macro does work on Gajeel because he is weaker than Mirajane. I don't see more impressive things in his ISD Roar than any spell from Mirajane. Read/watch the fight against Freed and see for yourself.

 

[Firepower]

I never denied that Natsu would lose against Laxus without Gajeel's help. I also never said that Natsu would win against Jellal without Dragon Force. It is obvious that Natsu would have been killed by Mard Geer without Gray's help. Same goes for Gray. I never denied these things. But the fact that Natsu went Dragon Force in Tartaros against Mard Geer without any sources of Etherion tells us that Natsu doesn't need it anymore.



I never even hinted that Natsu would have survived against Mard Geer's Momento Mori, if it weren't for Gray. Just like how Gray would never have came out alive if Natsu didn't stall time for him. If Natsu can't go DF at will, how would you explain what happened in Tartaros against Mard Geer? Saying that he was fueled by "emotions" is speculation.



If Natsu can't go Dragon Force at will, would you call Wendy's DF also not at will? She didn't even consume any Etherion when she went DF. Also, if you think Dragon Slayers only transform into DF through "emotions or near death", shouldn't all of them have gone Dragon Force by now?



How did my post even mention anything about Lucy being a good fighter? I put her high on intelligence, nothing else. I also thought that Lucy was in danger and scared when Jacob threw the knives at her, so I don't know how you thought I believed otherwise. I never even said Natsu was the best at everything. In fact, I never was an advocate for Natsu being the best character. I do believe he has potential but he isn't perfect. I agree that he isn't that smart.

I did not say you were thinking that Natsu would have survived in those fights without the help of others. No need to argue about stuff that isn't being argued about. I said those things to explain to you the times he went df. I checked both the manga and anime and I was wrong about Natsu activating df against Laxus. I read on wikia that the only times Natsu used df were against Jellal, Zero and Mard Geer. First two times he ate etherion based lacrima and fire that Jellal gave him. From the beginning of the manga until memento mori was used in the Tartaros arc, Natsu has not been able to use df at will. That was the first time he used df without needing to consume something. Why I said he was not in df mode when Mard Geer's attack was done, is because if he knew how to use df he'd have used it as the attack was used on him to try and survive it. I also mentioned that Natsu did not know Gray's new slayer magic could save them, as Gray just got that power that day maybe even less than an hour ago. Therefore Natsu not knowing Gray could save them, would have used df to try and survive the attack or maybe even carry Gray and bust out of it. It was when the attack was over, saw Gray fall that he got pissed off further and tapped into his df power on his own. That means he learned it during the fight, not before the fight. That does not mean he can use df any time. Does not mean that he knew how to go df at all. It was no ace up his sleeve he was saving. Maybe from that experience he learned a bit how to make it happen. I'm too lazy to check but didn't Wendy learn during the skip how to use df at will? Even then she ate some wind that got her to df the first time. Natsu ate something twice, having df twice, but after both times he still did not know how to activate df.

 

[Kiki]

Marco doesn't work on people her level, Mira couldn't even get random fodder to knock themselves out

I thought Mira never got serious when she casted Macro to those Alvarez soldiers. I'd say Macro lacks feats and sure has limitation, so I need more informations about Macro to analyze and draw conclusion.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Jacob was holding back the whole time. He could do a lot more with Stealth than his pathetic hand-to-handcombat. Natsu couldn't defeat Jacob on his own, even if he was outside Fairy Tail. Thanks to Lucy, Jacob couldn't camouflage himself. Thanks to Lucy, his Transport was disabled. Natsu is strong, but his intelligence is far to low.

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Macro does work on Gajeel because he is weaker than Mirajane. I don't see more impressive things in his ISD Roar than any spell from Mirajane. Read/watch the fight against Freed and see for yourself.

All her feats against Freed aren't even comparable to the roar, nor is Gajeel weaker than Mira and the Macro couldn't control some fodder, so unless those fodder are>Gajeel Marco isn't working.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I did not say you were thinking that Natsu would have survived in those fights without the help of others. No need to argue about stuff that isn't being argued about. I said those things to explain to you the times he went df. I checked both the manga and anime and I was wrong about Natsu activating df against Laxus. I read on wikia that the only times Natsu used df were against Jellal, Zero and Mard Geer. First two times he ate etherion based lacrima and fire that Jellal gave him. From the beginning of the manga until memento mori was used in the Tartaros arc, Natsu has not been able to use df at will. That was the first time he used df without needing to consume something. Why I said he was not in df mode when Mard Geer's attack was done, is because if he knew how to use df he'd have used it as the attack was used on him to try and survive it. I also mentioned that Natsu did not know Gray's new slayer magic could save them, as Gray just got that power that day maybe even less than an hour ago. Therefore Natsu not knowing Gray could save them, would have used df to try and survive the attack or maybe even carry Gray and bust out of it. It was when the attack was over, saw Gray fall that he got pissed off further and tapped into his df power on his own. That means he learned it during the fight, not before the fight. That does not mean he can use df any time. Does not mean that he knew how to go df at all. It was no ace up his sleeve he was saving. Maybe from that experience he learned a bit how to make it happen. I'm too lazy to check but didn't Wendy learn during the skip how to use df at will? Even then she ate some wind that got her to df the first time. Natsu ate something twice, having df twice, but after both times he still did not know how to activate df.

Well I can't explain how Natsu was able to go Dragon Force in the Tartaros Arc, but the fact that he did should tell us something. There were theories and implications that the Dragons leaving the Dragon Slayers' bodies was what made it possible. Honestly, if Natsu can't go DF at will, he is really behind Wendy at this point. Here are two scenarios where Wendy was able to go DF:

Avatar Arc

Spoiler

Alvarez Arc

Spoiler

 

[Crimson Ice]

I thought Mira never got serious when she casted Macro to those Alvarez soldiers. I'd say Macro lacks feats and sure has limitation, so I need more informations about Macro to analyze and draw conclusion.

Pretty sure she did, she said she would have to resort to the old fashion of knocking them out. If she could knock them all out with Macro she would.

 

[Arjuna]

I Think If Jacob Had Fought Natsu outside The Guild Then He would have Lost Surely.Jacob makes Stealth Attack From Behind.But To Make Stealth Attack He needs To Get Close To His Opponent.Now We had seen Jacob was just burning From Natsu's Aura in FDKM.So It will be difficult for Him To Attack Natsu as He will be Burned.Lucy and Natsu Together Defeated Jacob.And We didn't see Any Indication that Jacob was Holding Back.On The Contrary He was Giving 100 Percent.

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Natsu can go DF at any Time.He was The First Dragon Slayer in Front Of Us To Go DF without Stimulus.He didn't use DF until Now Because He doesn't Need Them To Fight These Opponents.

 

[Firepower]

Well I can't explain how Natsu was able to go Dragon Force in the Tartaros Arc, but the fact that he did should tell us something. There were theories and implications that the Dragons leaving the Dragon Slayers' bodies was what made it possible. Honestly, if Natsu can't go DF at will, he is really behind Wendy at this point. Here are two scenarios where Wendy was able to go DF:

Avatar Arc

Spoiler

Alvarez Arc

Spoiler

See that's what I said. When Wendy used df the first time I'm not sure she was able to use it any time there and then. I did say she learned how to use it on command probably during the skip if she didn't know how to use it right after her fight with ezel. I know because I forgot some time before that Wendy could make it happen, and was corrected for it some time ago.

The fact that Natsu did have df for the first time without needing to eat high magic energy stuff, means he is getting closer to learning it or that he might already know how to use it during the skip in training. But if he does know how to use df now in the Alvarez arc, I think he would have used it on Zeref to increase his chances of succeding. I may be wrong as that might have stressed his body too much if he did use df, but couldn't use that and Igneel's power together. Or maybe he learned df during the skip, but is afraid to use it because he lost his mind and felt rage taking over. Kinda like Ichigo when he got his hollow powers. That's just ideas that come to mind. Being able to go df and mastering it to the point that the whole body has scales and dragons body parts are two different things. His last df he had more scales then previous times.

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I disagree. Jacob shouldn't even be compared to Dimaria. If anything, he displayed feats on the level of Ajeel and Wahl. Dimaria was beaten fairly easily because people tend to underestimate Third Origin. I won't argue that here as there really is nothing more to say. Just like how God Serena was taken out by Acnologia. Jacob doesn't really have hax. He is very similar to Minerva and Marin. Sure, his magic can be countered quite easily but if he used it properly, he could have at least taken somebody out. I agree it takes Lucy's intervention to give Natsu a chance to defeat him. Why? Because Lucy's magic counters his... That is all. Aside from her support, Jacob does not seem to have any other attack that is notable. Using the fact that Jacob displaced Brandish means nothing... Cana trapped all of Fairy Tail in cards. That was obviously just plot. Here, we see Jacob lack offense, speed, and intelligence. Defense is unknown. CQC may really be his only high point but that would be more like Bacchus' level which is pretty weak if you ask me.

That hand clapping technique that sends everyone into another dimension is borderline hax if not already. But if he wasn't bluffing that he could kill them in that dimension without needing to go there and kick some ass, then it is hax magic. When one is weaker than someone or weaker than many combined, yet he can defeat them, that is hax magic. Looking back at Kyoka, she wasn't exactly beating Erza. It was a close fight, which I had Erza winning. Point of that is Kyoka whether stronger or weaker than Erza she took all her senses away and increased her pain receptors, her nerves. That is a bs ability, thankfully countered back with a bs ability also they called six sense. What are the chances of anyone else winning if all five senses are taken away and in extreme agony? Very little. Marin and Jacob being able to send others into a different dimension is a bullshit ability. Minerva used it like a prison to hold Milana and Sting's exceed. But didn't use it as a means of victory. She used it to move around to the blind spot of opponents, to get out of harms way, or to switch places.

None of these hacks determine their strength, but when accounted for, can be very effective, sometimes too effective. Makarov told Mest to go and erase fairy heart from all ft members memories. If Mest used that to fight, teleporting and changing the memories of his opponents to get easy wins, that would be a hax also. Erasing the memory of any magic or how they learned magic. Mest and Minerva have not used their magic in hax ways, but could potentially use it if the want. I'm glad Mashima chose not to. So yeah Jacob has hax magic. Dimaria without being possessed by chronos, would be no more than a knight, a swordsman. She was getting help by an outside source. If Igneel being inside Natsu meant that he feeds Natsu with magic power all the time then that wouldn't be hax, but still unfair. Dimaria was rubbish. Finger pointing and one laser is all she used for offense when she got serious. That's the impression she left with me. Different from Lucy who summons cs using her own magic power and isn't possessed by them. All Dimaria did was get arrogant and losing it when they were moving in that time space, and chronos got mad too for being challenged and attacked. It's was easy for Chelia to not miss her target when the target is just standing there only pointing fingers. Not to say Prime Chelia is weak. Just that Dimaria was more of a statue than anything else. Third origin is simply Chelia's full power at her prime age. So if you want to credit Dimaria for being super strong, and that Chelia is also, consider that Chelia is a slayer with magic made to destroy gods which gives her some advantage. How strong do you think Chelia is at her max potential? Stronger than Laxus or Natsu? Stronger than Makarov or Serena? Possibly. This young generation regardless of guild are very talented. Third origin does not give more power than what they could potentially achieve on their own.

 

[Asorx]

Well I can't explain how Natsu was able to go Dragon Force in the Tartaros Arc, but the fact that he did should tell us something. There were theories and implications that the Dragons leaving the Dragon Slayers' bodies was what made it possible. Honestly, if Natsu can't go DF at will, he is really behind Wendy at this point. Here are two scenarios where Wendy was able to go DF:

Avatar Arc

Spoiler

Alvarez Arc

Spoiler

Dragon Force don't mean over power atack and boost. I think King mode its stronger than DF. Dimara easy can beat wendy with her good soul.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

That hand clapping technique that sends everyone into another dimension is borderline hax if not already. But if he wasn't bluffing that he could kill them in that dimension without needing to go there and kick some ass, then it is hax magic. When one is weaker than someone or weaker than many combined, yet he can defeat them, that is hax magic. Looking back at Kyoka, she wasn't exactly beating Erza. It was a close fight, which I had Erza winning. Point of that is Kyoka whether stronger or weaker than Erza she took all her senses away and increased her pain receptors, her nerves. That is a bs ability, thankfully countered back with a bs ability also they called six sense. What are the chances of anyone else winning if all five senses are taken away and in extreme agony? Very little. Marin and Jacob being able to send others into a different dimension is a bullshit ability. Minerva used it like a prison to hold Milana and Sting's exceed. But didn't use it as a means of victory. She used it to move around to the blind spot of opponents, to get out of harms way, or to switch places.

None of these hacks determine their strength, but when accounted for, can be very effective, sometimes too effective. Makarov told Mest to go and erase fairy heart from all ft members memories. If Mest used that to fight, teleporting and changing the memories of his opponents to get easy wins, that would be a hax also. Erasing the memory of any magic or how they learned magic. Mest and Minerva have not used their magic in hax ways, but could potentially use it if the want. I'm glad Mashima chose not to. So yeah Jacob has hax magic. Dimaria without being possessed by chronos, would be no more than a knight, a swordsman. She was getting help by an outside source. If Igneel being inside Natsu meant that he feeds Natsu with magic power all the time then that wouldn't be hax, but still unfair. Dimaria was rubbish. Finger pointing and one laser is all she used for offense when she got serious. That's the impression she left with me. Different from Lucy who summons cs using her own magic power and isn't possessed by them. All Dimaria did was get arrogant and losing it when they were moving in that time space, and chronos got mad too for being challenged and attacked. It's was easy for Chelia to not miss her target when the target is just standing there only pointing fingers. Not to say Prime Chelia is weak. Just that Dimaria was more of a statue than anything else. Third origin is simply Chelia's full power at her prime age. So if you want to credit Dimaria for being super strong, and that Chelia is also, consider that Chelia is a slayer with magic made to destroy gods which gives her some advantage. How strong do you think Chelia is at her max potential? Stronger than Laxus or Natsu? Stronger than Makarov or Serena? Possibly. This young generation regardless of guild are very talented. Third origin does not give more power than what they could potentially achieve on their own.

If you want to call the hand-clapping technique hax, then that's fine with me but usually hax magic can be countered. If you ask me, Kyōka's magic is not that hax. I mean you really can't kill someone strong by taking away their senses and increasing pain receptors. Besides, I found it quite contradicting, the fact that Kyōka took away Erza's senses, yet she can still feel pain. If anything, she countered herself.

Going back to Jacob, even Happy was able to stop him from completing his hand-clapping attack. So by blowing off Jacob's hands, he shouldn't be able to "transport" anyone. Again, another weakness or counter. Mages like Erza, Natsu, and more can still attack if one of their body parts are gone. This is what differentiates from an average wizard to a strong wizard.

There is really only one Spriggan with a potentially hax magic which is Brandish. She can pinpoint an object inside an object and decrease its size without affecting anything else. Even the way she does it is unknown. I'm sure there is a counter to her magic but it is probably really hard to do so even if you know her magic or tricks. That could be the reason why Hiro Mashima hasn't put her into real action yet. Anyways, that can be discussed another time.

Mest's abilities never struck me as hax magic. Teleporting and changing memories to me does not seem worthy of defeating any opponent especially high-tier mages. Assuming Mest changes the memories of his enemies so that they can't remember how to use their magic attacks, a strong adversary would be able to beat Mest through CQC. Every person has a weakness...

I still disagree about Dimaria and I'm probably the only advocate for her immense powers. From how it was described, it seems Dimaria stops time by "clicking" her teeth. Like I said, every magic has a counter. By breaking Dimaria's teeth, I would assume that could render her magic useless. As for her Takeover: God Soul, I don't see it as getting help from an outside source at all. In fact, there are plenty of other characters who I can argue and say they have gotten help from someone else. All of Dimaria's powers were legitimate in my eyes and the fight would have ended well had Ultear never appeared and given Chelia, Third Origin. But talking about Dimaria's stats, she is very powerful. Her attack power is somewhat inconclusive as she was against weak opponents. That beam may have been able to pierce through stronger characters, it was never proven. The fact that we saw her put out such high levels of energy during her transformation and fight with Kagura tells us something. Not to mention, standing still meant that she was confident and strong enough to keep her ground. With Dimaria seemingly having high defense, average attack, average speed, average intelligence, and high magical energy, I can't see her as a low-tier Spriggan besides the nonsense of Third Origin involved. I was never a fan of that battle. Wendy and Chelia should have lost badly.

Relating to the topic above, I'm not saying I don't want Ultear to come back. I really do hope she returns again, but not with some made-up powers like Third Origin, which is in fact, a hax magic. That is why Hiro Mashima had to put such a restriction on it like losing your magic for all eternity afterwards. I can go more into Third Origin but I'll try to keep this as short as possible. Back in GMG, Ultear never mentioned about TO. Instead, she gave Team Natsu, Second Origin. From then on, the Eclipse Arc took place and she became irrelevant to the series. Without any training, how did she acquire the power to give someone TO unless she already had such powers. But don't you think she would have at least talked about it when she gave Team Natsu SO? Second Origin was legit because it was explained that every wizard had a hidden "second container" that can be accessed. Similar to the psychology of the brain. There is research indicating that parts of the brain are not active and can be unlocked by a certain stimulus. On the other hand, what is Third Origin? A hidden "third container"? See where I'm going? So if SO can help a mage catch up 7 years, just imagine TO. Future Rogue destroys GMG Natsu and you can already see the difference in powers.

Anyways, if Igneel being inside Natsu did indeed feed him power, that would be hax to the very max. But because that is not the case, then I am okay with it. Lucy doesn't have an Takeover so she shouldn't be able to do what Dimaria did. If Lucy did, then gaining power from her Celestial Spirits would be fine. Her Star Dress pretty much has similar effects to Takeover anyways except her Celestial Spirits cannot match the God, Chronos. Again, Chelia at her prime is OP. Nobody may agree with me but I see it from a different perspective and she can be a real problem or threat with such power. The question here is how much power can Chelia achieve on her own? Considering that there are mages who don't even reach their prime at such an old age, Chelia's power can grow immensely.

Dragon Force don't mean over power atack and boost. I think King mode its stronger than DF. Dimara easy can beat wendy with her good soul.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. If you're referring to my comment that Natsu is behind Wendy if he hasn't achieved Dragon Force at will, what I meant was not necessarily in power. The fact that he doesn't have the capability to perform such a feat that Wendy can easily achieve makes him less of a mage, especially since it has to do with training. Meaning he didn't train hard enough or learn what he was supposed to learn by now. However, he clearly trained a lot already which is why I can't imagine him being unable to go DF.

 

[BluePegasus]

All her feats against Freed aren't even comparable to the roar, nor is Gajeel weaker than Mira and the Macro couldn't control some fodder, so unless those fodder are>Gajeel Marco isn't working.

When couldn't she use Macro?

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I Think If Jacob Had Fought Natsu outside The Guild Then He would have Lost Surely.Jacob makes Stealth Attack From Behind.But To Make Stealth Attack He needs To Get Close To His Opponent.Now We had seen Jacob was just burning From Natsu's Aura in FDKM.So It will be difficult for Him To Attack Natsu as He will be Burned.Lucy and Natsu Together Defeated Jacob.And We didn't see Any Indication that Jacob was Holding Back.On The Contrary He was Giving 100 Percent.

He don't need to come close to his opponents, he can just throw an invisible knive or something. He didn't, but he could. So he was holding back.

 

[Arjuna]

When couldn't she use Macro?

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He don't need to come close to his opponents, he can just throw an invisible knive or something. He didn't, but he could. So he was holding back.

We had seen What Happened to His Knives When It Touched Natsu.It had just Melted.There is no proof He was Holding Back. On The Contrary He had Goven Every thing.So Even if He had Thrown More Knives It would All Have Melted.