Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[LaGOAT]

Whether or not Natsu was on Erza's level in Tartarus is not really that important, but we can discuss this if you want. The main point is that Natsu overall is on Gildart's level. His base mode is weaker, and his dragon force is stronger than Gildarts. However, overall he is around that level.

Zeref was bleeding after Igneel-powered Natsu's attacks. He looked a lot more beaten up back then than he does now. Natsu did minimal damage to Zeref last chapter. Like I said, it amounted to a few scratches on his face which is honestly nothing. Besides, Zeref was never stated to be immune to damage or have magic that reinforces the toughness of his body. August can negate caster magic, which is what he did to most of Gildart's attacks. The one attack that did land was true heaven, and it didn't have any effect at all. So what exactly is the big deal? Are you seriously trying to tell me a few scratches on Zeref's face proves that August is superior to Zeref?

proof that natsu is on gildartz level without DF?? he was never on his level.


show me a feat that zeref has accomplish that is so top tier??? show me panels when was zeref was bleeding when fighting BDKM NATSU?? no zeref its because of immortality that why he tanking those attacks. plus ur confusing endurance with durablity. august tanked gildartz strongest attack up to date without stretches it just means august durablity>Fh zeref durability i didnt say FH zeref<august (im thinking that way right now) but zeref hasnt been that impressive

 

[Axiomus]

Gray couldn't land a hit against Keith. Elfman oneshotted Seilah. Seilah > Keith. Does that mean Elfman would beat Gray in a fight? Erza doesn't have any of the abilities that caused Natsu to struggle against Jackal and Franmalth. If she fights Natsu, it would be largely be a contest of strength, speed, and durability.

doesnt matter jackal made natsu to use LFD spells to oneshot him. if lucy wasnt natsu would have lost vs franmalth. hades>>>franmalth hades wont get trash by a huge rock. erza fought the strongest out of the demon gates and won by herself natsu couldnt beat tempster in LFD mode lol something that laxus two shotted him. tartaros erza mid diff tartaros natsu

LFD isn't Natsu going all out. Dragon Force was. Natsu used an LFD Iron Hammer, and LFD roar, and an LFD secret art before even fighting Mard Geer. None of those attacks exhausted him. It was only when Natsu used a secret art in dragon force that he finally used up all of his remaining power. That attack would have been stronger than any of the attacks used previously. Franmalth literally had Hade's power when he absorbed his soul. Franmalth's own durability might be terrible, but he had Hade's magical power to attack with.

proof that natsu is on gildartz level without DF?? he was never on his level.

show me a feat that zeref has accomplish that is so top tier??? show me panels when was zeref was bleeding when fighting BDKM NATSU?? no zeref its because of immortality that why he tanking those attacks. plus ur confusing endurance with durablity. august tanked gildartz strongest attack up to date without stretches it just means august durablity>Fh zeref durability i didnt say FH zeref<august (im thinking that way right now) but zeref hasnt been that impressive

How many Spriggans has Gildarts taken out? How many has Natsu?

The fact that Zeref is immortal, can heal his injuries, and has the ability to reverse time even when his body is scattered puts him above August. He has infinite magical power to boot. Fairy Heart doesn't increase the durability of Zeref's body. In all likelihood, it would still be harder to damage a dragon than Zeref's body. That said, a few scratches on Zeref's face is hardly enough to put August on a whole different level. Base Natsu's punches barely did anything to Natsu, whereas Zeref's hand swipe gave Natsu a pretty good cut. They were not even matched last chapter

 

[LaGOAT]

LFD isn't Natsu going all out. Dragon Force was. Natsu used an LFD Iron Hammer, and LFD roar, and an LFD secret art before even fighting Mard Geer. None of those attacks exhausted him. It was only when Natsu used a secret art in dragon force that he finally used up all of his remaining power. That attack would have been stronger than any of the attacks used previously. Franmalth literally had Hade's power when he absorbed his soul. Franmalth's own durability might be terrible, but he had Hade's magical power to attack with.



How many Spriggans has Gildarts taken out? How many has Natsu?

The fact that Zeref is immortal, can heal his injuries, and has the ability to reverse time even when his body is scattered puts him above August. He has infinite magical power to boot. Fairy Heart doesn't increase the durability of Zeref's body. In all likelihood, it would still be harder to damage a dragon than Zeref's body. That said, a few scratches on Zeref's face is hardly enough to put August on a whole different level. Base Natsu's punches barely did anything to Natsu, whereas Zeref's hand swipe gave Natsu a pretty good cut. They were not even matched last chapter

He couldnt go DF without emotional trigger so that logic is irrelevant LFD was the only mode he can use at the time by himself. hades>franmalths him using his power=/= hades level of power that common sense there.

im sorry that hiro didnt want gildartz to solo most of the spriggans himself. that like saying how many people did zeref solo in this war???

cool but gets damage by base natsu something that shouldnt been happening to a top tier in his verse
again august took no starches from gildartz attacks. while zeref he getting damage by base natsu his durablity is shit is my point. are u saying that DF NATSU>BDKM natsu. base natsu made fh zeref bleed Bdkm natsu couldnt do that. that cool it means that base natsu>BDKM NATSU AND DF NATSU. we shall see next chapter judging y the title it looks like natsu might use a roar in his base form to beat zeref

 

[Axiomus]

He couldnt go DF without emotional trigger so that logic is irrelevant LFD was the only mode he can use at the time by himself. hades>franmalths him using his power=/= hades level of power that common sense there.

im sorry that hiro didnt want gildartz to solo most of the spriggans himself. that like saying how many people did zeref solo in this war???

cool but gets damage by base natsu something that shouldnt been happening to a top tier in his verse
again august took no starches from gildartz attacks. while zeref he getting damage by base natsu his durablity is shit is my point. are u saying that DF NATSU>BDKM natsu. base natsu made fh zeref bleed Bdkm natsu couldnt do that. that cool it means that base natsu>BDKM NATSU AND DF NATSU. we shall see next chapter judging y the title it looks like natsu might use a roar in his base form to beat zeref

Emotional trigger? So... if he gets mad enough, he can use it. So why can't he just get mad enough at Erza? For that matter, can Erza sense Kyouka without invoking PoF? So why are POF valid for Erza but not for Natsu? It's honestly amazing the claims that are invented to restrict Natsu's power. First it's that Natsu used Igneel's power against Ikusatsunagi. Then he used Igneel's power against Bluenote. Then he used Igneel's power against Jacob, and doesn't have FDK mode anymore. Then he used END's pre-phase powers against Neinhart. Then Igneel leaving Natsu's body somehow gave him a power up. Now Dragon Force isn't valid because Natsu needs an emotional trigger. Franmalth literally absorbed Hades. I'm not seeing the logic of why he wouldn't be as strong as Hades w/o his Heart. Franmalth is not copying Hade's power. He literally has it.

Okay, so what exactly has Gildarts done that puts him on a whole different level than Natsu? They have similar AoE capabilities. Natsu can survive negate nuke from August, to the point that Lucy and Happy can survive it. They can both take out Spriggans in a few hits. Zeref can do stuff the other Spriggans can't do, namely tank hits that would kill most of the other Spriggans. That's the difference here. Honestly, you can make out marks on August's body as well. They're just harder to see because he's inked in darkly. Look at August's reaction to getting punched by Gildarts, and then compare that with Zeref's reaction. This is hardly enough to say that they are different levels. I can't tell if you are you serious when you say that base Natsu > Igneel powered FDK Natsu. You can see that he's bleeding after that punch, and not just from his mouth. Just looking at the pages side by side, there is no way Zeref was worse off from base Natsu.

Spoiler: Marks on August's body

Spoiler: August's reaction

Spoiler: Zeref's reaction

Spoiler: Igneel powered FDK Natsu

 

[Seven777]

Sure there's a reason. It has been assumed that's DF right? If that's DF then his strength has indeed boosted to obtain that. But if that's the case of what you're saying is true, then that must show that's not DF he used and shouldn't be a reason to think he can activate his at will when he done confirmed he can't.

By others meaning those whose attacks stronger than Gray's. Well I guess you got a point about Bloodman's durability.

His strength was boosted by DF. Him not obtaining it through external power doesn't mean that it isn't Dragon Force. I mean his flashbacks make it pretty clear that it was DF
But say that it isn't Dragon Force, that just means Gajeel beat a spriggan to death without it and should still be an easy pick to progress.

 

[Star Frost]

His strength was boosted by DF. Him not obtaining it through external power doesn't mean that it isn't Dragon Force. I mean his flashbacks make it pretty clear that it was DF
But say that it isn't Dragon Force, that just means Gajeel beat a spriggan to death without it and should still be an easy pick to progress.

Yet to get DF he has to become stronger, hence how Wendy was able to obtain hers from consuming the air that contained Ethernano which powered her up. Also ok then if it's DF then MBP's should be considered an external source since that's how he was able to even first get it either way.

Not unless he was powered up from the properties of the MBP's of the iron.

 

[Seven777]

Yet to get DF he has to become stronger, hence how Wendy was able to obtain hers from consuming the air that contained Ethernano which powered her up. Also ok then if it's DF then MBP's should be considered an external source since that's how he was able to even first get it either way.

Not unless he was powered up from the properties of the MBP's of the iron.

No he doesnt, Gajeel was already at a level that far surpassed current Wendy or Tartaros Natsu. Gajeel didnt need to get any stronger than he already was to achieve DF.

Highly doubt the tiny traces of Iron in the MBPs floating around were enough to counter the magic eating aspect. Gajeel eating his belt buckle would probably provide more iron with less risk.

 

[Star Frost]

No he doesnt, Gajeel was already at a level that far surpassed current Wendy or Tartaros Natsu. Gajeel didnt need to get any stronger than he already was to achieve DF.

Highly doubt the tiny traces of Iron in the MBPs floating around were enough to counter the magic eating aspect. Gajeel eating his belt buckle would probably provide more iron with less risk.

Considering the fact that he couldnt achieve DF like the others have without any external source does indeed show that he needs to make himself stronger than he already is. The flashbacks and he himself have stated his frustration of how he's always falling behind from the others of not achieving the next stage of Dragon Slaying Magic.

It's the main reason why he survived. Had there not been iron then he would've been dead from them.

 

[Seven777]

Considering the fact that he couldnt achieve DF like the others have without any external source does indeed show that he needs to make himself stronger than he already is. The flashbacks and he himself have stated his frustration of how he's always falling behind from the others of not achieving the next stage of Dragon Slaying Magic.

It's the main reason why he survived. Had there not been iron then he would've been dead from them.

Sure, he couldnt achieve Dragon Force, but that was likely due to his lack of knowledge or perhaps drive. We already know he had ample strength to fuel Dragon Force. To me it seemed like it was the act of letting go of his desire to keep up with other Dragon Slayers and realizing that all that mattered was protecting Levy, that allowed him to finally achieve Dragon Force.
The MBPs only purpose was to allow him to match Bloodmans attribute as Bloodman himself stated.

 

[Star Frost]

Sure, he couldnt achieve Dragon Force, but that was likely due to his lack of knowledge or perhaps drive. We already know he had ample strength to fuel Dragon Force. To me it seemed like it was the act of letting go of his desire to keep up with other Dragon Slayers and realizing that all that mattered was protecting Levy, that allowed him to finally achieve Dragon Force.
The MBPs only purpose was to allow him to match Bloodmans attribute as Bloodman himself stated.

Maybe it's his drive or perhaps its more of being a late bloomer. Like he didn't get motion sickness (which symbolizes that they have become true dragon slayers) until after his 3 month training for the GMG and he was already on par with Natsu's (who got motion sickness since the BoS) level. He may need more power than the other dragon slayers needed to activate it at will like Wendy who needed to obtain DF to finally get motion sickness to be considered a true dragon slayer. Lack of knowledge is irrelevant when it's mostly about the amount of power they got to have which is how Natsu and Wendy got theirs which they shown that factor to not be the case. And by finally achieving it you mean from getting it the moment he was consuming the MBP's which the main purpose of doing that is to save Levy from them before she absorbs more of it to the point the poison will kill her.

 

[Seven777]

Maybe it's his drive, but the lack of knowledge is irrelevant when it's mostly about the amount of power they got to have which is how Natsu and Wendy got theirs which they shown that factor to not be the case. And by finally achieving it you mean from getting it the moment he was consuming the MBP's which the main purpose of doing that is to save Levy from them before she absorbs more of it to the point the poison will kill her. I think its more of being a late bloomer. Like he didn't get motion sickness (which symbolizes that they have become true dragon slayers) until after his 3 month training for the GMG and he was already close to Natsu's level

Could be, but for me his performance against Bradman is enough for me to say he moves on without much trouble, imo eating MBPs didnt really factor into his power level.

 

[Star Frost]

Could be, but for me his performance against Bradman is enough for me to say he moves on without much trouble, imo eating MBPs didnt really factor into his power level.

Post may get deleted but I did some editing on the previous one

 

[Raven]

Gajeel didn't use DF. His wining forumla in every fight is quite the same, Eating his respective enemies powers and get a different mode he had another flashbacks besides the panel of eveyone using DF. I highly doubt that Gajeel used DF there he was unable to hit bloodman but he he ate the Etherious he gained new power that allowed him to hit Bloodman.

As for Tartarous Natsu tbh he wasn't impressive and couldn't win any fight on his own if it weren't for outside help he could have been defeated in every fight. Very funny because he is the strongest demon yet he couldn't solo one demon. I hated this Natsu version was nerfed even his DF wasn't strong enough to beat Mard because it burns his mana quite fast.

 

[LaGOAT]

Emotional trigger? So... if he gets mad enough, he can use it. So why can't he just get mad enough at Erza? For that matter, can Erza sense Kyouka without invoking PoF? So why are POF valid for Erza but not for Natsu? It's honestly amazing the claims that are invented to restrict Natsu's power. First it's that Natsu used Igneel's power against Ikusatsunagi. Then he used Igneel's power against Bluenote. Then he used Igneel's power against Jacob, and doesn't have FDK mode anymore. Then he used END's pre-phase powers against Neinhart. Then Igneel leaving Natsu's body somehow gave him a power up. Now Dragon Force isn't valid because Natsu needs an emotional trigger. Franmalth literally absorbed Hades. I'm not seeing the logic of why he wouldn't be as strong as Hades w/o his Heart. Franmalth is not copying Hade's power. He literally has it.

Okay, so what exactly has Gildarts done that puts him on a whole different level than Natsu? They have similar AoE capabilities. Natsu can survive negate nuke from August, to the point that Lucy and Happy can survive it. They can both take out Spriggans in a few hits. Zeref can do stuff the other Spriggans can't do, namely tank hits that would kill most of the other Spriggans. That's the difference here. Honestly, you can make out marks on August's body as well. They're just harder to see because he's inked in darkly. Look at August's reaction to getting punched by Gildarts, and then compare that with Zeref's reaction. This is hardly enough to say that they are different levels. I can't tell if you are you serious when you say that base Natsu > Igneel powered FDK Natsu. You can see that he's bleeding after that punch, and not just from his mouth. Just looking at the pages side by side, there is no way Zeref was worse off from base Natsu.

Spoiler: Marks on August's body

Spoiler: August's reaction

Spoiler: Zeref's reaction

Spoiler: Igneel powered FDK Natsu

im talking about tartrous DF natsu not current DF natsu it clear as day that he train to obtain it a year. u know as well as me that when natsu saw gray on the ground that it trigger his DF hence the emotional trigger if he can do at will like he did vs zeref he would have done eailer vs mard geer not when he saw gray on the ground that doesnt make sense. its the same logic when vs laxus flame of emotion natsu was able to beat laxus. we have never seen both natsu vs erza go all out on each other. but we knew by feats and hype and protrayal that erza>natsu its common sense their buddy. and talking about be4 the TS. did i say Pof erza didnt beat kyokya? natsu had pof but couldnt beat the big bad mard geer without gray help. facts erza>natsu and the feats show it in tartrous arc with DF he was stronger its as simple as that.

did u hear me complain about natsu beating those people u mention??? again irrelevant stuff. hades with out stomps franmath the guy is weak as hell. i already told u that franmath having his power =/= hades own power level. franmath get s no diff by laxus and erza mid diff him. natsu need help no if buts and how. franmath>natsu at that time.

gildartz show better feats than natsu. able to biltzs august. tank his attacks. natsu didnt tank his attack he had to negate it but did it to a certain extent. gildartz no diff jacob a feat that natsu couldnt do without going FDKM. a causal roar from isnt oneshoting ajeel like laxus didnt with a casual nuke something gildaartz could do easily.

sorry i dont see any injuries from august just see a perfectly fine august with no starches http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/527/8. again ur talking about zeref endurance not his durability and that is solo because of his immortality not gonna hold that again him. FH zref shouldnt be spitting blood from base punches with stronger version couldnt. the panels u show me from BDKM natsu and zeref are nothing alike to the current fight. did u see blood from zeref when fighting BDKM natsu? no the fact he can be damage from a weaken version of natsu which is his base is really pathetic. zeref endurance>august. august durability>zeref durability those are facts

 

[Axiomus]

im talking about tartrous DF natsu not current DF natsu it clear as day that he train to obtain it a year. u know as well as me that when natsu saw gray on the ground that it trigger his DF hence the emotional trigger if he can do at will like he did vs zeref he would have done eailer vs mard geer not when he saw gray on the ground that doesnt make sense. its the same logic when vs laxus flame of emotion natsu was able to beat laxus. we have never seen both natsu vs erza go all out on each other. but we knew by feats and hype and protrayal that erza>natsu its common sense their buddy. and talking about be4 the TS. did i say Pof erza didnt beat kyokya? natsu had pof but couldnt beat the big bad mard geer without gray help. facts erza>natsu and the feats show it in tartrous arc with DF he was stronger its as simple as that.

did u hear me complain about natsu beating those people u mention??? again irrelevant stuff. hades with out stomps franmath the guy is weak as hell. i already told u that franmath having his power =/= hades own power level. franmath get s no diff by laxus and erza mid diff him. natsu need help no if buts and how. franmath>natsu at that time.

gildartz show better feats than natsu. able to biltzs august. tank his attacks. natsu didnt tank his attack he had to negate it but did it to a certain extent. gildartz no diff jacob a feat that natsu couldnt do without going FDKM. a causal roar from isnt oneshoting ajeel like laxus didnt with a casual nuke something gildaartz could do easily.

sorry i dont see any injuries from august just see a perfectly fine august with no starches http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/527/8. again ur talking about zeref endurance not his durability and that is solo because of his immortality not gonna hold that again him. FH zref shouldnt be spitting blood from base punches with stronger version couldnt. the panels u show me from BDKM natsu and zeref are nothing alike to the current fight. did u see blood from zeref when fighting BDKM natsu? no the fact he can be damage from a weaken version of natsu which is his base is really pathetic. zeref endurance>august. august durability>zeref durability those are facts

We were told Natsu trained to learn how to use Igneel's power, not to master dragon force. DF is really something that Natsu use instinctively when he gets pushed to his limits. Are you saying Erza would beat Mard Geer if she was in Natsu's shoes? Again, why would Franmalth be weaker than Hades if Franmalth literally absorbed Hades? Franmalth should be as strong as Hades without his heart. He can also absorb magical power, so Laxus and Erza would only beat him if they did what Natsu did with the rock.

What attack from August did Gildarts really tank? August didn't throw any big nukes at Gildarts, except for Ars Magia which Gildarts probably wouldn't have tanked. Natsu didn't negate the attack so that only he could survive. He negated it so that Happy, Lucy, and Mest were relatively unharmed as well. Natsu has managed to land shots against Zeref. Gildarts never fought Jacob. You can see the marks on August after he emerges from the rubble. August is coloured darkly so it's hard to see them clearly, and they don't really show up on subsequent panels. Still, Zeref's scratches are very minor. It's silly to suggest that August is on a whole different level compared to Zeref based off a few bruises. Zeref looks way more beat up after fighting Igneel-powered Natsu. Just look at their conditions side by side. You don't think the scratches on Zeref had any blood?

 

[Arjuna]

We were told Natsu trained to learn how to use Igneel's power, not to master dragon force. DF is really something that Natsu use instinctively when he gets pushed to his limits. Are you saying Erza would beat Mard Geer if she was in Natsu's shoes? Again, why would Franmalth be weaker than Hades if Franmalth literally absorbed Hades? Franmalth should be as strong as Hades without his heart. He can also absorb magical power, so Laxus and Erza would only beat him if they did what Natsu did with the rock.

What attack from August did Gildarts really tank? August didn't throw any big nukes at Gildarts, except for Ars Magia which Gildarts probably wouldn't have tanked. Natsu didn't negate the attack so that only he could survive. He negated it so that Happy, Lucy, and Mest were relatively unharmed as well.

Natsu has managed to land shots against Zeref. Gildarts never fought Jacob. You can see the marks on August after he emerges from the rubble. August is coloured darkly so it's hard to see them clearly, and they don't really show up on subsequent panels. Still, Zeref's scratches are very minor. It's silly to suggest that August is on a whole different level compared to Zeref based off a few bruises. Zeref looks way more beat up after fighting Igneel-powered Natsu. Just look at their conditions side by side. You don't think the scratches on Zeref had any blood?

I also want to point out something.August's durability is nothing legendary.When he was hit by Cana's Cards he uttered exclamations of pain.

 

[**Silver**]

I also want to point out something.August's durability is nothing legendary.When he was hit by Cana's Cards he uttered exclamations of pain.

blame stupid story writing its obvious that August was nerfed against Gildarts and Cana...

Cana cards ----> Cs+Jellal

 

[Arjuna]

blame stupid story writing its obvious that August was nerfed against Gildarts and Cana...

Cana cards ----> Cs+Jellal

Or rather Holder Magic effects August while Caster Magic can't.

 

[CaptainTorch]

He was going all out against Mard Geer. If he went all out against Tempester, he would have been exhausted. He wasn't. He went on to fight Mard. If dragon force is considered an emotional trigger, then the same can be said about Erza's POF against Kyouka. I am pretty certain you're just looking for any excuse to downplay Natsu.



Natsu didn't lose. Those abilities are what gave Natsu a hard time, not their skill in combat or the power of their attacks. Erza would struggle against these opponents for the same reason that Natsu would. Erza doesn't have access to any of the abilities that would make Natsu struggle the same way he did against Jackal or Franmalth. A fight between Erza and Natsu would be based on their hand to hand combat skill, durability, speed, and power. None of which Erza outclasses Natsu by a significant enough margin to beat him mid-diff.

There's no reason Igneel coming out of Natsu's body would have any effect on his power level. Dragon Force was his own power.

I agree with your points concerning Natsu and FH Zeref, but I disagree about Tartaros Natsu.
Currently, Natsu, is not on par with FH Zeref. Giving him a few scratches doesn't mean a thing. Zeref's durability was never the highest within the Spriggan - I always thought August had better durability. Doesn't make FH Zeref weaker than August though. People tend to forget that absorbing FH didn't improve Zeref's Durability - it just gave him overpowered as hell abilties. And yet Natsu punches him, and people jump to conclusions :/

In tartaros, Natsu really wasn't that strong. I wouldn't say he was that far from Erza, but she was clearly above him. Tartaros showcased in a way, that Natsu was weak - hence why the timeskip. Of course, Natsu was still mid-tier Nine Demon Gates level, but not top tier in the slightest. That's just wanking him.

 

[Demon Hunter]

I wonder what will people say when Natsu blows away Zeref in the next chapter.

I wonder what kind of counter argument are they gonna use for Zeref.