Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Crimson Ice]

Lol at people STILL thinking Serena is on Gildarts level. Gildarts can actually blitz Neg Serena with the crash move he used on August(who only survived because of his nullification magic). August speed >> Serena so if August got hit Serena would as well and Serena has NO counter to it. He gets shredded at the start of the battle.

Gildarts was only praising him for being at such a high level at such a young age compared to his own.

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Who actually believes Erza is stronger than Laxus? Lol

Erza couldn't even solo Ajeel. Laxus was about to oneshot him no debate. This tells us Laxus >> Ajeel >/= Erza. This means Laxus could oneshot any Erza but Nakagami Erza(who has very low endurance) and Lightning Empress Erza(she'd get two shot instead).

Here's how FT members rank of the Key figures.
1. Natsu(DF+FDKM is overkill and can completely vaporize opponents of FH caliber)
2. Gildarts(Confimed Strongest FT member before the recent chapter with DF Natsu in August fight by Hiro in Chrunchyroll translations)
3. Laxus(Can one shot all Spriggan excluding the top 4)
4. Gray(His recent powerup has him shit stomping a Spriggan in Base. Can now replicate Invel's underworld Ice in Chrunchyroll's translations stated by Invel himself. And His Devil Slayer mode was physically strong enough to keep up with Partial E.N.D.
5. Gajeel(His Jet Black Iron mode has crap endurance but is extremely fast and lethal)
6. Erza(Plotza is higher but is EXTREMELY versatile and very close to Spriggan level. People tend to overrate her because they forget Wendy more than Doubled her strength in the battle with Irene with Enchantments as stated by Irene)
7. Mirajane(Honestlyshe could be above Erza with Algeria but it has such trash endurance and next to no feats. Algeria is very close to Spriggan level I'd say)
8. Wendy(Yes, this girl is waaaaaay too underrated. Her Basic DF is fast enough to blitz a Spriggan tho it won't do much damage. She wields enchantment spells that more than doubled ALL her stats; speed, strength, Atk & Defense. She can fly and oh most importantly she can NEVER run out of Magic power as she can just eat air. This is why it's easier for her to enter DF than others.
9. Makarov(kinda outdated and was complete fodder to Lower ranked Spriggan. He's still powerful but he hasn't been top tier since X784. I honestly believe Erza surpassed him in X791)
10. Elfman(Yeah Elfman)

Gildarts himself that Serena would have given him a tough fight.....I don't really get why Gildart's fight with August changes anything. We making up stuff now? When did Gildarts even mention his age?

I agree with you for most of your list.

 

[**Silver**]

Gildarts himself that Serena would have given him a tough fight.....I don't really get why Gildart's fight with August changes anything. We making up stuff now? When did Gildarts even mention his age?

I agree with you for most of your list.

false hype even freaking Wendy is stronger than God Serena and Wendy is the weakest Dragon Slayer... feats speak itself bs or not but Wendy defeated Irene with Erzas help...

Gildarts is not arrogant guy who says his opponents is weak...but that doesent mean fairytail mages is not stronger than Serena...

 

[Kay3795]

"Wendy is the weakest Dragon slayer"

As far as potential goes, Wendy is far above Serena and many many other characters. Irene utilising her body herself acknowledged that she didn't really lose that much power.

What Wendy needs is more combat experience. As for being the weakest DS, I doubt it.

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Also the poll is missed up as far as I'm concerned! For one, I don't think Erza is a lvl below Gildarts (feats doesn't support it), nor do I think Wendy/Lucy is a lvl below Mira (feats doesn't support it).

Anyway, I'll say Kagura is more or less on Mira's lvl (not sure about it).

 

[LaGOAT]

"Wendy is the weakest Dragon slayer"

As far as potential goes, Wendy is far above Serena and many many other characters. Irene utilising her body herself acknowledged that she didn't really lose that much power.

What Wendy needs is more combat experience. As for being the weakest DS, I doubt it.

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Also the poll is missed up as far as I'm concerned! For one, I don't think Erza is a lvl below Gildarts (feats doesn't support it), nor do I think Wendy/Lucy is a lvl below Mira (feats doesn't support it).

Anyway, I'll say Kagura is more or less on Mira's lvl (not sure about it).

Erza>zeref (feats of zeref doesn't support it) while u add it jellal>S12 and zeref since he is able to blitzes dragon acno

 

[Kay3795]

Erza>zeref (feats of zeref doesn't support it) while u add it jellal>S12 since he is able to blitzes dragon acno

Erza could actually oppose August better than Gildarts could even dream, maybe even kick his butt, yet Ajeel and Marin is Erza's worst nightmare, primarily due to Marin dimension magic. So it's obvious that match-ups are rather significant, and everything isn't necessarily a case A>B>C thus A>C. However; having said that, it's also sometimes apparent when somebody is just, overall, stronger. This is more easily identified in cases hax and gimmicks aren't involved or are involved to a limited degree. Gildarts is a straightforward fighter, as is Erza. I don't have to scratch my head too much to arrive at the conclusion that he isn't a lvl above her (feats simply doesn't support it).

The Immortal Zeref is essentially what I'll call a gimmick lord, armed to the teeth with stupid haxx; so automatically, your example doesn't work. Also, the mere fact that he fought Igneel powered Natsu to an extent hand to hand and he's fighting Natsu now hand to hand further reinforces why your example doesn't work. As far as feats are concerned, Natsu is the strongest FT guild member right now.

 

[LaGOAT]

Erza could actually oppose August better than Gildarts could even dream, maybe even kick his butt, yet Ajeel and Marin is Erza's worst nightmare, primarily due to Marin dimension magic. So it's obvious that match-ups are rather significant, and everything isn't necessarily a case A>B>C thus A>C. However; having said that, it's also sometimes apparent when somebody is just, overall, stronger. This is more easily identified in cases hax and gimmicks aren't involved or are involved to a limited degree. Gildarts is a straightforward fighter, as is Erza. I don't have to scratch my head too much to arrive at the conclusion that he isn't a lvl above her (feats simply doesn't support it).

The Immortal Zeref is essentially what I'll call a gimmick lord, armed to the teeth with stupid haxx; so automatically, your example doesn't work. Also, the mere fact that he fought Igneel powered Natsu to an extent hand to hand and he's fighting Natsu now hand to hand further reinforces why your example doesn't work. As far as feats are concerned, Natsu is the strongest FT guild member right now.

august no diff erza no if but and how. Erza have no feats provided to beat the GOAT. Funny thing is I could of sworn Irene would have easily no diff/low diff erza if Wendy wasn't there and half of her feats is becuase Wendy was there to support. Gildartz perform better feats by himself than erza who couldn't manage to get a hit on her own. Gildartz>erza (yep feats are supported by that) lol zeref being a gimmick lord is irrelevant (sounds like U don't like him I don't either) yes it does because ur saying erza feats is above every1 solo because she busted a mere meteor. So by logic jellal>DF natsu and ig natsu because he blitzes anco. And yes I know natsu Is the strongest in the guild no doubts bout that

 

[Saigon]

What did Hiro do to mira, im so sad
Now people are saying wendy and lucy are above her ;-; he needs to fix this, My girl does not deserve this kind of disrespect
Why even give mirajane power-ups if they always have the same results

 

[Arjuna]

@Errant Singularity

@upsurge


@Globear this thread is just like the powerscaling thread we had in FTB.


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Rank your haxiest magics

Mine
Copying Magic (of August)
Age Seal
Transport
Ice Slave

 

[Kay3795]

august no diff erza no if but and how. Erza have no feats provided to beat the GOAT. Funny thing is I could of sworn Irene would have easily no diff/low diff erza if Wendy wasn't there and half of her feats is becuase Wendy was there to support. Gildartz perform better feats by himself than erza who couldn't manage to get a hit on her own. Gildartz>erza (yep feats are supported by that) lol zeref being a gimmick lord is irrelevant (sounds like I don't like him I don't either) yes it does because ur saying erza feats is above every1 solo because she busted a mere meteor. So by logic jellal>DF natsu and ig natsu because he blitzes anco. And yes I know natsu Is the strongest in the guild no doubts bout that

Not sure if you're actually aware of this but your manner of communication—choice of words— here is riddled with gross underestimation. It tells me all I need to know really. If you want proof of my assertion, you merely have to read the part in bold to see: "she busted a mere meteor"

Mere—trifling, meagre, insignificant— meteor? What's so mere about this feat in the context of FT universe exactly?

Here we have the master Enchantress (that can make wood stronger than steel) summoning a meteor from space which was enchanted to travel at speeds which far eclipse typical meteors and was going to wipe the battlefield completely clean had Erza not perform one of the most astronomical feat ever and smashed such a meteor to bits. The feat was so great, Irene couldn't help but marvel at the sheer absurdity

Spoiler

and yet you are, and some others attempting to trivialise it. Nah, this argumentation doesn't fly with me.

 

[**Silver**]

"Wendy is the weakest Dragon slayer"

As far as potential goes, Wendy is far above Serena and many many other characters. Irene utilising her body herself acknowledged that she didn't really lose that much power.

What Wendy needs is more combat experience. As for being the weakest DS, I doubt it.

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Also the poll is missed up as far as I'm concerned! For one, I don't think Erza is a lvl below Gildarts (feats doesn't support it), nor do I think Wendy/Lucy is a lvl below Mira (feats doesn't support it).

Anyway, I'll say Kagura is more or less on Mira's lvl (not sure about it).

Wendy is still young 13 years old and stronger than (1 st Wizard Saint God Serena ) so its really impressive feat....

Wendy has even potential to surpass Acnologia...

 

[LaGOAT]

Not sure if you're actually aware of this but your manner of communication—choice of words— here is riddled with gross underestimation. It tells me all I need to know really. If you want proof of my assertion, you merely have to read the part in bold to see: "she busted a mere meteor"

Mere—trifling, meagre, insignificant— meteor? What's so mere about this feat in the context of FT universe exactly?

Here we have the master Enchantress (that can make wood stronger than steel) summoning a meteor from space which was enchanted to travel at speeds which far eclipse typical meteors and was going to wipe the battlefield completely clean had Erza not perform one of the most astronomical feat ever and smashed such a meteor to bits. The feat was so great, Irene couldn't help but marvel at the sheer absurdity

Spoiler

and yet you are, and some others attempting to trivialise it. Nah, this argumentation doesn't fly with me.

we seen many character stop a meteor in another anime univerise (law from one piece onoki from naruto) so erza doing it isnt an OMG feat its a impressive feat no doubt but its mean ppl at her tier and higher could do it (gildartz use crushing magic to stop or laxus uses raging bolt) and if ur going say ''well they havent shown capable feats) i could say the same with ur boy natsu zeref and even acno they havent shown any astronomical feat therefore according to ur logic erza is the ''strongest in the verse in the manga''

 

[Schpittfeuer]

I wen't with Erza level. I mean, Kagura is really really strong...

Who knows what would happen if not for BS orgasm no jutsu of Larcade

 

[**Silver**]

I wen't with Erza level. I mean, Kagura is really really strong...

Who knows what would happen if not for BS orgasm no jutsu of Larcade

current Powerscaling is this if we follow the story

Acnologia
Fh Zeref
Natsu
August
Irene
Erza(Defated Irene)
Wendy(Defeated Irene)
Sting (Defeated Larcade 3 most powerful spriggan)
Larcade
Gildarts(Breviously Fairy tail Strongest mage)
Gray( close to Natsu powerlevel)

Others----->

 

[Schpittfeuer]

current Powerscaling is this if we follow the story

Acnologia
Fh Zeref
Natsu
August
Irene
Erza(Defated Irene)
Wendy(Defeated Irene)
Sting (Defeated Larcade 3 most powerful spriggan)
Larcade
Gildarts(Breviously Fairy tail Strongest mage)
Gray( close to Natsu powerlevel)

Others----->

When I remember when FT members were like "what insane magic power" when facing Spriggans...

 

[Pheromone]

I wen't with Erza level. I mean, Kagura is really really strong...

Who knows what would happen if not for BS orgasm no jutsu of Larcade

Everyone who read the manga.

Spoiler

Larcade flattened Kagura without using his magic.

 

[Globear]

@Errant Singularity

@upsurge


@Globear this thread is just like the powerscaling thread we had in FTB.


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Rank your haxiest magics

Mine
Copying Magic (of August)
Age Seal
Transport
Ice Slave

Thats great and all but it's not like ive suddenly become the power ranking mistress

Sniffles

I wish

=.=
Anywho top 3 haxy magic

1 la la cray crays eat sleep hunger magic
2 brandishs size magic thingy
3 invels ice lock chain thingy

 

[sharkai]

Ha, true, true. Feel free to ignore a few though.

Funny, i seem to recall you saying Azuma's Terra Clamore>>Black Hole, and you're talking to me about Mid tier vs Top tiers? Good one.
Not killing Wahl off the bat wasnt PiS, it was smart. Laxus needed him to get cured. Not setting up some runes was PiS, maybe.
Azir hit Erza before Marin blocked Requip, its just that thanks to him Erza took longer to get out of it. No sneak attack happened.
MBPs were killing Laxus, giving Wahl free hits and were the reason Laxus had to draw runes instead of oneshot Wahl.
Ha, Gravity, i get it. I remember when Gravity had Erza needing Natsu to save her from crashing to the ground from just one little battle with Azir. And i remember when Gravity made Gray have to carry Erza to the battlefield, while Laxus had to walk there himself. Good old Gravity.
Because GMG Dragons are slower than Sting, despite being leagues above him(Sting couldnt even damage the chump).
Erza didnt oneshot Minerva, Kagura, or Midnight. Aria/Ikaruga sure, but Gray oneshotted both their comrades too, so yeah, not THAT far above Natsu.
Wendy reacted to, moved in front of and protected Erza from Eileen's attacks, she do anything like that to Jura?
Of course, Laxus is just average speed without LB. Erza blitzed Azir, August blitzed Gildarts and Kana at the same time. Gildarts alone>>Azir

ok ignoring points

Terra clamore not azuma powers. its tenrou tree powers where gildarts and other powers were. so its the not the same

no it was not. how the hell would laxus even know wahl had never seen red lightening and could not analyze it. its a pure example of ass pull.
yes erza did. kagura and minerva weren't really harmed before the final hit. just like wahl.

erza requip is fast. ajeel magic would have had no effect on her if marin did not help ajeel. all sand world attacks were sneak attacks. erza cant see through sand storm you know.

yes, that gravity. natsu just saved erza for the bro feel. its not like that fall will do much to erza.
yes, laxus managed to fight fine against gravity when there were no enemies.

how do you know GMG dragons were slower than sting. they couldnt one shot sting. so either they were playing around (not valid feats thus not slow either). or they were plain weak (valid feats)

yes she blocked a non serious irene targeting someone else. are you seriously comparing that to the pissed off irene. do you think gmg wendy or gmg lucy wont able to block a random blast from a casual jura as he talking.

o now its a blitz huh? so erza blitz ajeel and lb laxus blitz wahl
or did putting up a block means no blitz, thus meteor august tried to blitz gildart and cana (they are both at the same spot, not impressive as blitzing like racer did back OS arc). and slowest and the weakest manage to put a block.
(if you dont understand this, let me put in the way you understand
erza get pissed off at seeing laxus holding levy hand
she blitz at them, covering the distance at five seconds
laxus being super fast puts up a block at 5ms, after erza starts to charge, remember she will take 4.95s more to get to them
levy put up a block at 5s, because she is slow.
neither move
how would you measure this blitz
would you say erza almost blitzed laxus or would you use the slower levy)

so choose already
is it
lb laxus speed = no fast armor erza speed
or
no fast armor erza speed > meteor august

remember we are measuring speed not strength

you have yet to tell me, would gildart require that much power (the power he used to crash the black hole) to take out an average grimour member.

 

[Kay3795]

current Powerscaling is this if we follow the story

Acnologia
Fh Zeref
Natsu
August
Irene
Erza(Defated Irene)
Wendy(Defeated Irene)
Sting (Defeated Larcade 3 most powerful spriggan)
Larcade
Gildarts(Breviously Fairy tail Strongest mage)
Gray( close to Natsu powerlevel)

Others----->

Nah I disagree with this list. Here's my ranking—using the same characters you did.

1) FH Zeref (unlimited)
2) Acno (Dark Dragon)
3) Natsu (Flame King)
4) Irene/August (Top S12)
5) Ezra (?)
6) Larcade (?)

Wendy won't be in this list as she lacks experience in fighting. She's rapidly growing powerful, which is a testament to her potential, but she needs more fights under her belt.

Larcade & Ezra I'm not too sure how to place them on the list.

Sting most certainly won't be on the list because he had too much of an advantage fighting Larcade—he had light power to counter Larcade, as well as Rogue's shadow power. I'll wait and see him master the shadow arts first before I place him anywhere. It'd also be interesting if Rogue got the light power now to make the twin light/shadow combo balanced. It'd be like LightningFire Mode Natsu.

 

[sharkai]

OH is that so? so i could say that with every1 that has taken a L in the series. lol so irene>anco now because she used universe one on him okk... i guess acno was serious might as well say that irene is the strongest character in the series.

so? she was casually stop a very serious END that was try to beat/kill gray.
END was suppose not to have MP but lacade does so.. the only one to be confirm was bloodman.
hahahha she is? that means she equal is also to nienhart too who natsu two shotted/jellal oneshotted no matter how u put it. it means that him jellal laxus no diff all the spriggan that are on his lvl butya forgot erza couldnt beat a spriggan by himself so natsu/END laxus and jellal>>>>>>>>>>>>>erza man this is too easy to use ur logic against u

huh??? ok does that mean that he can beat irene is the question?? ajeel vs erza is irrelevent because ajeel>erza

did i say lucy>invel? i said that lucy was able to get out of instafreeze that doesnt translate to her beating invel lol ur funny for that man. that means any1 from her lvl and higher can perform that feat (including erza herself)

just like how broken bones erza isnt an asspull? call RL an asspull all u want but erza is master of pulling those in every fight
gmg erza is below jura. laxus wasnt below wahl bad analogy once again. i guess GMG wendy>gmg erza because she fought a dragon.

yes gmg mira was around erza level. i didnt say that erza=mira. nope again with the bad logic lucy wasnt even close to laxus lvl

laxus struggle and got a W by himself while erza got help still struggle and got A W. sneak attack when?? marin then was over once lucy took him down.

yes i guess dimaria TS only works on lower tier like wendy. cause it didnt affected them. but somehow work on brandish but like u said brandish=dimaria

yes because she ate the MBP like laxus did .

lol how erza rested twice in the arc had 2 days to rest laxus had 1.

excpet gildartz did this to august http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/522/9 and this http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/522/10 gildartz manage to get a hit on his own despite beaing weaker than august all erza could do is hold her own couldnt get a hit on irene until wendy came along to do it gildartz>erza those are facts

i guess GMG mira and Wendy>> GMG erza because they both fought a stronger opponent than erza right? i guess tenrou makarov>>>>hades because he fought acno too i can use ur logic all day against u bro keep it going.

i know u believe that zeref>irene but look what zeref said http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/521/18 that was his portrayal>>erza who fought irene

yes by your logic
irene > aconologia
because he is too weak to counter a magic he has never seen
just like you think ajeel > erza

erza stopped a punch. what does have to do with anything
you dont know how much stronger erza is compared to serena, so why bring this up.
nienhart is little different. but dimeria is not, she has good durabilty, hell maybe even better than laxus. she took a df wendy punch to the face without even moving. dont think laxus can do that.
either how
even if serena > dimeria
partial end is still far above serena, going by what he did to dimeria. and how scared she was.

partial end > erza > laxus > jellal
erza did much better than take out a springgan. she over powered the strongest of them.

no, but he would do much better than serena or laxus. both shouldnt be that much weaker than him.
ajeel is weaker than erza by a reasonable margin.

it took natsu a while to break invel instafreeze. that probably how lucy unfroze too. unfortunately laxus is not a fire mage like natsu.
i meant laxus is below erza because he has no power feat like erza does. so you cant give all erza feats to him by saying something we know is wrong

what are you talking about. erza struggled for three reasons, ajeel was immune to 90% of erza magic, marin helped ajeel and ajeel making himself invisible in sand world. the momont erza also got help, ajeel lost. she didnt struggle after bisca help

levy did worse, she took MBP directly into her skin. much much worse.

cant see gildart doing anything near like overpowering august top tier move.

i like how you twist sh!t up.
erza held her own against strongest of springgans. better feat than beating an average springgan. she over powered the strongest springgan top move which is better than one shoting average springgan

yeah zeref should be stronger tham irene

gmg erza should be near jura. like in the same tier for one shotting kagura and minerva.
else laxus is below current erza tier.

you seems to be mixing stuffs up
power is different
like erza destroying deus sema, demon fist of gray, red lightening. these are power feats
speed is different
erza almost blitzing ajeel , meteor augsut almost blitzing cana

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my ranking would be
Zeref (FH)
Aconologia
-
Irene
August
Natsu (df)
-
partial END
POF erza
POF des Gray
-
POF laxus
laxus/natsu
erza
base gray/ base gajeel

dont know about lacarde
most springgan would be above base gray and below laxus
that means if hax is not included or disatavantage ao somethimng like that laxus beats avaerage springgan high diff

 

[Seven777]

ok ignoring points

Terra clamore not azuma powers. its tenrou tree powers where gildarts and other powers were. so its the not the same

no it was not. how the hell would laxus even know wahl had never seen red lightening and could not analyze it. its a pure example of ass pull.
yes erza did. kagura and minerva weren't really harmed before the final hit. just like wahl.

erza requip is fast. ajeel magic would have had no effect on her if marin did not help ajeel. all sand world attacks were sneak attacks. erza cant see through sand storm you know.

yes, that gravity. natsu just saved erza for the bro feel. its not like that fall will do much to erza.
yes, laxus managed to fight fine against gravity when there were no enemies.

how do you know GMG dragons were slower than sting. they couldnt one shot sting. so either they were playing around (not valid feats thus not slow either). or they were plain weak (valid feats)

yes she blocked a non serious irene targeting someone else. are you seriously comparing that to the pissed off irene. do you think gmg wendy or gmg lucy wont able to block a random blast from a casual jura as he talking.

o now its a blitz huh? so erza blitz ajeel and lb laxus blitz wahl
or did putting up a block means no blitz, thus meteor august tried to blitz gildart and cana (they are both at the same spot, not impressive as blitzing like racer did back OS arc). and slowest and the weakest manage to put a block.
(if you dont understand this, let me put in the way you understand
erza get pissed off at seeing laxus holding levy hand
she blitz at them, covering the distance at five seconds
laxus being super fast puts up a block at 5ms, after erza starts to charge, remember she will take 4.95s to get to them
levy put up a block at 5s, because she is slow.
neither move
how would you measure this blitz
would you say erza almost blitzed laxus or would you use the slower levy)

so choose already
is it
lb laxus speed = no fast armor erza speed
or
no fast armor erza speed > meteor august

remember we are measuring speed not strength

you have yet to tell me, would gildart require that much power (the power he used to crash the black hole) to take out an average grimour member.

Its the same. Mid tier vs Top tier, you're saying the mid tier was better. Terra Clamore is Azuma's spell, he takes energy from trees to power his spells, thats his ability. Doesnt mean he is suddenly as powerful as everyone on Tenrou combined, or is that what you are saying? Azuma>Gildarts lol?
Minerva and Kagura were all damaged prior to their defeat, and Kagura wasnt even defeated, she surrendered(sorta).
Because a GMG Dragon was chasing Sting around the battlefield and couldnt catch him.
If Sting was running from the dragon, that means the dragon was stronger, even with Sting's DS advantage.

Laxus knew he could kill Wahl, what else is there to know? Fact is getting cured of MBPs was his plan, its canon. Sure RL was an asspull, i never denied it
Uhuh with no enemies Erza still needed Gray to carry her unconscious ass to the battlefield. Couldnt even move after facing the likes of Ajeel too.
No, they werent sneak attacks, Erza was literally looking right at Ajeel when he attacked her.
Sure, Eileen wasnt serious, but neither was Wendy, she wasnt even in Dragon Force, just base form.
Wait didnt you say it was a blitz? Not following you here.
As for blocking and blitzing, it depends, did you block because you chose to? Or did you block cause you couldnt react fast enough to dodge?
Yeah... not choosing either of those. LB Laxus>Erza. Meteor August>Erza.

You didnt ask me how much power it'd take Gildarts to destroy a 7 kin. Say we're talking Azuma or Zancrow? About the same as Black Hole, at least if we're talking total destruction of the member and not just a knock out. Other than Makarov, Gildarts was the only one strong enough to oneshot em, in fact Azuma might even survive a hit from Gildarts