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That is more like slayer advantage , she has resistance to it after all . I don't think someone could defeat chronos dimaria almost easily like chelia . She is a God slayer .
 

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That is more like slayer advantage , she has resistance to it after all . I don't think someone could defeat chronos dimaria almost easily like chelia . She is a God slayer .
No, Chelia blocking that attack is not an example of slayer advantage. Slayer advantage only applies to the part when TO Chelia defeated Dimaria with one attack at the end of their fight.

She also doesn't gain any resistance against Dimaria's attack by being a God Slayer. The only form of resistance known to this manga is elemental resistance. . Natsu would have resistance against fire but not against dragons with different elements. Gray would have resistance to ice but not against demons with any other element. Besides, resistance is the ability to endure damage from an attack. As far as I am concerned, Dimaria's laser beam isn't just one element so Chelia straight up blocked it because of the enormous increase in her power.
 

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No, Chelia blocking that attack is not an example of slayer advantage. Slayer advantage only applies to the part when TO Chelia defeated Dimaria with one attack at the end of their fight.

She also doesn't gain any resistance against Dimaria's attack by being a God Slayer. The only form of resistance known to this manga is elemental resistance. . Natsu would have resistance against fire but not against dragons with different elements. Gray would have resistance to ice but not against demons with any other element. Besides, resistance is the ability to endure damage from an attack. As far as I am concerned, Dimaria's laser beam isn't just one element so Chelia straight up blocked it because of the enormous increase in her power.
That is not really true , Demon slayer and God slayer does have resistance to God and demon magic .
For example the pic that you post above and gray obvious resistance to mard geer attack . If you don't know about this yet , memento mori did not work on gray becoz gray have resistance to it .

Other people won't have the same resistance as chelia when fighting dimaria . Slayer advantage cover in every aspect .
 

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That is not really true , Demon slayer and God slayer does have resistance to God and demon magic .
For example the pic that you post above and gray obvious resistance to mard geer attack . If you don't know about this yet , memento mori did not work on gray becoz gray have resistance to it .

Other people won't have the same resistance as chelia when fighting dimaria . Slayer advantage cover in every aspect .
Gray's "resistance" to Mard Geer's Momento Mori was different. I put resistance in quotation marks because it isn't the same type of resistance that we are used to when we think of elemental resistance. It was stated that his body became "half-demonized" from Silver's power which is why the attack was negated.

Chelia didn't become half-god. She just blocked the laser beam. I don't really know what else to say. Chelia has always been a god slayer. Yet, she still took damage from a weaker attack by Dimaria.



Only after she gained Third Origin did she manage to deflect Dimaria's beam. That should be enough evidence to say that the main reason why she was able to do what she did was because her power increased dramatically (not because of slayer advantage).
 

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Yeah, but when you make such comparisons in attack, you have to account for attack penetration and durability. To a certain extent, they go hand-in-hand. Also, just so that we're on the same page, I was comparing Dimaria to her fellow Spriggans, not fodders.

Anyways, let's go through all of Dimaria's attacks. Her Age Seal does no damage. Age Scratch was endured by DF Wendy.



So the only attack that Dimaria literally has left is her laser beams.

In the page you just posted, Carla was pierced by Dimaria's laser beam. Now as we all know, Carla's durability is pretty low. That means that less attack penetration (the ability to pierce through the target's defense) and attack power is required for Carla to actually take damage.

On the other hand, let's use TO Chelia (Spriggan level) as an example. Remember this?


The same attack used against Carla was deflected by Chelia with ease. Why? Because Chelia has higher defense. So contrary to the other scenario, it would take more attack penetration and attack power for TO Chelia to be damaged. This feat alone tells me Dimaria's attack isn't that high (considering the fact that really can't do anything against Spriggan-Tier opponents).
Everything you said means nothing, Chelia can stronger than Dimaria but she can't counter time magic. She is getting melted in the booty butt cheeks by Dimaria. Now Ultear is gone, no one can counter her magic.
 

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Just stopping by to add that of it should be taken into account that "Age scratch" makes to victom recall all the pain they were inflicted.
Imagine if that one was used on Erza.Now that would be alot to take in at once (recall Zoro and Kuma's encounter).
 

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Everything you said means nothing, Chelia can stronger than Dimaria but she can't counter time magic. She is getting melted in the booty butt cheeks by Dimaria. Now Ultear is gone, no one can counter her magic.
Maybe or maybe not. Like I said, maybe there is something that Hiro Mashima has not revealed yet.

But saying nobody can counter her magic is a little extreme. Do you think Acnologia would be able to stand a chance against Dimaria? How about Zeref?

Just stopping by to add that of it should be taken into account that "Age scratch" makes to victom recall all the pain they were inflicted.
Imagine if that one was used on Erza.Now that would be alot to take in at once (recall Zoro and Kuma's encounter).
Yeah, I know how Age Scratch works but being inflicted by pain from pre-timeskip characters (fodders) won't really make much of a difference. I'm going to refer back to the Wendy example. Yes, it is true that Wendy received much less pain than Erza throughout the whole series. But we have to consider the fact that Erza is many times stronger than her, meaning her durability is a lot higher. So Erza taking more pain will only make her situation more comparable to that of Wendy's. I will say this again. The purpose of Age Scratch is to give Dimaria an opening for another attack. It isn't a finisher move.

Besides pain has never killed anybody in Fairy Tail. The most notable occurrence in the manga where someone has endured a lot of pain was when Kyōka took away all of Erza's senses and tortured her. But she still lived...
 

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Maybe or maybe not. Like I said, maybe there is something that Hiro Mashima has not revealed yet.

But saying nobody can counter her magic is a little extreme. Do you think Acnologia would be able to stand a chance against Dimaria? How about Zeref?



Yeah, I know how Age Scratch works but being inflicted by pain from pre-timeskip characters (fodders) won't really make much of a difference. I'm going to refer back to the Wendy example. Yes, it is true that Wendy received much less pain than Erza throughout the whole series. But we have to consider the fact that Erza is many times stronger than her, meaning her durability is a lot higher. So Erza taking more pain will only make her situation more comparable to that of Wendy's. I will say this again. The purpose of Age Scratch is to give Dimaria an opening for another attack. It isn't a finisher move.

Besides pain has never killed anybody in Fairy Tail. The most notable occurrence in the manga where someone has endured a lot of pain was when Kyōka took away all of Erza's senses and tortured her. But she still lived...
Although I mostly agree with you,please note, even everything you said true, taking pain over 1 years is not the same as taking all the same pain in a few sec. You canbe durable all you like,but taking that much pain isn't to be taken lightly,but can also cause alot of damage,although it would be more psychological.Besides I do agree it's more for an opening,but it still isnt to be underestimated.
 

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I'm going to pretend I never read this post in my life. also, you shoudn't be that harsh lol. I never said anything about CSK. I want Lucy to get some power boost. it might be from Celestial Spirit Magic or from other type of magic.
That's good, it's good to wants things. I wasn't being harsh but ok, Lucy is considered fodder in this story, she will have no impact on it. She is probably weaker than Evergreen at this point.

Anyway back to the Natsu vs Gildarts, Gildarts is faster than Natsu and none of Natsus attack mean anything if Gildarts blitz him and throws mountain busting punches before Natsu can even use an attack.
 

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That's good, it's good to wants things. I wasn't being harsh but ok, Lucy is considered fodder in this story, she will have no impact on it. She is probably weaker than Evergreen at this point.

Anyway back to the Natsu vs Gildarts, Gildarts is faster than Natsu and none of Natsus attack mean anything if Gildarts blitz him and throws mountain busting punches before Natsu can even use an attack.
that's why I want to see Lucy getting some insane boost. she may not be strong but she is far from being useless.

I agree with you that current Gildarts is stronger than Natsu. heck, he is stronger than Laxus. I was comparing Tenrou LFD Natsu and Tenrou Gildarts. Tenrou LFD Natsu > Hades > Gildarts.
 

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That's good, it's good to wants things. I wasn't being harsh but ok, Lucy is considered fodder in this story, she will have no impact on it. She is probably weaker than Evergreen at this point.

Anyway back to the Natsu vs Gildarts, Gildarts is faster than Natsu and none of Natsus attack mean anything if Gildarts blitz him and throws mountain busting punches before Natsu can even use an attack.
I agree with you when it comes to Base Natsu, but FDKM or DF might be another story. There is a lack of feats from those two modes so I think there is the possibility that with one of them Natsu could be on par or even above Gildarts. Gotta wait for more feats I guess
 

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I think Gildarts has more magical power than Natsu does, so overall Gildarts is stronger.
Natsu's FDK gives him spells that are comparable with Gildarts', so in terms of attack power they are comparable.
This is pretty much the same when we compare Natsu with Laxus, whom I have on Gildart's level.
 

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I think Gildarts has more magical power than Natsu does, so overall Gildarts is stronger.
Natsu's FDK gives him spells that are comparable with Gildarts', so in terms of attack power they are comparable.
This is pretty much the same when we compare Natsu with Laxus, whom I have on Gildart's level.
I doubt Natsu can throw multiple demolition fist instantaneously. Laxus is not on Gildarts level, all his spells means nothing if Gildarts negates them and starts pounding Laxus with mountain bust punches.
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I agree with you when it comes to Base Natsu, but FDKM or DF might be another story. There is a lack of feats from those two modes so I think there is the possibility that with one of them Natsu could be on par or even above Gildarts. Gotta wait for more feats I guess
FDKM and DF only drains his power faster. He got like 3 hits on Mard Geer and passed out, Gildarts is faster than Natsu when he's not even trying. Did you recall the punch on Bluenotestinger? He was laughing after breaking his black hole. Then after being 15 ft apart, Gildarts got there instantly and slapped him to clouds.
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I think Gildarts has more magical power than Natsu does, so overall Gildarts is stronger.
Natsu's FDK gives him spells that are comparable with Gildarts', so in terms of attack power they are comparable.
This is pretty much the same when we compare Natsu with Laxus, whom I have on Gildart's level.
LFDR is stronger than Gildarts? His magic power was felt from literally the other side of the island. Keep in mind that Gildarts was underground too.
 

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I doubt Natsu can throw multiple demolition fist instantaneously. Laxus is not on Gildarts level, all his spells means nothing if Gildarts negates them and starts pounding Laxus with mountain bust punches.
Same can be said with Gildarts and Empyrean.

Laxus is a pretty adept at hand to hand on top of having large nukes. He should be able to hang in there with Gildarts. Even if Gildarts is ultimately stronger, they would still pretty much be on the same level.
 

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Same can be said with Gildarts and Empyrean.

Laxus is a pretty adept at hand to hand on top of having large nukes. He should be able to hang in there with Gildarts. Even if Gildarts is ultimately stronger, they would still pretty much be on the same level.
Gildarts has casual mountain busting punches and insane speeds. Meaning he can throw several mountain busting punches, those punches break mountain size attacks.
 

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Gildarts has casual mountain busting punches and insane speeds. Meaning he can throw several mountain busting punches, those punches break mountain size attacks.
Has Gildarts actually demonstrated the ability to repeatedly use power-house punches in the manner you're describing?
 

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Well if your one of "those people" i cant change your opinion on him not being spriggan level, nor do i wish to try to change your mind otherwise, but the fact remains... he has shown sufficient feats and this is just one more (countering spriggan level spells) i dont wish to start another debate.

It appears he is using his own flames in the spoiler. Im so stoked!
Natsu can only get Spriggan level with FDK, we've seen that in his fights that at his base he's not spriggan level yet, specially the Jacob fight where his base dragonslayer attacks hardly fazed him hence he had to go use his FDK to beat him, think about it why did Natsu have to resort and put more effort and use FDK to beat Jacob when he can just Base Roar him?

then there's the Historia Serena fight where they were helpless against Serena's attacks which shows that the members of Team Natsu hasn't reached Spriggans yet, even against Ajeel they were into quite a pickle if not for laxus saving their butts.
 

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Natsu can only get Spriggan level with FDK, we've seen that in his fights that at his base he's not spriggan level yet, specially the Jacob fight where his base dragonslayer attacks hardly fazed him hence he had to go use his FDK to beat him. then there's the Historia Serena fight where they were helpless against Serena's attacks which shows that the members of Team Natsu hasn't reached Spriggans yet, even against Ajeel they were into quite a pickle if not for laxus saving their butts.
In his fight vs Jacob, he held back. It has been established once he went all out Jacob was fodder

Against Serena they didnt even get a chance to counter before Gildarts came and a half assed "fight" does not equal both sides going all out until Gildartz came for hype reasons

Against Ajeel, you dont know what would have happened, but natsu did show the ability to cancel out Ajeels earlier attack so it stands to reason he could have countered with a larger spell. We will never know. Those are bad reasons to say why he isnt spriggan level, he has more feats for than against him being spriggan level

This is getting off topic and fully expect this post to be deleted die to its off topic nature
 

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In no way am i calling you a hater. Dont thing im singling you out. Its just that i have debated with your type before and they hardly come out on top when countered with manga fact. You not a hater... but you make up an increasingly small number of FT fans that think Natsu cant hold his own with a spriggan when he can. Im not trying to start a power levels debate here so lets agree to disagree

For the on topic part of this post, i think Invel is going to troll gray a bit and cancel out his DeS magic until Gray uses he own winter against him.

BRANDISH IS DEFINITELY HELPING OUT NATSU AND LUCY: I totally ship Brandish/Natsu/Lucy :)!!!
We hardly come up on top? How about you actualul prove that Natsu can hold on against a spriggan on his own without any cheap shots, or distractions from a distracted spriggan, then we can talk. You have no rooms for your arguments considering Natsu's feats aren't sufficient to be on spriggan level. Yes, agree to disagree.

Yeah he might, but I don't see him canceling the DeS magic. but it would be interesting to see Gray using Invel's own winter against him, since Invel is fated to lose after all.

I ship Brandish x Lucy
 

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In his fight vs Jacob, he held back. It has been established once he went all out Jacob was fodder

Against Serena they didnt even get a chance to counter before Gildarts came and a half assed "fight" does not equal both sides going all out until Gildartz came for hype reasons

Against Ajeel, you dont know what would have happened, but natsu did show the ability to cancel out Ajeels earlier attack so it stands to reason he could have countered with a larger spell. We will never know. Those are bad reasons to say why he isnt spriggan level, he has more feats for than against him being spriggan level

This is getting off topic and fully expect this post to be deleted die to its off topic nature
when he was outside he wasn't holding back anymore. out of all the spells he has he had to resort to his FDK that really is a clear indication that his base abilities wouldn't suffice considering he already knows how durable Jacob was when he was hitting him inside.

he's holding back in a sense that he's restricted on using his high DC/AOE abilities like Roar, there are attacks that does high damage that doesn't do lots of DC. his Fire Punch isn't a high DC spell the magnitude of the attack he used on Jacob was about the same as when he used it against Ajeel and he wasn't "holding" back that time.
 
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