Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Boomburst]

Natsu presence didn't evaporate the entire lake. Blaze dragon King mode did that. And if that mountain was placed on that lake, it would completely cover it.

Actually, the lake was evaporating BEFORE he went BDKM. Go read the chapter again if you don't believe me.

What I'm saying is that you've been comparing these two scenarios and saying that Gildart's feat was more impressive simply because it was a mountain and not a lake. You need to look at the context of the situation and take into account all factors. The fact remains that Gildart's destroyed the mountain with an ATTACK while Natsu evaporated the lake with his AURA. Completely different situations.

 

[Woodenstool]

Actually, the lake was evaporating BEFORE he went BDKM. Go read the chapter again if you don't believe me.

What I'm saying is that you've been comparing these two scenarios and saying that Gildart's feat was more impressive simply because it was a mountain and not a lake. You need to look at the context of the situation and take into account all factors. The fact remains that Gildart's destroyed the mountain with an ATTACK while Natsu evaporated the lake with his AURA. Completely different situations.

If Natsus presence evaporated the lake, why did he evaporate the surrounding water when he was in the ocean? The water was evaporating but he didn't completely drain the lake. After he used his attack he did

 

[Boomburst]

If Natsus presence evaporated the lake, why did he evaporate the surrounding water when he was in the ocean? The water was evaporating but he didn't completely drain the lake. After he used his attack he did

Yea well obviously he didn't completely drain the lake before he used his attack, he was only over the lake for like a couple of seconds. There wasn't enough time for all the water to evaporate.

 

[kemor]

Why are you comparing magic that's designed to destroy things to magic that's a pure element? Of course Gildarts will destroy mountains with sneezing, that's what his magic was made for. Try destroying a mountain with magic that's not designed for that - now thats impressive.

 

[Arjuna]

Natsu's mere aura evaporated the lake which itself is a mountain level feat.Not even his real attack even which is far more impressive than any Gildarts's feat.So currently Gildarts has only hype nothing else.So unless Gildarts shows more feats he should be classified as GOI level Mage.

 

[kemor]

Natsu melted down GMG Arena, evaporated a lake, vaporized Ajeel's sand and then nailed him in his face and all of that without actually attacking. YEt people still say he can't take a Spriggan on. WTF is wrong with all of you? These aren't times where half of FT members were above him, he's clear Top 3 in the guild(right behind Laxus and Gildarts).

 

[Shoutmon]

NeinHart can just summon Zancrow, Hades, Doriate or Fukuro (?) from Natsu's memories, I'm pretty sure Natsu is helpless against the Law of Retrogression and Zancrow can eat his flames so..
For an emotional effect, he can even bring up Future Lucy, who I'm dead sure Natsu won't be able to fight..
How would Natsu beat Ajeel? He can't even touch his body normally in the first place

Hades and Fukuro would get oneshotted as quickly as Bluenote was. Zancrow would get sent flying by a Demolition Fist and Natsu doesn't have to fight F. Lucy, he can just go around her and launch a roar at Nineheart. Why would he summon Doriate against Natsu? Wasn't that guy Gray's major opponent(?) and he didn't even summon him against Gray.

As for Ajeel, he can just burn his sand body like he did his ant-lion pit.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Hades and Fukuro would get oneshotted as quickly as Bluenote was. Zancrow would get sent flying by a Demolition Fist and Natsu doesn't have to fight F. Lucy, he can just go around her and launch a roar at Nineheart. Why would he summon Doriate against Natsu? Wasn't that guy Gray's major opponent(?) and he didn't even summon him against Gray.

As for Ajeel, he can just burn his sand body like he did his ant-lion pit.

Not weighing in either way here but couldn't Neinhart just use all of them at the same time? That would be too much for Natsu IMO, also Doriate could be summoned against him, he's someone he fought and is dead so he should be able to be conjured.

 

[Hermit]

Hades and Fukuro would get oneshotted as quickly as Bluenote was. Zancrow would get sent flying by a Demolition Fist and Natsu doesn't have to fight F. Lucy, he can just go around her and launch a roar at Nineheart. Why would he summon Doriate against Natsu? Wasn't that guy Gray's major opponent(?) and he didn't even summon him against Gray.

As for Ajeel, he can just burn his sand body like he did his ant-lion pit.

Natsu encountered Doriate on Sun Village and lost to him,it's not entirely unprecedented for NeinHart to summon him...why do you think he summoned Zancrow against Meredy?Meredy and Juvia had run into Zancrow in Tenrou prior to Zeref killing him..
Zancrow can eat any of Natsu's attacks...I'm pretty sure a Demolition Fist won't do anything to him..
Also Future Lucy can keep on getting in the way and preventing Natsu from directly attacking NeinHart...he did the same thing with Simon against Jellal twice...
Um,Fukuro is flying around,how would Natsu even get to him in the first place?Keep in mind that once Natsu grabs Fukuro he gets affected by motion sickness instantly so there's still that to account for...

 

[Shoutmon]

Natsu encountered Doriate on Sun Village and lost to him,it's not entirely unprecedented for NeinHart to summon him...why do you think he summoned Zancrow against Meredy?Meredy and Juvia had run into Zancrow in Tenrou prior to Zeref killing him..
Zancrow can eat any of Natsu's attacks...I'm pretty sure a Demolition Fist won't do anything to him..
Also Future Lucy can keep on getting in the way and preventing Natsu from directly attacking NeinHart...he did the same thing with Simon against Jellal twice...
Um,Fukuro is flying around,how would Natsu even get to him in the first place?Keep in mind that once Natsu grabs Fukuro he gets affected by motion sickness instantly so there's still that to account for...

Well I'm not entirely questioning his ability to summon him (Natsu has bad memory, so I doubt he would even remember Doriate for Neinhart to summon him,but I dunno ), but I don't see why he would, when he didn't summon him against Gray.
I'm inclined to believe that when a DS is >= a GS, they can damage them with their element, seeing as how Wendy was able to hurt Chelia during the GMG.
Fukuro would first have to get out of the range of his FDK roar, and if he can, Natsu's heat radiation should be able to take care of him.
While F. Lucy could possibly get in his way, she doesn't have a way of hurting him, and he can just use his heat aura to hurt Neinhart (Since he can control who it affects, as happy wasn't affected by it in the GMG arena, while everyone else was), Natsu can just get up close to Neinhart and hit him since he'll be busy recoiling from the heat and won't be able to summon F. Lucy to block him.

Not weighing in either way here but couldn't Neinhart just use all of them at the same time? That would be too much for Natsu IMO, also Doriate could be summoned against him, he's someone he fought and is dead so he should be able to be conjured.

Heat radiation that's powerful enough to dry a lake and can affect a spriggan should take care of them.

 

[BluePegasus]

Natsu won't have a single chance to defeat Neinhart. Why? Because he can't win against Mard Geer, Hades, Zero, Silver, Torafuza, Jackal, Tempesta, Zancrow and Doriate at the same time. If someone thinks he can, than there is something wrong with you lol.

As for Ajeel and Wahl, Natsu won't win against them as well. Ajeel can defeat him pretty easy once he casts Sandworld and Wahl can undo his magic with Weakness so he can oneshot him with Etherion.

Natsu can't solo any Spriggan at all.

 

[Char]

Natsu won't have a single chance to defeat Neinhart. Why? Because he can't win against Mard Geer, Hades, Zero, Ultear, Silver, Jackal, Tempesta, Zancrow and Doriate at the same time. If someone thinks he can, than there is something wrong with you lol.

I believe hax must have some limitations though. Neinhart's hax as well.

But if he doesn't... ok, maybe he wouldn't win against all of them at the same time but he'd definetely put up a fight. Let's remember he fodderized Bluenote, who's above Zero, Ultear, Zancrow, Doriate and possibly Jackal and Tempesta. One of his roars would be enough. Geer, Hades and Silver are another story.

As for Ajeel and Wahl, Natsu won't win against them as well. Ajeel could defeat him pretty easy once he casts Sandworld and Wahl can undo his magic with Weakness so he can oneshot him with Etherion.

Natsu can't solo any Spriggan at all.

I agree. Natsu cannot defeat Wahl or Ajeel 1 on 1. He can give them mid or high difficulty even. He can't beat Jacob 1 on 1 either. Neither Dimaria and most likely Brandish. Neinhart, if his historia can summon all of the bodies you say, then, again, he can't win. Natsu cannot solo a Spriggan yet.

If he were to defeat a Spriggan he'd defeat a cqc specialized one rather than a haxy one. For example, God Serena or Wahl. I consider the former leagues above Natsu though, and the latter not that much above, but still above.

 

[JohnnyMason]

Gildarts didn't melt any rocks lmao, he just crushed them. And idk why you're comparing the two situations, they're completely different. The mountain was destroyed by Gildarts using his magic. The lake was evaporated merely by Natsu's PRESENCE. It's not like Gildarts was flying over a mountain and his magical aura was so strong that the mountain disintegrated. It's not like Natsu was using his magic ON the lake. The two scenarios are different.

I actually linked the Calc for the feat that Gildarts did but it wasn't working. The result was 1.6 Megatons or Small City Level while Natsu's feat was 276.38 Megatons or Large City/Mountain Level.
Here is Gildarts' Calc(Not sure if the link will work)

Also Vaporizing Water requires way more energy than rock fragmentation

Edit: The link isn't working

 

[Shoutmon]

Natsu won't have a single chance to defeat Neinhart. Why? Because he can't win against Mard Geer, Hades, Zero, Ultear, Silver, Jackal, Tempesta, Zancrow and Doriate at the same time. If someone thinks he can, than there is something wrong with you lol.

Unless they have mountain + level durability, all of them would get oneshotted by an FDK roar, Neinhart Included (and why's Ultear there? Isn't she just some old lady sitting in a cabin somewhere?)

As for Ajeel and Wahl, Natsu won't win against them as well. Ajeel could defeat him pretty easy once he casts Sandworld and Wahl can undo his magic with Weakness so he can oneshot him with Etherion.

Natsu can still rely on his smell to get around during Sand World, and his heat radiation would evaporate any sand that's near him, as well as hurt Ajeel when he gets close. As soon as Natsu tags him with an FDK spell, Ajeel's going down.

 

[BluePegasus]

I believe hax must have some limitations though. Neinhart's hax as well.

Historia of Corpses doesn't have any limitations. It's already shown that he is able to summon nine corpses at the same time, including demons. So yeah, he can summon all of them at the same time.

But if he doesn't... ok, maybe he wouldn't win against all of them at the same time but he'd definetely put up a fight. Let's remember he fodderized Bluenote, who's above Zero, Ultear, Zancrow, Doriate and possibly Jackal and Tempesta. One of his roars would be enough. Geer, Hades and Silver are another story.

Bluenote isn't above any of them except Zancrow. He wouldn't survive for a couple of seconds against this opponents. Zancrow or Doriate will undo all of his attacks so any other can oneshot him. Really, Natsu is nothing more than chanceless against Neinhart.

I agree. Natsu cannot defeat Wahl or Ajeel 1 on 1. He can give them mid or high difficulty even. He can't beat Jacob 1 on 1 either. Neither Dimaria and most likely Brandish. Neinhart, if his historia can summon all of the bodies you say, then, again, he can't win. Natsu cannot solo a Spriggan yet.

If he were to defeat a Spriggan he'd defeat a cqc specialized one rather than a haxy one. For example, God Serena or Wahl. I consider the former leagues above Natsu though, and the latter not that much above, but still above.

Agreed.

Unless they have mountain + level durability, all of them would get oneshotted by an FDK roar, Neinhart Included (and why's Ultear there? Isn't she just some old lady sitting in a cabin somewhere).

LOL do you seriously think he can oneshot ALL OF THEM with one freaking roar? You're overrating Natsu to the max lol.

 

[Shoutmon]

LOL do you seriously think he can oneshot ALL OF THEM with one freaking roar? You're overrating Natsu to the max lol.

Alright, then tell me, who of the people you mentioned has mountain busting + durability? Also, yes. FDK roar is large enough to envelop all of them.

 

[Demon Hunter]

AoE doesn't mean you can beat anyone in one shot. I'm probably one of the few who doesn't count AoE unless it is stated that can take out someone.

 

[Shoutmon]

AoE doesn't mean you can beat anyone in one shot. I'm probably one of the few who doesn't count AoE unless it is stated that can take out someone.

The AoE if what will allow him to hit all of them. The roar itself should have enough power to take all of them out.

 

[Char]

Historia of Corpses doesn't have any limitations. It's already shown that he is able to summon nine corpses at the same time, including demons. So yeah, he can summon all of them at the same time.

He didn't summon Mard though. Maybe because he couldn't. I think the limitation of Historia of Corpses is not being capable of summoning anyone whose MP exceeds yours. I don't think Mard Geer's MP exceeds Neinhart's (because I don't believe MG to be Spriggan tier at all), but still.

Bluenote isn't above any of them except Zancrow. He wouldn't survive for a couple of seconds against this opponents. Ultear, Zancrow or Doriate will undo all of his attacks so any other can oneshot him. Really, Natsu is nothing more than chanceless against Neinhart.

Bluenote is more powerful than any of the kin of the purgatory, in which Ultear is included. He's also superior to a low-mid WS tier enemy (Zero) who even Makarov could've beaten handily. He was, after all, a copy of Jose. Doriate has hax but he's the weakest on your list and can easily be defeated by Bluenote. And I know the purgatory demons are strong but Jackal and Tempesta are probably around Bluenote level or inferior (taking into account GMG Laxus, who is Bluenote tier, defeated Tempesta and Jackal should be weaker).

So, yes, Bluenote > Ultear, Zancrow, Doriate, Zero and possibly Jackal and Tempesta.

The roar with which Natsu ended Bluenote should end all of these, since its AoE is enough so as to cover them all and they should have less to similar durability as Bluenote's.

MG and Hades may be a problem for current Natsu since it'd take more than just a couple of punches to put them down. As for Neinhart, by powerscaling his durability should be superior to Mard's (although I doubt it) but by the time Natsu got to fight him he'd be tired and would've wasted a lot of MP, so Neinhart would have the edge.

Neinhart would win in the end but Natsu ain't falling easily.

 

[Demon Hunter]

The AoE if what will allow him to hit all of them. The roar itself should have enough power to take all of them out.

historian corpses??? some of them yeah. a couple of Spriggans???? I find that hard to believe.