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Bradman is difficult to fight against, but you don't need to be strong as hell to fight him, you need to have a counter against his abilities. Someone as strong as Makarov could probably defeat Bradman if they had a counter against the MBP and intangibility.
 

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Laxus is a beast so I'm not seeing your point. One thing is for sure though, Levy wouldn't come out of a scuffle with Wahl with enough energy to straddle her man. For all the hax he has and all the curses he spammed he sure didn't accomplish much.
I can agree with that, i also think Bradman didn't accomplish much. Which is still more than what Wahl did.
Laxus is indeed a beast, and this conversation initially was about how to rank DF Gajeel compared to Laxus. So Laxus being a beast helps my argument, i would agree Laxus > DF Gajeel.
Whether or not they are in the same tier, i still think Bradman > Wahl. Not by a huge margin though.
 

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Laxus is a beast so I'm not seeing your point. One thing is for sure though, Levy wouldn't come out of a scuffle with Wahl with enough energy to straddle her man. For all the hax he has and all the curses he spammed he sure didn't accomplish much.
I have to somewhat agree here. Bradman kind of underperformed because of CiS. He didn't use his most haxish curses like Macro even when he could've and that downplays him quite a bit.

Still, there is no way in my mental list Bradman wouldn't be above Wahl; although Wahl is a counter for Bradman since he wouldn't be affected by MBP, which actually gives him great advantage.

As many have mentioned, the only reason Wahl put up a fight to Laxus is because of two reasons: 1) lightning immunity (Wahl was a counter for Laxus) and 2) Laxus was trashed prior to the start of the battle. And Laxus still won.

After seeing Jellal oneshot a spriggan, Base Natsu twoshot a spriggan, bloodlusted Gray easily defeated a spriggan, DF Gajeel trashed a spriggan and Laxus did fairly well against a spriggan even when he was doubledly disadvantaged, I'm gonna bet Natsu, Gray, DF Gajeel, Laxus, Jellal and Glidartz are all mid to high spriggan tier (although they don't have hax). God Serena and Glidartz may be half a tier above, but not by much.

Bradman is difficult to fight against, but you don't need to be strong as hell to fight him, you need to have a counter against his abilities. Someone as strong as Makarov could probably defeat Bradman if they had a counter against the MBP and intangibility.
Not quite seeing as to how Rogue may've likely surpassed Makarov but isn't being capable of beating less than half Bradman (Historia Bradman) even when Rogue can actually hurt him.
 
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Not to mention, Gildarts stated that the actual Serena would've been on par with him.
That was to generate hype.



Feat-wise he's the second fastest human character after Acnologia, and strength-wise him and God Serena don't even compare. Gildarts was able to destroy a mountain with a single punch, something that is leagues above God Serena's actual Earth Dragon Slayer magic. The main thing though is that Gildarts' Crash is the perfect counter for God Serena's projectile-focuses Dragon Slayer magic. He showed Crash works on energy attacks like Natsu's fire, meaning most of God Serena's shown arsenal would be useless against Gildarts.

Gildarts durability totally outclasses Serena. He was able to survive dragon Acnologia who ripped a hole in his belly, tear an arm and leg.

It's ok, people on this forum ignore feats. He blitzed bluenote as soon as his power got back. Then he blitzed him again with Empyrean when separated without him noticing.

Read chapter 238.
He was also able to send so much force upward that in the time it took Bluenote to move a dozen or so meters up that clouds multiple kilometers up were split. Bluenote was gone by the time Rustyrose hit the ground.

Gildarts has casual mountain busting punches and insane speeds. Combine those two means Gildarts can throw multiple mountain busting punches instantaneously.
 

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@Woodenstool We'll all be glad to say to you "we told you!!" when Glidartz turns out not to be so fast and strong as you hype him up to be. The bias is strong in you.
 

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@Woodenstool We'll all be glad to say to you "we told you!!" when Glidartz turns out not to be so fast and strong as you hype him up to be. The bias is strong in you.
Can you read my post before making baseless claims? It's fine to ignore my post, you can't handle it because your favoriting character God Serena isn't as strong as you like him to be.
 

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Can you read my post before making baseless claims? It's fine to ignore my post, you can't handle it because your favoriting character God Serena isn't as strong as you like him to be.
Fyi I like Glidartz more than God Serena but I'm being realistic. I read your post. But it does not make sense... After you claimed that Glidartz is faster than light, understand anything you say has little credibility. Glidartz is supersonic, hypersonic maybe, but nowhere close to subrelativistic let alone FTL.

We'd appreciate it if you wouldn't post bs, because if you post such thing we laugh at you and I don't really like to laugh at you. Come on I'm sure you're better than that, do you really believe Glidartz is faster than light? Please, say no, because if you say yes then there's no-one in this forum who's ever gonna give any credit to anything you say or take you seriously. Not in this forum, not in any other forum. You're literally the only person on earth who believes Glidartz to be FTL.
 

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Fyi I like Glidartz more than God Serena but I'm being realistic. I read your post. But it does not make sense... After you claimed that Glidartz is faster than light, understand anything you say has little credibility. Glidartz is supersonic, hypersonic maybe, but nowhere close to subrelativistic let alone FTL.

We'd appreciate it if you wouldn't post bs, because if you post such thing we laugh at you and I don't really like to laugh at you. Come on I'm sure you're better than that, do you really believe Glidartz is faster than light? Please, say no, because if you say yes then there's no-one in this forum who's ever gonna give any credit to anything you say or take you seriously. Not in this forum, not in any other forum. You're literally the only person on earth who believes Glidartz to be FTL.
Gildarts is the second fastest character below Acnologia. You have to disprove that they aren't.

People ignored my post in the Natsu vs Gildarts because no one could refute anything I said. And I did it once again with God Serena, so please Char, refute every claim ive posted.
 

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Gildarts is the second fastest character below Acnologia. You have to disprove that they aren't.

People ignored my post in the Natsu vs Gildarts because no one could refute anything I said. And I did it once again with God Serena, so please Char, refute every claim ive posted.
I'm not supposed to prove negatives, you're supposed to prove Glidartz is fast. Not the Ice Trail again please, that only puts him at supersonic at most. You have nothing to prove Glidartz speed.

First of all: do you know what light speed is?
 

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I'm not supposed to prove negatives, you're supposed to prove Glidartz is fast. Not the Ice Trail again please, that only puts him at supersonic at most. You have nothing to prove Glidartz speed.

First of all: do you know what light speed is?
Gildarts threw 13 punches instantaneously. That is faster than light. I did prove Gildarts is fast bud.
 
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Gildarts threw 13 punches instantaneously. That is faster than light. I did prove Gildarts is fast bud.
Please explain how throwing 13 punches in an instant automatically means that the character is FTL. I hope realize that when the word "instant" is being used it is entirely based off of the perspective of the person that said it. What it means is that it can feel like an instant for the guy that saw what had happened. If I remember, then wasn't the person that described Gildarts' attack speed as instantaneous a fodder level or much weaker character compared to the characters in the current arc. If it is than he loses all credibility for that feat considering how it is from the perspective of a much weaker and slower character. Their reaction time and speed are obviously going to much lower than his.
 

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Gildarts threw 13 punches instantaneously. That is faster than light. I did prove Gildarts is fast bud.
No, you are wrong. That is faster than the eye, not faster than light.

When someone shots a gun, do you see the bullet? No... you don't, because it's too fast for you, faster than the eye. Yet if you compare its speed to the speed of light, it would be sooooooooooooo slow, that it would look as if the bullet was stopped in time, and it wouldn't move at all.

Speed of light is 900000 times faster than the speed of sound. To compare, speed of light is faster than a supercar at 300 km/h if compared to a snail.

The Fairy Tail verse is slow as hell if compared to the Narutoverse, where only Madara had a speed of light laser, and Naruto dodged it. It was arguably asspull. Not even Goku moves at the speed of light (instantaneous transmission not taken into account).

So that you understand it, in this manga, magic rays are plasma. Magic attacks may be anywhere from supersonic (340 m/s) to lightning speed (600,000 m/s), nowhere near speed of light (300,000,000 m/s).

So, Glidartz could've executed 13 punches in 1000 m/s, which is quite fast, but if you compare it to the speed of light, it'd be sooooo slow that it'd look like Glidartz's arm is COMPLETELY still.

Let me put it that way, if a punch is the extension of the arm 1 meter, and Glidartz is 1000 m/s fast, then he can throw 1000 punches in one second. And he is massively slower than light.

Look at this video: <- in it, Glidartz would be the Thrust SSC, he probably is nowhere near the Voyager 1. Look at the speed of light.

Light crosses the line in 1 second, yet Glidartz's speed takes 10 days to complete the same distance. If put together, for light it is like if the Thrust SSC is completely immobile, still. Do you understand the atrocity you just claimed when you said Glidartz is FTL? You sincerely should admit that you're wrong publicly.

You seriously need to educate yourself before making stupid claims. http://www.outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/45-speed
 
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Wall is above Bloodman for mine. Bloodman's best asset is his hax intangibility. We can equate that as Bloodman having better physicals than Wall. But Wall's offence is also better than Bloodman's. Weakness magic gives Wall an edge in combat, and is adept at long or close range. I'd say he is a better combatant overall. Wall is arguably doing better against Minerva than Bloodman is against Rogue.

DF Gajeel is probably stronger than Laxus in terms of physical strength, so he would be able to overwhelm Laxus in CQC. Laxus still has enough powerful techniques to win, but Gajeel would also have a secret art in DF that would emulate Laxus' techs. It's conceivable that DF Gajeel can beat Laxus. FDKM Natsu is about the same as Laxus. In overall attack power Natsu should be ahead, but physicals are in Laxus' favour so it evens out.

As for Gildarts speed, we saw how fast he is in combat against Bluenote and H-Serena. He's probably fast, but not much faster than those guys. I'd say Gildarts speed is similar to Natsu/Gray/Erza.
 

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Wall is above Bloodman for mine. Bloodman's best asset is his hax intangibility. We can equate that as Bloodman having better physicals than Wall. But Wall's offence is also better than Bloodman's. Weakness magic gives Wall an edge in combat, and is adept at long or close range. I'd say he is a better combatant overall. Wall is arguably doing better against Minerva than Bloodman is against Rogue.

DF Gajeel is probably stronger than Laxus in terms of physical strength, so he would be able to overwhelm Laxus in CQC. Laxus still has enough powerful techniques to win, but Gajeel would also have a secret art in DF that would emulate Laxus' techs. It's conceivable that DF Gajeel can beat Laxus. FDKM Natsu is about the same as Laxus. In overall attack power Natsu should be ahead, but physicals are in Laxus' favour so it evens out.

As for Gildarts speed, we saw how fast he is in combat against Bluenote and H-Serena. He's probably fast, but not much faster than those guys. I'd say Gildarts speed is similar to Natsu/Gray/Erza.
No proof, just stop. Gildarts stomps them all.
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No, you are wrong. That is faster than the eye, not faster than light.

When someone shots a gun, do you see the bullet? No... you don't, because it's too fast for you, faster than the eye. Yet if you compare its speed to the speed of light, it would be sooooooooooooo slow, that it would look as if the bullet was stopped in time, and it wouldn't move at all.

Speed of light is 900000 times faster than the speed of sound. To compare, speed of light is faster than a supercar at 300 km/h if compared to a snail.

The Fairy Tail verse is slow as hell if compared to the Narutoverse, where only Madara had a speed of light laser, and Naruto dodged it. It was arguably asspull. Not even Goku moves at the speed of light (instantaneous transmission not taken into account).

So that you understand it, in this manga, magic rays are plasma. Magic attacks may be anywhere from supersonic (340 m/s) to lightning speed (600,000 m/s), nowhere near speed of light (300,000,000 m/s).

So, Glidartz could've executed 13 punches in 1000 m/s, which is quite fast, but if you compare it to the speed of light, it'd be sooooo slow that it'd look like Glidartz's arm is COMPLETELY still.

Let me put it that way, if a punch is the extension of the arm 1 meter, and Glidartz is 1000 m/s fast, then he can throw 1000 punches in one second. And he is massively slower than light.

Look at this video: <- in it, Glidartz would be the Thrust SSC, he probably is nowhere near the Voyager 1. Look at the speed of light.

Light crosses the line in 1 second, yet Glidartz's speed takes 10 days to complete the same distance. If put together, for light it is like if the Thrust SSC is completely immobile, still. Do you understand the atrocity you just claimed when you said Glidartz is FTL? You sincerely should admit that you're wrong publicly.

You seriously need to educate yourself before making stupid claims. http://www.outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/45-speed
Fast=\=instantaneous Nope.
Don't ignore source cannon facts.
 

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Do you even read the posts you respond to? Or are they just too complex for you to understand?
Everyone ignored my post earlier like it didn't exist because no one can debunk it.

Let me post here again so you kids can't let it come to past.
Feat-wise he's the second fastest human character after Acnologia, and strength-wise him and God Serena don't even compare. Gildarts was able to destroy a mountain with a single punch, something that is leagues above God Serena's actual Earth Dragon Slayer magic. The main thing though is that Gildarts' Crash is the perfect counter for God Serena's projectile-focuses Dragon Slayer magic. He showed Crash works on energy attacks like Natsu's fire, meaning most of God Serena's shown arsenal would be useless against Gildarts.

Gildarts durability totally outclasses Serena. He was able to survive dragon Acnologia who ripped a hole in his belly, tear an arm and leg.

It's ok, people on this forum ignore feats. He blitzed bluenote as soon as his power got back. Then he blitzed him again with Empyrean when separated without him noticing.

Read chapter 238.
He was also able to send so much force upward that in the time it took Bluenote to move a dozen or so meters up that clouds multiple kilometers up were split. Bluenote was gone by the time Rustyrose hit the ground.

Gildarts has casual mountain busting punches and insane speeds. Combine those two means Gildarts can throw multiple mountain busting punches instantaneously.
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Please explain how throwing 13 punches in an instant automatically means that the character is FTL. I hope realize that when the word "instant" is being used it is entirely based off of the perspective of the person that said it. What it means is that it can feel like an instant for the guy that saw what had happened. If I remember, then wasn't the person that described Gildarts' attack speed as instantaneous a fodder level or much weaker character compared to the characters in the current arc. If it is than he loses all credibility for that feat considering how it is from the perspective of a much weaker and slower character. Their reaction time and speed are obviously going to much lower than his.
If Gildarts throws punches instantly, his brain would have to function at the same speed to even process tha. Meaning Gildarts can also react to insane speeds
 

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No proof, just stop. Gildarts stomps them all.
The proof is in the fights against Bluenote and God Serena. Let's say Gildarts has 'light-speed', then I'd say he doesn't use it in battle. Gildarts fights with heavy punches, relies on disassembly to defend as well as the strength of his own body to take punches. So in a fight he doesn't seem to blitz his opponents, he tends to brawl.

Anyway his speed isn't instant, or he'd have got away from Acnologia's 'instant attack'. He's pretty fast for someone who doesn't rely on magic for speed.
 

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Gildarts may not have the speed of light though he is the fastest character aside if Acnologia. Wooden stool addressed some good points and feats of Gildarts and I would have to agree with him/her.

Gildarts reacting to lazers.
http://www.mangapanda.com/tale-of-fairy-ice-trail-koori-no-kiseki/4/24

Gildarts moved his hand about 2m in before a laser could move half a meter

0.5/299 792 458 = 0.0000000016678205 seconds

Meaning 2/0.0000000016678205/340

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His fights with Bluenotestinger and God Serena showed tell you that he is indeed faster than Erza, Natsu, Laxus.

Those lazers by the way came from machines, not magic. So it's safe to assume that they were going at the speed of light... Did I just contradict myself? Yikes.
 

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Gildarts may not have the speed of light though he is the fastest character aside if Acnologia. Wooden stool addressed some good points and feats of Gildarts and I would have to agree with him/her.

Gildarts reacting to lazers.
http://www.mangapanda.com/tale-of-fairy-ice-trail-koori-no-kiseki/4/24

Gildarts moved his hand about 2m in before a laser could move half a meter

0.5/299 792 458 = 0.0000000016678205 seconds

Meaning 2/0.0000000016678205/340

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His fights with Bluenotestinger and God Serena showed tell you that he is indeed faster than Erza, Natsu, Laxus.

Those lazers by the way came from machines, not magic. So it's safe to assume that they were going at the speed of light... Did I just contradict myself? Yikes.
Points which have already been discredited. Those weren't actual lasers because they were made through magic. Technically, those were just superheated blasts of magic fired at pinpoint accuracy, therefore not FTL as real Lasers are.
 

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Points which have already been discredited. Those weren't actual lasers because they were made through magic. Technically, those were just superheated blasts of magic fired at pinpoint accuracy, therefore not FTL as real Lasers are.
The only thing you disproved was the lazers moving at light speed. That's not even a fraction of things Woodstool has pointed out, his/her point still stands.
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The proof is in the fights against Bluenote and God Serena. Let's say Gildarts has 'light-speed', then I'd say he doesn't use it in battle. Gildarts fights with heavy punches, relies on disassembly to defend as well as the strength of his own body to take punches. So in a fight he doesn't seem to blitz his opponents, he tends to brawl.

Anyway his speed isn't instant, or he'd have got away from Acnologia's 'instant attack'. He's pretty fast for someone who doesn't rely on magic for speed.
It's an anime/manga that requires people's entertainment. Natsu could have taken out Jacob or Invel(debatable) if he tried. Hiro Mashima is not going to have a fight last 10 seconds.


He sent a dude multiple kilometers in the air in the time it took Rustyrose to hit the ground.

And in a hundred of a fraction or some sort of tiny number in the time it took for Bluenote to be like a dozen meters up the force already completely penetrated the cloud level.
 

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The only thing you disproved was the lazers moving at light speed. That's not even a fraction of things Woodstool has pointed out, his/her point still stands.
  • We proved that in no way was Ice Trail deemed canon
  • We proved that the lasers that Gildarts dodged in that "spin off" weren't light speed
  • Half the other things Stool pointed out have nothing to do with speed blitzing anyway
 
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