Igneel is the strongest naturally occurring dragon. He's the only dragon with the title of a dragon king other than Acnologia himself. None of the other parent dragons had this distinction. There might have been other dragon kings 400 years ago, or even more that lived before Igneel's time (Zirconis referred to Igneel as "young" during the beginning of the dragon civil war). These may have been on Igneel's level, or stronger. However, none of these are known to the series.
It wasn't that Acnologia wasn't serious. It was that Igneel was starting to weaken. It was probably due to the lack of a soul, as he still had plenty of magical power (enough to allow Natsu to fight Zeref) left over.
I don't think the blast is as fast as Acnos speed blitz, that said, I don't think Acno can speed blitz Irene like he did Serena. And people really gotta stop bringing up August cause neither he nor Jacob were battle ready. The fact that one wasn't in his "god state" and the other had his hands in his pockets is proof of that. Acno could undoubtably blitz Jacob, but I doubt he could blitz August, whom is extremely fast himself.
Laxus is also a speedster, I doubt he could get blitzed. I think I noticed an implication that Erza is faster then Laxus, which is borderline wrong.
I think Acnologia can blitz Irene and August both. Even if he wasn't overwhelmingly faster than those two, he's still faster. Also, as far as I'm concerned, dodging is the only option when it comes to Acnologia's physical attacks. If Irene or August tried to block an attack with an arm or something, I can see Acnologia just ripping the arm off.
My question was what kind of nuke acno will have to do to make you think this nuke is faster than serena blitz or just the nuke he used on irene. What would be your requirement for faster nuke from acnologia
I don't think Acnologia's nukes are particularly fast to begin with. Acnologia's most powerful nuke would have to be his roar in his dragon form, and that wasn't particularly fast. Everyone recognized he was about to use it on Tenrou, Igneel was able to intercept it when he tried to use it in Tartarus, and dodged one later during their battle. I don't see why every one of Acnologia's attacks has to be fast.
I don't think Acnologia's nukes are particularly fast to begin with. Acnologia's most powerful nuke would have to be his roar in his dragon form, and that wasn't particularly fast. Everyone recognized he was about to use it on Tenrou, Igneel was able to intercept it when he tried to use it in Tartarus, and dodged one later during their battle. I don't see why every one of Acnologia's attacks has to be fast.
Because it wont make logical sense.
If you can move so much faster than your nukes. Then nukes will be kind of useless other than possible aoe advantage.
Anyone who has as much speed as you, nuke will be useless against that guy. Because he can even react to your blitz, nukes will never hit him
On Tenrou he had 3 Dragon Slayers within his reach, yet he still wasted time with Makarov, reason is probably just entertainment, Gildarts even recognized that Acno wasnt using the level of power on Tenrou that he was when he fought him solo, Acno is probably a lot more deadly when he is serious like with Serena, than when he is entertained like with Eileen.
And thats also contradictory
One of first things we knew about acno, is that he doesnt talk to human, because he thinks of them as insects.
He completely ignored serena talking to him and causally walked through him.
Irene talking to him distracted him from his hunt of three ds.
His expression during the nuke was also like as if he was fired up
Add the fact there is a huge gap between irene and serena
So why would he talk to irene yet completely ignore serena and yet still be more serious with him
Because it wont make logical sense.
If you can move so much faster than your nukes. Then nukes will be kind of useless other than possible aoe advantage.
Anyone who has as much speed as you, nuke will be useless against that guy. Because he can even react to your blitz, nukes will never hit him
Nukes wouldn't be useless just because you can move faster than them. Acnologia isn't the only case here. There are plenty of characters who can move faster than their nuke attacks. DF Wendy and Natsu both have physical attacks faster than their roars. Jellal can move faster than he can cast Sema or Grand Chariot. Laxus can move faster than he can cast Fairy Law.
Any attack with the potential to do more damage is useful in a fight. You can always tire your opponent out before going for a big nuke, or simply catch them off guard. Just because a nuke isn't blindingly fast, doesn't mean its slow. Acnologia's roar or explosions shouldn't be slower than anyone else's. They shouldn't be much faster either.
The AoE advantage is also a huge factor. Any nuke that is larger than a building is going to be hard to dodge regardless of movement speed just because of the sheer scope of the attack. Take August's melt nuke. There's no "dodging" something like that.
Reaction speed usually goes hand-in-hand with physical speed, unless there are specific feats that dictate otherwise.
Reacting to Racer is one thing, blitzing him is another. Jellal could react to and dodge Racer in base just fine (Tartarus arc) but he needed meteor to actually blitz him. August both reacted and blitzed Racer simultaneously. This was a Post-TS Racer at that, he definitely got stronger (though by how much we will probably never know). Thats one of the better speed feats in the entire series.
dont know maybe
Beside i never saw any huge difference in erza and laxus speed. Whether in base or lightening body or souring armor.
But i compare things by having common character. So i can link them.
Like toh jellal blitzing natsu
Os racer blitzing natsu
So i go like os racer = toh jellal in speed department
But thats just me apparently
As for reacting to racer thing
Erza dodged racer when she wasnt looking at him
Tartarus jellal reacting to both racer and cobra.
I dont know about august blitzing racer
Didnt he do something like what jura and kagura did to laxus and erza respectively
So i dont think he is that fast. Atleast if i dont assume he has already dealt with meteor jellal
Nukes wouldn't be useless just because you can move faster than them. Acnologia isn't the only case here. There are plenty of characters who can move faster than their nuke attacks. DF Wendy and Natsu both have physical attacks faster than their roars. Jellal can move faster than he can cast Sema or Grand Chariot. Laxus can move faster than he can cast Fairy Law.
Any attack with the potential to do more damage is useful in a fight. You can always tire your opponent out before going for a big nuke, or simply catch them off guard. Just because a nuke isn't blindingly fast, doesn't mean its slow. Acnologia's roar or explosions shouldn't be slower than anyone else's. They shouldn't be much faster either.
The AoE advantage is also a huge factor. Any nuke that is larger than a building is going to be hard to dodge regardless of movement speed just because of the sheer scope of the attack. Take August's melt nuke. There's no "dodging" something like that.
But then most of the times nukes wont hit. Thus only useful in specific circumstances
in like most scenarios you only throw or fire a projectile knowing that it would be much faster
But then most of the times nukes wont hit. Thus only useful in specific circumstances
in like most scenarios you only throw or fire a projectile knowing that it would be much faster
Don't see why you would assume it won't hit. Again, any nuke of a decent size is going to be hard to dodge just by the sheer scale and amount of distance required to escape it.
Igneel is the strongest naturally occurring dragon. He's the only dragon with the title of a dragon king other than Acnologia himself. None of the other parent dragons had this distinction. There might have been other dragon kings 400 years ago, or even more that lived before Igneel's time (Zirconis referred to Igneel as "young" during the beginning of the dragon civil war). These may have been on Igneel's level, or stronger. However, none of these are known to the series.
Yeah I agree with this. Igneel is the strongest known pure dragon, though I am sure that there were other dragons back during the war who were strong enough to match Igneel and Acnologia (who at one point were on the same team).
I think Acnologia can blitz Irene and August both. Even if he wasn't overwhelmingly faster than those two, he's still faster. Also, as far as I'm concerned, dodging is the only option when it comes to Acnologia's physical attacks. If Irene or August tried to block an attack with an arm or something, I can see Acnologia just ripping the arm off.
I highly doubt it, he would have done so against Irene. If you are fast enough to not get blitzed that means you could dodge the lethal blows, but these characters use magic regardless. August can casually put up barriers capable of completely no-selling an attack that can potentially one-shot a regular spriggan, for example. I dont think either can even defeat human Acnologia (let alone DF), but I do think that they (especially August) could at least make Acno work for the win.
On a good day Erza is as fast or slightly faster then base Laxus. Lightning coated Laxus is a good deal faster, he blitzed Wahl (a spriggan) numerous times. Ajeel was completely capable of keeping up with Erza and arguably even outpaced her at times. Ajeel and Wahl are likely around the same level of speed.
As for reacting to racer thing
Erza dodged racer when she wasnt looking at him
Tartarus jellal reacting to both racer and cobra.
Racer isn't particularly fast without his magic so Erza NOT looking at him might even be for the best. Racer appears blindingly fast to his opponents because he significantly slows down his opponents perception, if you aren't looking at him, then he's moving at his regular average pace. Yes Jellal reacted to them, but he needed meteor to blitz. August reacted to and blitzed Racer like it was nothing, a Post-TS Racer at that.
Because it wont make logical sense.
If you can move so much faster than your nukes. Then nukes will be kind of useless other than possible aoe advantage.
Anyone who has as much speed as you, nuke will be useless against that guy. Because he can even react to your blitz, nukes will never hit him
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He only started hunting dragon slayers this arc.
And thats also contradictory
One of first things we knew about acno, is that he doesnt talk to human, because he thinks of them as insects.
He completely ignored serena talking to him and causally walked through him.
Irene talking to him distracted him from his hunt of three ds.
His expression during the nuke was also like as if he was fired up
Add the fact there is a huge gap between irene and serena
So why would he talk to irene yet completely ignore serena and yet still be more serious with him
Ever since he got human form hes been talking a lot, in fact when he first encountered God Serena he said "smells like dragon."
He ignored Serena because he didnt want entertainment from him like he did from EIleen, what he wanted from Serena was him dead.
I dont see whats impressive about Acno being distracted by Eileen, the DS werent going anywhere, in fact one of them had just got himself "killed".
Acno really just seemed surprised that someone would be stupid enough to confront him knowing his identity, he had no actual interest in battling her, he seemed doubtful that she could even provide "a moment's entertainment".
As for the speed of the nuke, its definitely far slower than the blitz, it has to be, August, a guy we know is on par with Eileen. couldnt even react to the blitz, even if we assumed that Eileen was the stronger of those two, being able to dodge something August couldnt even react to is pretty much impossible.
Don't see why you would assume it won't hit. Again, any nuke of a decent size is going to be hard to dodge just by the sheer scale and amount of distance required to escape it.
most nukes arent that huge. and many of those which are, reach that huge size after colliding with something.
aconologia roar isnt that huge. but if it comes in contact with something, it blows up islands apparently.
ever played dodge the ball?
ball is always faster even when target manages to evade the ball.
a projectile must cover a distance from source to target.
meanwhile target only has to move couple of feet or couple of meters to dodge it.
so projectile must be atleast as fast as the target, or target must first be incapacitated, or it will just not come in contact.
Ever since he got human form hes been talking a lot, in fact when he first encountered God Serena he said "smells like dragon."
He ignored Serena because he didnt want entertainment from him like he did from EIleen, what he wanted from Serena was him dead.
I dont see whats impressive about Acno being distracted by Eileen, the DS werent going anywhere, in fact one of them had just got himself "killed".
Acno really just seemed surprised that someone would be stupid enough to confront him knowing his identity, he had no actual interest in battling her, he seemed doubtful that she could even provide "a moment's entertainment".
As for the speed of the nuke, its definitely far slower than the blitz, it has to be, August, a guy we know is on par with Eileen. couldnt even react to the blitz, even if we assumed that Eileen was the stronger of those two, being able to dodge something August couldnt even react to is pretty much impossible.
no.
canonically, acnologia has only ever talked to three people in the manga.
Igneel, zeref and irene.
he has talked to no one else, atleast in front of us.
it has already been mentioned why he doesnt talk to people.
the fact he talked to irene, is more hype for irene than august ever had.
if those three ds werent going anywhere, so wasnt serena.
August does not have to have same speed as irene.
infact i will argue that he should have less.
they seems to have equal mp,
and if they have same stats
than august is superior, he knows all magic while irene doesnt know that many
we know he is not superior to irene
so irene must have something to match him
further more, thats base august, with non battle mindset
Yeah I agree with this. Igneel is the strongest known pure dragon, though I am sure that there were other dragons back during the war who were strong enough to match Igneel and Acnologia (who at one point were on the same team).
I highly doubt it, he would have done so against Irene. If you are fast enough to not get blitzed that means you could dodge the lethal blows, but these characters use magic regardless. August can casually put up barriers capable of completely no-selling an attack that can potentially one-shot a regular spriggan, for example. I dont think either can even defeat human Acnologia (let alone DF), but I do think that they (especially August) could at least make Acno work for the win.
On a good day Erza is as fast or slightly faster then base Laxus. Lightning coated Laxus is a good deal faster, he blitzed Wahl (a spriggan) numerous times. Ajeel was completely capable of keeping up with Erza and arguably even outpaced her at times. Ajeel and Wahl are likely around the same level of speed.
Racer isn't particularly fast without his magic so Erza NOT looking at him might even be for the best. Racer appears blindingly fast to his opponents because he significantly slows down his opponents perception, if you aren't looking at him, then he's moving at his regular average pace. Yes Jellal reacted to them, but he needed meteor to blitz. August reacted to and blitzed Racer like it was nothing, a Post-TS Racer at that.
i agree on laxus best day, his lightening body speed might be near erza walking speed. but i dont think he is that fast.
racer magic has nothing to with looking at him, its been already explained in the manga how it works. if you are in his field it works.
so it was for the best for racer that erza wasnt aware of him. other wise he would have been KOed right there.
ajeel speed is not equal to wahl speed.
ajeel actually has been shown to be quick
laxus blitz wahl couple of time, mostly in lb
erza blitz ajeel once or twice in non red fire pants and souring armor.
thats the difference between you and me
i dont accept substandard comparison
for fair comparison
i will always look for
1) did laxus in lb blitz character B
2) did erza in souring armor blitz character B
if one is incorrect, i will have a fair comparison
no.
canonically, acnologia has only ever talked to three people in the manga.
Igneel, zeref and irene.
he has talked to no one else, atleast in front of us.
it has already been mentioned why he doesnt talk to people.
the fact he talked to irene, is more hype for irene than august ever had.
if those three ds werent going anywhere, so wasnt serena.
August does not have to have same speed as irene.
infact i will argue that he should have less.
they seems to have equal mp,
and if they have same stats
than august is superior, he knows all magic while irene doesnt know that many
we know he is not superior to irene
so irene must have something to match him
further more, thats base august, with non battle mindset
No.
Acno talking to Eileen means literally nothing since we know for a fact that the reason he spoke to her was to tell her to buzz off.
Serena was standing in front of him, he wanted Serena dead, so he killed him, its that simple.
August couldnt even react to Acnologia's blitz, even if Eileen is physically superior(unlikely), no way her reaction speed is that much greater than August's, the blitz was simply at an entirely different level of speed.
Eileen's attacking speed is also apparently pretty slow, even a character with only mid tier speed like Erza was able to react to her initial explosion and even worse is that Wendy was able to not only react to it, but jump in front of an Eileen nuke, while August is easily tagging top tier speedsters like Jellal.
No.
Acno talking to Eileen means literally nothing since we know for a fact that the reason he spoke to her was to tell her to buzz off.
Serena was standing in front of him, he wanted Serena dead, so he killed him, its that simple.
August couldnt even react to Acnologia's blitz, even if Eileen is physically superior(unlikely), no way her reaction speed is that much greater than August's, the blitz was simply at an entirely different level of speed.
Eileen's attacking speed is also apparently pretty slow, even a character with only mid tier speed like Erza was able to react to her initial explosion and even worse is that Wendy was able to not only react to it, but jump in front of an Eileen nuke, while August is easily tagging top tier speedsters like Jellal.
Firstly why wouldnt Irene's physical abilities to better than Augusts?Because she's a woman? Unlike August she seems to be in her best years,while he's old and has to use magic to even stand up str8.
August actually copied magic to make himself faster doesn't really count as physical capabilities.
Firstly why wouldnt Irene's physical abilities to better than Augusts?Because she's a woman? Unlike August she seems to be in her best years,while he's old and has to use magic to even stand up str8.
August actually copied magic to make himself faster doesn't really count as physical capabilities.
He never implied Irene was supposed to be slower than August rather than if she was so much faster than her then it wouldn't really make sense as they're supposed to be on par with each other.
Firstly why wouldnt Irene's physical abilities to better than Augusts?Because she's a woman? Unlike August she seems to be in her best years,while he's old and has to use magic to even stand up str8.
August actually copied magic to make himself faster doesn't really count as physical capabilities.
most nukes arent that huge. and many of those which are, reach that huge size after colliding with something.
aconologia roar isnt that huge. but if it comes in contact with something, it blows up islands apparently.
ever played dodge the ball?
ball is always faster even when target manages to evade the ball.
a projectile must cover a distance from source to target.
meanwhile target only has to move couple of feet or couple of meters to dodge it.
so projectile must be atleast as fast as the target, or target must first be incapacitated, or it will just not come in contact.
We're talking about nukes right? By my definition, size is already implied for nukes. Projectile attacks like ice-make: lance or starshot are a different story. I never ranked those as either particularly powerful or fast (not to say they can't be), but rather just attacks used to harass their opponents. Strictly speaking, Acnologia's roar is huge. Remember, a dragon's hand scales to a human sized figure, and his roar scales to be larger than his head. The only reason it seems "small" is because Igneel is also dragon sized, and it should be noted that Igneel did dodge it. Scaled against a human, it would still be a decent way to engulf any opponent.
I don't think dodge-ball is a good analogy here, mainly because we're limited in ways our characters in Fairy Tail are not in terms of physical limitations. The characters in Fairy Tail are likely faster and stronger than any naturally occurring animal on earth. Acnologia specifically has magic that gives him the properties of a dragon.
Acnologia's attack against Irene was not a projection. Also, whilst Acnologia himself is faster than his roar, that doesn't mean all of his intended targets are. As far as I'm concerned, nobody alive is a match for Acnologia's speed at his best. There's probably a good number of opponents who aren't faster than his projectiles as well.
They can, but reaction speed is too important for August to be left in the dust by Eileen, unless his durability is so overwhelmingly superior to the point where he could just tank attacks Eileen would need to dodge.
Anyway, EIleen's dodging of Acno's blast was impressive, but the manga portrayed it as more of a skillful accomplishment, rather than a speed based one, different from how August was portrayed against Racer.
They can, but reaction speed is too important for August to be left in the dust by Eileen, unless his durability is so overwhelmingly superior to the point where he could just tank attacks Eileen would need to dodge.
Anyway, EIleen's dodging of Acno's blast was impressive, but the manga portrayed it as more of a skillful accomplishment, rather than a speed based one, different from how August was portrayed against Racer.
August was shown to be bale to use barrier.Doesn't that count as durability? Besides didn't he use the magic of all CS memebers? I got the imperssion he used Racer's magic,just more powerful.
No.
Acno talking to Eileen means literally nothing since we know for a fact that the reason he spoke to her was to tell her to buzz off.
Serena was standing in front of him, he wanted Serena dead, so he killed him, its that simple.
August couldnt even react to Acnologia's blitz, even if Eileen is physically superior(unlikely), no way her reaction speed is that much greater than August's, the blitz was simply at an entirely different level of speed.
Eileen's attacking speed is also apparently pretty slow, even a character with only mid tier speed like Erza was able to react to her initial explosion and even worse is that Wendy was able to not only react to it, but jump in front of an Eileen nuke, while August is easily tagging top tier speedsters like Jellal.
Erza has mid tier speed?
And jellal has top tier speed?
May I ask why you hate erza? Why do you downgrade erza at all times?
I mean we are talking about erza who hanged with racer and cobra pr ts. While post ts jellal managed racer cobra and angle.
That's a tier difference in speed of post ts jellal compared to pr ts erza.
We are talking about the same erza who moved so fast without SO in gmg that markarov couldn't even see it. Same markarov who blocked the hades formula. The same formula which laxus couldnt dodge.
You upgraded laxus because he faught Jura to juras hype. And now you are downgrading Irene to erza level. Instead of upgrading erza to Irene hype.
I don't think there is any point in Us
Arguing.
I can tell you most probably
Irene will now lose her hype by fighting erza just like end mode natsu and insane ds Grau lost their hype after erza stopped them.
But completely unlike how Jura did not lose his hype even though he could only with stood laxus punches something casual natsu face could tank.
We're talking about nukes right? By my definition, size is already implied for nukes. Projectile attacks like ice-make: lance or starshot are a different story. I never ranked those as either particularly powerful or fast (not to say they can't be), but rather just attacks used to harass their opponents. Strictly speaking, Acnologia's roar is huge. Remember, a dragon's hand scales to a human sized figure, and his roar scales to be larger than his head. The only reason it seems "small" is because Igneel is also dragon sized, and it should be noted that Igneel did dodge it. Scaled against a human, it would still be a decent way to engulf any opponent.
I don't think dodge-ball is a good analogy here, mainly because we're limited in ways our characters in Fairy Tail are not in terms of physical limitations. The characters in Fairy Tail are likely faster and stronger than any naturally occurring animal on earth. Acnologia specifically has magic that gives him the properties of a dragon.
Acnologia's attack against Irene was not a projection. Also, whilst Acnologia himself is faster than his roar, that doesn't mean all of his intended targets are. As far as I'm concerned, nobody alive is a match for Acnologia's speed at his best. There's probably a good number of opponents who aren't faster than his projectiles as well.
I used Dodge ball example because that's normally how we use projectiles.
Like rockets are generally faster than planes. Aconologia nuke isn't that huge. Remember gmg kagura jump. Unless that roar is alot faster than kagura. It will never hit
Think of it like this. Aconologia roared at her from 50 meters away. But the roar travel at the same speed as kagura jump. When the roar reaches kagura, she will be 50 meters in the air.
That's not how you see anyone dodge. Even in fairy tail.
When Acno roared at igneel, igneel only moved couple of meters to the side to dodge it. Meanwhile the roar moved from Acno to igneel at the same time.
The roar covered more distance than igneel did
That's how we use projectile attacks. They must always be faster than the target. Most nukes in fairy tail also follow the same standard. Though mishma does mess stuffs up sometimes to make it look cool.
But concept of normal projectile normally holds.
Now if we are talking about Acno nukes being faster than say erigor nukes then it possible and more likly (because Irene hype and Acno talking to her) that normal mages we know, won't be able to dodge
You made couple of mistakes. Let me fix it
Wendy is above Irene because she blocked her nuke. Correct
Wendy is also above Acnologia because she didn't get blown away by it.
New speed feat for Dim's laser. Wendy was able to jump in front of Irene's meteor before it hit Erza but couldn't perceive DiMaria's lasers. Ofc this doesn't mean Dim's lasers are faster than Irene overall but it should be faster than Irene's casual level attacks, which is still quite the feat.
August was shown to be bale to use barrier.Doesn't that count as durability? Besides didn't he use the magic of all CS memebers? I got the imperssion he used Racer's magic,just more powerful.
Erza has mid tier speed?
And jellal has top tier speed?
May I ask why you hate erza? Why do you downgrade erza at all times?
I mean we are talking about erza who hanged with racer and cobra pr ts. While post ts jellal managed racer cobra and angle.
That's a tier difference in speed of post ts jellal compared to pr ts erza.
We are talking about the same erza who moved so fast without SO in gmg that markarov couldn't even see it. Same markarov who blocked the hades formula. The same formula which laxus couldnt dodge.
You upgraded laxus because he faught Jura to juras hype. And now you are downgrading Irene to erza level. Instead of upgrading erza to Irene hype.
I don't think there is any point in Us
Arguing.
I can tell you most probably
Irene will now lose her hype by fighting erza just like end mode natsu and insane ds Grau lost their hype after erza stopped them.
But completely unlike how Jura did not lose his hype even though he could only with stood laxus punches something casual natsu face could tank.
Cheers
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I used Dodge ball example because that's normally how we use projectiles.
Like rockets are generally faster than planes. Aconologia nuke isn't that huge. Remember gmg kagura jump. Unless that roar is alot faster than kagura. It will never hit
Think of it like this. Aconologia roared at her from 50 meters away. But the roar travel at the same speed as kagura jump. When the roar reaches kagura, she will be 50 meters in the air.
That's not how you see anyone dodge. Even in fairy tail.
When Acno roared at igneel, igneel only moved couple of meters to the side to dodge it. Meanwhile the roar moved from Acno to igneel at the same time.
The roar covered more distance than igneel did
That's how we use projectile attacks. They must always be faster than the target. Most nukes in fairy tail also follow the same standard. Though mishma does mess stuffs up sometimes to make it look cool.
But concept of normal projectile normally holds.
Now if we are talking about Acno nukes being faster than say erigor nukes then it possible and more likly (because Irene hype and Acno talking to her) that normal mages we know, won't be able to dodge
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You made couple of mistakes. Let me fix it
Wendy is above Irene because she blocked her nuke. Correct
Wendy is also above Acnologia because she didn't get blown away by it.
Hate Erza? I love Erza, i simply have a realistic view of her power level. Same way i love Kagura and Gajeel, but i dont hype em to the moon because of my own personal preferences like you do.
She hanged with Racer who was holding back and Cobra who would only attack with Kinana, in other words in "cheap trick mode" not figthing seriously with his own magic. She also did that in Soaring armor and yet even with all this, she was still doing far worse than Jellal who wasnt even using Meteor, she couldnt land a single hit on any of them, so base post skip Jellal's speed>>pre skip Erza's Soaring armor speed, which is reasonable, Jellal's speed in base isnt even that great, Meteor is where its at.
Makarov had trouble following it with his eyes, nothing says he couldnt see it, or that he couldnt block it himself, just that it was difficult to follow.
Upgrading Erza to Eileen? You cant be serious, she could barely handle Azir, your acting like she has already beaten Eileen. Not downgrading Eileen to Erza either, just saying her attack speed is at a level where base Wendy is able to react, step in front and block her attacks, cause thats what Wendy did.
Makes sense, but i generally attribute magical speed to overall speed, for example i consider Jellal fast, but only cause he has Meteor.
Hate Erza? I love Erza, i simply have a realistic view of her power level. Same way i love Kagura and Gajeel, but i dont hype em to the moon because of my own personal preferences like you do.
She hanged with Racer who was holding back and Cobra who would only attack with Kinana, in other words in "cheap trick mode" not figthing seriously with his own magic. She also did that in Soaring armor and yet even with all this, she was still doing far worse than Jellal who wasnt even using Meteor, she couldnt land a single hit on any of them, so base post skip Jellal's speed>>pre skip Erza's Soaring armor speed, which is reasonable, Jellal's speed in base isnt even that great, Meteor is where its at.
Makarov had trouble following it with his eyes, nothing says he couldnt see it, or that he couldnt block it himself, just that it was difficult to follow.
Upgrading Erza to Eileen? You cant be serious, she could barely handle Azir, your acting like she has already beaten Eileen. Not downgrading Eileen to Erza either, just saying her attack speed is at a level where base Wendy is able to react, step in front and block her attacks, cause thats what Wendy did.
Ok
Then tell me where did you get racer wasnt serious
I mean the guy just blitz natsu gray and three other fodders, a feat far above tower of heaven arc jellal meteor. Then suddenly slow down for erza sake
She dodged racer when she wasnt looking at him in a non speed armor, thats not far below post ts base jellal feat
She used the souring armor for only a minute, before hot eye did that sneak attack. In that time no one managed to hit anyone. Thats racer plus cobra at the same time.
Base jellal was wrecked by racer plus cobra plus angle
So where are you getting base post ts jellal speed >> pr ts souring armor erza speed
He said he couldnt follow it, how the heck is he gonna block.
Laxus nor jellal got this kind of hype.
You know what else wendy did, stand her ground, something acnologia had trouble doing.
And are you sure wendy came between them, i thought she just put some sort of shield in front of erza
Knowing how fairy tail works, erza with some nakama speech will mostly handle irene
