Many people say Dimaria is the strongest Spriggan because nobody would even have the chance to defend against attacks. When you think about it, Jacob has pretty much the same advantage. He can easily use stealth and then stab someone with a sword. Yet for some reason Dimaria has the potential to kill August and Irene, and Jacob is the weakest Spriggan without his transport? Dimaria's sword is also just a regular sword.
I expressed a similar notion before, but it seems that because Age Seal is triggered within the time it takes to click her teeth, then it is vastly superior to Jacob's who needs to clap his hands... which admittedly has been shown to be stoppable as Happy did. I still think Transport is more or less the same as Age Seal. Jacob has better feats with it imo, as Brandish and 111 FT members were trapped in it. Both Transport and Age Seal have been countered.
Chronos being a better combatant than Jacob is probably the difference between them, imo.
I'm calm. crap is my usual word when talking about not - so - strong Spriggans. you overrate him a bit too much.
you said that he can just break their bodies when frozen. that's a very bold statement because he would no diff Natsu, Gildarts, Laxus and Jellal. if we take your words seriously.
You're sounding pretty aggressive. I'm overrating him by displaying his feats? One can say you're underestimating him.
If Invel can manage to freeze FDK Natsu, Gildartz, Laxus and Jellal, then I don't see why he can't. Once your frozen, you can break into tiny of frozen molecule pieces.
Casaul ice rofllll. Invel himself hyped Natsu, he said only Natsu can melt my ice which said enough he was serious, Infact Natsu 1 shotted Jacob in BDKM while Des Gray is struggling against non serious Invel.
Invel can't do anything against base Natsu to start with.
Yeah, it was casual. Are you implying Invel was serious in freezing them? LOL. Yeah he said only Natsu can freeze his casual ice.
Newsflash, instead of giving Natsu the credit. Lucy and Makarov assisted them, and then Natsu oneshotted a vulnerable Jacob who has piss poor durability, and has weak ass strength, compared to Invel casually taking out Natsu with one hand.
and yes Invel was serious against Gray.
Invel can't do anything against Base Natsu a non-spriggan level character? WOWWWWWWW
I have no problem if someone says Invel is around Ajeel's level. I don't see much of a difference. Ajeel gets downplayed a bit imo. He's not a top tier in the Spriggan's, but he's far from a scrub. Invel is more efficient than Ajeel due to personality difference - and that is probably something Ajeel won't change unless he's taking on an opponent he deems worthy ie not a 'foot-soldier' like Erza.
Jacob also gets downplayed but it's a lot to do with that awful fanservice troll. It's a weakness of his though, so as stupid as it is, it still does factor against him.
You're sounding pretty aggressive. I'm overrating him by displaying his feats? One can say you're underestimating him.
If Invel can manage to freeze FDK Natsu, Gildartz, Laxus and Jellal, then I don't see why he can't. Once your frozen, you can break into tiny of frozen molecule pieces.
as i said before, Invel should be a refrigerator or something that he is good at. Mashima excluded Natsu from this fight before he 1 shots invel gehehehe
also, if Natsu faced Invel alone he would immediately enter FDKM. he didn't instantly froze Natsu. what he did is not Godly impressive as some people are making it out to be.
Invel is stronger than Lessio, his cast time with spells is faster than anything Lessio can pull off even with Transport since we've already seen that Invel doesn't need his hands to cast his Ice as shown when he encountered Team Natsu...
Also, to those people who put Invel in top 5 Spriggan 12 rankings, you might need to rearrange a few things
Uh, Ice Lock and Ice Sleep...
Also the fact that Natsu has to leave himself covered in fire in Invel's blizzard is an indicator that he would get refrozen again if he stayed for a few seconds longer in that blizzard
Invel is stronger than Lessio, his cast time with spells is faster than anything Lessio can pull off even with Transport since we've already seen that Invel doesn't need his hands to cast his Ice as shown when he encountered Team Natsu...
Also, to those people who put Invel in top 5 Spriggan 12 rankings, you might need to rearrange a few things
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Uh, Ice Lock and Ice Sleep...
Also the fact that Natsu has to leave himself covered in fire in Invel's blizzard is an indicator that he would get refrozen again if he stayed for a few seconds longer in that blizzard
Nope, His flames freed Juvia and Lucy too . Your words can't be true because Natsu melted the ice during a heavy blizzard a worser case. His flames aura shall protect him. plus Invel froze Natsu weakest attacks in his fire force mastery "Fire dragon roar" Natsu can use Fire dragon king roar but he didn't. Mashima wanted Natsu frozen again so he can melt the ice to show us how much he progessed from the last time.
Dude the CR translation Lucy is suffering from a hot temp in a heavy blizzard from base Natsu. Also CR translation, Invel hyped Natsu by saying Only Natsu can melt my ice how he wasn't serious??. He intented to freeze all team Natsu that's why he was surpised when Gray wasn't frozen.
Natsu one shot bluenote without any named skills does it mean he didn't use a strong one ?
Fire dragon king roar won't do anything ? the same mastery who took down a war god ? lmfaooo. Mashima writing is precise he does everything for a reason. He didn't make Invel froze a dragon king roar not to degrade Natsu that's why.
Natsu using fire dragon roar equivalent to using fire dragon claw in the guild hall when he was holding back.
Dude the CR translation Lucy is suffering from a hot temp in a heavy blizzard from base Natsu. Also CR translation, Invel hyped Natsu by saying Only Natsu can melt my ice how he wasn't serious??. He intented to freeze all team Natsu that's why he was surpised when Gray wasn't frozen.
Natsu one shot bluenote without any named skills does it mean he didn't use a strong one ?
Fire dragon king roar won't do anything ? the same mastery who took down a war god ? lmfaooo. Mashima writing is precise he does everything for a reason. He didn't make Invel froze a dragon king roar not to degrade Natsu that's why.
Natsu using fire dragon roar equivalent to using fire dragon claw in the guild hall when he was holding back.
Natsu one shot bluenote with a try hard spell. As seen in the last few chapters, Natsu base roar is still the same size as Gajeels against Bradman. He knew bluenotestinger was a threat so he used a lot of power in that attack. So no, that isn't his base roar.
Invel froze Natsu and all his attempts to ablaze the area instantaneously. The only person who would be unaffected by that is Gildarts because his body is cover in crash.
He was slapping Natsu, dodging all of his attacks with ease. Natsu had to go all out and use a OP spell to beat him. Natsus attacks couldn't even move Jacob. Jaocb was able to search the entire guild before anyone noticed, he used transport.
I'd say it's his base roar. The difference to the roar he used against Invel and Bluenote comes down to effort. Imo Natsu used a full powered roar against Bluenote, but didn't when Invel froze it.
We can use FD Iron fist as a minimum for a full-powered FD roar's AoE, given the AoE of roar's is the largest.
So using those I'd say it's reasonable that Natsu used a base roar against Bluenote.
Plus I think when a big spell gets introduced, and more importantly a new spell type (FDK), then it's going to be said by the character. I'd expect this to occur all the time. It might not always happen, but for Natsu and FDK spells, then I do expect it. Imo when Natsu doesn't say the words it's a base attack, but Hiro will make it clear that a spell is FDK, so that we know.
I'd say it's his base roar. The difference to the roar he used against Invel and Bluenote comes down to effort. Imo Natsu used a full powered roar against Bluenote, but didn't when Invel froze it.
We can use FD Iron fist as a minimum for a full-powered FD roar's AoE, given the AoE of roar's is the largest.
So using those I'd say it's reasonable that Natsu used a base roar against Bluenote.
Plus I think when a big spell gets introduced, and more importantly a new spell type (FDK), then it's going to be said by the character. I'd expect this to occur all the time. It might not always happen, but for Natsu and FDK spells, then I do expect it. Imo when Natsu doesn't say the words it's a base attack, but Hiro will make it clear that a spell is FDK, so that we know.
I'm calm. crap is my usual word when talking about not - so - strong Spriggans. you overrate him a bit too much.
you said that he can just break their bodies when frozen. that's a very bold statement because he would no diff Natsu, Gildarts, Laxus and Jellal. if we take your words seriously.
Nope, His flames freed Juvia and Lucy too . Your words can't be true because Natsu melted the ice during a heavy blizzard a worser case. His flames aura shall protect him. plus Invel froze Natsu weakest attacks in his fire force mastery "Fire dragon roar" Natsu can use Fire dragon king roar but he didn't. Mashima wanted Natsu frozen again so he can melt the ice to show us how much he progessed from the last time.
Dude the CR translation Lucy is suffering from a hot temp in a heavy blizzard from base Natsu. Also CR translation, Invel hyped Natsu by saying Only Natsu can melt my ice how he wasn't serious??. He intented to freeze all team Natsu that's why he was surpised when Gray wasn't frozen.
Natsu one shot bluenote without any named skills does it mean he didn't use a strong one ?
Fire dragon king roar won't do anything ? the same mastery who took down a war god ? lmfaooo. Mashima writing is precise he does everything for a reason. He didn't make Invel froze a dragon king roar not to degrade Natsu that's why.
Natsu using fire dragon roar equivalent to using fire dragon claw in the guild hall when he was holding back.
Yes , NATSU was holding back which is now pretty much obvious after he melted INVEL's flame not only around him but also around JUVIA & LUCY using his base power.......He was captured but showed his power......This is sometimes the tedency of a strong fighter where they will take their opponents attack head-on & then dis-mantle it giving them psychological pressure......In this case , INVEL was not surprised because he already knew NATSU was capable of that.....
What I basically see from last 2 pages discussion & before of JACOB & INVEL is this .....
JACOB- A great fighter (because he gave NATSU trouble & MAKAROV & LUCY assisted him)......
At the same time when the discussion shifts to this side, (NATSU one shotted him with his power ) , he is called extremely weak & not even at SPRINGANN level.
INVEL :- A great fighter (because he froze BASE NATSU ) , made GRAY shiver & GRAY had to use ZEROTH-long sword.........
At the same time , when the discussion is he only used a single hand , it is said that he is not that great ...GRAY harmed him with his sword & DeS GRAY made INVEL use blizzard , a great technique.But that technique becomes weak when it is the fact that NATSU melted it with his power........but didn't when Invel froze it.
So , basically , it is not the comparison or any review / discussion for the SPRINGANN......
The argument for the same element / power / technique are shifted........using GRAY & NATSU as the basis....
A technique is great because GRAY countered it but is weak because NATSU countered it..........
I'd say it's his base roar. The difference to the roar he used against Invel and Bluenote comes down to effort. Imo Natsu used a full powered roar against Bluenote,
We can use FD Iron fist as a minimum for a full-powered FD roar's AoE, given the AoE of roar's is the largest.
So using those I'd say it's reasonable that Natsu used a base roar against Bluenote.
Plus I think when a big spell gets introduced, and more importantly a new spell type (FDK), then it's going to be said by the character. I'd expect this to occur all the time. It might not always happen, but for Natsu and FDK spells, then I do expect it. Imo when Natsu doesn't say the words it's a base attack, but Hiro will make it clear that a spell is FDK, so that we know.
but since you don't, I sincerely apologize. also, Invel basically did a sneak attack lol.
