Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[**Silver**]

I wonder what will people say when Natsu blows away Zeref in the next chapter.

I wonder what kind of counter argument are they gonna use for Zeref.

something like this Zeref has never been stated to be the second strongest character....

 

[Raven]

something like this Zeref has never been stated to be the second strongest character....

Actually FH Zeref should be on a bar with Acnologia not 2nd strongest. If Natsu defeated him next chapter then he is Acnologia level

 

[LaGOAT]

We were told Natsu trained to learn how to use Igneel's power, not to master dragon force. DF is really something that Natsu use instinctively when he gets pushed to his limits. Are you saying Erza would beat Mard Geer if she was in Natsu's shoes? Again, why would Franmalth be weaker than Hades if Franmalth literally absorbed Hades? Franmalth should be as strong as Hades without his heart. He can also absorb magical power, so Laxus and Erza would only beat him if they did what Natsu did with the rock.

What attack from August did Gildarts really tank? August didn't throw any big nukes at Gildarts, except for Ars Magia which Gildarts probably wouldn't have tanked. Natsu didn't negate the attack so that only he could survive. He negated it so that Happy, Lucy, and Mest were relatively unharmed as well.

Natsu has managed to land shots against Zeref. Gildarts never fought Jacob. You can see the marks on August after he emerges from the rubble. August is coloured darkly so it's hard to see them clearly, and they don't really show up on subsequent panels. Still, Zeref's scratches are very minor. It's silly to suggest that August is on a whole different level compared to Zeref based off a few bruises. Zeref looks way more beat up after fighting Igneel-powered Natsu. Just look at their conditions side by side. You don't think the scratches on Zeref had any blood?

for 10 months we dont know about the remaining 2 months could be possible he obtain DF in those months. the guy was push to his limits vs mard geer be4 gray save him. he coudlnt go DF then we he saw gray on the ground he got an emotional boost hence the DF. no i didnt say that erza>mard geer dont know where u got that from. erza using nakamagami armor trashes franmath laxus blitzes him be4 he can even use his absorption. no franmath on base hades lvl lol stop hades>9 demons gate mard geer is the only that is on his level or perhaps higher. do u think franmath is the strongest out of the 9 demon gates?

gildartz tank august attacks and was getting up. natsu "tanked that attack"' because it was a heat base attack which he can negate its questionable if he can tank other of august attacks plus he can only negate it to some extent not the whole thing so that show he couldnt stop his full attack.doesnt matter natsu didnt fight GS. there werent any starches on august body he tanked like a boss. doesnt matter zeref has FH zeref he shouldn't be getting damage from base natsu its mean his durability isnt that great its a simple as that. remember base natsu from tenrou couldnt starch zeref but current base natsu can i guess current lucy kick can him damage too

@CaptainTorch thank u for explaining that i never once said august>zeref i said that august durabality>zeref durability but he getting confuse with me saying that august>zeref

 

[Evgeniu]

Zeref:

1. two shotted top 3 spriggans

2. one shotted natsu in DF in new form

3. easily contered by POF

POF > everythining in FT

 

[LaGOAT]

Actually FH Zeref should be on a bar with Acnologia not 2nd strongest. If Natsu defeated him next chapter then he is Acnologia level

ur funny u that right but if zeref doesnt show any feats that is around acno lvl i guess ur wrong but like just play that game if base natsu beats Fh zeref then natsu shouldnt have any problems soloing acno by himself in his base form

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Zeref:

1. two shotted top 3 spriggans

2. one shotted natsu in DF in new form

3. easily contered by POF

POF > everythining in FT

when did zeref two shot the top 3 spriggans

 

[Evgeniu]

ur funny u that right but if zeref doesnt show any feats that is around acno lvl i guess ur wrong but like just play that game if base natsu beats Fh zeref then natsu shouldnt have any problems soloing acno by himself in his base form

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when did zeref two shot the top 3 spriggans

kiling Larcade in front of natsu

 

[LaGOAT]

kiling Larcade in front of natsu

oh i misread the post u said spriggans as in a plural word but ya he twoshot a spriggan while already fatigued and tired a feat that kagura could do

@natsulucy august tank cana cards plus the attack from gildartz that didnt do anything to august the reason why he was dodging it because he cant copy/nuffiy it

 

[Arjuna]

ur funny u that right but if zeref doesnt show any feats that is around acno lvl i guess ur wrong but like just play that game if base natsu beats Fh zeref then natsu shouldnt have any problems soloing acno by himself in his base form

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when did zeref two shot the top 3 spriggans

FH gives you unlimited amount of magic power.That is more than Acnologia can muster.And also both August and Irene admitting only Zeref can defeat Acnologia if he gets FH.

 

[Demon Hunter]

and yet he cannot beat base Natsu

 

[Axiomus]

I agree with your points concerning Natsu and FH Zeref, but I disagree about Tartaros Natsu.
Currently, Natsu, is not on par with FH Zeref. Giving him a few scratches doesn't mean a thing. Zeref's durability was never the highest within the Spriggan - I always thought August had better durability. Doesn't make FH Zeref weaker than August though. People tend to forget that absorbing FH didn't improve Zeref's Durability - it just gave him overpowered as hell abilties. And yet Natsu punches him, and people jump to conclusions :/

In tartaros, Natsu really wasn't that strong. I wouldn't say he was that far from Erza, but she was clearly above him. Tartaros showcased in a way, that Natsu was weak - hence why the timeskip. Of course, Natsu was still mid-tier Nine Demon Gates level, but not top tier in the slightest. That's just wanking him.

It's debatable the difference between Zeref's durability and Augusts. Sure, Zeref can be scratched more easily. Zeref does use any magic that physically enhances his body, whilst August does with his red mode. Keep in mind that without it, we have seen that Brandish can pierce August with a sword. In any case, Zeref can tank punches from Igneel powered Natsu, which would likely kill anyone who is not immortal. If Gildarts' arm contained holder magic with the same power level as Igneel's, August would most likely be dead.

Disagree about what for Tartarus Natsu? I can accept that Erza is stronger than base Natsu, or maybe even slightly stronger than LFD Natsu. Dragon Force was Tartarus Natsu going all out with his own power. I haven't seen a single argument against this so far. There's no evidence whatsoever from the manga to back this up, and it doesn't even make sense as speculation. Unless dragon force is during is far weaker than before, it should put Natsu on Laxus or Jellal's level for the time it's active. Saying that he required power of feelings to activate it is fair only if we acknowledge that Erza also required power of feelings to beat Kyouka. Even if you believe that Erza is stronger than Natsu, saying Erza would mid-diff Natsu is downplaying Natsu.

 

[LaGOAT]

FH gives you unlimited amount of magic power.That is more than Acnologia can muster.And also both August and Irene admitting only Zeref can defeat Acnologia if he gets FH.

unlimited power lol the guy is struggling to beat base natsu. obviously i know he cant kill natsu because of plot but he cant put him down. judging from the next chapter title it seems that natsu will trash zeref with a roar in base form but we shall see

 

[Axiomus]

unlimited power lol the guy is struggling to beat base natsu. obviously i know he cant kill natsu because of plot but he cant put him down. judging from the next chapter title it seems that natsu will trash zeref with a roar in base form but we shall see

You do realize that Acnologia is going down when Natsu has to fight him too, right?

 

[Arjuna]

unlimited power lol the guy is struggling to beat base natsu. obviously i know he cant kill natsu because of plot but he cant put him down. judging from the next chapter title it seems that natsu will trash zeref with a roar in base form but we shall see

Zeref haven't used any spell till now on Natsu.They only used physical fights.

You do realize that Acnologia is going down when Natsu has to fight him too, right?

I can already imagine people will say August>Acnologia then.

 

[LaGOAT]

You do realize that Acnologia is going down when Natsu has to fight him too, right?

lol of course i know that not be surprised if he solos him in his base mode

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Zeref haven't used any spell till now on Natsu.They only used physical fights.

I can already imagine people will say August>Acnologia then.

like he hasnt in this whole entire series ya like that will change now?? lol doubt but we shall see next chapter

 

[Axiomus]

I don't know why you think Natsu is going to be in base form or that he's going to roar. I get that yonkou translated the chapter title to roaring dragon's flame, but 荒ぶる竜の炎 isn't actually at all similar to 火竜の咆哮. 荒ぶる means fierce or rough. 竜の炎 means flame of a dragon. When I read the title, I didn't get the impression that Natsu was going to roar or that he was going to be in base form.

 

[Arjuna]

lol of course i know that not be surprised if he solos him in his base mode

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like he hasnt in this whole entire series ya like that will change now?? lol doubt but we shall see next chapter

Uf why do you have to edit your original post to add a new post.


Okay regarding August

True neither Gildarts's Haja Kensei-Zetten or Cana's cards didn't take August down but that doesn't mean he wasn't injured.When he was hit by Cana's cards he uttered exclamations of pain which means he felt pain.He was also injured by a sword sized knife.Moreover August's durability comes because of his resistance to caster magic,so he can't resist Igneel power like holder magic.And also if he feels pain from Cana's cards he isn't resisting a direct hit from Igneel powered FDKM like Zeref.

Secondly,Zeref used spells against Igneel powered Natsu.

I don't know why you think Natsu is going to be in base form or that he's going to roar. I get that yonkou translated the chapter title to roaring dragon's flame, but 荒ぶる竜の炎 isn't actually at all similar to 火竜の咆哮. 荒ぶる means fierce or rough. 竜の炎 means flame of a dragon. When I read the title, I didn't get the impression that Natsu was going to roar or that he was going to be in base form.

MS's translation is slightly different.

They translated it as "Wild Dragon's Flame".

 

[LaGOAT]

It's debatable the difference between Zeref's durability and Augusts. Sure, Zeref can be scratched more easily. Zeref does use any magic that physically enhances his body, whilst August does with his red mode. Keep in mind that without it, we have seen that Brandish can pierce August with a sword. In any case, Zeref can tank punches from Igneel powered Natsu, which would likely kill anyone who is not immortal. If Gildarts' arm contained holder magic with the same power level as Igneel's, August would most likely be dead.

Disagree about what for Tartarus Natsu? I can accept that Erza is stronger than base Natsu, or maybe even slightly stronger than LFD Natsu. Dragon Force was Tartarus Natsu going all out with his own power. I haven't seen a single argument against this so far. There's no evidence whatsoever from the manga to back this up, and it doesn't even make sense as speculation. Unless dragon force is during is far weaker than before, it should put Natsu on Laxus or Jellal's level for the time it's active. Saying that he required power of feelings to activate it is fair only if we acknowledge that Erza also required power of feelings to beat Kyouka. Even if you believe that Erza is stronger than Natsu, saying Erza would mid-diff Natsu is downplaying Natsu.

and u have yet to counter my arguments

I don't know why you think Natsu is going to be in base form or that he's going to roar. I get that yonkou translated the chapter title to roaring dragon's flame, but 荒ぶる竜の炎 isn't actually at all similar to 火竜の咆哮. 荒ぶる means fierce or rough. 竜の炎 means flame of a dragon. When I read the title, I didn't get the impression that Natsu was going to roar or that he was going to be in base form.

lol we shall see next chapter


@natsulucy because u posted that post while i was editing that one
zeref tank BKDM natsu simply because of his immortality not because of his durability hence why he cant feel pain vs august who isnt. him getting pierce by brandish is simply because he was off guard wasnt expecting it coming. and the fact of the matter than he didnt get damage from those attacks proves it. also when igneel ripped anco arm. we didnt see anco scream in pain does that mean he isnt in pain?

 

[Axiomus]

for 10 months we dont know about the remaining 2 months could be possible he obtain DF in those months. the guy was push to his limits vs mard geer be4 gray save him. he coudlnt go DF then we he saw gray on the ground he got an emotional boost hence the DF. no i didnt say that erza>mard geer dont know where u got that from. erza using nakamagami armor trashes franmath laxus blitzes him be4 he can even use his absorption. no franmath on base hades lvl lol stop hades>9 demons gate mard geer is the only that is on his level or perhaps higher. do u think franmath is the strongest out of the 9 demon gates?

gildartz tank august attacks and was getting up. natsu "tanked that attack"' because it was a heat base attack which he can negate its questionable if he can tank other of august attacks plus he can only negate it to some extent not the whole thing so that show he couldnt stop his full attack.doesnt matter natsu didnt fight GS. there werent any starches on august body he tanked like a boss. doesnt matter zeref has FH zeref he shouldn't be getting damage from base natsu its mean his durability isnt that great its a simple as that. remember base natsu from tenrou couldnt starch zeref but current base natsu can i guess current lucy kick can him damage too

@CaptainTorch thank u for explaining that i never once said august>zeref i said that august durabality>zeref durability but he getting confuse with me saying that august>zeref

This is assuming he specifically trained to use it. I don't think Natsu required any training to use it, or that he even knows whats going on when he enters dragon force. When Natsu uses dragon force before, it's never been something in which he consciously activates. It's just something that happens when he receives enough magical power.

Franmalth wouldn't be damaged by the magical behind Nakagami armour. Even if Nakagami can cut magic, he doesn't even use magic. Nakagami would just be a regular lance against Franmalth. Hades w/Grimoire Heart is on that level. Hades without Grimoire Heart is considerably weaker. I think Franmalth is immune to magical attacks, and that he has better nukes than everyone but Silver with his Amerterasu spells. His durability is poor against non-magical physical attacks though, so that prevents him from being above Torafusa or Tempester.

Again, what attack has Gildarts tanked that would take out Natsu? Just because Zeref has a few scratches on his face, doesn't mean August can take attacks that Zeref can't. A few scratches on Zeref's face doesn't change the fact that Zeref is immortal, and even attacks fueled by Igneel's powers cannot knock him out. Add Fairy Heart to the mix, and Zeref can literally reverse all the damage done to him even if his body is torn apart.

MS's translation is slightly different.

They translated it as "Wild Dragon's Flame".

Yeah, that was much closer to my translation of "Fierce Dragon's Flame".

 

[Arjuna]

and u have yet to counter my arguments


lol we shall see next chapter


@natsulucy because u posted that post while i was editing that one
zeref tank BKDM natsu simply because of his immortality not because of his durability hence why he cant feel pain vs august who isnt. him getting pierce by brandish is simply because he was off guard wasnt expecting it coming. and the fact of the matter than he didnt get damage from those attacks proves it. also when igneel ripped anco arm. we didnt see anco scream in pain does that mean he isnt in pain?

That's a round about way of saying what i am saying.

Zeref could survive such an attack because his durability is legendary due to his immortality.It doesn't matter whether he can do because of his immortality but the fact remains that he can do that.

And surely Acnologia felt pain.But he didn't express.August also felt pain but the difference it he expressed it.


Seriously @Emperor Spriggan your boy Zeref is getting underrated a lot.And i am ardently fighting for him.I demand thousand Dollars from you as my fees.

 

[LaGOAT]

This is assuming he specifically trained to use it. I don't think Natsu required any training to use it, or that he even knows whats going on when he enters dragon force. When Natsu uses dragon force before, it's never been something in which he consciously activates. It's just something that happens when he receives enough magical power.

Franmalth wouldn't be damaged by the magical behind Nakagami armour. Even if Nakagami can cut magic, he doesn't even use magic. Nakagami would just be a regular lance against Franmalth. Hades w/Grimoire Heart is on that level. Hades without Grimoire Heart is considerably weaker. I think Franmalth is immune to magical attacks, and that he has better nukes than everyone but Silver with his Amerterasu spells. His durability is poor against non-magical physical attacks though, so that prevents him from being above Torafusa or Tempester.

Again, what attack has Gildarts tanked that would take out Natsu? Just because Zeref has a few scratches on his face, doesn't mean August can take attacks that Zeref can't. A few scratches on Zeref's face doesn't change the fact that Zeref is immortal, and even attacks fueled by Igneel's powers cannot knock him out. Add Fairy Heart to the mix, and Zeref can literally reverse all the damage done to him even if his body is torn apart.


Yeah, that was much closer to my translation of "Fierce Dragon's Flame".

ya although im assuming that doesnt mean that he didnt obtain it in the TS. in fact natsu only have trouble activate on is own which IMO shouldnt take that long to master. i mean we dont know if it took wendy an entire year to obtain her own but we just know she was able to get on her own during the TS. and im not saying that natsu and wendy are equal/same people im just saying it doesnt require that much training to activate on his own just like LFD. natsu was consciously know when he was in DF lol what do u mean. in fact natsu always knows when he received a power boost.


yes he can lol nakamgami armor cut magic itsself him using hades attacks are magical attacks his curse is absorbion thats it erza cut his magic and proceeds to one shot with her lance simple as that. plus he was alone able to abosorb hades when was dead. do u think he can beat hades even with the power to absorb magic?? natsu doesnt have way of counter franmath and franmath was tanking natsu attacks without his absorbtion anyways.

do u think natsu can blitzs august the way gildartz did? i already told u that gildartz can causal beat ajeel unlike natsu. that a fact. again ur bringing zeref endurance and using that as durability. im not saying that august can tank ig bdkm natsu. there is a difference between endurance and durability zeref ENDURES the attacks while august tanked the attacks without receiving damage. and thats the problem he received no damage from DF natsu but he getting them from base natsu