Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Kimoho]

If Brandish's magic can affect Gray at his strongest, then that would mean Neinhart is stronger than Gray at his strongest. That would make END less impressive for struggling so much with Gray.

Except Brandish's magic also worked on August then again Gray had a rage boost against END something he didn't have against the skull dragon slayer guy .

 

[WoWfan]

Except Brandish's magic also worked on August then again Gray had a rage boost against END something he didn't have against the skull dragon slayer guy .

Well August likely allowed Brandish to effect him to heal his wounds, Remember he has power of feelings at that time with the determination to protect others and his friends while fighting skull dragon.

 

[Kimoho]

Well August likely allowed Brandish to effect him to heal his wounds, Remember he has power of feelings at that time with the determination to protect others and his friends while fighting skull dragon.

Exactly August allowed it and Gray didn't even react to it so Brandish's magic affected him ( he's k.o after all ) , according to Invel rage is the feeling that power up Gray's Des magic .

 

[WoWfan]

Exactly August allowed it and Gray didn't even react to it so Brandish's magic affected him ( he's k.o after all ) , according to Invel rage is the feeling that power up Gray's Des magic .

Natsu was unconscious and yet Brandish could not effect him, that is the same thing as with Gray’s situation since he couldn’t react to it as Natsu couldn’t react as well, all that matters is that if they can be effected or not with the level of power they have, and in both instances show that they were at peak power and condition (not Natsu but besides the point) Gray can still use power of feelings since he uses magic as well

 

[Kimoho]

Natsu was unconscious and yet Brandish could not effect him, that is the same thing as with Gray’s situation since he couldn’t react to it as Natsu couldn’t react as well,

No it's not the same thing , Brandish couldn't affect the seed because it got stronger trying to turn Natsu into a full demon .

 

[WoWfan]

No it's not the same thing , Brandish couldn't affect the seed because it got stronger trying to turn Natsu into a full demon .

Natsu was unconscious though and it was a part of him, and by extension, she could not effect him even when he is not conscious, it is a matter of whether the target has more power than her own or not, and Gray was at his strongest, it doesn’t stat they have to be unaware to effect others

 

[GL_Nova]

Laxus edges Jellal

 

[Woodenstool]

Natsu is the strongest character in the series. He destroyed White Zeref who has infinite magic and controls space and time. He probably solos Naruto verse because he can easily materialize.

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Half Dragon Natsu murdered stomped Animus, who absorbed the Dragon Cry which is dozens of times stronger than Etherion and covered the whole continent

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Well August likely allowed Brandish to effect him to heal his wounds, Remember he has power of feelings at that time with the determination to protect others and his friends while fighting skull dragon.

Burden of proof is on you since you made a truth claim, we have feats proving that brandish's magic works on August caliber mages. August doesnt have high resistance.

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Brandish's magic can affect anyone on her level or weaker than her. She couldn't affect someone fart stronger than her like enchanted Neinhart. Neinhart was never proven to be physically weak. We've gone over this. He is not a summoner, he is a molding mage. Summoners have never proven to be weak either. If Brandish's magic can affect Gray at his strongest, then that would mean Neinhart is stronger than Gray at his strongest. That would make END less impressive for struggling so much with Gray. Even factoring the slayer advantage, Natsu went from stomping someone far stronger than Gray with his own powers to stalemating Gray with END's powers. Compare this to a dragon like Animus. Natsu would have had a slayer advantage against Animus, but Animus still managed to poke a hole through Natsu. That would have killed Natsu if not for massive PoF boost unlocking his half dragonized form. Why couldn't END do to Gray what Animus did to Natsu?

As it happens to be, Gray wasn't even in his demon markings when Brandish shrunk him. Skarion's attack actually shocked him out of the black markings when it landed, and the damage of that attack has Gray knocked out even now. I would argue Gray was in terrible shape when Brandish shrunk him.

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So youre saying August is weaker than Neinhart post enchant because brandish couldnt use magic on him.

 

[WoWfan]

Well August has shown massive resistance via his negation of High level spells such as Fairy Glitter, which was even stronger than Jura of the Wizard Saints. And a Mage’s magic power can vary depending the situation, power ups, mental concentration, Magic drain, etc.. so August can very well allowed Brandish to heal him with her magic.

I do not think he can solo the Naruto verse as they have higher stats end of series

 

[Woodenstool]

Well August has shown massive resistance via his negation of High level spells such as Fairy Glitter, which was even stronger than Jura of the Wizard Saints. And a Mage’s magic power can vary depending the situation, power ups, mental concentration, Magic drain, etc.. so August can very well allowed Brandish to heal him with her magic.

I do not think he can solo the Naruto verse as they have higher stats end of series

What you say contradicts the manga because we have evidence of Brandish healing August. EoS August probably tops at DMS Kakashi, he got blitz by Gildarts. But I know August would beat the dragon eaters and the entire FT guild via hax and copy magic to negate everything. He is like the human acnologia, immune to magic.

 

[WoWfan]

No, I am saying that it would not make sense if Brandish can just effect anyone regardless of magic power, as her limit is those with magic power levels at or below hers. It makes sense that August would allow her to affect him by that means,

 

[GL_Nova]

What you say contradicts the manga because we have evidence of Brandish healing August. EoS August probably tops at DMS Kakashi, he got blitz by Gildarts. But I know August would beat the dragon eaters and the entire FT guild via hax and copy magic to negate everything. He is like the human acnologia, immune to magic.

Tops at SMS Kakashi? In what? He's a higher tier than he is, or did I miss something? Do you mean in the series overall? Sorry that just kind of threw your post off for me.

 

[afromarco005]

The character doesnt matter as long as they are in "power of friendship" mode anyways

 

[WoWfan]

So pretty much everyone? Since they can use power of feelings?

 

[Jko]

I think it's pretty clear that none of them are actually going all out. They don't want to kill the dragon in the first place and I think it would be kinda weird for Natsu to one second be completely against it and the next second going all out trying to kill it. I mean even in this chapter Natsu was reluctant to use his secret art because he thought it would hurt Mercfovia. That's why he closed his eyes after he unleashed the attack. Doesn't matter how strong they are if their hearts aren't really in it they won't be able to unleash as much power. Regardless of this the overall power levels haven't changed. Natsu and CO struggling against an opponent that is far stronger than a spriggan tier doesn't make them weaker than the spriggans they already beat. The only alive Spirggans that could still possibly beat Natsu is Brandish and that's only because of how haxed her magic is. Natsu oneshot Jacob and Dimaria's Timestop won't work on him. Remember Natsu had already broken out of his chains b4 END power awakened so his resistance to timestop is something he naturally has. Dimaria can't beat him.

Timestop and spacial magic only doesnt work on savage flame Natsu. This Natsu is nowhere near that level so their magic hax will work.

No, he only has time resistance in his E.N.D. form. He only broke out of the magic seal cuffs due E.N.D.'s power. Mashima has already stated this.

 

[Jko]

Actually it said that He looked at lucy mistaked her for dead then his END powers awakened. Also Savage flame isn't some kind of special mode that natsu enters. It's literally the same power he's been using since the beginning of the series called flame of emotion. The angrier he gets the stronger and hotter his flames become. THis isn't something that he only had during that fight, he just pushed it to the limit that time and as a result his flames got so hot that they burned his own fire resistant skin.
Also it's funny how you can't think of anyway the defeated spriggans can win aside from hax. Hax doesn't dictate overall combat prowess. Marin can completely shut down Erza's magic due to hax but he's not overall stronger than her and someone the same level as Erza that doesn't use spatial magic will beat him easily. It's the same reason why even though DImaria can do something as haxed as stop time, she's not considered stronger than Irene. Even if Natsu can't resist the time stop(which he can) it doesn't change the fact that he's stronger than her.

No, it said he used his E.N.D. powers to break the cuffs and hit DiMaria. He then saw Lucy not moving -> assumed she was dead -> went rage mode -> hit DiMaria -> left.

Savage Flame is Natsu at his most emotional state. He cannot use that form willy nilly and I call it a form since it is again not something he can use willy nilly.

Who cares if they win via hax? It's their hax therefore it's their win. Natsu cannot bypass them therefore he loses. Only a sore loser would whine that they lost the match bcs their opponents powers are not power level dependent.

Irene has a way to get out of it. Also you know she has Dragon Scales? DiMaria can't hurt her. Natsu can't resist timestop (only E.N.D. can) therefore he gets his head chopped.

 

[GL_Nova]

All this is showing is that FT was in no way ready to fight the Alvarez army let alone Acnologia and Zeref tier level opponents.

And I don't agree that FT could massacre the S12. DiMaria, Brandish, Jacob, and a couple others that aren't bound by PIS could legit f over FT easily. It has been a 1 year skip but it was never mentioned they trained over that year so don't expect a high level growth like the previous timeskip. FT has no reason to get stronger unlike last time. Right now FT doesn't have the ability to get pass the hax of the high tiers let alone top two S12s.

Hiro is now not on a ticking timer so there isn't anymore BS like Erza smacking Acno out the sky with Heaven's Wheel. Therefore the originals PLs are back in place.

FT is finally getting back to what FT used to be which is a good thing. Finally adversaries aren't PISed and the OP tier opponents aren't getting oneshotted. Oh and Natsu is using more than one f-ing technique.

We`ve gone over this alread though. The story doesnt support any of what you just said. Regardless of personal feelings, that's exactly what happened. FT dismantled the Spriggan. An even without stating they spent the year training, them not being stronger would contradict the steady growth shown throughout the series. All of them should be comfortably Spriggan level already. The fact their all in base during the conflict with an Acno lvl opponent only supports the growth we already saw. Especially considering August wouldn't confront Acno at all. An he was the strongest Spriggan by leaps and bounds. So they can all still be comfortably Spriggan level already, and be out of their depth against Acnologia & Zeref lvl mages who August confirmed were on another tier.

 

[Jko]

Again hax powers can't define tiers. Basing your tier scaling on hax alone doesn't really show anything about overall strength. Refer to my examples above. And refresh my memory. what can Irene do about the time stop? If you mean simply resist it do to stronger magic then that's not something exclusive to her as again in terms of overall magic Natsu is superior. Even without pushing his flames to that level (which he could do in any fight because their is no special condition that needs to be reached.) Natsu is still stronger than her.

Dude it doesn't matter if they have more attack power than them, if their hax can beat them then that means they are stronger. They have the attack power to kill them and their hax just makes it easier for them.

Never said Irene would get out of it via magic power. I said she'd have a counter just like all the people above DiMaria have.

Natsu was never stated to have superior magic power than an S12. Superior attack power =/= superior magic power.

We`ve gone over this alread though. The story doesnt support any of what you just said. Regardless of personal feelings, that's exactly what happened. FT dismantled the Spriggan. An even without stating they spent the year training, them not being stronger would contradict the steady growth shown throughout the series. All of them should be comfortably Spriggan level already. The fact their all in base during the conflict with an Acno lvl opponent only supports the growth we already saw. Especially considering August wouldn't confront Acno at all. An he was the strongest Spriggan by leaps and bounds. So they can all still be comfortably Spriggan level already, and be out of their depth against Acnologia & Zeref lvl mages who August confirmed were on another tier.

All of them should be high Spriggan level yet they have a hard diff fight with the Dragon Eaters. Without PIS they ain't beating the high tier S12. Their hax is too much.

Their growth is pretty minimal and they have done nothing to suggest they are stronger than a year prior. Plot force is not activated so bs PLs have gone down back to their original levels. Gray doesn't even have Invel's ice. Erza ain't smacking Acno level characters out of the sky in a basic armor. Natsu doesn't have 7DS or SF. Jellal ain't dodging Acno tier and got insta down by a Zeref tier. Last 70 chapter or so were some of the most bs I have seen in manga. Currently that bs has thankfully been thrown out and it looks like some form of consistency in PLs have been reformed.

August was rivaled by Irene who wasn't afraid to fight Acno and took him out of the war for the most of it. August wasn't the strongest by leaps and bounds either.

 

[GL_Nova]

Dude it doesn't matter if they have more attack power than them, if their hax can beat them then that means they are stronger. They have the attack power to kill them and their hax just makes it easier for them.

Never said Irene would get out of it via magic power. I said she'd have a counter just like all the people above DiMaria have.

Natsu was never stated to have superior magic power than an S12. Superior attack power =/= superior magic power.


All of them should be high Spriggan level yet they have a hard diff fight with the Dragon Eaters. Without PIS they ain't beating the high tier S12. Their hax is too much.

Their growth is pretty minimal and they have done nothing to suggest they are stronger than a year prior. Plot force is not activated so bs PLs have gone down back to their original levels. Gray doesn't even have Invel's ice. Erza ain't smacking Acno level characters out of the sky in a basic armor. Natsu doesn't have 7DS or SF. Jellal ain't dodging Acno tier and got insta down by a Zeref tier. Last 70 chapter or so were some of the most bs I have seen in manga. Currently that bs has thankfully been thrown out and it looks like some form of consistency in PLs have been reformed.

August was rivaled by Irene who wasn't afraid to fight Acno and took him out of the war for the most of it. August wasn't the strongest by leaps and bounds either.[/QUOTE

They are all Spriggan tier at this point. Natsu has 1 shot at least 2 if not 3 (Dimaria) of them? That's not really something to keep debating, they have the feats to back it up. Other than continuing to rehash your unhappiness with how it played out, it's already done. Anyone they struggle against from here on out is also presumably on that tier of strength. Diablos would have been a match for the Spriggans based on what we are seeing.

Minimal? The fact that Lucy, Wendy, Grey and Erza are fighting an Acno level opponent in base directly contradicts that statement. We see them doing better than would have been expected. As for the rest. Gray is in base and has yet to use any DS spells in this fight, you assuming he can no longer use his Zeroth Demon gauntlets is as unfounded as the argument Natsu somehow lost LFDM. An Erza used every weapon in her arsenal to push Acno. I'm sure if she attacked with all of them here, we would see similar results. We have yet to see any modes from Natsu, and SF is the basis for how his flames work. He's had the flames of emotion since the fight with Erigor. An Jellal falling to hax from a higher tiered opponent follows how the rules of the world have been the entire manga.

Irene is the only one, and she was the one who came up with DS. An her best solution was to BFR him. An I think I'll trust Brandish on this one. I see no reason she would lie.

I get you disliked the writing of the last arc, but this argument that the Spriggan were truly so superior nobody has reached their tier yet, doesn't hold water. The Spriggan were hyped as hell, like every other FT Gillian. Sadly, aside from dope hax, they didn't prove to be that far beyond the S Class mages of FT. That's the story we got. An nothing happening right now contradicts it.

 

[Jko]

In a series where magic power directly translates into attack power (literally the whole point of second and third origin) i don't see how you think that having stronger attacks doesn't mean more magic power. And you keep saying "they have counters" but don't specify what they are. Are you just making assumptions there?
Honestly I don't know why you are stuck in the past. The alvarez arc happened and its canon GET OVEE IT! nothing is going to change and pretending it doesn't exist doesnt work for the story going forth because The creators clearly have no intention of Retconning anything in that arc. Whatever Natsu and company could do during the last arc they can do now and more considering it is a year later. But as I said b4 they aren't going all out and their opponent is acno tier (much stronger than any spriggan). Them struggling in these conditions doesn't somehow retcon the entire alvarez arc. Neither does the fight against the dragon eaters. I don't know why you have this notion that the dragon eaters are supposed to be some group of weak people but they have clearly proved that to be not true. Spriggans like neinhart and jacob were easily KO ed by natsu's Fdk attacks but the armour ds took 2 of them and was still standing. That automatically makes him Spriggan tier. These guys aren't scrubs and even at that they were still forced to retreat when team ft started getting serious. Just because you didn't like the alvarez arc and want tour precious spriggans to be the pinnacle of everything (which btw they never were) doesn't mean you can start claiming retcons when there are none indicated by the creators of the series.

Neinheart has higher magical power than Laxus yet he doesn't have anywhere near the attack power of him. Magical power doesn't equal attack power. If it did, Zeref would've been the strongest person in the verse but he wasn't.

August -> Copy/Nullify, Zeref -> Time mage, Acnologia -> Dragon of Magic, SF/7DS Natsu -> Space-time burning flames. Like I said all the versions besides Irene has shown a counter to the move. By key statements of DiMaria the only one who can just walk through it is E.N.D. which is an anomaly meant to bypass the curse of contradictions. So Irene most likely had a counter by just deductive reasoning.

And they are weaker get over it. Dude they can beat some S12s, but they are not beating the high tiers or top tiers. They just aren't on the level as they have no way to bypass their hax.

They struggled against the Dragon Eaters who are far less powerful than the high tier S12s let alone the top tiers so it does contradict the showings in the Alvarez arc.

Jacob was taken out by an FDKM attack that vaped Lake Sciliora instantly. Natsu attack on Madmole didn't even vape the ship. The difference in attack is astronomical. Not to mention Jacob didn't use his hax which would've easily killed Natsu.

Who said the S12 are the pinnacle of power? The high tier and top tier S12 are just stronger than FT. The 5 Dragon Gods and Touka are the only ones in the sequel that are above the S12s as they are God tiers in the series. The Alvarez power levels have been retconned and now they are fighting on the level they were originally at.

Current arc Erza with DS -> Cant flinch the WDG.

Alvarez arc Erza w/o DS -> Smack RoT Acno out of the sky.

You really don't see the difference in power? Lol, c'mon...

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They are weaker.

Lucy doesnt have Fairy Sphere. Erza with DS magic can't smack an Acno tier opponent out if the sky. Gray lack Invel's ice. Natsu doesn't have SF nor 7DS. They are clearly weaker from the last arc and that's due to Mashima being on a ticking clock so he gave them BS boosts.

How does Diabolos measure up to the high tier S12 let alone the top tier?

Brandish never said August was the strongest. She said Irene rivalled August for the strongest and that without Brandish even knowing Irene was a Dragon.

My dislike from the last arc doesn't have anything to do with PL status as of now. They aren't as strong as the Alvarez high tier let alone top tiers.