Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

what about that?

That's what you're saying should be extreme difficulty. It's Jura, not Wahl.

 

[GokuSSJG]

That's what you're saying should be extreme difficulty. It's Jura, not Wahl.

well,the tables were turned in Laxus vs Wahl..

 

[Axiomus]

well,the tables were turned in Laxus vs Wahl..

Yes, but for Wahl.

 

[GokuSSJG]

well,the tables were turned in Laxus vs Wahl..

it was back and forth tbh.

 

[Axiomus]

it was back and forth tbh.

Well, if you want to say Laxus had an extremely difficult time with Wahl, then that's fine. Though Laxus would have done better if he hadn't had the anti-magic particles, and he still had enough MP left over to fight Hades. So make of that what you will.

 

[GokuSSJG]

Well, if you want to say Laxus had an extremely difficult time with Wahl, then that's fine. Though Laxus would have done better if he hadn't had the anti-magic particles, and he still had enough MP left over to fight Hades. So make of that what you will.

well,he could have used Fairy Law since Wahl was immune to electricity.heck,why don't they use Fairy Law at all????I always wondered about that.

 

[The President]

Fairy Law requires a large amount of MP to charge up (irregardless of whether it lands or not) and it needs to the user to be relatively still for a few seconds, which leaves you open for attacks. Not a really efficient move in a 1 Vs 1 battle, though a viable option in team battles provided the teammate is strong enough to protect you for a few seconds.

 

[GokuSSJG]

good point.

 

[Static]

@Axiomus : You could also add no diff to that list.

Example : Acnologia vs Serena (one shot)

 

[Crimson Ice]

So that means he still had power. Of course it matters if the attack exhausted him. This was Natsu mere moments before fighting. The worst injury he had was the scar on his face.

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This was Natsu immediately after throwing that punch:

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Here is the aftermath of Natsu using FDK roar. Natsu is saying Zeref appeared a lot quicker than he anticipated, suggesting that he was prepared to go on fighting. Unless you believe Natsu was going to break out Igneel's power against these fodders, then I very much doubt Natsu was running on an empty tank.

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Just because you are using your best mode, doesn't mean you are going all out. Dragon Force is a dragon slayer's strongest form. This doesn't mean Acnologia is going all out every-time he shows up as a dragon. There's a clear difference in the effort behind smacking Fairy Tail around with his tail, and fighting Igneel. Activating dragon slaying magic is God Serena's strongest mode, yet he hasn't even had the chance to cycle through half his elements, let alone go all out. It's the same here.

That wasn't the last blow, he had the power left but Natsu saying it was fading. While I dont know why you brought up the scan after him roaring, Natsu only looked tired after fighting with Zeref and before he went in for the final blow.


The comparison doesn't even compare, Acno's dragon form isn't dragon force it's a side effect from using too much DS magic, So no Natsu was going out and he tried his hardest to beat Zeref, his top mode is the BDKM and if he had any secret arts he would have used them against Zeref. Nasu can use all his normal moves while using Igneel's MP meaning if he had a trump card he should have used it.

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Well he has Igneel mode (which he can only use twice) and is faaaaar superior to anything he's ever shown; FDKM mode (which he used against Jacob and we're not sure whether he used it against the God of War) and his base powers.

In between, there'd be DF and LFDM, something around this:

Igneel Natsu > DF mode > FDKM mode > LFDM > Base I guess

He used FDKM while suing Igneel's MP, Igneel's MP isn't a mode it's magic that amplifies his own.

 

[The President]

Dragon Slaying Magic essentially turns the weilder into a dragon, that's exactly what dragon force does to a greater extent. Its safe to say that Acnologias dragon form is the peak of dragon force. The only attribute he possibly looses in the process is agility, though it makes up for it with the added magic resistance. Just like dragon force, Acnologias dragon form probably exhausts him, hence why he reverts back to human.

Also worth noting on the Natsu Vs Zeref battle, Zeref's power revolves around resolve. It might just be me but his conviction in that fight did not seem to be all that high ie he wanted Natsu to kill him, he wanted to loose, he trusted in humanity. Once Natsu failed he lost all faith in humanity, now he should be at his peak.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Dragon Slaying Magic essentially turns the weilder into a dragon, that's exactly what dragon force does to a greater extent. Its safe to say that Acnologias dragon form is the peak of dragon force. The only attribute he possibly looses in the process is agility, though it makes up for it with the added magic resistance. Just like dragon force, Acnologias dragon form probably exhausts him, hence why he reverts back to human.

Also worth noting on the Natsu Vs Zeref battle, Zeref's power revolves around resolve. It might just be me but his conviction in that fight did not seem to be all that high ie he wanted Natsu to kill him, he wanted to loose, he trusted in humanity. Once Natsu failed he lost all faith in humanity, now he should be at his peak.

They literally said becoming a dragon is a side effect of using Dragon Slaying magic too much, while Dragons force is when the user taking in a high grade or amount of their element, it's not the same thing.

While Zeref's power has never revolved around revolve which even if it did it doesn't matter because Zeref reinforces that he's going to kill everyone.

 

[Axiomus]

That wasn't the last blow, he had the power left but Natsu saying it was fading. While I dont know why you brought up the scan after him roaring, Natsu only looked tired after fighting with Zeref and before he went in for the final blow.


The comparison doesn't even compare, Acno's dragon form isn't dragon force it's a side effect from using too much DS magic, So no Natsu was going out and he tried his hardest to beat Zeref, his top mode is the BDKM and if he had any secret arts he would have used them against Zeref. Nasu can use all his normal moves while using Igneel's MP meaning if he had a trump card he should have used it.

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He used FDKM while suing Igneel's MP, Igneel's MP isn't a mode it's magic that amplifies his own.

The FDK mode punch was clearly the cause of Natsu's exhaustion. Yes he had some power left over, but the punch was taxing to the point that it had him gasping on t floor. You simply don't see that with Natsu using FDK spells using his own power, which means he's still got power left. Just because Natsu didn't use his best spells against Zeref doesn't mean he wasn't going all out. Either way, we'll get the chance to see Natsu going all out against August. If Natsu uses multiple FDK spells or a secret art in FDK mode, then we'll know he wasn't going all out before.

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They literally said becoming a dragon is a side effect of using Dragon Slaying magic too much, while Dragons force is when the user taking in a high grade or amount of their element, it's not the same thing.

While Zeref's power has never revolved around revolve which even if it did it doesn't matter because Zeref reinforces that he's going to kill everyone.

Obviously this "side effect" is optional and Acnologia has full control over it. Dragon Force gives you the physical properties of a dragon, and is literally referred to as wielding the power of a dragon.

Zeref's power is a function about how much he cared about life. The less he cares about life, the more control over his magic he has.

 

[The President]

They literally said becoming a dragon is a side effect of using Dragon Slaying magic too much, while Dragons force is when the user taking in a high grade or amount of their element, it's not the same thing.

Dragon Force is basically the baby steps to becoming a full fledged dragon. Wendy went dragon force and now she is capable of going psuedo dragon force at will, eventually this will turn into becoming a full fledged dragon at will, just like Acnologia. Natsu seemingly went dragon force against Mard Geer at will, though it may have been emotion driven and not as easily accessible as Wendy and Acno have it as a result. Notice how the character looks more like a dragon depending on the quality of the element? Eventually your gonna look like Natsu does on that promo cover for the movie, and after that you are gonna be a fully realized dragon. The way I see it is that the elements make the process of attaining a dragon form a lot faster, Acnologia had hundreds of years to get it, Natsu might get it by the end of the series. More importantly, the element is what grants access to it for those that cannot materialize the full thing at will.

While Zeref's power has never revolved around revolve which even if it did it doesn't matter because Zeref reinforces that he's going to kill everyone.

I mean, he downright says that he gets stronger or weaker depending on how he feels about humanity (his resolve). But out of curiosity, what was your explanation for him loosing to Ultear on Tenrou?

 

[Holt]

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[Crimson Ice]

The FDK mode punch was clearly the cause of Natsu's exhaustion. Yes he had some power left over, but the punch was taxing to the point that it had him gasping on t floor. You simply don't see that with Natsu using FDK spells using his own power, which means he's still got power left. Just because Natsu didn't use his best spells against Zeref doesn't mean he wasn't going all out. Either way, we'll get the chance to see Natsu going all out against August. If Natsu uses multiple FDK spells or a secret art in FDK mode, then we'll know he wasn't going all out before.

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Obviously this "side effect" is optional and Acnologia has full control over it. Dragon Force gives you the physical properties of a dragon, and is literally referred to as wielding the power of a dragon.

Zeref's power is a function about how much he cared about life. The less he cares about life, the more control over his magic he has.

It wasn't obviously the cause of his exhaustion at all, you're literally ignoring the part where he was fighting with Zeref he was fine before that. And yes him not pulling out all the best stops means he wasn't going all out, going all out means you give him your best. He hasn't used hit yet so until he does he was going all out.

Dragon Force and the side effect aren't the same things and if you had control over it the dragons wouldn't waste their time making antibodies.

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Dragon Force is basically the baby steps to becoming a full fledged dragon. Wendy went dragon force and now she is capable of going psuedo dragon force at will, eventually this will turn into becoming a full fledged dragon at will, just like Acnologia. Natsu seemingly went dragon force against Mard Geer at will, though it may have been emotion driven and not as easily accessible as Wendy and Acno have it as a result. Notice how the character looks more like a dragon depending on the quality of the element? Eventually your gonna look like Natsu does on that promo cover for the movie, and after that you are gonna be a fully realized dragon. The way I see it is that the elements make the process of attaining a dragon form a lot faster, Acnologia had hundreds of years to get it, Natsu might get it by the end of the series. More importantly, the element is what grants access to it for those that cannot materialize the full thing at will.



I mean, he downright says that he gets stronger or weaker depending on how he feels about humanity (his resolve). But out of curiosity, what was your explanation for him loosing to Ultear on Tenrou?

Dragon Force is taking on some of the abilities of a dragon, a dragon slayers true power nowhere does it say it turns you into a full dragon and if that were the case the dragon slayer shouldn't even be able to enter dragon forces simply because the parent dragons made antibodies just for the cause.



And no Zeref doesn't get stronger based off resolve, when he lost to Ultear he valued human life and when he stopped valuing it that's when he was at full power. Zeref is in his sleeping state or not when he's 'awake' state his power doesn't increase based resolve.

 

[The President]

Dragon Force is taking on some of the abilities of a dragon, a dragon slayers true power nowhere does it say it turns you into a full dragon and if that were the case the dragon slayer shouldn't even be able to enter dragon forces simply because the parent dragons made antibodies just for the cause.

It has already been shown that the likelyhood to that of a dragon varies. There is no reason why there would be a ceiling that stops below actually becoming a dragon given that dragon force is clearly meant to make you as dragon like as possible (the more dragon like the more power). Even if there was though, that would simply mean that dragon force is the watered down version of becoming an actual dragon, so technically they are still the same thing (one just being the higher level of the other).

As for the antibodies, I am pretty sure those only lasted while the dragons were inside likely as to not have the young DS prematurely turn dragon and get on Acnologias hit list before they could hone their skills. If not then fair, but dragon force being what Acnologias dragon form is would still stand.

And no Zeref doesn't get stronger based off resolve, when he lost to Ultear he valued human life and when he stopped valuing it that's when he was at full power. Zeref is in his sleeping state or not when he's 'awake' state his power doesn't increase based resolve.

I'll put it like this. The lowest point for Zeref is when he loves humanity while the highest is when he hates it. When he fought against Natsu his resolve was wavering, he wasnt sure whether he should kill humanity or love it and so he bet the decision on the outcome of the fight. We can therefore conclude that he wasnt at his peak, because he was not resolved on destroying humanity.

 

[Axiomus]

It wasn't obviously the cause of his exhaustion at all, you're literally ignoring the part where he was fighting with Zeref he was fine before that. And yes him not pulling out all the best stops means he wasn't going all out, going all out means you give him your best. He hasn't used hit yet so until he does he was going all out.

Dragon Force and the side effect aren't the same things and if you had control over it the dragons wouldn't waste their time making antibodies.

After Natsu fought Zeref, they stopped to talk. During that time, Natsu showed absolutely no sign of exhaustion. Immediately after having used his FDK punch, Natsu collapsed and started huffing. Natsu was fine after fighting Zeref. It was after casting the FDK mode finisher that exhausted him.

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Acnologia obviously has control over whether or not he turns into a dragon. Igneel and the other dragons don't want the dragon slayers to turn into dragons. Obviously, they didn't want another Acnologia running around. Dragon Force gives changes you physically into a dragon, and the more powerful you are the more dragon-like you become. This was Natsu's dragon force in the tower of Heaven arc. He had a few scales on his face.

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This is Natsu's dragon force during the Tartarus arc. It's evolved to the point where he has prominent scales all over his body. You can clearly see that Natsu is becoming more dragon-like:

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This is a colored page from chapter 435. In the bottom right hand corner, it says "Our dragon-force level announcement is on the next page". In case you think this is a mistranlation, I've also provided the raws. You can check the translation yourself: ドラゴン ・フォース is the romanji for Dragon Force.

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...And what is on the very next page? I mean, Hiro has never been hard to figure out and this pretty much just spells it out. Now if you can accept that Natsu's dragon force evolves to make him more dragon-like as he gets more powerful, then that's probably true for Acnologia as well. So if Acnologia had a dragon force, what would you expect it to look like?

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[GokuSSJG]

Spriggans are on the level of God Serena,no???

 

[Char]

Spriggans are on the level of God Serena,no???

Some are above, some are below, but overall yes. What is your point?