Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

We will see where FT stands with each other in strength after this wood dragon god.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Why are some people implying that Jacob is strong? Because Jacob didn't die from a FDK's attack? LOL

Jellal said that he would commit one more sin when he launched the GC on Neinhart and Neinhart survived.
Dimaria really thought that she had killed Brandish and Brandish survived.

Neinhart and Brandish have more impressive feats of scape a death attack than Jacob surviving a FDK attack that Natsu hit without killing intention.

 

[sharkai]

I dunno, maybe it’s easy to get the basics down.

Laxus isn’t an anomaly if it’s already been done since Tenrou. If anything Bixlow is the anomaly, and he might be able to do it too.

As for Erza, if she used a new magic she learned to cure an affliction she acquired from someone else before the battle that’d be fine. Her even using Grand Chariot would be fine, though it’s much more random than Laxus using some runes

that would make freed anomaly
anyone doing something which doesn't follow the same pattern is an asspull, cheap writing on mishma part.

I don't think people used freed runes in mid battle. but that still leaves the question why does jellal uses nothing else but heavenly bodies.



As for Erza, if she used a new magic she learned to cure an affliction she acquired from someone else before the battle that’d be fine. Her even using Grand Chariot would be fine, though it’s much more random than Laxus using some runes
that's a very particular case
but I will check your mood when we see gray being eaten by dragon and then suddenly goes dragon force on that dragon ass


I have made my point clear
mages don't copy other people magic in battle, even if they know them and can make battle very easy.
extremely useful magic like teleportation or water body are also never learned, no matter what, not even exceptional mages do it (jellal)

if some mage is losing and suddenly breaks out using someone else magic to win. to me that is asspull of proportion normally erza pulls (you know one where she is losing and suddenly after saying nakama she can one shot them)

people who are near freed copying his magic, gives abnormal benefit to freed groups thus deviation from general pattern and equivalent of severe ass pull for me.

that is my point.
I can say nothing more on this subject

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speech is heavily required for overblown PoF.

you can call it a PoF but it isn't overblown like the one Natsu and Erza use.

especially since Red Lightning technically isn't a power up per say.

Laxus' most powerful attack is Fairy Law.

I am not gonna talk about overblown pof with erza and natsu in the conversation
I am not that insane

I have different problem with red lightening.
why is that one lightening that wahl isn't immune to

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

that would make freed anomaly
anyone doing something which doesn't follow the same pattern is an asspull, cheap writing on mishma part.

I don't think people used freed runes in mid battle. but that still leaves the question why does jellal uses nothing else but heavenly bodies.

But we have seen Zeref and Jellal/hades use other forms magic.

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Most of the time FT has offpanel training so we can't really say everything is an asspull. We have seen ever use freed's magic.
If Erza use time stop magic suddenly then it would be ass-pull but if she used a re-equiped armor with that has ability timestop you can't really say it's an ass-pull.

 

[sharkai]

So what, they have new magic if they want if they train or study for it, they just focus on the magic they are affiliated with, and at times use new spells too, Icedd Shell is not part of Ice Make, like how Body link is not part of LDSM, or how Igneel’s flames are separate from Natsu’s own power, Yes it is, as both the mangas and anime have shown and stated. Training also means you can get more techniques, something that is very common in shonen. Gray already fought someone immune to ice magic and beat him, his name is Silver

iced shell is related to ice
thus gray doing it aint that bad
but laxus doing it is gonna be a problem

parents normally seems to give their magic to their kids
lucy natsu gray and wendy all come here (erza is the only exception, and I thought mishma loved erza )

after that it is all bad writing
a convenient way to win, equivalent to a pof power up

if people were copying other people magic, we will get much more interesting and complicated battles. but they never happen.
laxus red lightening and his rune, both to me is a complete bs way to win.
why did laxus train to make technique like red lightening, one lightening that wahl wasn't immune to? did laxus know he was gonna fight wahl an year ago?

If laxus can learn and use rune in mid battle, then why doesn't gray learn requip and gets a fast armour. ice make, ice demon slayer at a blitzing speed, he will move a tier up just by doing this
natsu can really use that teleportation magic

but we never see this.
natsu gets more fire moves
gray gets more ice moves
erza gets more armors
and nothing else

the reality of the world can easily be seen by looking at patterns.
something that deviates from that particular pattern is a asspull, as in literally being pulled out of the ass

you might have seen many boxing matches. you know how they go, their rules. if someone started to use kicks in the boxing match we are gonna have a problem

we have huge amount of battles in fairy tail. people copying others magic doesn't happen (I am not talking parent magic)

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But we have seen Zeref and Jellal/hades use other forms magic.

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Most of the time FT has offpanel training so we can't really say everything is an asspull. We have seen ever use freed's magic.
If Erza use time stop magic suddenly then it would be ass-pull but if she used a re-equiped armor with that has ability timestop you can't really say it's an ass-pull.

zeref is a particular case.
let us talk about hades

you know he taught zancrow flame god slayer magic
did you see him use it against natsu
what about time arc,

but that is what we are talking about, erza using time stop with out an armor.
fun fact jellal hasn't either. he used mystogan magic to hide his identity. once he started using meteor, there was no going back

 

[Plutogrim]

Who are the top strongest 10 girl in Fairy Tail?

My opinion
1. Irene
2. Dimaria
3. Brandish
4. Erza
5. Kyria
6. Kagura
7. Mirajane
8. Kyoka
9. Sayla
10. Wendy

 

[Seven777]

that would make freed anomaly
anyone doing something which doesn't follow the same pattern is an asspull, cheap writing on mishma part.

I don't think people used freed runes in mid battle. but that still leaves the question why does jellal uses nothing else but heavenly bodies.



As for Erza, if she used a new magic she learned to cure an affliction she acquired from someone else before the battle that’d be fine. Her even using Grand Chariot would be fine, though it’s much more random than Laxus using some runes
that's a very particular case
but I will check your mood when we see gray being eaten by dragon and then suddenly goes dragon force on that dragon ass


I have made my point clear
mages don't copy other people magic in battle, even if they know them and can make battle very easy.
extremely useful magic like teleportation or water body are also never learned, no matter what, not even exceptional mages do it (jellal)

if some mage is losing and suddenly breaks out using someone else magic to win. to me that is asspull of proportion normally erza pulls (you know one where she is losing and suddenly after saying nakama she can one shot them)

people who are near freed copying his magic, gives abnormal benefit to freed groups thus deviation from general pattern and equivalent of severe ass pull for me.

that is my point.
I can say nothing more on this subject

Uh, no it wouldn't, Mirajane taught Natsu how to transform into Lucy in a single lesson, Freed is no more anomalous than Mira is. Cana learned how to transform people into Cards from Erza/Jellal's old mate. Laxus learned Fairy Law and several other non-lightning magics. Jellal learned a random barrier spell capable of blocking an attack from Acno, as well as all Mystogans stuff. Lucy learned Fairy Sphere from a book in an an hour or so. All characters can learn new magic separate from they're basic magic. There is no set pattern, just your own mistaken presumptions.

Check back with me when that happens then.

It's just a utility spell, not much use in a fight outside what you yourself described as a "very particular case". No different than Jellal using Mystogans magic for his very situational battle, or Lucy using Fairy Sphere for that very situational circumstance. The fact that Laxus' is already a character known to learn several alternative magics and that Freed is already known for teaching it to his friends, only makes it more logical.

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Who are the top strongest 10 girl in Fairy Tail?

My opinion
1. Irene
2. Dimaria
3. Brandish
4. Erza
5. Kyria
6. Kagura
7. Mirajane
8. Kyoka
9. Sayla
10. Wendy

1. Eileen
2. Erza
3. Mirajane/Kyria
4. Dimaria
5. Brandish
6. Kyoka/Kagura/Minerva
7. Lucy/Wendy

 

[One4All]

We will see where FT stands with each other in strength after this wood dragon god.

I'm afraid we cannot finally establish their PLs as there is an interference from DEs happening, and I feel that the Wood Dragon will interrupt their fights pretty soon.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Who are the top strongest 10 girl in Fairy Tail?

My opinion
1. Irene
2. Dimaria
3. Brandish
4. Erza
5. Kyria
6. Kagura
7. Mirajane
8. Kyoka
9. Sayla
10. Wendy

How is Kagura stronger than 7-9? She doesn’t have the feats to prove it. Her best feats are from GMG which are long outdated and no longer impressive.

 

[sharkai]

Uh, no it wouldn't, Mirajane taught Natsu how to transform into Lucy in a single lesson, Freed is no more anomalous than Mira is. Cana learned how to transform people into Cards from Erza/Jellal's old mate. Laxus learned Fairy Law and several other non-lightning magics. Jellal learned a random barrier spell capable of blocking an attack from Acno, as well as all Mystogans stuff. Lucy learned Fairy Sphere from a book in an an hour or so. All characters can learn new magic separate from they're basic magic. There is no set pattern, just your own mistaken presumptions.

in battle

when did natsu ever transform in battle
why didn't cana put august in a card

all character can learn yep
hade taught zancrow flame GS magic
but for some reasons he didn't use it against natsu

jellal random spell is his own, we know nothing of it. that is not an example learning someone else magic
jellal also used mystogan magic. but only to hide his identity, not to get some advantage in battle
laxus is far below jellal in spell learning ability

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Erza > Kagura > Minerva/Mirajane

Mirajane> Kagura/Minerva. Mira has better feats. Kagura and Minerva’s best feats are from GMG which is old news.

One shotting Juliet and Heine and beating someone from the Spriggan 12>anything from GMG. Not to mention the fact that Kagura and Minerva can’t do anything against Macro.

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I just remembered that Minerva easily tanked with her shield one attack from Natsu that is powerful enough to defeat Etherious Jackals.
Damn! Minerva is just so good without plot putting down her magic.

https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0283-014.png - https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0283-015.png - https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0283-016.png

Different times in the story. She did that in the GMG and Natsu defeated Etherious Jackal in Tartaros. Tartaros Natsu is way stronger than GMG Natsu.

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Well for starters, Mirajane>Lucy>Lisanna. And you find it really impressive of her to tank an attack that came from someone who she's already stronger than that only took out Lisanna; somebody who she's also already stronger than as well? If Lucy's attack was shown to be capable of taking out someone like in Erza's level for example then you can say it is an impressive feat from Mira. But so far shown it's not. So her tanking it is nothing impressive.

It’s impressive because it was one of Lucy’s most powerful spells yet it left Mira unfazed. Even though Mira is clearly superior, it’s still a feat nonetheless.

Mira tanking that attacks means the opponent would need much more power than a SDM nuke to do serious damage to current Mira. People stay sleeping on Mira’s durability. BSS>SDM.

Also Lisanna is strong enough to help defeat Ajeel yet she wasn’t strong enough to survive Lucy’s SDM nuke. That same nuke that knocked Lisanna out barely did anything to Mira.

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[Seven777]

in battle

when did natsu ever transform in battle
why didn't cana put august in a card

all character can learn yep
hade taught zancrow flame GS magic
but for some reasons he didn't use it against natsu

jellal random spell is his own, we know nothing of it. that is not an example learning someone else magic
jellal also used mystogan magic. but only to hide his identity, not to get some advantage in battle
laxus is far below jellal in spell learning ability

Nah. If a character is capable of learning magic, then they can use it however they want, in or out of battle. I've already established pretty well that characters can, and often do learn alternative magics, how they use them doesn't matter to me. You arbitrarily deciding that magic a character knows can't be used in battle, is ridiculous. If a character can use a magic, then why shouldn't they use it when the situation arises?

As for Jellal only using mystogans magic to hide his identity, indeed, and Laxus only used Runes to cure a disease. Magic learned and used for a specific situation, nothing strange about it.

 

[sharkai]

Nah. If a character is capable of learning magic, then they can use it however they want, in or out of battle. I've already established pretty well that characters can, and often do learn alternative magics, how they use them doesn't matter to me. You arbitrarily deciding that magic a character knows can't be used in battle, is ridiculous. If a character can use a magic, then why shouldn't they use it when the situation arises?

As for Jellal only using mystogans magic to hide his identity, indeed, and Laxus only used Runes to cure a disease. Magic learned and used for a specific situation, nothing strange about it.

you didn't establish anything.
the very first point in the conversation was made by me
and it included jellal using mystogan magic

you are not getting my point at all
I know they can learn
but they never use
that is my point

it is not me arbitrarily deciding anything
characters don't use it

doesn't matter to you only because laxus is doing it.

do you know how many battles have happened in this manga
do you know in those battles how many time character have used someone else magic to get an advantage

tell me august knew all magic right? he had midnight magic right? why didn't he repel cana cards and gildarts metal arm with that magic?

 

[Demon Hunter]

I have different problem with red lightening.
why is that one lightening that wahl isn't immune to

it has Mercury Fulminate in it.

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I think that's orga. I remember seeeing a card.

hm yeah possibly.

 

[Seven777]

you didn't establish anything.
the very first point in the conversation was made by me
and it included jellal using mystogan magic

you are not getting my point at all
I know they can learn
but they never use
that is my point

it is not me arbitrarily deciding anything
characters don't use it

doesn't matter to you only because laxus is doing it.

do you know how many battles have happened in this manga
do you know in those battles how many time character have used someone else magic to get an advantage

tell me august knew all magic right? he had midnight magic right? why didn't he repel cana cards and gildarts metal arm with that magic?

You're point was that it was an asspull. My point is that using a magic you learned is not an asspull. If you have a magic you can use it, it's as simple as that. Other characters not doing it doesn't magically remove it as an option for all characters.

No, it matters to you only because Laxus was doing it. You're far more obsessed with him than me.

 

[sharkai]

You're point was that it was an asspull. My point is that using a magic you learned is not an asspull. If you have a magic you can use it, it's as simple as that. Other characters not doing it doesn't magically remove it as an option for all characters.

No, it matters to you only because Laxus was doing it. You're far more obsessed with him than me.

I didn't even start this conversation.
people just minded when I used laxus and ass pull in the same line.

but it does make a pattern
zeref, august, hades, jellal. all knows plenty of magic
but uses only their own in battle

no other character learn or try to learn
if they learn
they never use it

so to me severe ass pull
if other characters aren't doing it
it becomes a rule of sort
(because it is very hard to make a reasonable argument for other characters not learning life saving and extremely useful magic in battle)
and only laxus used it to win in an unwinnable situation (you handle this situation by simply saying it doenst matter to you)

yes for me, ass pull of severe proportion
this is to me as bad as erza not needing any senses to win.

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it has Mercury Fulminate in it.

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hm yeah possibly.

that does not help
what was laxus doing with mercury fulminate
why did laxus had it at that particular time

 

[Demon Hunter]

what was laxus doing with mercury fulminate
why did laxus had it at that particular time

I have no idea how science work.

point is, that lightning was still lightning but it had one more property - Mercury Fulminate.

he super heated it which made it explosive.

 

[sharkai]

I have no idea how science work.

point is, that lightning was still lightning but it had one more property - Mercury Fulminate.

he super heated it which made it explosive.

oooookay

so we are about to add science to magic

 

[Seven777]

I didn't even start this conversation.
people just minded when I used laxus and ass pull in the same line.

but it does make a pattern
zeref, august, hades, jellal. all knows plenty of magic
but uses only their own in battle

no other character learn or try to learn
if they learn
they never use it

so to me severe ass pull
if other characters aren't doing it
it becomes a rule of sort
(because it is very hard to make a reasonable argument for other characters not learning life saving and extremely useful magic in battle)
and only laxus used it to win in an unwinnable situation (you handle this situation by simply saying it doenst matter to you)

yes for me, ass pull of severe proportion
this is to me as bad as erza not needing any senses to win.

Not sure why you're trying to tell me who started this, and didn't you say last comment that the first point was made by you? Whatever, I don't care either way.

Sure, it's a pattern, but a pattern doesn't magically make the option disappear, a character can still pull out their rarely used magics if they choose to. If Jellal pulled out Abyss Break it wouldn't be an asspull. Characters deviating from your little "rule" of "other characters don't do it, so no one can do it." doesn't make it an asspull. If a character has a magic, then they can use or not use it whenever they want.

 

[Demon Hunter]

oooookay

so we are about to add science to magic

I mean, its not the first time Hiro does this things but eh...