Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Woodenstool]

I don't know what prompted Invel to use his trump card and I'm not going to speculate. It could be because he was pressured by the fact that Gray was getting serious or maybe he wanted to end the fight as quickly as possible.

Nonetheless, Ice Devil Zeroth's: Longsword is still did more damage than Base Punches...



Gray's DeS spell was stronger than his punches. I don't get why it's not reasonable for Invel to get thrown into a wall by a basic punch. That is what force does...

Invel didn't take the DeS spell like it was nothing and he even expressed the damage taken by screaming. Besides, Ice Devil Zeroth's: Longsword isn't purely a physical attack. It cuts, not pushes. I bet you Ajeel would fly farther away if Erza punched him rather than sliced him.



The point of Makarov throwing Jacob outside the guild hall was so that he wouldn't become a threat anymore. So Natsu has no excuses there. All he had to do was defeat Jacob in Base Form. Makarov already took care of the "threat" issue.

You're missing the point. Natsu also one-shotted Enhanced Neinhart in Base Mode. So why couldn't he do the same with Jacob who should be comparable to the likes of Neinhart.



Exactly. I'm telling you that you can use the word "angry" or "frustration" and it still wouldn't change my original point.



Not really... It's pretty much the same considering Natsu did it both times for the sake of the guild.



The flames were only visible when Natsu was undergoing the transformation to E.N.D. I honestly don't know what this has to do with the discussion though. By the way, who thought of the idea that Natsu was going easy on Gray because the flames disappeared? That is ridiculous.

I can say the same for Gray.

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You can see some form of ice vapor or magic power emitting from his hands but they soon disappeared in the next panel. So I guess he went easy on Natsu, right...?



Because he was still undergoing the transformation...



Okay... Well half the time that Jacob got hits on Natsu and Lucy was when he made himself fade. So I can say that he is quite average at CQC.



His attack power is nothing impressive as he couldn't even inflict major damage on anyone. His defense was poor considering he was one-shotted. And his magic power is average. Everything other stat was below average.



Still... the more MP a character has, the stronger they are physically and magically. That much should be obvious. In fact, that is the exact reason why the Spriggans are considered Fairy Tail's most formidable opponents.

Wrong, August who makes Natsu shake was stabbed with a regular knife.

August is worst than Neinhart. Magic power determines nothing in durability and endurance. Give Lucy the power of Igneel and she'll be tired after one attack.

 

[Brandish μ]

Gray got consumed by darkness because of the magic he uses. Invel never intended to create an emotional situation.

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Invel created a situation (Ice Lock) where Gray would kill Juvia, leaving him guilty enough that his heart would be totally consumed by darkness. No matter how you look at it... negative emotions created darkness. DeS magic drives one insane and does speed up the process here (due to Gray learning DeS too quickly) but this doesn't change the fact that in order for Gray's darkness to awaken in full, there needed to be an emotional trigger at the level of Juvia committing suicide for Gray. I could argue that DeS magic influences emotions... well you only need to look at the recent chapter for that. For now I can't separate darkness from negative emotions, they seem hand-in-hand like positive feeling and PoF.

I agree that Gray being taken over by darkness is a power-up. But I disagree that it is as much of an emotional power as PoF. If anger is nakama power, then almost every fight in Fairy Tail resulted in the use of PoF. I don't mind saying Gray received a power-up, but it wasn't Power of Friendship.

I don't necessarily believe that darkness and PoF follow the same mechanics. Tbh I expect darkness to be more of a permanent power than PoF, though I also expect power from darkness to be enhanced by negative emotions. All I'm saying on this subject is largely speculation.

 

[Woodenstool]

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Invel created a situation (Ice Lock) where Gray would kill Juvia, leaving him guilty enough that his heart would be totally consumed by darkness. No matter how you look at it... negative emotions created darkness. DeS magic drives one insane and does speed up the process here (due to Gray learning DeS too quickly) but this doesn't change the fact that in order for Gray's darkness to awaken in full, there needed to be an emotional trigger at the level of Juvia committing suicide for Gray. I could argue that DeS magic influences emotions... well you only need to look at the recent chapter for that. For now I can't separate darkness from negative emotions, they seem hand-in-hand like positive feeling and PoF.



I don't necessarily believe that darkness and PoF follow the same mechanics. Tbh I expect darkness to be more of a permanent power than PoF, though I also expect power from darkness to be enhanced by negative emotions. All I'm saying on this subject is largely speculation.

Power of friendship is completely different than what Gray has. Invel said he would get a power up once he kills someone. But did he kill someone? Nope.

So it was a power up. End of story.

 

[Brandish μ]

Power of friendship is completely different than what Gray has. Invel said he would get a power up once he kills someone. But did he kill someone? Nope.

So it was a bullshit power up. End of story.

Juvia committing suicide for Gray would have similar emotional impact on Gray. Suicide was not planned by Invel... but the result is what he intended (a power up).

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I'm saying darkness is an emotionally driven power up. I'm not saying it works just like PoF, just saying it comes from emotions.

 

[Woodenstool]

Juvia committing suicide for Gray would have similar emotional impact on Gray. Suicide was not planned by Invel... but the result is what he intended (a power up).

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I'm saying darkness is an emotionally driven power up. I'm not saying it works just like PoF, just saying it comes from emotions.

Wtf?
The power of friendship is emotions.
"The flames of emotions" BS.

Invel said he needed to kill someone to unleash the darkness. So if you think about it Gray was stronger than Natsu and now equals with the END thing.

 

[Brandish μ]

Wtf?
The power of friendship is emotions.
"The flames of emotions" BS.

Invel said he needed to kill someone to unleash the darkness. So if you think about it Gray was stronger than Natsu and now equals with the END thing.

PoF comes from the positive emotions towards comrades. Friendship, bonds, all that good stuff.

Darkness is a state of one's heart, which has been shown to be brought out by negative emotions, the bad stuff. The killing of a comrade is sought out by Invel so Gray could feel great emotional impact... that's the only way I can explain this in total.

Base Gray with darkness is about the same as base Natsu.
Demonised Gray with darkness is about the same as the END thing we saw this chapter.

 

[Woodenstool]

PoF comes from the positive emotions towards comrades. Friendship, bonds, all that good stuff.

Darkness is a state of one's heart, which has been shown to be brought out by negative emotions, the bad stuff. The killing of a comrade is sought out by Invel so Gray could feel great emotional impact... that's the only way I can explain this in total.

Base Gray with darkness is about the same as base Natsu.
Demonised Gray with darkness is about the same as the END thing we saw this chapter.

No, you are incorrect. Gray hasn't unlocked the darkness. He saw Juvia die which is exactly the same has seeing them get hurt just on a greater scale.

Once he kills Natsu, he'll be able to kill Zeref with his "darkness" power up.

Bullsh*t isn't bad, btw.

 

[Brandish μ]

No, you are incorrect. Gray hasn't unlocked the darkness. He saw Juvia die which is exactly the same has seeing them get hurt just on a greater scale.

Once he kills Natsu, he'll be able to kill Zeref with his "darkness" power up.

Bullsh*t isn't bad, btw.

If I am incorrect, and Gray hasn't awakened darkness but is just bloodlusted, then I've underestimated Gray all along. Then against Invel he wasn't serious at the start (despite using a mode), and his stupidity for not trying nearly killed Juvia. But I don't think this is the case though...

Gray's potential to kill Zeref is zero atm.

 

[Woodenstool]

If I am incorrect, and Gray hasn't awakened darkness but is just bloodlusted, then I've underestimated Gray all along. Then against Invel he wasn't serious at the start (despite using a mode), and his stupidity for not trying nearly killed Juvia. But I don't think this is the case though...

Gray's potential to kill Zeref is zero atm.

Think about it.

If I slept with your boyfriend, you would be pissed and sent into an extreme rage.

(Assuming you're a female, sorry if that's not the case. You have the name Brandish)

 

[M3J]

Think about it.

If I slept with your boyfriend, you would be pissed and sent into an extreme rage.

(Assuming you're a female, sorry if that's not the case. You have the name Brandish)

Gender says male, but we've all suspected he's a catfish. Whatever.

Anyway, August being stabbed through doesn't mean much when he's still alive and wrecking people. August may not have invulnerability, but I doubt anyone else could take that kind of a stab and unleash tremendous power so soon, and then move on to another area. As it stands, it's quite likely he and Irene could be above Zeref, if not equal, in terms of power, even if they are unable to kill him.

 

[Woodenstool]

Gender says male, but we've all suspected he's a catfish. Whatever.

Anyway, August being stabbed through doesn't mean much when he's still alive and wrecking people. August may not have invulnerability, but I doubt anyone else could take that kind of a stab and unleash tremendous power so soon, and then move on to another area. As it stands, it's quite likely he and Irene could be above Zeref, if not equal, in terms of power, even if they are unable to kill him.

Natsu iron fist would blow 60% of his body, that's how low his durability is.

Cmon, a knife! A FREAKING KNIFE!? August is a joke.

*I text on my phone so I can't tell*

 

[Kiki]

Wrong, August who makes Natsu shake was stabbed with a regular knife.

August is worst than Neinhart. Magic power determines nothing in durability and endurance. Give Lucy the power of Igneel and she'll be tired after one attack.

August was clearly still conscious and even proceeded to drop a nuke on Natsu and co, while Neinhart was unconscious after one punch from Natsu and one spell from Jellal.

So I disagree with you on August being worse than Neinhart. I don't get why you keep saying knife, knife, and knife

 

[Woodenstool]

August was clearly still conscious and even proceeded to drop a nuke on Natsu and co, while Neinhart was unconscious after one punch from Natsu and one spell from Jellal.

So I disagree with you on August being worse than Neinhart. I don't get why you keep saying kinfe, kinfe, and knife

Well August didn't didn't punched by Natsu yet didn't he?

It's a knife, you think people can hide sword in their jacket?

 

[Arjuna]

August is the strongest Spriggan no doubt.Multiple characters who encountered him noticed that his MP is anything unlike which they have ever noticed.Even Irene's whose MP is viewed with horror in chap 504 by nearly everyone in Fairytail by saying they have never witnessed such a powerful mage(CR translation) is cowered by August.

 

[Kiki]

Well August didn't didn't punched by Natsu yet didn't he?

It's a knife, you think people can hide sword in their jacket?

What's with a knife? Can you elaborate on it please? Because I don't get the correlation between a knife and August's durability. I am saying this because I clearly saw August was fine. Any mage's body will be perforated if a knife pierces through it. Even Gray and Juvia were still alive after they stabbed their own body.

 

[Woodenstool]

What's with a knife? Can you elaborate on it please? Because I don't get the correlation between a knife and August's durability. I am saying this because I clearly saw August was fine. Any mage's body will be perforated if a knife pierces through it. Even Gray and Juvia were still alive after they stabbed their own body.

Did you really just say anyone can be pierced with a knife? What!?

Acnologias skin is too tough
Gildarts is cloaked in crash
Natsu, and DS have dragon skin

If you threw a knife at the wall, it would bounce off it stick depending the speed. If you used Natsu' fire fist against the wall it would destroy it.

If August was sliced like tofu with a knife, what's going to happen if Erza, Natsu, oreven Lucy come to contact Into contact with their attacks?
decapitation. Loki kick>Knife

 

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Did you really just say anyone can be pierced with a knife? What!?

Acnologias skin is too tough
Gildarts is cloaked in crash
Natsu, and DS have dragon skin

If you threw a knife at the wall, it would bounce off it stick depending the speed. If you used Natsu' fire fist against the wall it would destroy it.

If August was sliced like tofu with a knife, what's going to happen if Erza, Natsu, oreven Lucy come to contact Into contact with their attacks?
decapitation. Loki kick>Knife

I guess this means that even Gray will get knocked out by Loki kick because he was stabbed by a knife/sword right?

 

[Kiki]

Gildarts is cloaked in crash

Really? Gildarts can do that? Since when? Can you provide the panel/page please? I wonder where he got those scratches from.

Neinhart's body will be perforated if a knife pierces through it. So no, August is not worse than Neinhart.

 

[Woodenstool]

Really? Gildarts can do that? Since when? Can you provide the panel/page please? I wonder where he got those scratches from.

Neinhart's body will be perforated if a knife pierces through it. So no, August is not worse than Neinhart.

He walks near a walk and it breaks. It almost seems like he has aura of crash.

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Really? Gildarts can do that? Since when? Can you provide the panel/page please? I wonder where he got those scratches from.

Neinhart's body will be perforated if a knife pierces through it. So no, August is not worse than Neinhart.

Neinharts body parts remained intact when Jellal attacked and when Natsu punched him.

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I guess this means that even Gray will get knocked out by Loki kick because he was stabbed by a knife/sword right?

It's his own ability so no.

 

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He walks near a walk and it breaks. It almost seems like he has aura of crash.

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Neinharts body parts remained intact when Jellal attacked and when Natsu punched him.

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It's his own ability so no.

facepalm

I can show you another proof that swords/knives are lethal in FT verse.

Remember the fight between Kagura, Erza and Minerva? How Minerva used a large blast called Yagdo Rigora yet it barely did anything to Kagura or Erza yet Kagura was fatally wounded by Minerva stabbing her from the back with a sword.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/315/19