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Gray and Natsu are equal. FDKM is on par with Grays Ice Devil mode. Gray beat Invel with bare fist while Natsu had to use Fire dragon kings crumbling fist to take out Jacob.

Which took more magic power? Certainly wasn't Gray...
Gray didn't beat Invel with his bare fists, if you go back and actually read the damn chapter Gray used a DeS attack to take him out. Not to mention the fact that Gray had the advantage over Invel by being able to mold his ice while Natsu had to hold back tremendously against Jacob.

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Gray beat Invel via a power up from darkness - it's basically a source of MP. Darkness has been an idea Hiro has hinted at before, but Hiro's now defined it better, and Hiro's also written Devil Slaying magic to accommodate darkness as well. In the recent chapter, Gray was able to use this power at will too - so I think his PL has changed accordingly (I had expected this with my rankings previously). But before Juvia died, Gray was roughly Erza-level, though I expect her to win a fight with Gray. Now though, Gray > Erza.

This is my power ranking for Gray...

Pre-498 = Erza level at most
Ch-500 Base Gray ~ base Natsu
Ch-504 Gray w/black marks ~ Laxus level.

Will wait for more chapters this could change with the trump card, use of better spells etc.
 

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My ranking of Ishgar Mage:

1. Natsu
2. Gildarts
3. Laxus
4. Jellal
5. Makarov
6. Erza
7. Gray
8. Gajeel
9. Jura
10. Mirajane

Spirigan 12:

1. August
2. Irene
3. Dimaria (Age Seal)
4. Brandish (Can shrink the below Spirigan before they can use their magic)
5. Bradman (Macro)
6. Jacob (Transport and invisibility)
7. God Serena
8. Wahl
9. Invel
10. Azir
11. Neinhart
 

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Gray didn't beat Invel with his bare fists, if you go back and actually read the damn chapter Gray used a DeS attack to take him out. Not to mention the fact that Gray had the advantage over Invel by being able to mold his ice while Natsu had to hold back tremendously against Jacob.
Were you abused as a child? You seem to be angered by little things.

He wasn't holding back until someone said to stop damaging the guild. Natsu got one named attack on Jacob which I remind you is pretty weak.
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My ranking of Ishgar Mage:

1. Natsu
2. Gildarts
3. Laxus
4. Jellal
5. Makarov
6. Erza
7. Gray
8. Gajeel
9. Jura
10. Mirajane

Spirigan 12:

1. August
2. Irene
3. Dimaria (Age Seal)
4. Brandish (Can shrink the below Spirigan before they can use their magic)
5. Bradman (Macro)
6. Jacob (Transport and invisibility)
7. God Serena
8. Wahl
9. Invel
10. Azir
11. Neinhart
How is Natsu stronger than Laxus, Gildarts, and Jellal?

Don't tell me it's fdkm. Sorry, but that doesn't make Natsu have even a slightest chance of winning against those 3. I don't need to explain why Gildarts but I will for the other two.

Natsu was pushed back by the mere force of Ajeels body gaurd when he screamed. Laxus wouldn't have even flinched. By the swipe of a hand he can send lightning that creates a nuclear explosion. It could kill Ajeel if you didn't know.

Jellal has meteor which outclasses Natsu ability to react so he's basically getting blitzed in that fight. He has shown durability feats to withstand high temperatures so I doubt FDKM's heat would really affect him.
 

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Were you abused as a child? You seem to be angered by little things.

He wasn't holding back until someone said to stop damaging the guild. Natsu got one named attack on Jacob which I remind you is pretty weak.
What irritates me (which is far from being angered) is your willingness to insult people worse than Woodenstool ever did for having differing opinions, and yet your own arguments are so weak that they don't even contain accurate information from the manga. It was NATSU who told Jacob to stop wrecking the guild, it was NATSU who told Makarov to stop wrecking the guild as well, and it was NATSU who was said to have not been going all out until Makarov threw him out of the building. Why do you think he waited to go FDKM until he was outside the guild?
 

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This is something I've been meaning to mention, Bradman was either influenced by PIS/CIS (didn't use his best curses) or he started off casually. My argument for the latter is:
As you can see, Bradman hasn't fought properly in a while and outright states that he'll be fighting to his heart's content. THIS is why he didn't start of with his best curses, it was only towards the middle-end of the fight when he began using his best curse (Over Skelter), at which point Gajeel ate the MBP's. Had the battle gone on normally, Bradman would have killed him as Gajeel wouldn't have eaten the MBP's. And Gajeel was clearly at deaths door just before he ate the MBP's, Bradman sent a thorn through him easily.

Had Gajeel camped in the shadows he would have been an idiot, as we've seen Shadows can hit Bradman. Even then, why would he choose to sit in the shadows when Levy is in the vicinity and Bradman is killing those around him via the First Seal?

Over Skelter is technically his strongest curse but, as I mentioned earlier, it isn't anything like a nuke, more than anything it's a trap. The "whirlpool" of skulls is so that the opponent can't escape it whilst they're being drained of life via the skulls and MBP's. Basically it damages over time, if the person (however unlikely) can escape early on like Gajeel then it's no surprise that they won't be affected too badly.

As for JBI/DF Gajeel, yes Bradman couldn't react but in the end Bradman can stalemate that by using his suicide attack. Besides, JBI/DF was a massive (arguably plot induced) power up, he went from being massacred by Bradman to outright blitzing him. But this doesn't matter as he can still stalemate via his suicide attack.

Being honest I only see one reason why DF Gajeel beat Bradman: speed. We know that Dragon Force amps a characters physical stats like crazy, had DF Gajeel gone a bit slower then I'm of the opinion that Bradman could still have won. Had a mage on the power level of DF Gajeel been up against Bradman then I think the fight would be an extreme-diff fight as it isn't the power that did Bradman in, it was the sheer speed of the attacks.

Keyes vs Juvia isn't the best example, Juvia had to get inside Keyes and destroy him from the inside, the rest of the time Keyes was easily avoiding her attacks. Nothing is stopping Bradman from just doing what Keyes did or Absorbing the souls of spells.

I disagree on God Serena's attacks being weaker than Gajeel, Gildarts hinted that Goddy would have given him a high-extreme diff fight and given that Gildarts can crash spells fairly easily, his attack power must have been high.

The same Levy who had a mask on during the fight? And even then succumbed to the MBP's shortly after? Levy only lasted that long because the MBP's didn't enter her lungs, had they got to any vital organs she would have been dead before the fight ended.

The problem with people making a mask is that Bradman would likely just attack them as they try to make one, Levy entered the fight with the mask on, if someone tries to put one on mid-battle then Bradman is going to attack them. Unless they have speed that's equal to DF Gajeel, they're getting killed for having no Iron Lungs.

That's assuming the person is as fast as DF Gajeel, if they can't match the speed and eliminate Bradman quickly then he'll start using his haxier curses like Sensation and Enhancement whilst mitigating some damage via Absorption and MBP body. Beating Bradman is all about speed IMO, you can have great power but the second his hax starts getting spammed (especially his most hax curses) you're basically finished. This is obviously excluding people who would one-shot him like August and Irene.

In a battle though, a passive means of killing can be more deadly then a stronger attack as it allows you to attack as the passive killer is doing it's job. It would be a bit like having a gun fight in air polluted with nerve gas whilst not wearing a gas mask.
I have no problem if you say Bloodman is stronger than base Gajeel, but I still don't buy that Bloodman is stronger than black iron mode. I don't even rank them on the same level as black iron Gajeel in terms of fighting ability. Even if Bloodman was holding back on using his best curses in the beggining of the match, by the time Gajeel entered black iron mode he was simply outclassed. And yes, speed is one thing. However, Gajeel killed him with a couple of punches. No more than 9/10 on screen. Sure Bloodman would be able to keep up with a slower opponent, but if you believe that someone like Laxus has stronger attacks than Gajeel, then they would be able to do it in less. I see Bloodman's durability being no more or less impressive than any other Spriggans once you have a type of magic that can actually harm him.

Over Skelter should be the stronger spell regardless. Technically the only proper nuke that Bloodman has would be Jackal's explosion curse. His most powerful attacks should be either Mard Geer's thorns or Silver's ice devil slaying attacks. Also, again, I believe that hax-ness only works up towards a certain power level. For something like Macro, I believe the limits stop at around Juliet and Heine's level (otherwise Mirajane wouldn't had to have resorted to exhausting herself with Alegria). Black Iron Gajeel is way above that level. Not to mention most people whom I would put around black iron Gajeel's level (Natsu, Laxus, Gildarts, and Gray) all either have decent speed feats or massive nukes, or both. Most other Spriggans also all have rather hax abilities.

I'm not accounting for Gajeel worrying about Levy's life in this scenario, and so Gajeel hiding in a random shadow is simply a way to hide from Bloodman after he's destroyed the body so that Bloodman can't suck him in. Gajeel can literally hide in any shadow. All he has to do is stay inconspicuous. Also, on the subject of Levy. When I say make a mask, I basically mean wrapping a piece of cloth around your face the same way you would make one in a burning house to filter out the smoke. It doesn't have to last forever, just long enough to take out Bloodman.
 
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What irritates me (which is far from being angered) is your willingness to insult people worse than Woodenstool ever did for having differing opinions, and yet your own arguments are so weak that they don't even contain accurate information from the manga. It was NATSU who told Jacob to stop wrecking the guild, it was NATSU who told Makarov to stop wrecking the guild as well, and it was NATSU who was said to have not been going all out until Makarov threw him out of the building. Why do you think he waited to go FDKM until he was outside the guild?
Natsu didn't say if he hadn't gone all out, it was those fodder characters who control the radar.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/478/7

I mean I kinda read the chapter and Natsu didn't say that. It was the people trapped in transport.

Natsu was going in but getting his ass kicked. Then they said to stop breaking the guild and he got one named attack with Lucy. Only then did he use FDKM mode. So he wasn't holding back "tremendously".

And I really don't care about how other users compare to myself.
 

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Natsu didn't say if he hadn't gone all out, it was those fodder characters who control the radar.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/478/7

I mean I kinda read the chapter and Natsu didn't say that. It was the people trapped in transport.

Natsu was going in but getting his ass kicked. Then they said to stop breaking the guild and he got one named attack with Lucy. Only then did he use FDKM mode. So he wasn't holding back "tremendously".

And I really don't care about how other users compare to myself.
Are you serious? No, of course the statement came from Natsu. Why on earth would the people stuck in transport still have the ability to be heard? How it make any sense whatsoever that the prisoners would tell Natsu, the only person preventing Jacob from killing the entire guild, taking Fairy Heart, and winning the war for Zeref, to not go all out just for the sake of preserving a building? Not to mention the fact that Natsu didn't even do anything to damage the guild, it was JACOB'S attack that broke the floor. Now you're just grasping at straws.
 

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Are you serious? No, of course the statement came from Natsu. Why on earth would the people stuck in transport still have the ability to be heard? How it make any sense whatsoever that the prisoners would tell Natsu, the only person preventing Jacob from killing the entire guild, taking Fairy Heart, and winning the war for Zeref, to not go all out just for the sake of preserving a building? Not to mention the fact that Natsu didn't even do anything to damage the guild, it was JACOB'S attack that broke the floor. Now you're just grasping at straws.
How long have you been reading manga?

When they have a spiky bubble it's not coming from that character. That's why he had that angered face when they told him not to break the guild. The next panel showed a bubble with the tip near his character.

Don't ask me stupid questions.
 

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How long have you been reading manga?

When they have a spiky bubble it's not coming from that character. That's why he had that angered face when they told him not to break the guild. The next panel showed a bubble with the tip near his character.

Don't ask me stupid questions.
You can't be serious. Different shaped bubbles are meant to show different emotions or to place varying degrees of emphasis on the dialogue. And you've failed to address even a single point that I brought up.
 

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How long have you been reading manga?

When they have a spiky bubble it's not coming from that character. That's why he had that angered face when they told him not to break the guild. The next panel showed a bubble with the tip near his character.

Don't ask me stupid questions.
By that logic, it's also impossible for Natsu to be the one that went "GUHAH".

It's also easier for me to accept that a spikey speech bubble came from Natsu than to believe that characters who are stuck inside another dimension somehow managed to shout at Natsu.
 

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The point of this thread.

1. Acnologia
2. Zeref
3. Dimaria
4. Gildarts
5. Laxus
6. August
7. Irene
8. Jellal
9. Erza
10. Gray
 

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The point of this thread.

1. Acnologia
2. Zeref
3. Dimaria
4. Gildarts
5. Laxus
6. August
7. Irene
8. Jellal
9. Erza
10. Gray
Real smooth way to pretend your entire baseless argument didn't just crumble :cheez
Are you really putting DiMaria is 3rd? Why?
WAIT
And Laxus above August and Irene? :notamused
 
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Gray and Natsu are equal. FDKM is on par with Grays Ice Devil mode. Gray beat Invel with bare fist while Natsu had to use Fire dragon kings crumbling fist to take out Jacob.

Which took more magic power? Certainly wasn't Gray...
Gray and Natsu are not equal, I will stand by that. Flame Dragon King Mode is portrayed to be stronger than Gray's Ice Devil Slaying magic, plus at the end of the day it is just slayer magic for Gray, not an actual mode. If we're poking holes in the fights, lets remember that those punches from Gray were boosted by the Power of Friendship, so unless Gray constantly has that going for him then he definitely isn't on Natsu's level.

As for Natsu using FDKM to take out Jacob, yes he used a mode. Him using more power to with the demolition fist doesn't mean that he had a tougher time to defeat Jacob than what Gray did to defeat Invel. As far as I see it, Gray only beat Invel thanks to PoF, whereas Natsu legitimately pushed past a Spriggan with his power, even if it was with a single hit in one of his stronger modes. Plus, Natsu has feats for him taking out Neinhart in base and taking out Dimaria as well. From that he is certainly above Gray.
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The point of this thread.

1. Acnologia
2. Zeref
3. Dimaria
4. Gildarts
5. Laxus
6. August
7. Irene
8. Jellal
9. Erza
10. Gray
Now, I have to disagree with your list. Dimaria, Gildarts and Laxus above August and Irene? No. And, no Natsu on the list as well? Going off of feats and what we've seen so far plus a little sprinkle of hype, if I had to possibly do a combined top 10, it might look like this:

1. Acnologia
2. Zeref
3. August
4. Irene
5. Larcade
6. Natsu
7. Laxus
8. Gildarts
9. Jellal
10. God Serena
 

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Gray and Natsu are not equal, I will stand by that. Flame Dragon King Mode is portrayed to be stronger than Gray's Ice Devil Slaying magic, plus at the end of the day it is just slayer magic for Gray, not an actual mode. If we're poking holes in the fights, lets remember that those punches from Gray were boosted by the Power of Friendship, so unless Gray constantly has that going for him then he definitely isn't on Natsu's level.

As for Natsu using FDKM to take out Jacob, yes he used a mode. Him using more power to with the demolition fist doesn't mean that he had a tougher time to defeat Jacob than what Gray did to defeat Invel. As far as I see it, Gray only beat Invel thanks to PoF, whereas Natsu legitimately pushed past a Spriggan with his power, even if it was with a single hit in one of his stronger modes. Plus, Natsu has feats for him taking out Neinhart in base and taking out Dimaria as well. From that he is certainly above Gray.
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Now, I have to disagree with your list. Dimaria, Gildarts and Laxus above August and Irene? No. And, no Natsu on the list as well? Going off of feats and what we've seen so far plus a little sprinkle of hype, if I had to possibly do a combined top 10, it might look like this:

1. Acnologia
2. Zeref
3. August
4. Irene
5. Larcade
6. Natsu
7. Laxus
8. Gildarts
9. Jellal
10. God Serena
Dimaria can stop time.
Gildarts has crash.
Laxus has lightning bolts.
Erza is faster.
Gray is faster and best counter to Natsu' abilities.

Fire kings mode means nothing if you can't hit your opponents because you're too slow. Hype is nothing in power scaling, Larcade is nothing but fodder until proven otherwise.

Natsu is weak, his normal punches barley phase Ajeels troops. Gildarts blows holes in mountains without even hitting the mountain itself.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/299/13

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/299/14

Gildarts stomps.
 

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Dimaria can stop time.
Gildarts has crash.
Laxus has lightning bolts.
Erza is faster.
Gray is faster and best counter to Natsu' abilities.

Fire kings mode means nothing if you can't hit your opponents because you're too slow. Hype is nothing in power scaling, Larcade is nothing but fodder until proven otherwise.

Natsu is weak, his normal punches barley phase Ajeels troops. Gildarts blows holes in mountains without even hitting the mountain itself.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/299/13

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/299/14

Gildarts stomps.
Is that you Stool? o0
Natsu is the Mc, and so he has Plotsu. In case Fairy Tail is the only Shounen manga you've ever read, Plotsu is the most powerful force in any universe, and so Natsu, having oodles of Plot Armour and Plotsu itself on his side, he's always going to end up as the most powerful, or close to it
Oh and Natsu did sort of just break free of Age Seal, and rather easily from what we've seen.And don't give me the "That wasn't Natsu it was END" excuse because this is only a partially demonized form. Natsu still has a faint slither of rationality left
 

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Dimaria can stop time.
So?
Gildarts has crash.
So?

Laxus has lightning bolts.
So?

Erza is faster.
Proof?

Gray is faster and best counter to Natsu' abilities.
Proof?

Fire kings mode means nothing if you can't hit your opponents because you're too slow. Hype is nothing in power scaling, Larcade is nothing but fodder until proven otherwise.
Why is Natsu slow?

Natsu is weak, his normal punches barley phase Ajeels troops. Gildarts blows holes in mountains without even hitting the mountain itself.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/299/13

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/299/14
Again, plain ignorance of the manga. Natsu was holding back against Ajeel's lackey because he was trying to save his energy. If you bother to read that section again you'll see that later Natsu punches him into the sky and through a fucking ship.

Gildarts stomps.
Hilarious. And I guess the bruises and damage on Gildarts' face after fighting fodder in the latest chapter are just for aesthetic appeal?
 

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Is that you Stool? o0
Natsu is the Mc, and so he has Plotsu. In case Fairy Tail is the only Shounen manga you've ever read, Plotsu is the most powerful force in any universe, and so Natsu, having oodles of Plot Armour and Plotsu itself on his side, he's always going to end up as the most powerful, or close to it
Oh and Natsu did sort of just break free of Age Seal, and rather easily from what we've seen.And don't give me the "That wasn't Natsu it was END" excuse because this is only a partially demonized form. Natsu still has a faint slither of rationality left
Is that your best? "Plotsu"?

Dimaria said the only one to walk in her time is E.N.D. Don't pull that on me OP. In a real fight, Natsu would lose in a fight to Dimaria. If he was unaffected, she still has her demon form and if we think logically Natsu has no chance of winning.
 

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Gray and Natsu are not equal, I will stand by that. Flame Dragon King Mode is portrayed to be stronger than Gray's Ice Devil Slaying magic, plus at the end of the day it is just slayer magic for Gray, not an actual mode. If we're poking holes in the fights, lets remember that those punches from Gray were boosted by the Power of Friendship, so unless Gray constantly has that going for him then he definitely isn't on Natsu's level.

As for Natsu using FDKM to take out Jacob, yes he used a mode. Him using more power to with the demolition fist doesn't mean that he had a tougher time to defeat Jacob than what Gray did to defeat Invel. As far as I see it, Gray only beat Invel thanks to PoF, whereas Natsu legitimately pushed past a Spriggan with his power, even if it was with a single hit in one of his stronger modes. Plus, Natsu has feats for him taking out Neinhart in base and taking out Dimaria as well. From that he is certainly above Gray.
Fire Dragon King Mode was never portrayed to be stronger than Gray's Ice Devil Slaying Magic... In fact, neither are even related as far the manga is concerned. I don't know where you got that information from.

Based on what we've seen, it is fair to say that DeS Gray is at least on par with FDKM Natsu. Last chapter, we saw Gray block/tank an attack from E.N.D. He even went as far as to land a few hits on him. I don't care to argue whether this was the full extent of E.N.D's power or not but what I can tell you is that E.N.D > FDKM. It doesn't matter which stage E.N.D is in right now, it is still better than anything we've seen from FDKM Natsu.

Calling Gray's victory against Invel, PoF, is heavily biased. If anything, Natsu destroying Neinhart and saying that they will do whatever it takes to get back to the guild has more to do with Nakama. Also, the fact that Natsu used FDKM against Jacob means that Natsu felt it was necessary in order to beat him.
 

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Is that your best? "Plotsu"?

Dimaria said the only one to walk in her time is E.N.D. Don't pull that on me OP. In a real fight, Natsu would lose in a fight to Dimaria. If he was unaffected, she still has her demon form and if we think logically Natsu has no chance of winning.
But that's the point. Fairy Tail is not a logical manga. It's a fantasy Shounen and Natsu is the main character. I don't need a better argument because it's true. Hiro will never allow him to lose to DiMaria because he has bigger fish to fry. Natsu has surpassed many of the characters on that list of yours (sometimes more than once). I don't really understand where your argument is coming from. Do you think that Fairy Tail is such a linear storyline that the characters never improve, forever being unable to surpass those of greater ability?
 
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