Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Loke]

Brandish and Dimaria are overrated. Brandish especially. Her minion has better combat feats than her. Just as easy as she could shrink Laxus he could hit her with a lightning glance. She definitely isn't tanking it with that durability of hers.

 

[GokuSSJG]

God Serena is more overrated.Spriggans are said to be on the level of God Serena and people are saying that Ajeel is weaker than him.

 

[Char]

God Serena is more overrated.Spriggans are said to be on the level of God Serena and people are saying that Ajeel is weaker than him.

Yeah, mainly because it took Erza + Bisca to defeat Ajeel whereas the 3 GoI (who should be above Jura) + Jura (who should be above or on par with Erza) were fodderized.

As for Brandish, she has no feats currently other than shrinking an entire island, which is no light feat. She's obviously portrayed to be superior to Marin so she must be capable of what he did, and more. In any case we are unaware of her durability so it's not fair to say she cannot withstand a Laxus attack.

Brandish was claimed to have superior MP to Makarov so she should have as much or more MP than Laxus, if that counts at all...

Brandish has hax and Laxus has fetas, the only way to know who'd take the win is if they fought and that's not gonna happen... this is mainly why I think of her above him.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

God Serena is more overrated.Spriggans are said to be on the level of God Serena and people are saying that Ajeel is weaker than him.

Shouldn't it be the other way around? Wouldn't it be accurate to say that's he is Spriggan lvl ,since he joined them.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Igneel's magical power was Natsu's trump card. Just because the FDK spell he used against Zeref was exhausting doesn't mean that every FDK spell Natsu used was at that level. Obviously Natsu is nowhere near his limit after roaring at the Alvarez troops or after a demolition fist. If you want to say Natsu has gone all out, then you have to see how he fights at his limit. So far, he's never had the need to use more than 1 FDK spell. I don't even see what the point of debating this is. We're going to get to see Natsu fight August in a few chapters. If he uses multiple FDK spells against August, then we'll know he hasn't gone all out yet because he'll have basically just doubled his efforts.

Turning into a dragon doesn't make Acnologia evil either. Acnologia was already well on his way to murdering all the dragons before he ever had the ability to turn full dragon. Acnologia is also in control of his actions. The parent dragons obviously wanted to eliminate the chance of having someone like Acnologia running around, so they limited their slayer's powers. If you advertise something as a "Dragon Force-level announcement" and put the phrase "dragon force" in quotes, then yeah - I'm going to make the obvious interpretation that its a teaser of dragon force. Put that besides the fact that Natsu is getting more dragon-like as he gets more powerful, and it fits like a puzzle. If you say you'll believe it when you see it, then I guess all we have to do is wait.

Igneel's power plus the BDKM was Natsu at his fullest no reason to pull punches at all. Natsu not panting doesn't mean he hasn't gone all out, using your strongest mode and spells is essentially going all out since you're throwing out your best. Natsu needed to go into his strongest mode and stack his strongest spell on top of that to beat Jacob.


Never said it did, saying that the parent dragons didn't want someone like Acnologia running around would imply it turned him evil. So by you saying the parent dragon wanted to eliminate having someone like Acnologia around makes no sense. While restricting their saying powers also makes no sense because they want the dragon slayers to defeat Acnolgoiga. I'm not going to use an announcement note as proof in this while turning into a dragon has been labelled as a side effect and was never noted for Acnologia to be much stronger in that form, while Dragon forces simply gives you some scales and I addressed Natsu gaining more scales is simply a design change.

 

[Axiomus]

Igneel's power plus the BDKM was Natsu at his fullest no reason to pull punches at all. Natsu not panting doesn't mean he hasn't gone all out, using your strongest mode and spells is essentially going all out since you're throwing out your best. Natsu needed to go into his strongest mode and stack his strongest spell on top of that to beat Jacob.

Never said it did, saying that the parent dragons didn't want someone like Acnologia running around would imply it turned him evil. So by you saying the parent dragon wanted to eliminate having someone like Acnologia around makes no sense. While restricting their saying powers also makes no sense because they want the dragon slayers to defeat Acnolgoiga. I'm not going to use an announcement note as proof in this while turning into a dragon has been labelled as a side effect and was never noted for Acnologia to be much stronger in that form, while Dragon forces simply gives you some scales and I addressed Natsu gaining more scales is simply a design change.

Natsu was going all out against Zeref because he was putting a large portion of Igneel's power into that attack, and we can see the exhaustion that comes from such an effort. That's how we can tell Natsu is going all out with that attack. Natsu is nowhere near as exhausted when he's using FDK with his own power. This makes them non-comparable. I'll give you an example. When Natsu had Atlas Flame's power, he basically just headbutted Motherglare. No LFD, no dragon force, no secret art. Do we turn around and say that Natsu's fire dragon sword horn is him going all out with his own power? No. Clearly, those two attacks are not comparable.

Using your best mode is not the same as going all out. Dimaria's god soul is her best mode. That doesn't mean all her attacks within it were her going all out. She had her beams which were cast with fair ease, and she had her all out attacks she threw at Chelia. God Serena's best mode was activating his dragon slaying magic. That doesn't mean the Ishgar Saints pushed him to his limits. They didn't even force him to do a full rotation of his elements. Serena had at least 1 attack that he never had the chance to land, and up to another 4 that he's never shown. Acnologia entering his dragon form, clearly his strongest form regardless of whether you believe it to be dragon force or not, is not the same as him going all out. There's a clear difference between casually toying around with Fairy Tail, and brawling it out with Igneel.

When was dragonization ever labeled as a "side effect"? I've checked the MS, MP, CR, and even the raws of every statement Igneel has said on the subject, and I don't see it being mentioned as a side effect. I've also checked every version of what ZIlconis has said on the subject as well. CR doesn't have chapter 301, so I actually had to dig up the actual volume. This is what it says.

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Also, turning into a dragon isn't a side effect of dragon slaying magic. It's actually it's primary function. This is from chapter 1.

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So, let's recap: Dragon slaying magic is actually magic that transforms the body and gives it aspects of a dragon's body. Turning into a full dragon is described as being the end of the path for dragon slaying magic. Coincidentally, Dragon Force is also described as being the final form for dragon slayers and it involves becoming dragon like. Natsu's dragon force has shown to become more dragon-like as he gets stronger. The movie teaser also labels an image of Natsu in a half dragonized form as a dragon force-level teaser. Now I've never seen dragonization being labelled as a side effect by any translation, but I have seen it being labelled as a "dragon force" level teaser by every translation.

 

[Solitrine]

Yeah, mainly because it took Erza + Bisca to defeat Ajeel whereas the 3 GoI (who should be above Jura) + Jura (who should be above or on par with Erza) were fodderized.

Why is Jura on par with Erza? Erza herself could give Ajeel a high diff fight and Jura was getting stomped on by someone who is said to be on the same level as Ajeel.

 

[Char]

Why is Jura on par with Erza? Erza herself could give Ajeel a high diff fight and Jura was getting stomped on by someone who is said to be on the same level as Ajeel.

Yeah, certianly because of that. If we assume Jura improved a bit from the GMG (or even if we assume he stayed the same), he was a couple of tiers above Erza back in the GMG. It makes sense to assume she improved during the past year to be on his level or slightly above, but not very much above.

So, how do you explain that an Erza who is on par or slightly superior (but very slightly, if at all) than Jura could beat a spriggan with the external help of one character support, while 4 magues on the level or above of Erza couldn't defeat God Serena?

Because God Serena is way superior to Ajeel.

And even if you considered Erza to be leagues above Jura, which would make no sense whatsoever (like, what has she done this past year to become massively stronger than the second or third strongest human on Ishgar?), and, by the way, you'd also be putting her above GMG/Tartaros Laxus, which is very hard to believe IMO; you'd have an Erza that equals to 2x Jura, maybe. Even then, there are 4 magues of the caliber of Jura or superior fighting a Spriggan and they were fodderized. So, however you look at it, the only possible explanation is that GS>>>Ajeel.

Btw, Erza didn't give high difficulty to Ajeel. Once he got tired he used his massive sandstorm and he fodderized. Mid-difficulty at most.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Yeah, certianly because of that. If we assume Jura improved a bit from the GMG (or even if we assume he stayed the same), he was a couple of tiers above Erza back in the GMG. It makes sense to assume she improved during the past year to be on his level or slightly above, but not very much above.

So, how do you explain that an Erza who is on par or slightly superior (but very slightly, if at all) than Jura could beat a spriggan with the external help of one character support, while 4 magues on the level or above of Erza couldn't defeat God Serena?

Because God Serena is way superior to Ajeel.

And even if you considered Erza to be leagues above Jura, which would make no sense whatsoever (like, what has she done this past year to become massively stronger than the second or third strongest human on Ishgar?), and, by the way, you'd also be putting her above GMG/Tartaros Laxus, which is very hard to believe IMO; you'd have an Erza that equals to 2x Jura, maybe. Even then, there are 4 magues of the caliber of Jura or superior fighting a Spriggan and they were fodderized. So, however you look at it, the only possible explanation is that GS>>>Ajeel.

Btw, Erza didn't give high difficulty to Ajeel. Once he got tired he used his massive sandstorm and he fodderized. Mid-difficulty at most.

I find Ajeels feats more amazing then God Serena's for now.He's pretty impressive,but he had to use 3 spells to finish his oponents off and that was in the second fight with them.
Ajeel managed to maintan a whole sandstorm thats a pretty amazing or when he covered the whole land in sand,when he was chasing Erza&co.
I'm putting Serena somewhere in the upper lowere tier or lower middle tier. Nearly all of the Spriggan could have done the same(Di Maria or Bradman with less effort).
Be sides Erza got help from Bisca and Ajeel had help from Marrin,who unabled her equip.

 

[Char]

I find Ajeels feats more amazing then God Serena's for now.He's pretty impressive,but he had to use 3 spells to finish his oponents off and that was in the second fight with them.
Ajeel managed to maintan a whole sandstorm thats a pretty amazing or when he covered the whole land in sand,when he was chasing Erza&co.
I'm putting Serena somewhere in the upper lowere tier or lower middle tier. Nearly all of the Spriggan could have done the same(Di Maria or Bradman with less effort).
Be sides Erza got help from Bisca and Ajeel had help from Marrin,who unabled her equip.

If we consider the fight started right after Marin got beaten, then you have an Erza who gave mid-difficulty to Ajeel, while 3 GoI + Jura who gave no difficulty to God Serena.

Then you're most likely implying that Erza >> Hyberion+Wolfheim+Warrod+Jura...

DiMaria, because of hax, could beat pretty much anyone in FT, including God Serena, I agree. But, IMO, GS >> Bradman.

Whereas the GS >> Ajeel is very logical for anyone, I could agree that Bradman being superior or inferior to GS is up to interpretation more than feats, since what Bradman showed capable of doing is not anything that would give trouble to GS. Another thing would be that Bradman used the 9 curses appropriately. Then that'd be another thing (and still, for me, GS is above).

 

[Solitrine]

Yeah, certianly because of that. If we assume Jura improved a bit from the GMG (or even if we assume he stayed the same), he was a couple of tiers above Erza back in the GMG. It makes sense to assume she improved during the past year to be on his level or slightly above, but not very much above.

So, how do you explain that an Erza who is on par or slightly superior (but very slightly, if at all) than Jura could beat a spriggan with the external help of one character support, while 4 magues on the level or above of Erza couldn't defeat God Serena?

Because God Serena is way superior to Ajeel.

And even if you considered Erza to be leagues above Jura, which would make no sense whatsoever (like, what has she done this past year to become massively stronger than the second or third strongest human on Ishgar?), and, by the way, you'd also be putting her above GMG/Tartaros Laxus, which is very hard to believe IMO; you'd have an Erza that equals to 2x Jura, maybe. Even then, there are 4 magues of the caliber of Jura or superior fighting a Spriggan and they were fodderized. So, however you look at it, the only possible explanation is that GS>>>Ajeel.

Btw, Erza didn't give high difficulty to Ajeel. Once he got tired he used his massive sandstorm and he fodderized. Mid-difficulty at most.

We have character statements saying that all Spriggan 12 are on the same general level apart from August and Irene. His fellow Spriggan (especially Ajeel) didn't think he was anything special so I see no reason to. Erza is a main character, she had massive power inflation just like the rest of the main cast which showed when she was beating Ajeel prior to sandstorm.

August and Irene are the only exceptions among the Spriggan otherwise there would have been something to indicate otherwise. There's nothing to indicate that any other Spriggan couldn't have done the exact same thing that Serena did.

 

[Char]

We have character statements saying that all Spriggan 12 are on the same general level apart from August and Irene. His fellow Spriggan (especially Ajeel) didn't think he was anything special so I see no reason to. Erza is a main character, she had massive power inflation just like the rest of the main cast which showed when she was beating Ajeel prior to sandstorm.

August and Irene are the only exceptions among the Spriggan otherwise there would have been something to indicate otherwise. There's nothing to indicate that any other Spriggan couldn't have done the exact same thing that Serena did.

That was discredited long ago, as soon as we saw certain haxes that have no counters; for example, Chronos Dimaria should just fodderize most Spriggans, as well as Brandish could shrink them to the size of an ant.

We also had character statements saying that the 4 GoI's powers were immeasurable, on another whole dimension as compared to Jura; then we saw they MIGHT be just slightly superior to Jura, and definetely below most Spriggans, so yeah.

Whoever claims that Spriggan 12 are all on the same level except for August and Irene, after seeing Dimaria's power, well... ok?

Ajeel most likely didn't know the extent of God Serena's Dragon Slaying magic since he usually fights just in base with another kind of magic unrelated to DS and still capable of subjugating the 3 GoI + Jura. But GS should definetely be well above Ajeel. And I am by no means detracting Ajeel. I actually think he's a beast.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

If we consider the fight started right after Marin got beaten, then you have an Erza who gave mid-difficulty to Ajeel, while 3 GoI + Jura who gave no difficulty to God Serena.

Then you're most likely implying that Erza >> Hyberion+Wolfheim+Warrod+Jura...

DiMaria, because of hax, could beat pretty much anyone in FT, including God Serena, I agree. But, IMO, GS >> Bradman.

Whereas the GS >> Ajeel is very logical for anyone, I could agree that Bradman being superior or inferior to GS is up to interpretation more than feats, since what Bradman showed capable of doing is not anything that would give trouble to GS. Another thing would be that Bradman used the 9 curses appropriately. Then that'd be another thing (and still, for me, GS is above).

Actually no,if it weren't for the second Jupiter cannon shoot,Erza would have been beaten.
Well it's Erza,duhh,but serisoly now. I'm not implying that Erza>4 WS(althought in certain matchups FT mages would win against some of the WS;aside from Jura who has feats, one is a psychical brawler,one doesn't have nearly any offensive magice and the 1.aside from blood magic; which in my eyes has clear weaknesses).
,but I do claim that Ajeel>= God Serena.. I'm more impressed by Ajeel's feats than his.
Bradman vs Gajeel fight has so many plot holes it made my brain cells die.He can use macro,for hells sake.That alone should have won him the fight.
If Mira went against him,that would have been better,but another topic.

People rank him high,just because he's a dragonslyer,and nothing more.

 

[Char]

Actually no,if it weren't for the second Jupiter cannon shoot,Erza would have been beaten.
Well it's Erza,duhh,but serisoly now. I'm not implying that Erza>4 WS(althought in certain matchups FT mages would win against some of the WS;aside from Jura who has feats, one is a psychical brawler,one doesn't have nearly any offensive magice and the 1.aside from blood magic; which in my eyes has clear weaknesses).
,but I do claim that Ajeel>= God Serena.. I'm more impressed by Ajeel's feats than his.
Bradman vs Gajeel fight has so many plot holes it made my brain cells die.He can use macro,for hells sake.That alone should have won him the fight.
If Mira went against him,that would have been better,but another topic.

People rank him high,just because he's a dragonslyer,and nothing more.

Of course Erza would've been beaten hadn't it for the jupiter. But what I mean is that Erza + Bisca >>>>> 3 GoI + Jura, and, since it doesn't make sense, the only thing that makes sense for me is GS >> Ajeel.

Agreed with Bradman, poorly used foe, feat-wise well below what was expected.

 

[Boomburst]

Actually no,if it weren't for the second Jupiter cannon shoot,Erza would have been beaten.
Well it's Erza,duhh,but serisoly now. I'm not implying that Erza>4 WS(althought in certain matchups FT mages would win against some of the WS;aside from Jura who has feats, one is a psychical brawler,one doesn't have nearly any offensive magice and the 1.aside from blood magic; which in my eyes has clear weaknesses).
,but I do claim that Ajeel>= God Serena.. I'm more impressed by Ajeel's feats than his.
Bradman vs Gajeel fight has so many plot holes it made my brain cells die.He can use macro,for hells sake.That alone should have won him the fight.
If Mira went against him,that would have been better,but another topic.

People rank him high,just because he's a dragonslyer,and nothing more.

People rank him high because he fodderized four of the strongest mages in the entire country, not just because he has a flashy magic.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

You're all acting line Ajeel couldn't have beaten the 4WS.
Ajeel was defeated by a suprise attack from miles away and blocked the first one easily.

 

[Boomburst]

You're all acting line Ajeel couldn't have beaten the 4WS.
Ajeel was defeated by a suprise attack from miles away and blocked the first one easily.

You're telling me that Ajeel could have beaten the 4WS despite the fact that he lost to a single person below their tier and a magic cannon? Jupiter is powerful for sure but I doubt it packs as much firepower as one of the GOI.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

You're telling me that Ajeel could have beaten the 4WS despite the fact that he lost to a single person below their tier and a magic cannon? Jupiter is powerful for sure but I doubt it packs as much firepower as one of the GOI.

Excuse me,the Spriggan12 are really powerful.When team Natsu 1.enciuntered Ajeel he nearly killed them with quick sand if it weren't for Natsu.
Aside from Jura and Hyberio(who has hax magic) the other is a mere psychical fighter and the second is a walking tree with no damage output.
Erza is Erza,can't really argue about this one.

 

[Boomburst]

Excuse me,the Spriggan12 are really powerful.When team Natsu 1.enciuntered Ajeel he nearly killed them with quick sand if it weren't for Natsu.
Aside from Jura and Hyberio(who has hax magic) the other is a mere psychical fighter and the second is a walking tree with no damage output.
Erza is Erza,can't really argue about this one.

Jura alone is at the very least at the same level as Erza if not higher, meaning that if that had been Jura by himself fighting Ajeel instead or Erza then Ajeel would have lost as well. Add three more incredibly powerful mages (yea, one of them is a tree, but his magic is still really powerful) who are all above Juras level and there's no way in hell that Ajeel's winning. Erza is strong for sure but she's definitely not on the same tier as the GOI.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Jura alone is at the very least at the same level as Erza if not higher, meaning that if that had been Jura by himself fighting Ajeel instead or Erza then Ajeel would have lost as well. Add three more incredibly powerful mages (yea, one of them is a tree, but his magic is still really powerful) who are all above Juras level and there's no way in hell that Ajeel's winning. Erza is strong for sure but she's definitely not on the same tier as the GOI.

Ajeel has been shown to dry out land and erza's sword(with them just touching him),which means Jura's earth magic and especially Warrods Tree/Plant would just dry out.
His sand body would make Wolfheim physical strenght useless,while Hyberion well,his magic needs further explaining.
Does he have to hold that position the whole time to use his magci? Could people who can turn their bodies into elemetns (Juvia's water body,Ajeel's body) nullify the effect? How many people can he use his magic on(1,2 or more)?Could Wendy counter it,similar how she countered Mary's magic in Avatar arc?
Magic power doesn't actually mean winning,as seen how Angeel took out Jura with ˝Ichiya˝.
I could go into more details,but why bother,when you will just ignore what I write.