Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Also like Jean said it is more of an explosive element to it so it did not have that pure lightning property. Well too bad they are around the same level as each other and are large country

They were only stated be equal in magic power. Anything else are nothing but your fanfic this they are nothing and irrelevant. Show me one cannon panel of Jacob having damage out put equal to country or even bloody city. He can't even destroy a building thus whatever your saying is irrelevant and nonsense.

 

[WoWfan]

That right there is a contradiction, you say he was engulfed yet you suggest that the fireball had any force behind it which would the. Push him outward, so it is one or the other. His flames were always the same, he just released more flames, there was no statement in change in temperature, just the amount of energy released, which is less significant than when he fought in Alvarez. Madmole was specialized in armor based magic yet got fried, Jacob was not burned at all despite being smothered by more energy than what Madmole experienced. That does not change what level power they took, if Natsu had gone FDKM, Madmole would be in worse shape than Jacob did, likely dead, as a standard FDK technique killed powerful beings such as gods. As far as I am concern, Anime only serves to clarify certain scenes, anime tends to exaggerate what was shown in the manga and should not be taken as one hundreds percent canon, the only thing canon is that he worked with adding Acno back story. So none of the Anime filler for Mira vs Jacob fight are canon. There was no proof that he as on the verge of defeat, he was already in a position that he could not fight back. It does not matter, as physical attacks are still powered by magic to a degree, it has been stated that the Spriggans scale to each other, and one of them (not the top three) can destroy countries, and Wall’s Etherion is based on radiation energy with nuclear fusion so the energy emitted are large country level at best. So that gives the statement valid claim. Etherion from the magic council is scaled to multi continent from the sheer size of the blast, it is called Scaling, yet Irene compresses an entire country the size of the US. Acno did not show any feats to match that or Merc, so by your logic Acno is weaker than most people in FT verse

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Etherion from the magic council is scaled to multi continent from the sheer size of the blast, it is called Scaling, yet Irene compresses an entire country the size of the US. Acno did not show any feats to match that or Merc, so by your logic Acno is weaker than most people in FT verse

Jacob can't use etherion so that point in irrelevant. His only good spell is Transport and rest of damage spells are non existant and irrelevant.

 

[WoWfan]

It doesn’t matter as Jacob is on the same relative level as Wall in achievements and/or abilities. Magic power is the same as strength regardless since MPF

 

[Raven]

since when Mira fought Jacob, I saw a clip here from Aximous post but im sure that didn't happen in the manga, However Jacob hax is just too op and he was only defeated due to PIS several times. Idk why you still debate about it. No point really discussing pis.

 

[WoWfan]

since when Mira fought Jacob, I saw a clip here from Aximous post but im sure that didn't happen in the manga, However Jacob hax is just too op and he was only defeated due to PIS several times. Idk why you still debate about it. No point really discussing pis.

I agree with you, but his technique required he clap his hands, seeing as he had issues with obscene things closing his eyes and fighting at the same time he didn’t really have the option to do that

He really can use that when he has the element of surprise and his enemies are unaware, but once he uses it again if failed the first time, people could counter it

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

It doesn’t matter as Jacob is on the same relative level as Wall in achievements and/or abilities. Magic power is the same as strength regardless since MPF

Show me prove for this claim other anything you say is nothing but a cheap fanfic. Jacob can't even do a barely building damage but he can destroy a country. LoL what you is write is pure comedy gold.

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I agree with you, but his technique required he clap his hands, seeing as he had issues with obscene things fighting at the same time he didn’t really have the option to do that

He doesn't need his eyes clap his hands. That was nothing but PIS fight to give a Mira a shining chance. Needless Mira is nowhere near the level of Natsu nor Laxus which this thread has been about.

 

[WoWfan]

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This entire chapter tells how magic power determines strength. Regardless of what type they use, even physical attacks


He does need both hands to clap, while he is fighting it is the same as having none at all for his technique, if she could defeat a Spriggans (albeit with a handicap) then that is impressive enough as it is

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

He does need both hands to clap, while he is fighting it is the same as having none at all for his technique, if she could defeat a Spriggans (albeit with a handicap) then that is impressive enough as it is

That doesn't put her anywhere near Laxus

 

[WoWfan]

Not saying that, just that she is capable of fighting a Spriggan, which impressive as the standard strength of the verse

 

[Axiomus]

Dude....Just look at the image. See how the explosion fills up the panel? See how you can't see the details on Madmole's body because it's obscured by the flames? You don't think any of the flames touched Madmole? Unbelievable. Madmole wasn't damaged by the flames in FDK demolition fist. He was by the flames from FDK Purgatory. It's a simple deduction.

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Madmole is conscious and Jacob was knocked out cold. This alone speaks for itself. Look at Jacob's face. He has a few scratches on his face and armor. That's it. Otherwise, he's in great condition. Jacob was absolutely on the verge of defeat from FDK mode. He was in visible pain and recoiling just from Natsu's presence. Natsu could have just stood there and watch Jacob squirm in pain. He could have just hit Jacob with a punch as hard as the one Makarov threw to just keep rag-dolling Jacob.

So you're literally cherry picking the moments you like. If Hiro Mashima worked on the anime, then the entire project should be considered canon. Not just the parts you decide is worth accepting. At the very least the anime should be more valid than any head canon. There's not a single panel of Mirajane using Satan Soul against Jacob until the final scene where she knocks him out, so the manga doesn't contradict what the anime shows. Nor does it support the idea that Mirajane was blasting Jacob with nukes.

You've missed the entire point of my last paragraph. Even if Wall's etherion is country level, Jacob's attack power simply does not scale to it. The Spriggans are equals in terms of magic power, not what they can do with that magic power. Jacob does not have country level attacks. Jacob doesn't even have attacks that scale to what Wall can do with his normal punches. You know, this is why there should be a strong emphasis on using feats. Because when you focus excessively on statements to scale and hype a character with no obvious feats, for the very obvious purpose of hyping another character, you get ridiculous outcomes like this. Apparently Jacob has joined the ranks of people with country level attack power. You know what? Fine. Then Neinhart should have this level of attack power, and should be just as strong as Wall in a physical fight too. Don't tell me Jacob is equal to Wall in all aspects because they're all Spriggans, and then tell me in the very next breath that Neinhart is a fodder.

 

[WoWfan]

That is physical force which Natsu tends to use most of the time surprisingly even explosions have blunt force to them, they are temperary though, not like actual flames which can last however long they can, in the case of dragon flames, indefinitely, Purgatory is just heated flames. Two different things, but with Jacob utilized both. Madmole was unconscious, the peuples indicate this, doesn’t change that he was regardless. He has more wounds from one attack that was not even Natsu’s strongest compared to Jacob who managed to not die from it.

Anime tends to retcon what was shown in the manga as well, even things that would not makes sense, I only said that Hiro stated that what is absolutely canon is Acno’s backstory, just like how Laxus vs T’empester was canon in anime.

It doesn’t matter since Spriggans equal to each other regardless what you want to claim, it is stated, every magic even physical attacks has magic power behind them which determines one's strength. And there is a thing called scaling which is what makes people weaker, as strong or stronger than others despite showings and what is stated in the story

 

[Jko]

. Bro I don’t see what ur taking about. Just watch the fight.
Laxus dodge that fireball blast. 2. Wahl was only able hit laxus when his mbp particles got worse. U can clearly see that in the video Laxus was kicking him around the whole town. Wahl couldn’t dodge any of his attack. Nothing would have change if he stood there or not.

Read the scan, it literally says he has miscalculated his aim.

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The fireball nicked Laxus still even after he "dodged" it, if he had aimed for a body shot Lacus would've been toast hence the error in aim. Not only that but in the video his attacks goes all the way into the clouds before exploding like wth? Wall was hitting Laxus before the MBPs effected him. He landed punches on Laxus before even going assualt mode. No, you can see Wall was the one doing that. Laxus hits didn't even launch him across the city...

@Axiomus Several attacks prior to x792 that are all better than or equal to that punch Wall did on a visual level...

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So why the heck do you think that punch was so impressive?

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Wendy's Sky Dragon's roar was visually more impressive than Wall's punch...and even Natsu Demolishing Fist he used on Madmole and the one he used on fodder in prior pages to the roar...

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[Axiomus]

Read the scan, it literally says he has miscalculated his aim.

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The fireball nicked Laxus still even after he "dodged" it, if he had aimed for a body shot Lacus would've been toast hence the error in aim. Not only that but in the video his attacks goes all the way into the clouds before exploding like wth? Wall was hitting Laxus before the MBPs effected him. He landed punches on Laxus before even going assualt mode. No, you can see Wall was the one doing that. Laxus hits didn't even launch him across the city...

@Axiomus Several attacks prior to x792 that are all better than or equal to that punch Wall did on a visual level...

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So why the heck do you think that punch was so impressive?

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Wendy's Sky Dragon's roar was visually more impressive than Wall's punch...and even Natsu Demolishing Fist he used on Madmole and the one he used on fodder in prior pages to the roar...

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I never said that Wall's punches were the end all be all of attacks. They're just better than anything Jacob has thrown. Some of the attacks you mentioned would have the same effect of blowing back Laxus like Wall's punches. Some of the attacks are arguably more impressive than the one Wall used, particularly the one that was used to defeat Motherglare. There are some attacks here that would not. Wall's punches rival Laxus's. They send each other flying when they connect, and match each other when they clash.

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Nearly every attack you listed here would do more damage than Jacob's hand to hand attacks.

 

[Jko]

Yes, several attacks are more impressive than Wall's punch. I never said that Wall's punches were the end all be all of attacks. They're just better than anything Jacob has thrown.

How? Pinning Natsu who has shown several better attacks in weaker forms is a worse feat than punching someone through buildings...? I'm not getting your assessment that Wall is superior to Jacob in physicals based off that punch which was visually worse than base Wendy's roar.

 

[WoWfan]

which it doesn't really matter still as they still scale relatively to each other in strength, though they may very in roster, but still same level regardless

 

[Axiomus]

How? Pinning Natsu who has shown several better attacks in weaker forms is a worse feat than punching someone through buildings...? I'm not getting your assessment that Wall is superior to Jacob in physicals based off that punch which was visually worse than base Wendy's roar.

Pinning a base Natsu using his low-end base attacks is definitely a worse feat than trading blows with Laxus and sending each other flying through the streets. Let me throw a question back at you. What about Natsu's attack against Jacob is impressive? Look, I'm not the kind of guy who says AoE is everything. I will accept that a smaller attack is stronger than a larger attack if you can prove the smaller attack had some sort of special property. Is there anything about the attack that Natsu used against Jacob that was impressive or special? Anything at all. No, he's using his base mode attacks, and his small base mode attacks at that. We even get a statement later on that Natsu purposely held back for fear of damaging the guild. Nothing about any of this is impressive on either side.

Spoiler: The attacks Natsu threw at Jacob when he pinned him the first time

Natsu wasn't even using any magic when Jacob pinned him the second time. He was just gawking at Jacob wondering where he went. This is supposed to be impressive? This is supposed to prove that Jacob has the attack power to match the attacks that Wall used on Laxus?

Spoiler: Jacob pinning Natsu a second time

This combo kick still remains the most powerful attack that Natsu and Lucy landed on Jacob during their time inside the guild. In this attack, Natsu's fire dragon's talon is pretty much matching the force of regulus Lucy kick. What about any of this attack is impressive? You think this kick would be able to send Laxus flying?

Spoiler: NaLu kick

Makarov showed us the attack power necessary to send Jacob flying. This level of power is something that Natsu can muster without going into FDK mode or using an FDK spell. This isn't even a level of power that requires the timeskip (as Makarov probably made very little improvement over the skip). A punch on this level is something Natsu can muster up with his pre-timeskip high end attacks. If Natsu was willing to wreck the guild and use a punch this powerful the first time he punched Jacob (see above), he would have sent Jacob flying the same way Makarov does here. From there all it would have taken is a couple of FDK spells to finish Jacob off. Jacob is simply not that large of a threat once you remove transport.

Spoiler: Makarov punches Jacob

Compare this to what Wall can do to Laxus when Laxus is going all out and launching city-block level attacks. The guy is hitting Laxus blow after blow, sending him flying every time. You think these attacks are on the same level as the dozens of attack Jacob peppered Lucy with?

Spoiler: Wall's assault on Laxus

 

[WoWfan]

Pinning natsu who has superhuman strength would also equate to Jacob having superhuman strength as well to be able to accomplish such a feat.

Plus surviving an attack that killed a massive war god and empowered by his FDKM is more impressive than any, even surviving the heat that disintegrated a lake

So what you are saying without visual aids, nothing else matters? Then that would mean that there are plenty of characters that are stronger than Acnologia by showings.

Yet his very strongest attack did not even destroy the guild hall, so his hold back statement is mute.

 

[Axiomus]

Pinning natsu who has superhuman strength would also equate to Jacob having superhuman strength as well to be able to accomplish such a feat.

Plus surviving an attack that killed a massive war god and empowered by his FDKM is more impressive than any, even surviving the heat that disintegrated a lake

So what you are saying without visual aids, nothing else matters? Then that would mean that there are plenty of characters that are stronger than Acnologia by showings.

Yet his very strongest attack did not even destroy the guild hall, so his hold back statement is mute.

Nearly everyone in Fairy Tail has superhuman strength. Natsu's strength varies with effort anyways.

That proves Jacob is more durable than the war god. It doesn't prove that his durability is better than Walls, and it certainly doesn't prove his attack power is greater than Wall's.

Read what I wrote. That's not what I'm saying. I'm willing to accept that smaller attacks are stronger than larger attacks if the smaller attacks have some sort of special property to them. For example, the FDK Demolition Fist that Natsu used against Zeref was powered by his emotions to the point where the flames became hot enough to burn time and Natsu's own skin. Acnologia has some of the largest attacks in the series, and nobody has better showings than Acnologia. Acnologia literally got sucked into an alternate dimension, ate all the magic within that dimension, punched a hole in the fabric of reality, and started to blow up the world. He also killed dragons, who themselves can tank multiple mountain level roars from each other.

The holding back statement is true regardless of how much Natsu's attack did to the guild hall. It's not like the clash didn't cause some damage to the guild hall. You can see the shockwave cause damage to the building. It just wasn't completely destroyed.

Spoiler: The final clash

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

It doesn’t matter since Spriggans equal to each other regardless what you want to claim, it is stated,

Whatever you claim irrelevant. You just state your fanfics and expect everyone to believe whatever you say is correct which no one does expect you and few others. Now I can ask you again Can you provide any canon feat of Jacob having COUNTRY Level Damage when he can't destroy a building. Again Hype is irrelevant if you don't have feats to back it. Where is this Country level Jacob you speak. He can't even damage lucy with his ropes nor did he do any significant damage to loke. His damage is laughable. Take out his transport he is pitiful weakling. Again till you provide evidence of Jacob having DC of destroying Country or whatever nonsense you say is fanfics.