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Gray's JOKE about Laxus was implying that Laxus is a monster/brute who can take down a bear and eat it with no f***s given, not that he is "not so intelligent"?

Oh but please, do continue to search for more instances where Laxus was "acting like he had low intelligence". Comparing FF arc Laxus's mindset to current Laxus's mindset and using temper were definitely desperate and funny attempts from you to try and make Laxus look like a fool, but I think that this attempt with Gray's joke takes the cake. :yodawg
 

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Oh goodness, using Grays words of eating a bear to say he's not smart? Then you try and say Erza is smart when she drools at the thought of eating a bear also?
 

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This "whose smarter than whose" arguement is funny and all but how about we discuss something else, the next powerhouse in Fairy tail. Jellal, Laxus, and Natsu are clearly the elites of the Ishgar side of things. I wanna say they are equal in strength, do u all agree? Or is it still up for debate?
 

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Wow. Nice job on responding to 10 percent of my post that wasn't meant to be taken seriously and ignoring the other 90 percent that disproves your argument....
You told me that I kept repeating the same statement, and I responded. When did I ignore 90% of your post? Look again. I replied to every single point of yours. In case you didn't notice, I ignored all of your taunting beforehand so you're just trying to change the topic of this argument now.

You don't have to say it word for word since your argument implies it. Just because I'm saying Laxus doesn't have low intelligence doesn't mean I think he's perfect. I never said that he excels in intelligience. It's just that you simply downplay his intelligience by saying he can't think straight. When has Mira shown more intelligence than Laxus?
My argument implies nothing of that sort. I gave reasons for why I think Laxus is not intelligent. You got offended for some reason and decided to throw insults at me. The fact that you see me downplay Laxus when I'm not tells me that you are either bias or trying to pick a fight.

Let me guess. All these other feats of Laxus doing something not so bright are from the FF arc, right? lol
No. If you have been keeping up with what I said, you wouldn't assume or ask such a question.

Laxus went to the South with a fairly powerful group under the First's order while Natsu charged Zeref and a million other soldiers alone of his own accord. How you find these two situations comparable is beyond me.This is by far your most desperate attempt to downplay Laxus's intelligence (and that's saying a lot).
Again, you tell me that I'm downplaying Laxus. I have my own opinion on why I think Laxus is the way he is and I even mentioned that he was powerful. Someone who downplays Laxus wouldn't admit that. The subject started off with me arguing that the difference between Kagua and Freed were not even comparable , and after I mentioned one minor comparison to prove my point, you felt you needed to protect that character. Before you criticize that I deny Laxus' feats, look at yourself and wonder whether you're the one who is simply overrating your favorite character.

I already told you that although Zeref is stronger than Wahl, at least Zeref is not a direct counter to Natsu. On the other hand, we have Wahl who is a direct counter to Laxus... Not that hard to understand if you just read my post.

When did Laxus know that Wahl was immune to lightning before hand? If he did then he wouldn't he have used red lightning from the start? Even if he did know, you can't use that as a reason why he can't think straight. Erza knew that Ajeel was immune to her swords yet she went and fought him on her own.
Fine, assuming that Laxus didn't know that Wahl was invulnerable to lightning, Wahl still told Laxus during their battle that it didn't affect him. But Laxus still chose to fight because the only thing he saw was him defeating Wahl which wasn't a guarantee. Erza is different. She didn't know Ajeel was unaffected by swords at first but once they fought and Erza found out, she was able to counter him. Laxus never countered Wahl. He simply won by PoF and Nakama Power.

What is the point of this post? Are you trying to tell me that people who eat bears for dinner have low intelligence?:yodawg
Seriously, this post is not hard to understand like most of you make it out to be. It literally portrays Laxus as someone who has low intelligence.

Gray's JOKE about Laxus was implying that Laxus is a monster/brute who can take down a bear and eat it with no f***s given, not that he is "not so intelligent"?

Oh but please, do continue to search for more instances where Laxus was "acting like he had low intelligence". Comparing FF arc Laxus's mindset to current Laxus's mindset and using temper were definitely desperate and funny attempts from you to try and make Laxus look like a fool, but I think that this attempt with Gray's joke takes the cake. :yodawg
Oh goodness, using Grays words of eating a bear to say he's not smart? Then you try and say Erza is smart when she drools at the thought of eating a bear also?
Even Laxus' words "Man! I'm starved!" and then running off made the rest of the team think he was not in the right mind. So look at the context and don't just pick off one statement.
 

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The fact that you are using academic intelligence here proves that you don't understand what the subject of debate is. Academic intelligence won't impact the outcome of a fight by much, if at all. The term, intelligence, is referring to strategy/tactics. Anyways, Mirajane is obviously smart because she works around the guild 24/7. In a sense, she is depicted as Makarov's right hand woman. She is the one who coordinates and acts like the advisor of the guild. There is no need to debate that because even Makarov wouldn't put Laxus in that position even though he is his grandson.
We already know why Laxus isn't in the same position as Mira....... he was trying to surpass his grandfather and doesn't want people to view him as Makarov's grandson, he still holds this close to heart as seen when he shut down Jura as soon as Jura called him Makarov's grandson. Also, why the hell does Mira being Makarov's assistant make her smart? I asked you to provide evidence of Mira doing something smart and you've failed to do so. Also where is your evidence of Gildarts doing something clever.
Academic intelligence is clearly a large factor as seen with people like Levy. Levy was an S-Class candidate because of her academic skill so yes it does play a role.

Meanwhile, Erza has actually proved that she is capable of thinking logically. For example, she understood how to combine her own powers with the Etherion in the Tower of Heaven as she was going to save Natsu by channeling the explosion away from him even while under stressful conditions plus a time limit.

She never actually got to fuse with the Lacrima and her idea never really came to fruition so this point is invalid and makes no sense because we never actually got to see it happen.

Secondly, Erza was able to counter Midnight by noting how he was able to use his magic and being able to look through it.




This was indeed a great use of strategy, I'll give you that.

Lastly, Erza figured out that in order to hit Ajeel, she had to combine her attacks with water because water makes sand somewhat adhesive.




Erza has many more feats that I just cannot name all of them. You will need to try better if you want to prove Laxus can beat anything on the level of these feats.
The Ajeel feat was also an intelligence feat but neither of the two feats that you have provided are anywhere near as clever or on the scale of the fighting festival. They were also never planned ahead of time like Laxus vs Wahl was, Laxus fought Wahl for vengeance and to heal himself, he deduced that he could heal himself from the information that was provided to him by Freed and planned it all ahead of time, that's how clever he is.


Excuses. You're trying to pick out differences and mislead the subject of debate. My point was that Laxus criticizes Natsu for not thinking and charging at Zeref when he did the same thing. Laxus charged straight at Wahl knowing that his magic wouldn't work on him. Mavis' orders and Freed's words have nothing to do with this. In fact, Mavis wasn't as bright as we thought and her orders proved reckless. To follow her or Freed wouldn't mean you are intelligent. It would be the opposite. Instead of trying to use points to win an argument, you should understand what this topic is first and then look back at your own post to see if it makes sense.
Not excuses genius, facts, every single thing I said is a fact, he was sent South because Mavis sent him south, he entered the battlefield right alongside all of his comrades and headed straight for Wahl so that he could heal himself and defeat Wahl. Natsu charged straight to Zeref and 1 million Alvarez soldiers alone and without anyones help or consent, the comparison is laughable, I knew you were unreasonable, I just didn't realise how unreasonable. Laxus went according to the first's plan and succeeded, Natsu went along with his own selfish reckless plan and failed miserably.


I know what his plan is. Vengeance means nothing if you don't have the capability to succeed in doing so. By charging right in knowing that he was at a disadvantage, I would say that Laxus wasn't using his brain. Actually, Laxus did know Wahl could nullify barrier particles and that Wahl was a direct counter to him so your point is invalid.
But he did have the capability to do so, he straight up killed Wahl and avenged his comrades, he also healed himself while he was at it and he planned all of this ahead of time, the only thing that didn't go according to plan was getting one of those attacks from the magic barrier particles right in the middle of battle........... Laxus' plan worked, he has been healed and Wahl is dead, mission success. That's a true display of intelligence. Laxus had red lightning up his sleeve, only he knew he had that, Wahl didn't know and Laxus held off on it until Wahl cured him before using it to finish him off.


I don't even understand your point about Freed telling Laxus that Wahl can nullify his Jutsu Shiki? Laxus already knew that.
All that this means is that Laxus planned this all from the start, he planned many steps ahead in order to get Wahl to cure him........ that just makes him look like a genius:yodawg. Your digging yourself into a hole here.


I need to explain this to you? I thought providing you a panel was enough but if you refuse to understand it yourself, then all I can say is that the panel depicts Laxus as a guy who not so intelligent.
HOW?! How on gods green earth does this depict him to be "not so intelligent"? The fact that Erza is thinking about bear and drooling makes her look completely stupid:yodawg.
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Oh goodness, using Grays words of eating a bear to say he's not smart? Then you try and say Erza is smart when she drools at the thought of eating a bear also?
ROFL! That's exactly what I said........ he is also using the fact that Mira is Makarov's secretary to say that she is smarter then Laxus :epicfacepalm
 

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You told me that I kept repeating the same statement, and I responded. When did I ignore 90% of your post? Look again. I replied to every single point of yours. In case you didn't notice, I ignored all of your taunting beforehand so you're just trying to change the topic of this argument now.



My argument implies nothing of that sort. I gave reasons for why I think Laxus is not intelligent. You got offended for some reason and decided to throw insults at me. The fact that you see me downplay Laxus when I'm not tells me that you are either bias or trying to pick a fight.



No. If you have been keeping up with what I said, you wouldn't assume or ask such a question.



Again, you tell me that I'm downplaying Laxus. I have my own opinion on why I think Laxus is the way he is and I even mentioned that he was powerful. Someone who downplays Laxus wouldn't admit that. The subject started off with me arguing that the difference between Kagua and Freed were not even comparable , and after I mentioned one minor comparison to prove my point, you felt you needed to protect that character. Before you criticize that I deny Laxus' feats, look at yourself and wonder whether you're the one who is simply overrating your favorite character.

I already told you that although Zeref is stronger than Wahl, at least Zeref is not a direct counter to Natsu. On the other hand, we have Wahl who is a direct counter to Laxus... Not that hard to understand if you just read my post.



Fine, assuming that Laxus didn't know that Wahl was invulnerable to lightning, Wahl still told Laxus during their battle that it didn't affect him. But Laxus still chose to fight because the only thing he saw was him defeating Wahl which wasn't a guarantee. Erza is different. She didn't know Ajeel was unaffected by swords at first but once they fought and Erza found out, she was able to counter him. Laxus never countered Wahl. He simply won by PoF and Nakama Power.



Seriously, this post is not hard to understand like most of you make it out to be. It literally portrays Laxus as someone who has low intelligence.





Even Laxus' words "Man! I'm starved!" and then running off made the rest of the team think he was not in the right mind. So look at the context and don't just pick off one statement.
Too bad he wasn't starved and made a random excuse to run off because of his condition...You look at the damn context next time.
 

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We already know why Laxus isn't in the same position as Mira....... he was trying to surpass his grandfather and doesn't want people to view him as Makarov's grandson, he still holds this close to heart as seen when he shut down Jura as soon as Jura called him Makarov's grandson. Also, why the hell does Mira being Makarov's assistant make her smart? I asked you to provide evidence of Mira doing something smart and you've failed to do so. Also where is your evidence of Gildarts doing something clever.
Academic intelligence is clearly a large factor as seen with people like Levy. Levy was an S-Class candidate because of her academic skill so yes it does play a role.
Mirajane is smart because she can't take care of all the paperwork if she has low intelligence like Natsu. Gildarts is clever in his own way. The scene you mentioned about Gildarts walking through the wall was when he was confused. He had been away so long and even fought Acnologia which may have caused him trauma or stress. Especially after half of his body was torn off. Anyways, I never said Gildarts was smart but he isn't portrayed as a character with low intelligence either, so he is average.

Levy being an S-Class candidate means nothing. Like I said, Makarov ran out of choices. What S-Class cannot defeat a dog + chicken fodder? I'm talking about Yomazu and Kawazu here.

She never actually got to fuse with the Lacrima and her idea never really came to fruition so this point is invalid and makes no sense because we never actually got to see it happen.
Actually, we did see the outcome of it indirectly.


Jellal proved it. It was even explained in the manga.

The Ajeel feat was also an intelligence feat but neither of the two feats that you have provided are anywhere near as clever or on the scale of the fighting festival. They were also never planned ahead of time like Laxus vs Wahl was, Laxus fought Wahl for vengeance and to heal himself, he deduced that he could heal himself from the information that was provided to him by Freed and planned it all ahead of time, that's how clever he is.
That is your opinion. But even so, Erza has way more intelligent feats than Laxus.

Not excuses genius, facts, every single thing I said is a fact, he was sent South because Mavis sent him south, he entered the battlefield right alongside all of his comrades and headed straight for Wahl so that he could heal himself and defeat Wahl. Natsu charged straight to Zeref and 1 million Alvarez soldiers alone and without anyones help or consent, the comparison is laughable, I knew you were unreasonable, I just didn't realise how unreasonable. Laxus went according to the first's plan and succeeded, Natsu went along with his own selfish reckless plan and failed miserably.
Did I say it wasn't a fact? I just said it was an excuse which is true because nothing about Mavis' orders or Freed's words would impact Laxus' and Natsu's intelligence. Laxus succeeding was due to pure luck and PoF. Get real.

But he did have the capability to do so, he straight up killed Wahl and avenged his comrades, he also healed himself while he was at it and he planned all of this ahead of time, the only thing that didn't go according to plan was getting one of those attacks from the magic barrier particles right in the middle of battle........... Laxus' plan worked, he has been healed and Wahl is dead, mission success. That's a true display of intelligence. Laxus had red lightning up his sleeve, only he knew he had that, Wahl didn't know and Laxus held off on it until Wahl cured him before using it to finish him off.
Without plot protecting Laxus, he would have failed. I have said this so many times despite the fact that I have manga feats to prove it. But this doesn't even have anything to do with what I said. I said Laxus is not intelligent because he criticized Natsu of something when he did the same thing.

All that this means is that Laxus planned this all from the start, he planned many steps ahead in order to get Wahl to cure him........ that just makes him look like a genius:yodawg. Your digging yourself into a hole here.
So 1 feat means Laxus is intelligent? By that logic, every character in the manga is not only considered average, but very smart with high intelligence.

HOW?! How on gods green earth does this depict him to be "not so intelligent"? The fact that Erza is thinking about bear and drooling makes her look completely stupid:yodawg.
I really can't explain it anymore than what I have done. You refuse to understand it. Laxus is being made fun of by his own comrades. If it is one person, then maybe I'll let it slide. The fact is that Laxus is known to be less resourceful with his knowledge and Hiro Mashima goes out of his way to portray it. As for Erza, yes, she was being used for comedy here, but if you were to compare them then the amount of intelligent feats she has far surpasses her illogical ones.

Too bad he wasn't starved and made a random excuse to run off because of his condition...You look at the damn context next time.
I know he wasn't hungry, but he could have just told them the truth instead of using such a lame excuse that even Gray could see through. That just makes me question Laxus' intelligence more.
 

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Mirajane is smart because she can't take care of all the paperwork if she has low intelligence like Natsu. Gildarts is clever in his own way. The scene you mentioned about Gildarts walking through the wall was when he was confused. He had been away so long and even fought Acnologia which may have caused him trauma or stress. Especially after half of his body was torn off. Anyways, I never said Gildarts was smart but he isn't portrayed as a character with low intelligence either, so he is average.

Levy being an S-Class candidate means nothing. Like I said, Makarov ran out of choices. What S-Class cannot defeat a dog + chicken fodder? I'm talking about Yomazu and Kawazu here.



Actually, we did see the outcome of it indirectly.


Jellal proved it. It was even explained in the manga.



That is your opinion. But even so, Erza has way more intelligent feats than Laxus.



Did I say it wasn't a fact? I just said it was an excuse which is true because nothing about Mavis' orders or Freed's words would impact Laxus' and Natsu's intelligence. Laxus succeeding was due to pure luck and PoF. Get real.



Without plot protecting Laxus, he would have failed. I have said this so many times despite the fact that I have manga feats to prove it. But this doesn't even have anything to do with what I said. I said Laxus is not intelligent because he criticized Natsu of something when he did the same thing.



So 1 feat means Laxus is intelligent? By that logic, every character in the manga is not only considered average, but very smart with high intelligence.



I really can't explain it anymore than what I have done. You refuse to understand it. Laxus is being made fun of by his own comrades. If it is one person, then maybe I'll let it slide. The fact is that Laxus is known to be less resourceful with his knowledge and Hiro Mashima goes out of his way to portray it. As for Erza, yes, she was being used for comedy here, but if you were to compare them then the amount of intelligent feats she has far surpasses her illogical ones.



I know he wasn't hungry, but he could have just told them the truth instead of using such a lame excuse that even Gray could see through. That just makes me question Laxus' intelligence more.
A lame excuse? That even Gray could see through? Laxus literally fooled everyone but Gray and Gray is one of the smarter members, try again. And Gray only went off to find him after Erza and co had asked him about it, he didn't even notice off that bat.
 

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A lame excuse? That even Gray could see through? Laxus literally fooled everyone but Gray and Gray is one of the smarter members, try again. And Gray only went off to find him after Erza and co had asked him about it, he didn't even notice off that bat.
I don't think anyone was fooled. They thought Laxus was the fool. Their statements literally indicate that. You're just making it seem like they were fooled to prove your point. And Gray being the smartest member is just an excuse. Nothing here shows Gray and Carla noticing that Laxus was missing after Wendy asked the question... Actually, because they answered it immediately after the question was asked, that meant they already knew that before Laxus was missing. Nobody stood there and pondered where he went. They knew he was gone, they just didn't know where.

Anyways, I won't argue on such a pointless and useless scene. The fact here is that no matter how you spin this, the truth still lies in the panels.
 

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The is the biggest failure of a reply that I've ever seen, even worst then the one you had before, this will be my last reply on the matter because you waisted enough of my time already.
Mirajane is smart because she can't take care of all the paperwork if she has low intelligence like Natsu. Gildarts is clever in his own way. The scene you mentioned about Gildarts walking through the wall was when he was confused. He had been away so long and even fought Acnologia which may have caused him trauma or stress. Especially after half of his body was torn off. Anyways, I never said Gildarts was smart but he isn't portrayed as a character with low intelligence either, so he is average.
You said that academic intelligence means nothing, yet you contradict yourself by saying that Mirajane needs to be smart to take care of all the paperwork, keep digging yourself into that hole. You are now making excuses about trauma and stress to save face for Gildarts, if it was never stated, then it isn't factual, you can't just go of portrayal genius, you need facts and for the third time you've failed to bring any proof of Gildarts doing anything clever and most certainly nothing on the scale or intricacy of the fighting festival and nothing on the level of Laxus vs Wahl.

Levy being an S-Class candidate means nothing. Like I said, Makarov ran out of choices. What S-Class cannot defeat a dog + chicken fodder? I'm talking about Yomazu and Kawazu here.
As I said, her strength lies in her intelligence and not her combat prowess and that Makarov chose her because of her academic intelligence and to some degree her solid script magic. If you want to deny Levy S-Class status, then bring proof of someone saying that Makarov ran out of choices.......... Gajeel didn't get the call up, Lucy didn't and Wendy didn't, Levy got the call ahead of them, hmm I wonder why? They're all better fighters than Levy, why didn't they get called up? Keep digging yourself into that hole buddy.

Actually, we did see the outcome of it indirectly.


Jellal proved it. It was even explained in the manga.
She never went through with it and you have no proof that it would have worked, indirectly implied doesn't work, she thought that Jellal "maybe, just maybe did it" where is the proof that he did. Logic would suppory the answer that he didn't....... because you know, Jellal is alive. His body hasn't been broken down, so no this argument still doesn't work, no facts, just Erza implying things.


That is your opinion. But even so, Erza has way more intelligent feats than Laxus.
She has more feats because she is in the manga more........ she has over double the panel time that Laxus has, it's so simple yet you can't see it, she has more intelligence feats than Levy, does that mean Erza is more intelligent than Levy? You have still failed to bring an Erza feat/plan that is on the scale or intricacy of the fighting festival. Keep digging that hole


Did I say it wasn't a fact? I just said it was an excuse which is true because nothing about Mavis' orders or Freed's words would impact Laxus' and Natsu's intelligence. Laxus succeeding was due to pure luck and PoF. Get real.
This is when I know you've nearly reached rock bottom, when you start saying stuff like "pure luck and PoF". When the hell did I say anything about Mavis or Freed's words impacting Laxus or Natsu' intelligence? What the hell does your first statement even mean? The fact is that Laxus followed Mavis' orders and successfully completed his mission while Natsu didn't listen to anyone and failed miserably. As I stated and proved in nearly all of my posts before, Laxus went south under the first's orders and came up with a plan to heal himself, he commenced with his plan when him and his comrades arrived on the battlefield and it was successful, how the hell is that luck? Whether you want to call red lightning PoF is up to you, the fact is that it was a spell that Laxus could use which is different to other lightning and can affect Wahl and Laxus waited until he was healed to use it and kill Wahl.
It was a brilliant plan and it worked out perfectly, end of story. Keep digging yourself that hole.


Without plot protecting Laxus, he would have failed. I have said this so many times despite the fact that I have manga feats to prove it. But this doesn't even have anything to do with what I said. I said Laxus is not intelligent because he criticized Natsu of something when he did the same thing.
"Without plot protecting Laxus, he would have failed". This is when we all know you've run out of idea's, your now blaming the plot for Laxus' intelligence, without the plot that is supposedly protecting Laxus, Laxus wouldn't even have gone South in the first place, he went South and fought Wahl because of the plot, that's what the plot made him do, the plot made Wahl have an immunity to lightning, the plot made Laxus still have those magical barrier particles in his body even after he was supposedly healed just to nerf him, that's what the plot did. Worst excuse from you so far. You said that Laxus "did the same thing"....... again, how on earth is it the same thing? Natsu went straight to Zeref, Invel and 1 million Alvarez soldiers by himself, he received no orders to do so and ultimately failed in his quest. Laxus went South under orders from Mavis, he joined the battle alongside all of his comrades, Wendy, Gray, Erza and Juvia all entered battle before Laxus as well and Laxus went straight for Wahl to take him out and get himself healed. Doing the exact same thing would have been, Laxus leaving the guild as soon as the Wahl bot blew up, flying over to the south and attacking Wahl. The two situations are incomparable lol. Your desperation is showing. Keep digging that hole, you've almost reached the point of no return.



So 1 feat means Laxus is intelligent? By that logic, every character in the manga is not only considered average, but very smart with high intelligence.
2 manga feats and one that has yet to be matched by anything you have brought forward, which is the fighting festival. The intricacy of Laxus' plan against Wahl and the fact that he devised it from the information he was given is also genius, so it most certainly doesn't put Laxus at the bottom of the S-Class barrel like you keep suggesting.
Keep digging.


I really can't explain it anymore than what I have done. You refuse to understand it. Laxus is being made fun of by his own comrades. If it is one person, then maybe I'll let it slide. The fact is that Laxus is known to be less resourceful with his knowledge and Hiro Mashima goes out of his way to portray it. As for Erza, yes, she was being used for comedy here, but if you were to compare them then the amount of intelligent feats she has far surpasses her illogical ones.
She has far surpassed her illogical ones because she is one of the focal points of the story genius, if I were to nitpick and go into all the details, I would find enough illogical/stupid feats from Erza that would surpass her intelligence feats, but I'm not wasting more of my time on you. How the hell is he being made fun of? Gray said he's the kind of guy who would eat a bear. That literally means he's a big guy, which we all know Laxus is. Carla said that it was a bit weird when he ran off because he made a silly excuse to get away from everyone so that he could hide his illness.
Keep on digging, you've almost reached the bottom.

I know he wasn't hungry, but he could have just told them the truth instead of using such a lame excuse that even Gray could see through. That just makes me question Laxus' intelligence more.
HAHA! Of course it's a lame excuse, his excuse is almost as lame as your attempt to make him seem unintelligent, it was a lame excuse because he wanted to get away quickly, why did he want to get away? Because he didn't want to make his friends worry about him and now your saying he should "have just told them the truth"....... why? Why should he have told them anything, it's his problem, not theirs, why does he have to worry his comrades about his situation? Gray saw through it because it was a lame excuse and why are you saying "even Gray"? Like Gray's some idiot, Gray is clearly one of the smarter people in this series and he simply read the situation. Biggest fail yet.
Congrats you hit rock bottom. It speaks volumes that about 80% of your posts on this board are all regarding Laxus.:yodawg
I'm done, I'm not even going to reply to your horrendous posts anymore lol.
 

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You said that academic intelligence means nothing, yet you contradict yourself by saying that Mirajane needs to be smart to take care of all the paperwork, keep digging yourself into that hole. You are now making excuses about trauma and stress to save face for Gildarts, if it was never stated, then it isn't factual, you can't just go of portrayal genius, you need facts and for the third time you've failed to bring any proof of Gildarts doing anything clever and most certainly nothing on the scale or intricacy of the fighting festival and nothing on the level of Laxus vs Wahl.
You still don't understand. Makarov puts his trust into Mirajane because she is the most sensible one in the guild. You can see that she doesn't join in on the recklessness that happens in the guild. Saying that Mirajane does the paperwork was just an example to show you what she is capable of in the guild. Besides, Mirajane hasn't shown anything that would make her have low intelligence.

Like I said, Gildarts is neutral. You can't go make excuses just to win this argument.

Intricacy of the Fighting Festival? I think you need to to check on that statement. The whole plan was a failure. Not to mention, most of the "intricacy" was done by Freed, not Laxus. The Thunder Palace wasn't so smart. It put civilians in danger and was not well thought out like you think it is.

As I said, her strength lies in her intelligence and not her combat prowess and that Makarov chose her because of her academic intelligence and to some degree her solid script magic. If you want to deny Levy S-Class status, then bring proof of someone saying that Makarov ran out of choices.......... Gajeel didn't get the call up, Lucy didn't and Wendy didn't, Levy got the call ahead of them, hmm I wonder why? They're all better fighters than Levy, why didn't they get called up? Keep digging yourself into that hole buddy.
Now you're just desperate. Makarov didn't nominate Gajeel because he was acting as a messenger between Fairy Tail and Ivan Dreyar. Lucy and Wendy didn't get picked because they were even close to being an S-Class tier. They only got stronger after the Tartaros Arc and Alvarez Arc. Any more excuses? Levy who is known as the leader of Team Shadow Gear was literally Makarov's only choice.

She never went through with it and you have no proof that it would have worked, indirectly implied doesn't work, she thought that Jellal "maybe, just maybe did it" where is the proof that he did. Logic would suppory the answer that he didn't....... because you know, Jellal is alive. His body hasn't been broken down, so no this argument still doesn't work, no facts, just Erza implying things.
Actually, it did work. It was a solid explanation of why Natsu and Erza didn't die. You're just in denial. And Jellal was not alive. Remember in the Oración Seis Arc? Brain needed Wendy to "revive" Jellal. So before you go making stuff up, check the manga.

She has more feats because she is in the manga more........ she has over double the panel time that Laxus has, it's so simple yet you can't see it, she has more intelligence feats than Levy, does that mean Erza is more intelligent than Levy? You have still failed to bring an Erza feat/plan that is on the scale or intricacy of the fighting festival. Keep digging that hole
Laxus had many chances to make himself look smart. We had a whole arc dedicated to him. What more do you want? Sure, Erza has more feats but Laxus has enough himself. Again, you keep using the two same examples to prove your point when none of them works.

This is when I know you've nearly reached rock bottom, when you start saying stuff like "pure luck and PoF". When the hell did I say anything about Mavis or Freed's words impacting Laxus or Natsu' intelligence? What the hell does your first statement even mean? The fact is that Laxus followed Mavis' orders and successfully completed his mission while Natsu didn't listen to anyone and failed miserably. As I stated and proved in nearly all of my posts before, Laxus went south under the first's orders and came up with a plan to heal himself, he commenced with his plan when him and his comrades arrived on the battlefield and it was successful, how the hell is that luck? Whether you want to call red lightning PoF is up to you, the fact is that it was a spell that Laxus could use which is different to other lightning and can affect Wahl and Laxus waited until he was healed to use it and kill Wahl.
It was a brilliant plan and it worked out perfectly, end of story. Keep digging yourself that hole.
You keep saying that Natsu isn't so intelligent because he defied Mavis' orders, approached Zeref, and lost. Then you use the fact that Laxus followed Mavis' orders, listened to Freed's words, defeated Wahl, and won. Nothing about Mavis or Freed matters here which is exactly my point. When you need someone to analyze your own post, that just means you aren't even following the discussion. I already explained why the Jutsu Shiki canceling out the Magical Barrier Particles was a plothole. I even disproved the logic behind the Red Lightning attack. You have nothing at your disposal to argue now. I can tell when someone is slipping.

"Without plot protecting Laxus, he would have failed". This is when we all know you've run out of idea's, your now blaming the plot for Laxus' intelligence, without the plot that is supposedly protecting Laxus, Laxus wouldn't even have gone South in the first place, he went South and fought Wahl because of the plot, that's what the plot made him do, the plot made Wahl have an immunity to lightning, the plot made Laxus still have those magical barrier particles in his body even after he was supposedly healed just to nerf him, that's what the plot did. Worst excuse from you so far. You said that Laxus "did the same thing"....... again, how on earth is it the same thing? Natsu went straight to Zeref, Invel and 1 million Alvarez soldiers by himself, he received no orders to do so and ultimately failed in his quest. Laxus went South under orders from Mavis, he joined the battle alongside all of his comrades, Wendy, Gray, Erza and Juvia all entered battle before Laxus as well and Laxus went straight for Wahl to take him out and get himself healed. Doing the exact same thing would have been, Laxus leaving the guild as soon as the Wahl bot blew up, flying over to the south and attacking Wahl. The two situations are incomparable lol. Your desperation is showing. Keep digging that hole, you've almost reached the point of no return.
Plot is not an excuse. It actually happened. Like I said, Natsu has his own problems but don't tell me Laxus was different. If Laxus left the guild to fight the fake Wahl, then I agree he wouldn't be so smart. But what he did also wasn't so sensible either. Also, Laxus didn't fight alongside his comrades. He let anger get to him and separated because he wanted to be the one to take down Wahl by himself.

2 manga feats and one that has yet to be matched by anything you have brought forward, which is the fighting festival. The intricacy of Laxus' plan against Wahl and the fact that he devised it from the information he was given is also genius, so it most certainly doesn't put Laxus at the bottom of the S-Class barrel like you keep suggesting.
Keep digging.
Exactly. The 2 manga feats that you keep using without realizing that it doesn't even explain Laxus' intelligence. Actually, due to the fallacy of those feats, it would only make Laxus even luckier.

She has far surpassed her illogical ones because she is one of the focal points of the story genius, if I were to nitpick and go into all the details, I would find enough illogical/stupid feats from Erza that would surpass her intelligence feats, but I'm not wasting more of my time on you. How the hell is he being made fun of? Gray said he's the kind of guy who would eat a bear. That literally means he's a big guy, which we all know Laxus is. Carla said that it was a bit weird when he ran off because he made a silly excuse to get away from everyone so that he could hide his illness.
Keep on digging, you've almost reached the bottom.
Go ahead and find some feats of Erza showing low intelligence. Sure, she has comedy relief associated with some of her feats but they are well compensated for her actual intelligent ones. The reason you don't is because you are either lazy or you know that Erza is smart. So you're interpreting Gray's words to say Laxus is fat? That is not what I saw in that statement but whatever suits you. No, Carla never mentioned anything about Laxus hiding his illness. She just restated his statement and you can tell by her eyes that she didn't think it was that logical.

HAHA! Of course it's a lame excuse, his excuse is almost as lame as your attempt to make him seem unintelligent, it was a lame excuse because he wanted to get away quickly, why did he want to get away? Because he didn't want to make his friends worry about him and now your saying he should "have just told them the truth"....... why? Why should he have told them anything, it's his problem, not theirs, why does he have to worry his comrades about his situation? Gray saw through it because it was a lame excuse and why are you saying "even Gray"? Like Gray's some idiot, Gray is clearly one of the smarter people in this series and he simply read the situation. Biggest fail yet.
Look at what happened when Gray found out. What was the worse that could've happened? Gray didn't just sit there and worry. Come on. Everybody would have been understanding. They worried for their comrades on the battlefield. They worried about Natsu fighting Zeref. They worried about Erza recovering from her injuries. What would make Laxus different? It's better to let everyone know than to hide it and make random, lame excuses. None of these things prevents Fairy Tail from moving forward like you keep thinking.

Congrats you hit rock bottom. It speaks volumes that about 80% of your posts on this board are all regarding Laxus.:yodawg
I'm done, I'm not even going to reply to your horrendous posts anymore lol.
The more you try to deny feats and twist my posts, the more you're just drawing your inner fanboy out. It's not my fault that I have reasons to believe that Laxus is not as intelligent as you paint him to be. You have yours so I don't understand why you're getting all worked up over your bias because of a simple statement.
 
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Guys, there really is no point in arguing with him. No matter how much you prove your points with reasonable arguments AND canon material, he will just ignore most of what you say.

Laxus is definitely not dumb at all. But then again, so isn't Natsu. Neither of them is really dumb. Natsu has his naive and seemingly dumb moments but he has shown to take note of a lot of things. He is not dumb. And Laxus might be reckless but that doesn't mean that he is dumb. In fact he has shown to be able to use strategic thinking during fights. So there's that. It's as simple as this.
 
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I don't think anyone was fooled. They thought Laxus was the fool. Their statements literally indicate that. You're just making it seem like they were fooled to prove your point. And Gray being the smartest member is just an excuse. Nothing here shows Gray and Carla noticing that Laxus was missing after Wendy asked the question... Actually, because they answered it immediately after the question was asked, that meant they already knew that before Laxus was missing. Nobody stood there and pondered where he went. They knew he was gone, they just didn't know where.

Anyways, I won't argue on such a pointless and useless scene. The fact here is that no matter how you spin this, the truth still lies in the panels.
They were fooled point, blank, period. They fought Laxus went to the woods to eat a bear for food, he fooled them there's not way around this. Please tell me how eating a bear in the woods makes him a fool? Your arguments reach so much it's almost funny. And no Gray being the smartest isn't a lame excuse because he is, hence why he only found Gray because the others were fooled. Laxus says he's going to get some food before he went, his excuse worked there's no running from this.
 

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Natsu's intelligence in the battle has been potrayed high.But outside battle you know what.
I don't see how it's been protrayed high. Obviously he's smarter in battle outside of it, but I dont see this magical "high protrayal" you're talking about.
 

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I don't see how it's been protrayed high. Obviously he's smarter in battle outside of it, but I dont see this magical "high protrayal" you're talking about.
I think he's referring to when one of the Blue Pegasus members says his mind is like a steel box when it comes to fighting, though that was anime filler.
 

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I think he's referring to when one of the Blue Pegasus members says his mind is like a steel box when it comes to fighting, though that was anime filler.
Well yeah filler doesn't really count. though.
 

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They were fooled point, blank, period. They fought Laxus went to the woods to eat a bear for food, he fooled them there's not way around this. Please tell me how eating a bear in the woods makes him a fool? Your arguments reach so much it's almost funny. And no Gray being the smartest isn't a lame excuse because he is, hence why he only found Gray because the others were fooled. Laxus says he's going to get some food before he went, his excuse worked there's no running from this.
I already explained this but I'll be glad to repeat myself. Nobody was fooled. Look at Carla's face. She knew something was up with Laxus and that his reason for leaving was quite suspicious. The fact that Laxus eats a bear wouldn't make him have low intelligence, if it actually happened. If you actually understand the context of the scene, you can tell that Gray doesn't literally mean Laxus would eat a bear. In fact, he didn't even know what Laxus was doing. Gray's statement was just a way of telling us that Laxus would probably do something like that. It was an exaggeration that is meant to portray Laxus' character so that we as readers know his kind of personality. The whole panel was mainly drawn to depict that Laxus isn't the intelligent type.
 

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I think he's referring to when one of the Blue Pegasus members says his mind is like a steel box when it comes to fighting, though that was anime filler.
Lyon said that in GMG.Apart from that he has shown high intelligence in battle like destroying Jupiter cannon in his fight with Totomaru,Atlas Flame.
 

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Not excuses genius, facts, every single thing I said is a fact, he was sent South because Mavis sent him south, he entered the battlefield right alongside all of his comrades and headed straight for Wahl so that he could heal himself and defeat Wahl. Natsu charged straight to Zeref and 1 million Alvarez soldiers alone and without anyones help or consent, the comparison is laughable, I knew you were unreasonable, I just didn't realise how unreasonable. Laxus went according to the first's plan and succeeded, Natsu went along with his own selfish reckless plan and failed miserably.
Uhmm you really think natsu failed miserably?
Just TRY to compare the situations

Natsu:
Natsu easily took out about 1000 soldiers and Zeref showed up to fight him. You say he failed miserably against the 1.000.000 army BUT (as we all know zeref is like the smartest charakter in ft) Zeref just outsmarted him. Imagine what would have happened if Zeref didn't order Invel and the soldiers to make some place. So many soldiers would've been turned to ashes. And probably invel. And now say again he failed miserably.. He was actually able to beat zeref just the fact that happy stopped him made his plan fail. So it means happy is the reason natsu failed to kill zeref.

Laxus:
Laxus went to fight Whal and when he knew his magic wouldn't affect whal then why didn't the "smart" laxus change places with someone? I mean do you really think laxus planned to heal himself by puttin the anti magic particles in his attack? I don't. He isn't that smart. I personally think most mages don't really know anything about anti magic particles or anti magic Tumors or whatever ("no mage in ishgar can heal it" granny to natsus tumor) so if NO mage in ishgar can heal it. Not even the mages that studyed healing magic and spent their whole life on it... Do you really think some muscels for brain guy like laxus gets the idea of healing himself like that? Never.
And if you're smart you make a smarter move by sending someone to battle who is in better conditions of fighting the enemy. Laxus's chance of winning was practically 0%. He just had LOTS of luck. Nothing more, nothing less...
 
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