It is relevant as his magic Jutsu Shiki contains MBP, even Laxus’ statement “Of there is someone who can erase the Jutsu Shiki, then they can erase the MBP in me too.” makes the connection, if it was killing Gajeel’s magic, then he would not have gained a new form, even Bloodman would not have be able to use magic yet he did despite him being composed of MBP. The difference is that one was not punched through the air, unable to defend himself, and the other wasn’t. And just like any magic, Madmole’s was based on defense, take that away and he is nothing, even with it he was still defeated. Mira is a rival to Erza, in an interview Hiro made a statement about it. Plus Mira had an advantage of Jacob closing his eyes, though he could use some sort of sixth sense to hit her. Um What scratch? There was no scratch on Bloodman’s head, even when punching again, Bloodman stopped his attack physically, so he can match his strength. He didn’t slip away as Gajeel physically grabbed him. Gajeel was lamenting on how he was always behind the other Slayers, he was not strong enough to use DF on his own (or even if it was DF), yet he did so after he ingested the particles with the iron, that is why he is stronger than before and outmatched him when he didn’t before physically or magic wise
. Even if Freed's enchantments are also made out of anti-magic particles, that wouldn't change the fact that eating Bloodman's particles would destroy the ethernano in your body. It would just mean that if you ate Freed's enchantment, the anti-magic particles would also destroy the ethernano in your body. That just means you wouldn't get a power-up from eating Freed's enchantments either. Again, anti-magic particles destroy ethernanos:
Even if you argue that curses are just a type of magic, the fact of the matter is that curses are different enough from magic that you can wipe out all the magic on Ishgal and still have it not effect any curse user. They are different enough that Gajeel initially thought Bloodman wasn't as powerful as the other Spriggans because he didn't sense the magic power coming from Bloodman.
There is nothing suggesting that Gajeel's new form is dragon force. Gajeel's new form is just him covering himself in black iron scales. Gajeel can make regular iron scales without entering dragon force. Eating the anti magic particles allowed Gajeel to change the properties of his magic to match that of Bloodman's curse. There's nothing to imply that this isn't just Gajeel covering himself curse equivalent of his regular iron scales. If you don't believe 2nd gens have Dragon Force just because they can make scale patterns, then Gajeel's black iron form shouldn't be considered dragon force either. Especially since Gajeel is the one dragon slayer in which we know for a fact that can make scales without entering dragon force. Also, the first time Dragon Force was introduced, it was in chapter 98. The title is literally named "Dragon Force".
I will never understand why people think entering FDK mode is somehow more impressive than launching multiple FDK attacks. The mode is just Natsu releasing a bunch of flames. It doesn't physically change his body or anything. When Natsu uses an actual FDK attack, he is taking the exact same flames and actually hitting you with it.
It doesn’t matter whether you eat them or not, it is just that Jutsu Shiki is composed of them, Laxus was obviously incompatible while Gajeel is. Yet we comeback to Face’s Ethernano that steal magic yet the Ethernano that enriched the air was eaten by Wendy and powered up. You are ignoring the fact that Bloodman who’s very being is made of MBP used magic and has magic power, while small, it is still there and Bloodman is not effected by it. So no, you cannot deal in absolutes like that when there is information that begs to differ. DF or no, Gajeel has never demonstrated that ability or type of scales until he powered up against Bloodman, and we have seen him go hand to hand with Bloodman prior and take hits and he is just fine, Gajeel obviously doesn’t have the strength. And curse has power and that is a power up for Gajeel, making him stronger than Bloodman and more efficient to attack, his dragon scales are just an ability of Iron DS Magic, not DF, we know that already.
Not sure where the argument about Face came from, but Face doesn't use MBPs. Supposedly in volume 43 it says Face works like an EMP pulse, sending out a wave of Ethernano that disrupts magic. The Ethernano itself is of course concentrated magic, not MBPs, so a perfectly reasonable power up
However, the principle still remains that those Ethernanos steal magic, and Wendy ingested those particles, but that is besides the point about MBP which still is a powerup for Gajeel and still exists in magic still allows magic to exist, with with Bloodman who uses Devil Slayer Magic
No, Ethernano doesn't steal anything. When Face uses Ethernano to cast it's spell it disrupts magic, but Ethernano by itself is just plain magic. What Wendy ate wasn't the Face's spell, just the pure Ethernano surrounding one of the heads.
Ezel stated that it is those ethernanos that will steal the magic of the continent, not the spell itself. So yes it is particles that steal magic, and Wendy ate it
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Ezel stated that it is those ethernanos that will steal the magic of the continent, not the spell itself. So yes it is particles that steal magic, and Wendy ate it
No, they kill magic, it was mentioned in the very fight. It's canon. Whatever Freed does is unknown and irrelevant. What is known, and what is relevant is that MBPs were killing Gajeel's magic, because it happened in the fight.
Natsu spams FDK moves, he used it casually on Madmole. Jacob is nothing to him, he's just a ordinary spriggan, no threat to Natsu. Natsu didn't need PoF or anything to beat Jacob, he was simply superior. Far superior. Casually superior. Mashima didnt revert Natsu to below his casual strength. It'd be like deleting Natsu's year of training, utterly ridiculous. Even Mirajane could beat Jacob, and she's obviously not on Natsu's level.
No, Bloodman used his intangibility to slip away from Gajeel and got overpowered when he tried to attack physically. Why would he have a scratch from a headbutt? Bloodman's body is made of MBPs, he can literally make a hole in his face and reform it with no consequences. The only way to hurt Bloodman physically is by being the same element. I shouldnt have to say this.
Gajeel has always been able to cover his body in scales. And if it is DF, then that just means Gajeel is powerful enough to use it, since MBPs canonically weaken magic. And no one is saying he transformed with normal iron, he transformed because he changed his element to match Bloodmans, as stated.
Freed makes Magical Barrier shields lol. It was literally stated to be composed of the same MBPs that were effecting Laxus which is why he fought Wall. Anti magic is magic and can be used by magic users thus they are empowered by magic.
FDKM >>> Base FDK Natsu and that's why the mode exist. FDKM is Natsu using FDK moves at the max of what they can be. The mode heat emitted from entering the mode instantly vapes the water in the area. He did not do anything of such to Madmole and hard time cooking Madmole despite showing a way higher heat level while using FDKM then when he used a base FDK attack. Natsu is undoubtedly weaker or holding back due to him not wanting to kill. Mira's not on Natsu level? Mira is at least equal to Erza who is a tier above Gajeel lol. Natsu as of right now is performing worse than Erza level which is a shame bcs he did so well in Alvarez.
Except Bloodman caught his punch and was shown to physically get hit by Gajeel's attack. He has to actively turn into MBPs, it's not a passive ability just like Juvia's water body and Ajeel's sand body. MCBs body was countered by Juvia in the Keith fight and Rogue's shadow magic lol.
Gajeel never covered himself in Black Scales like that. His body is a glossy silver with no scale patterns on his body (after the first time his Iron body was shown the scales went away (retcon most likely so they didn't think they were using DF) just like Laxus' scale body). Even when he turned to steel his body was not scaly. His "scales" were actually scales and they were pitch black. Except he himself stated prior to eating those MCBs that he could not enter DF... so the MCBs did power him up.
Also you guys are still with this "it's toxic" spiel yet we have seen countless times that DS eating toxic things and still power them up as long as it has a high concentration of magic. Eating other elements is toxic to DS yet Natsu ate Laxus' lightning, and he ate Etherion lacrima's despite Etherion have countless other magics within it. And it was stated by Jellal to be toxic to him. Being toxic means nothing to a DS as long as they can consume it they can power up from it. This has already been established. It was double edge sword due to him turning into MCBs, it had nothing to do with weakening him and he came out with a transformation and new abilities. So again he got a power up which was clear as day with his transformation.
Nobody is saying you can't power-up from eating something that is toxic. We're saying that you can't get a boost in magical power eating something that literally destroys magic power. Anti-magic particles literally destroy the building blocks of magic. Curse powers are different enough from regular magic that face will destroy the ethernano in the atmosphere and leave all the mages powerless, while leaving curse users completely unharmed. They are different enough that Gajeel simply could not recognize that Bloodman as being Spriggan level. If you believe that Freed's runes can also generate anti-magic particles, that just means anybody who tries to eat those runes would not receive any magic power and have the particles destroy the ethernano within their bodies as well.
There is no such thing as "base FDK". FDK spells are performed with FDK flames, and those flames are simply different from his regular flames. The mode is just Natsu releasing a bunch of those flames to cover himself. The heat might burn up people who have poor durability, but it won't take out anyone who can tank actually getting hit by those flames. Natsu's strongest usage of "FDK Demolition Fist" wasn't even with the mode. It was when he used it against Zeref to burn Fairy Heart, and the flames then were way hotter than when he fought Jacob. The mode doesn't matter. What matters is how much effort Natsu puts into his attacks.
Mirajane is not on Erza's level. Just compare their respective performances against Irene. Mirajane exhausted all her magic power fighting inanimate objects that Irene enchanted, and Irene herself toyed with Mirajane. Erza got her bones smashed by Irene's dragon form, and still muster enough strength to smash Irene's best onscreen enchantment. Right now Mirajane and Elfman are currently fighting Lucy, and still haven't oneshotted her yet. Kyria oneshotted Lucy and Wendy casually with her roar. Kyria even injured Mercphobia. Erza is going toe to toe with Kyria. None of Mirajane's feats stack up against Erza's Alvarez or 100YQ feats.
Also, Natsu has defeated Gajeel in less time than it takes for Mirajane to defeat Lucy. You're the one trying to convince us that Jacob has top tier durability that surpasses Madmole's, and hand to hand combat that matches Wall's. Mirajane apparently oneshotted Jacob with a single punch from Satan Soul. Now she's landed several hits on Loke and Lucy last chapter.
Even when that substance is part of a magic itself or even does not destroy all magic? Because Bloodman while as MBP is literally using magic so it doesn’t work in the absolute. They are different not because he has no magic, because it was insignificant meaning that is not substantially large like the other Spriggans. Natsu did not use FDK mode or Demolition Fist to defeat Zeref, it was his Savage Flames, it does matter when putting against different types of magic with different purposes. I am going with what the Author said, that the two are roughly around the same level, Mira already exhausted her power when using her strongest form, Lucy is no push over, as she likely has other modes too from combo dresses. Remember Mira while being possesses still retains her personality, and remember, she is not using her strongest form either so she is holding back.
It's different enough from regular magic that it doesn't mix. Eating anti-ethernano particles simply destroys the ethernano within your body. Since ethernano is literally the building blocks of magic power, you can't eat anti-ethernano to increase your magic power.
FDK Demolition Fist was literally the actual attack that Natsu used against Zeref in their final exchange. Savage Flames isn't the name of an actual spell. It's what Zeref used to describe the flames that Natsu's power of feelings were making.
So let me get this straight. Lucy, who got oneshotted by Kyria, has better durability than Madmole? The same Madmole that Natsu could not defeat despite pushing himself past his limits with an FDK spell stronger than demolition fist?
Doesn’t mix? Where is that stated? We do not even know how Curse power operates in the body, Because Bloodman is literally a being composed entirely of MBP, Magic should not exist in him, yet he does, it does exist in him, that is very paradoxical, the only conclusion is that MBP either does not work entirely/absolutely or it does have some magic itself, like how it was able to exist as components for Jutsu Shiki. I stand corrected, but still, DF and FDKM is not his strongest forms, his strongest is the Savage Flames., she is a blade DS, blades can be durable, and are technically more durable than armor depending what they are made of. That was not Natsu’s limits, his limits would be warping the fabric of reality with his Savage Flames, it doesn’t matter if it isn’t a spell, it is the name given in that state, the same heated flames he stated cannot use again, so no. Even when Natsu was not in FDKM when fighting the DS, yet used FDKM when fighting Spriggans? Even then that 5DS were at a disadvantage and could likely not fight anymore so they had to retreat.
Nobody is saying you can't power-up from eating something that is toxic. We're saying that you can't get a boost in magical power eating something that literally destroys magic power. Anti-magic particles literally destroy the building blocks of magic. Curse powers are different enough from regular magic that face will destroy the ethernano in the atmosphere and leave all the mages powerless, while leaving curse users completely unharmed. They are different enough that Gajeel simply could not recognize that Bloodman as being Spriggan level. If you believe that Freed's runes can also generate anti-magic particles, that just means anybody who tries to eat those runes would not receive any magic power and have the particles destroy the ethernano within their bodies as well.
There is no such thing as "base FDK". FDK spells are performed with FDK flames, and those flames are simply different from his regular flames. The mode is just Natsu releasing a bunch of those flames to cover himself. The heat might burn up people who have poor durability, but it won't take out anyone who can tank actually getting hit by those flames. Natsu's strongest usage of "FDK Demolition Fist" wasn't even with the mode. It was when he used it against Zeref to burn Fairy Heart, and the flames then were way hotter than when he fought Jacob. The mode doesn't matter. What matters is how much effort Natsu puts into his attacks.
Mirajane is not on Erza's level. Just compare their respective performances against Irene. Mirajane exhausted all her magic power fighting inanimate objects that Irene enchanted, and Irene herself toyed with Mirajane. Erza got her bones smashed by Irene's dragon form, and still muster enough strength to smash Irene's best onscreen enchantment. Right now Mirajane and Elfman are currently fighting Lucy, and still haven't oneshotted her yet. Kyria oneshotted Lucy and Wendy casually with her roar. Kyria even injured Mercphobia. Erza is going toe to toe with Kyria. None of Mirajane's feats stack up against Erza's Alvarez or 100YQ feats.
Also, Natsu has defeated Gajeel in less time than it takes for Mirajane to defeat Lucy. You're the one trying to convince us that Jacob has top tier durability that surpasses Madmole's, and hand to hand combat that matches Wall's. Mirajane apparently oneshotted Jacob with a single punch from Satan Soul. Now she's landed several hits on Loke and Lucy last chapter.
MCBs have magic in them as they are produce from magic as shown when Freed uses them in Justu Shiki. If they have magic in them then that means a power up can be given. Not once has a transformation made someone weaker or the same level of strength as their base form. Trying to say Gajeel is the exception is bs. You guys are banking on something that is nothing and it was already shown that Gajeel doesn't get his magic eaten or his body poisoned when consuming MCBs.
There is a huge difference. FDKM uses Natsu FDK at a way higher heat than his Base FDK flames emit. Zeref already noted this within their fight. And Natsu uses base FDK hits on fodder, if the FDK Demo-fist wasn't stronger in FDKM then why even enter the mode to do it in the first place? There wouldn't be a point in a mode if the attack isn't stronger within it. SF Natsu is Natsu on fudging BS steroids. Dunno how a form that is his strongest w/o external power up is being brought up when he know his flames changed to the point it burned space-time.
Lmfao, are we really using Erza's PIS bullshit as feats now? Erza would scrub Laxus and Jellal at the same time with all her bones broken if we are going there then. Didn't know you actually use those trash feats... W/o them they are around the same level of power. Erza was getting beaten around by fodder Irene enchanted so dunno why people still think Heine and Juliet are some weak scrubs.
Natsu and Gajeel concluded before the fight with Mira kinda shows crappy Natsu's endurance has gotten. I mean if Lucy is still up taking hits from Mira while exhausted then I dunno why Natsu is already out of power. Kind of funny that Lucy can outlast Natsu in a fight. Oh and why are we acting like Lucy hasn't taken the same hits Natsu has and was as fine as him after taking said hits? Lucy is very tanky and took hits that would've down Natsu in the past. Also Lucy is a MC and if she loses then she becomes WW's slave which isn't happening in FT. Good guys are going to come out on top and Lucy's fight is honestly just stalling so Mira doesn't interrupt other fights.
Also also, Mira isn't fighting for her life like she did against Jacob and she isn't alone like she was against Jacob. We all know Mira holds back when in front of others.
Anti-magic particles literally destroy magic power. Just because Freed's enchantment can produce them, doesn't mean they can now be eaten for a power-up. It means that whoever eats Freed's enchantments would suffer the same effects as if they ate anti-magic particles. There is no rule saying that a transformation must involve an increase in magic power or physical strength. There's not even a logical reasoning for it. You're just saying that other characters with transformations happen to have had a power-up (for different reasons), and therefore Gajeel must have a power-up too. That's a non-sequitur. What about Natsu transforming into Lucy? What about Gemini transforming everyone into fish? What about Erza's seduction armor? At the end of the day, Gajeel ate a tiny amount of iron mixed with a bunch of anti-magic particles that destroy ethernano. There's no reason to assume eating a bunch of anti-magic particles would give Gajeel a major boost in magic power. Any magical power Gajeel would have received from that mix would have only came from the tiny amount of iron. What it actually did was change the properties of Gajeel's magic into that of curse power, and that alone doesn't equate to an increase in physical strength.
There's no reason to believe that FDK mode makes Natsu's FDK attacks stronger at all, and Zeref never any comments on this. Fire Dragon King mode is just a way for Natsu to light himself and the area around him up with FDK flames. The flames themselves are still FDK flames, and the mode doesn't increase Natsu's physical strength or increase his magical power. What you are essentially trying to say is that "Fire Dragon King mode flames" are somehow different than "Fire Dragon King flames", and that the former are hotter. Which wouldn't even be true because the hottest flames Natsu has ever used is an FDK spell without the mode. "Savage flames" is just Natsu's power of feelings at their max. It's not even a real mode or named attack. It's just a comment Zeref made when observing Natsu's flames. Natsu has never even heard of the term "savage flames" because it's all inside Zeref's head. As far as Natsu knows, he used an FDK Demolition Fist backed up with the emotions he had for his guild. The mode hardly matters. All that really matters is how much effort and magic power Natsu is putting into any particular attack.
This is the classic Jko argument isn't it? Don't like something? Call it BS and pretend it's not relevant. It is a canon fact that Erza did far better than Mirajane against Irene. This is true even if we ignore the meteor splitting feat altogether. Erza could land hits on Irene's human form. Erza and the rest of the guild were overwhelmed by the entire Alvarez Army. Juliet and Heine aren't stronger than the entire army even without the berseker enchantment. Also, Erza never ran out of magic power. Not after fighting Ajeel. Not after facing Neinhart. Not even after getting all her bones crushed by Irene and then splitting the meteor. The only thing keeping Erza down were physical injuries she sustained throughout her fights.
Natsu and Gajeel concluding before the fight ended with Mirajane doesn't show that Natsu's endurance is bad. It shows that Natsu is stronger than Mirajane for being able to defeat an opponent stronger than Lucy in a shorter period of time. The fact that Natsu is almost out of power only means that Gajeel takes a lot more power to defeat than opponents that Natsu could just steamroll in the previous arcs, including Jacob. Since when have Lucy ever taken a hit that would down Natsu? Name a single attack that Lucy has tanked that would knock out Natsu.
That doesn’t mean it can’t be sustained as magic, or let magic exist, like with Bloodman, Uh, when you transform, it is common for the user to get a power up of some kind, it involves increase in one’s stats. But we are explicitly talking about Gajeel as his transformation is unique compared to the others as he became stronger and possessed the means to permanently hit Bloodman. And the increased power that came from Bloodman as it was part of him. Changing the properties is not enough as he was too weak to physically put down Bloodman as he tanked his hits and blocked it before the power up, and his form was seething with power and the ground was shattering, no natural iron can do that without some sort of external factor to give it the means. It does, and I cannot believe you are saying that, the mode basically increases his abilities, Zeref does not need to comment, it is obvious who FDKM works. Yet demolition fist or any other FDK attacks are standard without a power boost from the FDK mode, we have seen this happen before and after. Savage Flames are when the heat he produces surpasses the limit which is hot enough to effect Time itself, which in physics is ludicrous temperatures, The mode does matter because even Flames of Emotion has it’s limits and would hurt him. Mira had no means to fight back, stop hating for no reason. Erza is just that good, she is the character trope of FT of pure badassery.
Gajeel transformation in bloodman fight is most likely his strongest form he has ever attained.
That is how mishma normally writes
So it is a possibility and huge possibility that gajeel got some serious power up from MBP
Otherwise i think it would have been mentioned that gajeel didnt gain any power
Mira and erza arent equal and most likely never will be.
Erza is mishma favourite
Mira is sadly not even a relevant character in fighting
Freed makes Magical Barrier shields lol. It was literally stated to be composed of the same MBPs that were effecting Laxus which is why he fought Wall. Anti magic is magic and can be used by magic users thus they are empowered by magic.
FDKM >>> Base FDK Natsu and that's why the mode exist. FDKM is Natsu using FDK moves at the max of what they can be. The mode heat emitted from entering the mode instantly vapes the water in the area. He did not do anything of such to Madmole and hard time cooking Madmole despite showing a way higher heat level while using FDKM then when he used a base FDK attack. Natsu is undoubtedly weaker or holding back due to him not wanting to kill. Mira's not on Natsu level? Mira is at least equal to Erza who is a tier above Gajeel lol. Natsu as of right now is performing worse than Erza level which is a shame bcs he did so well in Alvarez.
Except Bloodman caught his punch and was shown to physically get hit by Gajeel's attack. He has to actively turn into MBPs, it's not a passive ability just like Juvia's water body and Ajeel's sand body. MCBs body was countered by Juvia in the Keith fight and Rogue's shadow magic lol.
Gajeel never covered himself in Black Scales like that. His body is a glossy silver with no scale patterns on his body (after the first time his Iron body was shown the scales went away (retcon most likely so they didn't think they were using DF) just like Laxus' scale body). Even when he turned to steel his body was not scaly. His "scales" were actually scales and they were pitch black. Except he himself stated prior to eating those MCBs that he could not enter DF... so the MCBs did power him up.
Also you guys are still with this "it's toxic" spiel yet we have seen countless times that DS eating toxic things and still power them up as long as it has a high concentration of magic. Eating other elements is toxic to DS yet Natsu ate Laxus' lightning, and he ate Etherion lacrima's despite Etherion have countless other magics within it. And it was stated by Jellal to be toxic to him. Being toxic means nothing to a DS as long as they can consume it they can power up from it. This has already been established. It was double edge sword due to him turning into MCBs, it had nothing to do with weakening him and he came out with a transformation and new abilities. So again he got a power up which was clear as day with his transformation.
Totally irrelevant. The MBPs in Gajeel's fight were killing his magic, that is relevant, because it was mentioned in the fight.
Evaporating the water? That's your argument lol? Heating up the water means nothing. And I mean literally nothing. Base Natsu melted an entire stadium at the start of the Avatar arc, and yet when he fought Zeref he couldn't melt the guild's chairs. What Natsu melts during his fights mean absolutely zero.
Natsu beat Jacob casually, he was a joke to Natsu, Natsu hasn't fallen below his joke tier strength, don't be ridiculous.
Mira hasn't been equal to Erza since before the manga began, and she has performed worse than Natsu since Tartaros/GMG. Arguably earlier.
Obviously, those scales were black because Gajeel changed his element to Bloodmans. Gajeel never stated he couldn't enter Dragon Force and if that form was Dragon Force, he could've unlocked it the same way Natsu did against Mard. Gajeel is a near even match for Natsu, so obviously killing the likes of an ordinary spriggan is well within his means, which is why he did it in his actual fight, despite the enormous disadvantage.
No one give's a shit about MBP's being "toxic", we say Gajeel ate poison purely because that's what Bloodman says. What we give a shit about is the fact that MBPs actually eat away at magic, and were specifically stated to do so in that fight. The other "toxic" things DS eat don't do that, in fact they always have enormous amounts of power in them.
Erza scrubs everyone bar Natsu with all her bones crushed except her hands lol. Does that make Ajeel stronger than Deus Sema bcs he beat the shit out of Erza harder? Does that make the enchanted fodder stronger than Deus Sema bcs they were manhandling her?
I'm sorry but there's so much I can take in a debate and when people start pulling out the Erza vs Irene that's when I walk towards the door lol. We literally see Erza get blitzed by Irene and all of her attacks nullified by non trying Irene. We then see Irene beating the crap out of Erza while in Wendy's body and she couldn't even land a single hit on an Irene that was in a weaker body and wasn't even trying. You can say what you want, but that fight is factually full of bullshit. Irene was out of Erza's depth and she would have fodderized her if Erza wasn't PoF Queen. There's like everything in the manga that shows Erza was outclassed. You also forget that Erza goes on and slams RoT Acno out of the sky as well, but we can use that feat with your logic right? Why are people comparing Laxus who fought human spirit Acno and couldn't even budge him to Erza? Erza could beat his ass, Jellal's, Mira, Gildarts, Gray's and Gajeel's with one arm. Also why do you act like Mira could even fight Irene when she just depleted her magic lol?
Totally irrelevant. The MBPs in Gajeel's fight were killing his magic, that is relevant, because it was mentioned in the fight.
Evaporating the water? That's your argument lol? Heating up the water means nothing. And I mean literally nothing. Base Natsu melted an entire stadium at the start of the Avatar arc, and yet when he fought Zeref he couldn't melt the guild's chairs. What Natsu melts during his fights mean absolutely zero.
Natsu beat Jacob casually, he was a joke to Natsu, Natsu hasn't fallen below his joke tier strength, don't be ridiculous.
Mira hasn't been equal to Erza since before the manga began, and she has performed worse than Natsu since Tartaros/GMG. Arguably earlier.
Obviously, those scales were black because Gajeel changed his element to Bloodmans. Gajeel never stated he couldn't enter Dragon Force and if that form was Dragon Force, he could've unlocked it the same way Natsu did against Mard. Gajeel is a near even match for Natsu, so obviously killing the likes of an ordinary spriggan is well within his means, which is why he did it in his actual fight, despite the enormous disadvantage.
No one give's a shit about MBP's being "toxic", we say Gajeel ate poison purely because that's what Bloodman says. What we give a shit about is the fact that MBPs actually eat away at magic, and were specifically stated to do so in that fight. The other "toxic" things DS eat don't do that, in fact they always have enormous amounts of power in them.
Nope, it just shows MBPs are magic thus a power can be give if they are eaten. As long as the iron ain't normal then it can be considered he's eating a rare magical filled version of iron from the MBPs.
Except Natsu did vape the ground and was stated to turn the entire area into fire when he went FDKM lol. Also where in these fights were Natsu trying to cook someone with his heat? Or trying to use his powers effectively against sea water? He literally has a hard time getting his heat to cook Madmole and yet nothing in the area besides clothes get burnt. We then see Madmole charred while Jacob only came out with a scratched that vaped an islands worth water instantly. Say what you want, but Natsu actively raising his heat to burn someone yet not even producing a similar heat he has already shown back in Alvarez is just one big indicator that Natsu is just not as powerful.
Mira fought the undoubtedly third strongest 9D so how did she perform worst than Natsu? She also saved Erza's ass from choking herself. Also GMG? You mean where Mira was faster than Natsu could react? Or just a little show of her power scared the crap out of Natsu and Gray? And even made Laxus praise her PL?
Natsu didn't eat fire during his fight with Mard to unlock the transformation. Gajeel did and it was shown that he got access to it right after he ate it. Gajeel is fighting a weaker version of Natsu who ain't trying to kill him. The fact Bloodman took Gajeel's headbutt better than Natsu just goes to show the S12 PL is still relevant in the current era and that Natsu is weaker lol.
Jellal said the same thing about Etherion and that still powered up Natsu. You guys are harping on it weakening him which it clearly didn't. Like literally no one in this manga as ever gotten weaker from transforming. Transformation as always been buffs that make the character stronger. Gajeel is no exception.
Also Gajeel was also stated to be immune to effect of the magic eating properties of MBPs as per his own words lol.
Erza scrubs everyone bar Natsu with all her bones crushed except her hands lol. Does that make Ajeel stronger than Deus Sema bcs he beat the shit out of Erza harder? Does that make the enchanted fodder stronger than Deus Sema bcs they were manhandling her?
I'm sorry but there's so much I can take in a debate and when people start pulling out the Erza vs Irene that's when I walk towards the door lol. We literally see Erza get blitzed by Irene and all of her attacks nullified by non trying Irene. We then see Irene beating the crap out of Erza while in Wendy's body and she couldn't even land a single hit on an Irene that was in a weaker body and wasn't even trying. You can say what you want, but that fight is factually full of bullshit. Irene was out of Erza's depth and she would have fodderized her if Erza wasn't PoF Queen. There's like everything in the manga that shows Erza was outclassed. You also forget that Erza goes on and slams RoT Acno out of the sky as well, but we can use that feat with your logic right? Why are people comparing Laxus who fought human spirit Acno and couldn't even budge him to Erza? Erza could beat his ass, Jellal's, Mira, Gildarts, Gray's and Gajeel's with one arm. Also why do you act like Mira could even fight Irene when she just depleted her magic lol?
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Nope, it just shows MBPs are magic thus a power can be give if they are eaten. As long as the iron ain't normal then it can be considered he's eating a rare magical filled version of iron from the MBPs.
Except Natsu did vape the ground and was stated to turn the entire area into fire when he went FDKM lol. Also where in these fights were Natsu trying to cook someone with his heat? Or trying to use his powers effectively against sea water? He literally has a hard time getting his heat to cook Madmole and yet nothing in the area besides clothes get burnt. We then see Madmole charred while Jacob only came out with a scratched that vaped an islands worth water instantly. Say what you want, but Natsu actively raising his heat to burn someone yet not even producing a similar heat he has already shown back in Alvarez is just one big indicator that Natsu is just not as powerful.
Mira fought the undoubtedly third strongest 9D so how did she perform worst than Natsu? She also saved Erza's ass from choking herself. Also GMG? You mean where Mira was faster than Natsu could react? Or just a little show of her power scared the crap out of Natsu and Gray? And even made Laxus praise her PL?
Natsu didn't eat fire during his fight with Mard to unlock the transformation. Gajeel did and it was shown that he got access to it right after he ate it. Gajeel is fighting a weaker version of Natsu who ain't trying to kill him. The fact Bloodman took Gajeel's headbutt better than Natsu just goes to show the S12 PL is still relevant in the current era and that Natsu is weaker lol.
Jellal said the same thing about Etherion and that still powered up Natsu. You guys are harping on it weakening him which it clearly didn't. Like literally no one in this manga as ever gotten weaker from transforming. Transformation as always been buffs that make the character stronger. Gajeel is no exception.
Also Gajeel was also stated to be immune to effect of the magic eating properties of MBPs as per his own words lol.
Deus Sema is a magic rock, it can't maneuver around, it can't surround Erza, it can't do anything other than fall directly on her. If you're asking if Ajeel would be easier to cut than Deus Sema if he was falling directly on top of Erza with no way to dodge, then yes, same with a big ball of Berserkers.
Walk towards the door then, doesn't change that Erza has consistently outperformed Mirajane since the start of this manga, and continued to do so against Eileen in Alvarez. As for Natsu, in Tartaros Mira was massacred by the arguably third strongest demon gate. For GMG, Mira beat a weaker council fighter than Natsu did.
Correction, MBPs destroy magic, as actually stated in the manga, and this very fight.
Except he didn't do any of that in his fight with Zeref. What Natsu melts in his fights is totally random and totally meaningless. Not doing it one fight doesn't mean he is weaker than he was in another. Jacob was out cold from Natsu's attack, Madmole got up easily. The fact that he's charred means nothing. Madmole>>Jacob.
True, Gajeel ate magic killing poison and still managed to achieve DF(maybe, he's prob in base), unlike Natsu who luckily didn't need them to touch Mard.
Bloodman took Gajeel's headbutt because he is made of MBPs, and Gajeel didn't have the required element to hurt them at that point, obviously.
Jellal didnt say Etherion ate away at Natsu's magic. Gajeel eating MBPs weakened him, Levy and Bloodmans reactions make that clear.
