Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[**Silver**]

From the feats shown, there's no evidence to prove that Laxus would beat Gray in a direct fight. On the other hand, I'm not saying that Gray is definitely stronger than Laxus either. But it's possible.

The only form of comparison we have is their most recent performances. With that said, I think Gray performed better against Invel and END than Laxus did against Wahl. And I consider Invel to be on the same tier as Wahl.

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To be fair, Invel only caught Gray in his Ice Lock spell because Gray was distracted by Brandish grabbing Natsu, Lucy, and Happy. He had his back turned towards Invel.

To make matters worse, Gray was Ice Locked with Juvia, which suggests that you need 2 people to perform that spell. We have no idea if Ice Lock works on only 1 person.

In a solo fight, Gray would likely have not allowed Invel to use Ice Lock on him. Also, there wouldn't have been a second person for Invel to trap Gray with.

so what if there is needed two people still Gray was stabbed and literally died after that....yeah Gray was battling against end there is no evidence that even August can bypass Dimaria age seal,so with this logic Gray Magic power and overall stats surpasses even August.....

there is other good examples Ajeel almost killed Erza the same erza who defeated Irene but in the other hand Laxus Lightnig nuke is strong enough to one-shot Ajeel

Lisanna and Elfman defeated Ajeel this is how i see the powerlevels Laxus---->Lisanna/Elfman---->Irene---->Ajeel---->Erza/Wendy

 

[Tirl]

To make matters worse, Gray was Ice Locked with Juvia, which suggests that you need 2 people to perform that spell. We have no idea if Ice Lock works on only 1 person.

Why you guess so? Spell easily worked on Mavis whole fight and she wasnt able to do anything

 

[Jko]

Bro this is the panel where it was confirmed that Wahl sent them.

August is also immune to Caster magic so why did Brandish's magic work on him? Because he allowed it.Same way if he really wanted to resist it his magic power and his ability would have stopped it.

Also I don't have any counter if you dispell canon points stated by Brandish and Dimaria herself.

Like "He is immune to my magic,how strong did Irene make him"

And in the same vein by Mashima.He stated Wahl was defeated first and that is canon.

And no where it is stated that Age seal is effecting the world.Not all time stop abilities can do that.Dio from JoJo can effect the entire universe but Esdeath's Time stop can only effect a certain area of few kilometres Maximum.

Ultear's time frame exists in the time stop like she said here .It has nothing to do with her distance.Neither is all Spriggan are on same level.Dimaria is clearly stronger than Brandish.

Bro that panel states they'd look like fools if they came back with nothing, but if they did they could strut their stuff. Nothing indicated Wall sent them nor did it indicate he was above Brandish.

He to actively nullify magic.

You haven't stated anywhere in canon that it stated MP or CP was the reason. It only states power which can mean numerous things. You're only running away from the argument with your opinionated "facts". Literally DiMaria says "He's a demon there's no other explanation."
https://mangalife.us/read-online/Fairy-Tail-chapter-510-page-6.html

Also the reaching and contorting of the text is hilarious. Brandish say's "He's immune to my magic?! How strong did Irene make him?" Where did you get in that text that Brandish stated he was immune to her magic bcs his magic was stronger? Again you aren't addressing my points bcs they shut yours down by using actual canon facts.

Mashima never stated Wall loss first.

Nothing was ever stated that Brandish's or DiMaria's powers beat by more MP or CP. They got beat out by anomaly named E.N.D. and DiMaria said so herself there is no explanation other than him being a demon (refering explicitly to her previous statement of him being E.N.D.). Not does this solidly throw out the MP or CP overpowered their hax bs argument, but Mashima himself admitted that Natsu only got out of TS because he was E.N.D. http://fdzeta.com/temas/emergency-request-explain-the-mysteries-of-fairy-tail-ingles.64522/ (Volume 60 of Mira and Lucy Q&A) So again for the third time you aren't addressing my points bcs they shut your false facts of canon.
Edit: Direct from Mashima explicitly saying it's E.N.D. power that broke the timestop (and nothing to do with MP or CP.) https://mangalife.us/read-online/Fairy-Tail-chapter-518-page-22.html

Dio and Esdeath are from another show that doesn't have crap to do with this manga. Plus Esdeath only froze things around her she wasn't stopping the flow time itself or Tatsumi wouldn't have gotten out by resisting the cold lol. It was explicitly stated numerous time that DiMaria stops the flow of time which means she's stopping time itself thus it affects the entire world. Can you show a statement that states otherwise or remotely says she's only stopping a small section? No, you can't because there isn't. When Ultear affected the flow of time as well it affected the entire planet and set it back a second. Ultear's time manipulation is child's play to Dim's.

Ultear states "I can only exist within stopped time" which means the real Ultear was being affected too. Like dude you're only bringing up panels that contradict what you state. Did you think "the" Ultear that showed up was not Old Ultear? Bcs you'd be dead wrong as it shows old Ultear in a house in the woods commenting on how the girls were strong, which meant there wasn't a different Ultear in the first place. So yeah, Ultear was affected.

 

[Arjuna]

Bro that panel states they'd look like fools if they came back with nothing, but if they did they could strut their stuff. Nothing indicated Wall sent them nor did it indicate he was above Brandish.

He to actively nullify magic.

You haven't stated anywhere in canon that it stated MP or CP was the reason. It only states power which can mean numerous things. You're only running away from the argument with your opinionated "facts". Literally DiMaria says "He's a demon there's no other explanation."
https://mangalife.us/read-online/Fairy-Tail-chapter-510-page-6.html

Also the reaching and contorting of the text is hilarious. Brandish say's "He's immune to my magic?! How strong did Irene make him?" Where did you get in that text that Brandish stated he was immune to her magic bcs his magic was stronger? Again you aren't addressing my points bcs they shut yours down by using actual canon facts.

Mashima never stated Wall loss first.

Nothing was ever stated that Brandish's or DiMaria's powers beat by more MP or CP. They got beat out by anomaly named E.N.D. and DiMaria said so herself there is no explanation other than him being a demon (refering explicitly to her previous statement of him being E.N.D.). Not does this solidly throw out the MP or CP overpowered their hax bs argument, but Mashima himself admitted that Natsu only got out of TS because he was E.N.D. http://fdzeta.com/temas/emergency-request-explain-the-mysteries-of-fairy-tail-ingles.64522/ (Volume 60 of Mira and Lucy Q&A) So again for the third time you aren't addressing my points bcs they shut your false facts of canon.

Dio and Esdeath are from another show that doesn't have crap to do with this manga. Plus Esdeath only froze things around her she wasn't stopping the flow time itself or Tatsumi wouldn't have gotten out by resisting the cold lol. It was explicitly stated numerous time that DiMaria stops the flow of time which means she's stopping time itself thus it affects the entire world. Can you show a statement that states otherwise or remotely says she's only stopping a small section? No, you can't because there isn't. When Ultear affected the flow of time as well it affected the entire planet and set it back a second. Ultear's time manipulation is child's play to Dim's.

Ultear states "I can only exist within stopped time" which means the real Ultear was being affected too. Like dude you're only bringing up panels that contradict what you state. Did you think "the" Ultear that showed up was not Old Ultear? Bcs you'd be dead wrong as it shows old Ultear in a house in the woods commenting on how the girls were strong, which meant there wasn't a different Ultear in the first place. So yeah, Ultear was affected.

I don't know how can you interpret this line in a different way

"He is immune to my magic" and "How strong did Irene make him",last time I checked in FT people having more magic power is considered stronger,like Team Natsu commenting on Brandish's magic and said she is even stronger than Makarov.Or Natsu shaking from Gildarts's magic power or Wendy commenting on Gildarts's magic power in Alvarez "what obscene magic power it is" against Historia Serena.

Also Marin's statement indicates that they would have to hear a lot from Wahl if they can't bring the spy back.If he didn't send them and if they went on their own wishes why would they have to listen to him?


And you are missing that statement Dimaria made this statement not only on moving inside time but also after that statement ,"With full intent to kill".If being Demon was the only category then even Mard Here could have been immune to Age Seal.

Mashima said in chapter that Wahl was defeated and after few chapters later he shows Dimaria is defeated.It's pretty clear Wahl fell before.

What is there not to say that Ultear didn't have a connection with her younger self,something like Jellal had with his thought projection Seigrain even though they were quite far away from each other.Either that or Age Seal didn't effect Laxus and Wahl.

I had read that interview that,no where did it say END is weaker than Dimaria.(your link is broken btw)


But anyway i have made a lot of posts on this issue,you may have the last post.

 

[Axiomus]

Brandish said that the reason she could no longer affect END's tumor was because it grew to be too powerful for her. She gave a similar statement to Neinhart when her magic was unable to work on him. Dimaria's statements implied that the reason END's power could move through her time was because its power surpassed that of her CHronos Souls. Dimaria for whatever reason thought that only END could be this powerful, but in truth a bunch of characters are more powerful than END.

END's power is his curse power. It makes no sense to acknowledge that END can move through Dimaria's time because he was more powerful than her, and then refuse to accept that his curse power is greater than her magic power. Similarly, Neinhart literally makes a statement about how Irene enchanted his magic power beyond his limits. Irene didn't give Neinhart greater physical strength, nor would physical strength logically be a counter to Brandish's magic. Nor would END's physical strength be a counter to Dimaria's time stop. We have, however, seen mages of higher caliber dispel and negate magic from weaker mages. So if not magic or curse power, in what way is END more powerful than Dimaria? Same for Brandish and Neinhart.

 

[Nemispelled]

so what if there is needed two people still Gray was stabbed and literally died after that....yeah Gray was battling against end there is no evidence that even August can bypass Dimaria age seal,so with this logic Gray Magic power and overall stats surpasses even August.....

there is other good examples Ajeel almost killed Erza the same erza who defeated Irene but in the other hand Laxus Lightnig nuke is strong enough to one-shot Ajeel

Lisanna and Elfman defeated Ajeel this is how i see the powerlevels Laxus---->Lisanna/Elfman---->Irene---->Ajeel---->Erza/Wendy

I don't see Erza or Irene as particularly strong wizards. You got me mixed up with the rest of the fans.

August is at least on par with Gildartz, who is stronger than Gray.

And Gray is on the level of END, who broke through Dimaria's Age Seal.

So I think there is reasonable evidence to say that August is the strongest Spriggan and can negate Dimaria's Age Seal.


I agree that Laxus' lightning nuke probably would have oneshotted Ajeel... which is why Ajeel is a fodder Spriggan, just like Neinhart. And Lisanna and Elfman fought Ajeel when he was pretty much beaten.

Anyways, my point wasn't to explain the BS of the Alvarez Arc. It was to point out that Ice Lock wasn't a fair match between Gray and Invel.

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Why you guess so? Spell easily worked on Mavis whole fight and she wasnt able to do anything

I was under the impression that Invel casted Ice Slave on Mavis. I don't know to what extent he can use that spell, but considering that Invel didn't try it on Gray during their battle leads me to believe that it wouldn't really be effective in a real fight.

At least, not on a wizard of Gray's caliber. Otherwise, I don't see what's stopping Invel from casting Ice Slave on Natsu, Gildartz, Laxus, and Gajeel.

 

[Jko]

I don't know how can you interpret this line in a different way

"He is immune to my magic" and "How strong did Irene make him",last time I checked in FT people having more magic power is considered stronger,like Team Natsu commenting on Brandish's magic and said she is even stronger than Makarov.Or Natsu shaking from Gildarts's magic power or Wendy commenting on Gildarts's magic power in Alvarez "what obscene magic power it is" against Historia Serena.

Also Marin's statement indicates that they would have to hear a lot from Wahl if they can't bring the spy back.If he didn't send them and if they went on their own wishes why would they have to listen to him?


And you are missing that statement Dimaria made this statement not only on moving inside time but also after that statement ,"With full intent to kill".If being Demon was the only category then even Mard Here could have been immune to Age Seal.

Mashima said in chapter that Wahl was defeated and after few chapters later he shows Dimaria is defeated.It's pretty clear Wahl fell before.

What is there not to say that Ultear didn't have a connection with her younger self,something like Jellal had with his thought projection Seigrain even though they were quite far away from each other.Either that or Age Seal didn't effect Laxus and Wahl.

I had read that interview that,no where did it say END is weaker than Dimaria.(your link is broken btw)


But anyway i have made a lot of posts on this issue,you may have the last post.

She questioned how he was immune which means MP has crap to do with it as she already knew his MP, which was explicitly stated, was more powerful. How do you not understand this? Last time I checked that was completely false as Natsu rekt enhanced Neinhart and his MP isnt even greater than Makarov's. None of the FT members had MP stronger then the S12. MP =/= Attack Power or Stats as seen in the fights with the S12, Acno, and Zeref.

No, all they'd get is his flak most likely at the meeting. Marin wanted to show off instead and Brandish didnt give two fs so I don't see where he order her or that he's above her.

What are you talking about? Ultear who was old was the Ultear in the timestop otherwise Old Ultear wouldn't have known of the events within stopped time. No, that doesnt mean they were moving that means the opposite. Unless you think Kagura who was literally commenting on their fight somehow possessed the power to move in time despite getting fodderize? Or Erza and Laxus who have no MP feats higher than a S12 can either? Or that the fact that DiMaria already showed her power works on people of the same MP as her.

Where did I say E.N.D. was weaker than DiMaria. You're not reading my post at all. I said it was E.N.D.'s power that allowed him to go through her magic not because of MP or CP. It's literally explained this in the interview and the links aren't broken I just checked them.

Brandish said that the reason she could no longer affect END's tumor was because it grew to be too powerful for her. She gave a similar statement to Neinhart when her magic was unable to work on him. Dimaria's statements implied that the reason END's power could move through her time was because its power surpassed that of her CHronos Souls. Dimaria for whatever reason thought that only END could be this powerful, but in truth a bunch of characters are more powerful than END.

END's power is his curse power. It makes no sense to acknowledge that END can move through Dimaria's time because he was more powerful than her, and then refuse to accept that his curse power is greater than her magic power. Similarly, Neinhart literally makes a statement about how Irene enchanted his magic power beyond his limits. Irene didn't give Neinhart greater physical strength, nor would physical strength logically be a counter to Brandish's magic. Nor would END's physical strength be a counter to Dimaria's time stop. We have, however, seen mages of higher caliber dispel and negate magic from weaker mages. So if not magic or curse power, in what way is END more powerful than Dimaria? Same for Brandish and Neinhart.

Read above. Brandish wouldn't have questioned why her magic didn't work if she knew it was dependent on MP as he she already sensed his MP was enhanced which means she knew it was higher than hers. Actually DiMaria questions E.N.D. being stronger than the Gods and then states it could only be E.N.D. which means it wasn't power dependent. She then states that there was zero explanation besides him being a demon (E.N.D.) that he got out of time stopped. I then pulled up where Mashima confirms it was E.N.D.'s power that allowed him to do it.

E.N.D. power isnt Curse Power or it would've been stated that. E.N.D. wasn't even stated to have Curse Power in the first place. Not every Etherious uses it as seen with Larcade. Plus in the Q&A they refer to E.N.D.'s power as something different otherwise they would have said he used curse power to break out of the Magic Sealing cuffs. Irene's enchantment was the reason Brandish magic didn't work not MP. That's actually the opposite of what was shown. Weaker mages hax have worked on stronger mages multiple times throughout the series. Example Brandish magic worked on battle mode August, Mest magic worked on Brandish, Marin's magic worked on Jacob, Lucy's transform magic worked on Natsu, Erza, and Gray, Rogue and the Seven Dragon, ect. Magical power does not negate hax and it has been shown that numerous times. E.N.D. is an anomaly who has powersthat let him negate hax and he was stated to be the only thing that can do it.

 

[Arjuna]

She questioned how he was immune which means MP has crap to do with it as she already knew his MP, which was explicitly stated, was more powerful. How do you not understand this? Last time I checked that was completely false as Natsu rekt enhanced Neinhart and his MP isnt even greater than Makarov's. None of the FT members had MP stronger then the S12. MP =/= Attack Power or Stats as seen in the fights with the S12, Acno, and Zeref.

No, all they'd get is his flak most likely at the meeting. Marin wanted to show off instead and Brandish didnt give two fs so I don't see where he order her or that he's above her.

What are you talking about? Ultear who was old was the Ultear in the timestop otherwise Old Ultear wouldn't have known of the events within stopped time. No, that doesnt mean they were moving that means the opposite. Unless you think Kagura who was literally commenting on their fight somehow possessed the power to move in time despite getting fodderize? Or Erza and Laxus who have no MP feats higher than a S12 can either? Or that the fact that DiMaria already showed her power works on people of the same MP as her.

Where did I say E.N.D. was weaker than DiMaria. You're not reading my post at all. I said it was E.N.D.'s power that allowed him to go through her magic not because of MP or CP. It's literally explained this in the interview and the links aren't broken I just checked them.


Read above. Brandish wouldn't have questioned why her magic didn't work if she knew it was dependent on MP as he she already sensed his MP was enhanced which means it she knew it was higher than hers. Actually DiMaria questions E.N.D. being stronger than the Gods and then states it could only be E.N.D. which means it wasn't power dependent. She then states that there was zero explanation besides him being a demon (E.N.D.) that he got out of time stopped. I then pulled up where Mashima confirms it was E.N.D.'s power that allowed him to do it.

E.N.D. power isnt Curse Power or it would've been stated that. E.N.D. wasn't even stated to have Curse Power in the first place. Not every Etherious uses it as seen with Larcade. Plus in the Q&A they refer to E.N.D.'s power as something different otherwise they would have said he used curse power to break out of the Magic Sealing cuffs. Irene's enchantment was the reason Brandish magic didn't work not MP. That's actually the opposite of what was shown. Weaker mages hax have worked on stronger mages multiple times throughout the series. Example Brandish magic worked on battle mode August, Mest magic worked on Brandish, Marin's magic worked on Jacob, Lucy's transform magic worked on Natsu, Erza, and Gray, Rogue and the Seven Dragon, ect. Magical power does not negate hax and it has been shown that numerous times. E.N.D. is an anomaly who has powersthat let him negate hax and he was stated to be the only thing that can do it.

It's still broken

http://fdzeta.com/temas/emergency-request-explain-the-mysteries-of-fairy-tail-ingles.64522/


And Neinhart is weak physically not that his MP is low so he lost.

 

[Jko]

It's still broken

http://fdzeta.com/temas/emergency-request-explain-the-mysteries-of-fairy-tail-ingles.64522/


And Neinhart is weak physically not that his MP is low so he lost.

That link isnt broken for me (could scroll down?) and it just the Mira and Lucy Q&A in a different translation.

He had higher MP nonetheless and lost to a man with way less. The other S12 lost to people way less than their MP level too. MP doesnt mean your attack power is higher than a person with lower MP and prime example is infinite MP Zeref still wasn't a match for Acno.

 

[Arjuna]

That link isnt broken for me (could scroll down?) and it just the Mira and Lucy Q&A in a different translation.

He had higher MP nonetheless and lost to a man with way less. The other S12 lost to people way less than their MP level too. MP doesnt mean your attack power is higher than a person with lower MP and prime example is infinite MP Zeref still wasn't a match for Acno.

Broken to me



Yes that's what I said Neinhart couldn't stop phyiphys attack because he has low phyiphys but could stop Brandish's magic vecabec in his enchanted form his MP trump's Brandish's.

 

[Kyubi]

Actually, Irene did mock him. She stated that she intended to block his path (which would be ridiculous had Acnologia been trying to kill her) and compared him to the likes of Zeref, which a non-PIS Acnologia would not be pleased to hear:

Spoiler: Irene being sarcastic towards Acnologia, saying she intends to block his path

Spoiler: Irene compares Acnologia to FH Zeref

It's plain and simple. Irene wouldn't have spoken to Acnologia in a condescending tone if Acnologia treated her the same way that he treated God Serena.

Acnologia spared her life when he had no reason to.

She hardly "mocked" him. Almost every panel you posted contains her literally praising him and acknowledging his strength, even over the person she serves, Zeref. You must expect her to have been shitting herself, because she's standing in front of Acnologia, when really she just seemed (over)confident in her abilities. I'm not sure how her saying she intends to block his path is mocking. Is Natsu or any other character going up against someone who's supposed to be stronger than them, "mocking" them?

You're right though, that for whatever reason Acnologia had no intentions of killing her, which probably helped.

I don't see Erza or Irene as particularly strong wizards.

Laughable opinion, especially the bolded bit, considering you then go on to fanboy Gray into Laxus and END levels, when he's really just a tier (at best) above Erza when you disconsider the plot required need to make END and Gray seem like "rivals".

 

[WoWfan]

I think people are forgetting, that not all magic limitations are the made the same as Brandish’s where a stronger magic power makes them immune to brandish’s Magic, as far as we know, that is only her magic’s Weakness. In the q&a, It is stated to be an ability END’s power has to move through stopped time.

 

[LaGOAT]

No, Anksheram’s curse was separate from Zeref or Mavis’s power so no Acnologia cannot kill them because his strength is lesser than that of Ankhseram.

And no, it is proven the strength is not a factor, just the ability to surpass god powers.

You can’t prove that Dimaria was defeated after Wall. That is not how time magic works. And that cover doesn’t mean anything really otherwise it would be spoilers, only shows what we have seen so far. Besides that chapter is when Dimaria activated Time Stop which was the very same scene we saw while Laxus and Wall were fighting so that would be inconsistant on your part. The story follows a nonlinear narrative. And since Spriggans are same strength then by your Logic Wall would have been effected as well and Laxus would have had no problem killing him.

Except that what is Ankhseram feats? Where ur evidence that he is stronger than acno? where ur evidence that anco and Zeref fought in the past?? What u till don’t understand Him being immortal doesn’t mean he is stronger I told u this several times that he can beat some1 without killing. And Natsu proved that by beating Zeref. Meaning natsu>zeref same logic apply with acno

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@Jko what u said doesn’t make sense why wouldn’t the map shows what’s going on in a narrative way?? Hiro has proven in the manga if a fight happen before or after certain situations he usually would say it example Tartarus arc. 2. Dimaria either have limited range or it doesn’t work on certain ppl. U have no evidence that dimaria>wall. I could say that wall have the ability to find ppl weakness so he can counter that. Since u said weaker mage with Hax work on stronger mage than I guess dimaria>irene becuae that same Irene magic was counter by Wendy. Hmmm so I guess weaker mages like Wendy can go toe to toe with the second strongest spriggan but TS work on Wendy. So it means it could work on Irene too.

lol END is demon and he demons use CP don’t make it seem like END is some different type of power.

Now explain to me would dimaria TS work on acno too?? I mean how can acno counter Time?

 

[LaGOAT]

From the feats shown, there's no evidence to prove that Laxus would beat Gray in a direct fight. On the other hand, I'm not saying that Gray is definitely stronger than Laxus either. But it's possible.

The only form of comparison we have is their most recent performances. With that said, I think Gray performed better against Invel and END than Laxus did against Wahl. And I consider Invel to be on the same tier as Wahl.

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To be fair, Invel only caught Gray in his Ice Lock spell because Gray was distracted by Brandish grabbing Natsu, Lucy, and Happy. He had his back turned towards Invel.

To make matters worse, Gray was Ice Locked with Juvia, which suggests that you need 2 people to perform that spell. We have no idea if Ice Lock works on only 1 person.

In a solo fight, Gray would likely have not allowed Invel to use Ice Lock on him. Also, there wouldn't have been a second person for Invel to trap Gray with.

Laxus was sick he would ended the fight quicker he would have gray needed POF To actually beat invel

 

[WoWfan]

Apparently above Acnologia since he cannot kill someone under “HIS” curse. Zeref started this despite being weaker than Acno, he cannot kill him because of his curse. When will you realize that strength is not a factor in this case, if Acno is stronger, then he can kill Zeref and Zeref would have nothing to fear.

Actually it does since END’s power is stated to be above god powers, these different from the other curses, that is why he can move in stopped time

 

[Axiomus]

Read above. Brandish wouldn't have questioned why her magic didn't work if she knew it was dependent on MP as he she already sensed his MP was enhanced which means she knew it was higher than hers. Actually DiMaria questions E.N.D. being stronger than the Gods and then states it could only be E.N.D. which means it wasn't power dependent. She then states that there was zero explanation besides him being a demon (E.N.D.) that he got out of time stopped. I then pulled up where Mashima confirms it was E.N.D.'s power that allowed him to do it.

E.N.D. power isnt Curse Power or it would've been stated that. E.N.D. wasn't even stated to have Curse Power in the first place. Not every Etherious uses it as seen with Larcade. Plus in the Q&A they refer to E.N.D.'s power as something different otherwise they would have said he used curse power to break out of the Magic Sealing cuffs. Irene's enchantment was the reason Brandish magic didn't work not MP. That's actually the opposite of what was shown. Weaker mages hax have worked on stronger mages multiple times throughout the series. Example Brandish magic worked on battle mode August, Mest magic worked on Brandish, Marin's magic worked on Jacob, Lucy's transform magic worked on Natsu, Erza, and Gray, Rogue and the Seven Dragon, ect. Magical power does not negate hax and it has been shown that numerous times. E.N.D. is an anomaly who has powersthat let him negate hax and he was stated to be the only thing that can do it.

I don't see why you would come to that conclusion. This is what Brandish said:

Spoiler: He's immune to my magic now? How strong has Irene made him?

Spoiler: Neinhart on Irene's enchantment

Spoiler: Brandish's magic cannot affect END's tumor is because the tumor is more powerful

than her]

Neinhart said so himself that Irene enchanted his magic powers beyond his own limits. In other words, she boosted his magic power. Brandish's inability to affect Neinhart was due to the magnitude of that boost. It's dependent by how strong Neinhart was. Brandish has stated elsewhere that the reasons she cannot affect END was because its power was more powerful than hers. Yes, Neinhart is immune to Brandish's magic because of Irene's enchantment, but Irene didn't arbitrarily enchant Neinhart with a counter to shrinking magic. That would have been the most useless thing ever. Irene had no possible way of knowing Brandish would switch sides, and the whole reason she enchanted Neinhart in the first place was because Neinhart was complaining about how Erza was too strong. A random immunity to shrinking magic does nothing to solve that. August wasn't resisting against Brandish's magic, because she was using it to heal him. He wasn't resisting. It should be noted that August actually has a hax ability that would make himself immune to both Dimaria and Brandish's magic, yet he specifically allowed Brandish's magic to work on her. END and Neinhart have no such ability.

Spoiler: More power than a god

What Dimaria actually said was, "How could someone move inside my time? How could he have more power than a god? Only END could...". It should be noted that Dimaria never finished her last sentence, but either way it doesn't matter. The implication of her statement was that END moved through her time because he was more powerful than a god. It was Dimaria's opinion that only END could be this powerful, but we know there are characters way more powerful than END. We also know that Dimaria also knows that people weaker than END can move through her time, because Ultear can do it. So either way, whether it be the ability to move through her stopped time or possessing the power greater than that of a god, it's been proven it's not exclusive to END. Quite frankly, it doesn't matter if END uses curse power or magic power (though its ability to let Natsu break free of the anti-magic handcuffs implies curse). Whatever power END uses, it just has to be more powerful than Brandish's/Dimaria's magic power.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Who is stronger between Laxus and Gray simply comes down to perspective. Gray Devil Slayer Magic surpasses Warrod Magic the 3rd Wizard saint who was superior to Jura from whom Laxus was only slightly stronger. So during the Tartarous arc based on that Gray's Magic>Laxus magic,

Then in Alveraz you take into consideration Gray was able to hold his own against partial E.N.D who was powerful enough to no sell Dimaria's time stop, Brandish Mass manipulation power and Nienheart enchanted strength.

Although it doesn't really matter given power isn't kept consistent in this manga.

 

[Loke]

Laxus>Gray. Gray could force a stalemate at best via Lost Iced Shell.

 

[Valhalla]

What GMG and Alvarez taught us about power scaling in FT --> its rubbish
END ability, CS, sheer power, nothing is explained properly. So in the end we are left with what the characters were saying and even thats not enough, but Mashima went simplistic and just posted this:

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In the end its END power and thats straight from Mashima himself, take it or leave it, its up to you ... i interpreted this as END power, or should i say the Demon seed's power and immunity to powers that are even god tier. Doesnt matter if there are characters more powerful than END and i doubt there are (Natsu didnt even go full END, we never saw the full extent and i cant even back up if there is a full extent, screw you Hiro), fact is END power/Demon seed power is designed to be immune to even got tier magic acording to Mashima Q&A. We saw characters beating other characters with far greater MP levels and this is no different even if someone could beat END. Thats my final opinion that wont change. Others have their own opinion

 

[LaGOAT]

Apparently above Acnologia since he cannot kill someone under “HIS” curse. Zeref started this despite being weaker than Acno, he cannot kill him because of his curse. When will you realize that strength is not a factor in this case, if Acno is stronger, then he can kill Zeref and Zeref would have nothing to fear.

Actually it does since END’s power is stated to be above god powers, these different from the other curses, that is why he can move in stopped time

being curse with immortality doesn’t prove strength cause any1 can get curse with immortality but again the guy doesn’t have no feats other than cursing some1 how do that prove he is stronger than acno?
Idk if we read the same manga but who won the fight between natsu and zeref? Ok then.. So ur point is moot acno>zeref even if immortal. Irene said herself when fighting acno (she didn’t know if FH would haven’t beaten him either)