Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

Natsu is one of those who are extra superhuman, so Jacob holding him down would put him at the same scale. Their durability would be relatively the same, just that.

Special property does not always equate to More power, just means it has hax to them, for anyone to be relatively more powerful than others needs to be stated by more than one part in the story. Acnos explosions are not even that big compared to Motherglares, that can encompass a mountain or few, while his biggest attack was a small island. Several explosions after eating an undetermined size dimension worth of magic is not really saying much, each of them would be their own TNT worth.

In that panel, what was shown would have blown away the Guild Hall, yet in the next panel, only a few pieces of furniture are broken, and the amount of power that Natsu used to destroy the War God would be enough to destroy a mountain which the Guild Hall would not be.

Kurumi, ain’t fanfic if it is stated and/or shown in the manga, which has more weight than what your impressions are, I already provided proof that magic power determine strength regardless of types and Spriggans being equal to each other, this is word of god over your ideas.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Kurumi, ain’t fanfic if it is stated and/or shown in the manga, which has more weight than what your impressions are, I already provided proof that magic power determine strength regardless of types and Spriggans being equal to each other, this is word of god over your ideas.

Irrelevant if you don't have feats to back it up.

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That's MPF was to find magical attack power not find physical strength.

 

[WoWfan]

Wall’s Etherion and heat blasts possess the radiation energy of country to large country via nuclear fusion temperatures, even Brandish was stated to make countries disappear with her magic, even Irene casually compressed a large country, physical attacks are interchangeable with that of magic attacks, even that little demon used a physical charge and it displayed magic power, even a wizard without access to magic can be powerless, even Natsu and Wendy in Edolas failed to beat a single Edolas soldier before the x balls, NOT, A, ONE!

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

It only enhances there physical strength. Doesn't give the country level physical attacks like you claim. Something like blow a country in one punch.
Magical attacks > Pure Physical attacks.

 

[WoWfan]

No, he activated the magical/magnetic confinement fusion twice, which is exclusively for those plasma ball based projectiles, his assault mode is his powered form (which should still scale as that one plasma ball was casual), all that matters is the radiation energy that is generated from each projectile, which gives it their country level energy.

Physical power = magical power = superhuman traits

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Physical power = magical power = superhuman traits

Another one of your fanfic.
Feats > any hype.

No, he activated the magical/magnetic confinement fusion twice, which is exclusively for those plasma ball based projectiles, his assault mode is his powered form, all that matters is the radiation energy that is generated from each projectile, which gives it their country level energy.

Completely Irrelvant. I never talked about whal.
1/10 for your fanfix.

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Anyway since your brought Whal. Whal > Jacob(without Tranport) by a mile.
You can't compare Laxus feats Mira.

 

[WoWfan]

Feats have proven that physical strength = magic power as you have ignored, Wall is completely relèvent as they asl scale to each other anyway and Brandish was already stated to be country level which makes Wall’s fest relèvent as country level. Wall still relatively similar level to Jacob and most of the Spriggans, WORD OF GOD > your opinions.

 

[Jko]

Pinning a base Natsu using his low-end base attacks is definitely a worse feat than trading blows with Laxus and sending each other flying through the streets. Let me throw a question back at you. What about Natsu's attack against Jacob is impressive? Look, I'm not the kind of guy who says AoE is everything. I will accept that a smaller attack is stronger than a larger attack if you can prove the smaller attack had some sort of special property. Is there anything about the attack that Natsu used against Jacob that was impressive or special? Anything at all. No, he's using his base mode attacks, and his small base mode attacks at that. We even get a statement later on that Natsu purposely held back for fear of damaging the guild. Nothing about any of this is impressive on either side.

Spoiler: The attacks Natsu threw at Jacob when he pinned him the first time

Natsu wasn't even using any magic when Jacob pinned him the second time. He was just gawking at Jacob wondering where he went. This is supposed to be impressive? This is supposed to prove that Jacob has the attack power to match the attacks that Wall used on Laxus?

Spoiler: Jacob pinning Natsu a second time

This combo kick still remains the most powerful attack that Natsu and Lucy landed on Jacob during their time inside the guild. In this attack, Natsu's fire dragon's talon is pretty much matching the force of regulus Lucy kick. What about any of this attack is impressive? You think this kick would be able to send Laxus flying?

Spoiler: NaLu kick

Makarov showed us the attack power necessary to send Jacob flying. This level of power is something that Natsu can muster without going into FDK mode or using an FDK spell. This isn't even a level of power that requires the timeskip (as Makarov probably made very little improvement over the skip). A punch on this level is something Natsu can muster up with his pre-timeskip high end attacks. If Natsu was willing to wreck the guild and use a punch this powerful the first time he punched Jacob (see above), he would have sent Jacob flying the same way Makarov does here. From there all it would have taken is a couple of FDK spells to finish Jacob off. Jacob is simply not that large of a threat once you remove transport.

Spoiler: Makarov punches Jacob

Compare this to what Wall can do to Laxus when Laxus is going all out and launching city-block level attacks. The guy is hitting Laxus blow after blow, sending him flying every time. You think these attacks are on the same level as the dozens of attack Jacob peppered Lucy with?

Spoiler: Wall's assault on Laxus

Pinning base Natsu is a way greater feat than launching someone through a block...Natsu with physical strength alone is already a 100+ tonner for picking up Dorma Anima and tossing it lol. He also pulled a Gild punch on Bakel while using no fire magic at all and was just using pure physical power...

Spoiler

That punched launched Bakel several KM in the air lol. Natsu is trying harder against Jacob than Bakel so again pinning Natsu is a better feat than punching someone through a block. Several weaker characters than Base Alvarez Natsu has done this before including weaker incarnations of himself and Alvarez Natsu would toast those fools with just his physical power let alone using his fire magic.

If Laxus got hit by Natsu and Lucy then yes he would be launched. It is your own speculation that Natsu lowered his power to Lucy level to use that kick. And that speculation has not even shred of evidence that shows he did what you said. Natsu alone punching Laxus would launch him add Lucy on top of his own power and I see no reason why Laxus wouldn't be launched.

Natsu using FD punches mean nothing as he used FD level attacks on several god tiers which means his FD attacks can reach that level. (I've said this and shown it several times already.)

Big attacks mean nothing but a push of scale. By visual feats alone, Jacob got hit by Natsu strongest punch to date lol.

That punch Makarov did launch Jacob farther than Laxus lol...and Jacob took no damage from it despite being caught off guard while Laxus did.

Also that punch Wall did that launched Laxus a couple feet in the air was not impressive at all . And yes, I think Lucy would be fine considering the plot armor FT had in that arc made them immune from death.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

No they don't scale each other. Jacob has never shown attacks that put him close to the level whal. Magic power gives a significant power boost to a mage. Doesn't magic attacks > physicals attacks. Otherwise no need to use magical attacks at all.

 

[WoWfan]

Yes they do, stated multiple times as they scale to God Serena which he scales to Brandish and Wall, it is irrelevant as he is already on that level via his own techniques and skills, and same magic power level anyway. Physical power possesses magic power as that demon has proven in MPF, pure shoulder charge, why wouldn’t they, they need every possible advantage

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

And yes, I think Lucy would be fine considering the plot armor FT had in that arc made them immune from death.

Or Jacob little attacks he did with his whip was plain pathetic.

 

[WoWfan]

Yet they hurt Natsu and Lucy, and Jacob held him down without his magic being suppressed so he does match his physical strength.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Yet they hurt Natsu and Lucy, and Jacob held him down without his magic being suppressed so he does match his physical strength.

Jacob was holding Natsu that isn't struggling to break out. He was watching Lucy naked body. His whip attacks from him are on the same level as fodder attacks alvarez fodder army. It only deals insignificant damage.

 

[WoWfan]

Why would Natsu try not to struggle, that makes no sense, that is 0/10 fanfic on your part, he had to find a why to get him off guard and let go to actually attack, even Natsu and Mavis stated that he was strong, you cannot argue against WORD OF GOD.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

you cannot argue against WORD OF GOD.

World Of God if he doesn't prove any feats for characters. They end up becoming hype nothing more.

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Why would Natsu try not to struggle, that makes no sense, that is 0/10 fanfic on your part,

Jacob showed Natsu lucy's naked body as soon as he pinned him down. He was watching that not struggling. That was shown in canon. A struggling nonsense was something you came with for your fanfic not mine. 0/10 for you I suppose.

 

[Jko]

Or Jacob little attacks he did with his whip was plain pathetic.

Well they were hurting Natsu and again he pinned him in brute strength therefore they are not pathetic as the force behind the whip attacks would equal his physical power. Lol, that is like saying 7DS arm punch or SF punch is pathetic bcs they were smaller scaled attacks then what we have previously seen. Even his final punch against Merc wasn't a visual spectacle.

Spoiler

Guess that's pathetic, huh?

Edit:
Like I said Lucy would have been fine as plot armor in Alvarez was at an all time high, heck Levy was peak condition after an S12 fight and Cana was in peak condition after fighting August . Do you really think Lucy's life would've been in danger in Alvarez?

 

[GL_Nova]

Read the scan, it literally says he has miscalculated his aim.

Spoiler

The fireball nicked Laxus still even after he "dodged" it, if he had aimed for a body shot Lacus would've been toast hence the error in aim. Not only that but in the video his attacks goes all the way into the clouds before exploding like wth? Wall was hitting Laxus before the MBPs effected him. He landed punches on Laxus before even going assualt mode. No, you can see Wall was the one doing that. Laxus hits didn't even launch him across the city...

@Axiomus Several attacks prior to x792 that are all better than or equal to that punch Wall did on a visual level...

Spoiler

So why the heck do you think that punch was so impressive?

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Wendy's Sky Dragon's roar was visually more impressive than Wall's punch...and even Natsu Demolishing Fist he used on Madmole and the one he used on fodder in prior pages to the roar...

Spoiler

Huh? Again, nothing suggests this was in regards to him missing and not in regards to his original incorrect assumption of how much force to use against Laxus.

The fireball nicks a sick Laxus, who was in the middle of suffering an attack before dodging it. An the fact it nicked him supports that he was going for a body blow. Why would he not aim for center mass? An again, this is the kind of power Wahl calculated it would take to beat Laxus.

That part I feel no need to defend, in uninvested in your Jacob superior to Wahl campaign. He couldon’t put Lucy down.

 

[Jko]

Huh? Again, nothing suggests this was in regards to him missing and not in regards to his original incorrect assumption of how much force to use against Laxus.

The fireball nicks a sick Laxus, who was in the middle of suffering an attack before dodging it. An the fact it nicked him supports that he was going for a body blow. Why would he not aim for center mass? An again, this is the kind of power Wahl calculated it would take to beat Laxus.

That part I feel no need to defend, in uninvested in your Jacob superior to Wahl campaign. He couldon’t put Lucy down.

Literally says he miscalculated the shot therefore he missed otherwise he wouldn't have said it in the first place. Laxus barely moved his head and you call that a dodge? Had that been a body shot he would've been hit. Once again repeating what I already previously stated.

Wall couldn't put down Kagura, hell he couldn't even kill Beth

 

[Axiomus]

Pinning base Natsu is a way greater feat than launching someone through a block...Natsu with physical strength alone is already a 100+ tonner for picking up Dorma Anima and tossing it lol. He also pulled a Gild punch on Bakel while using no fire magic at all and was just using pure physical power...

Spoiler

That punched launched Bakel several KM in the air lol. Natsu is trying harder against Jacob than Bakel so again pinning Natsu is a better feat than punching someone through a block. Several weaker characters than Base Alvarez Natsu has done this before including weaker incarnations of himself and Alvarez Natsu would toast those fools with just his physical power let alone using his fire magic.

If Laxus got hit by Natsu and Lucy then yes he would be launched. It is your own speculation that Natsu lowered his power to Lucy level to use that kick. And that speculation has not even shred of evidence that shows he did what you said. Natsu alone punching Laxus would launch him add Lucy on top of his own power and I see no reason why Laxus wouldn't be launched.

Natsu using FD punches mean nothing as he used FD level attacks on several god tiers which means his FD attacks can reach that level. (I've said this and shown it several times already.)

Big attacks mean nothing but a push of scale. By visual feats alone, Jacob got hit by Natsu strongest punch to date lol.

That punch Makarov did launch Jacob farther than Laxus lol...and Jacob took no damage from it despite being caught off guard while Laxus did.

Also that punch Wall did that launched Laxus a couple feet in the air was not impressive at all . And yes, I think Lucy would be fine considering the plot armor FT had in that arc made them immune from death.

Not just "someone". It's Laxus. Pinning Natsu isn't as impressive as sending Laxus flying. I'm not speculating that Natsu lowered his power when he combo'd his kick with Lucy. I'm saying that the combo kick with Lucy is the strongest attack he threw when he was inside the guild, and that combo kick is objectively weaker than the punch Makarov threw. It actually doesn't matter how strong Natsu's kick was compared to Lucy's. Their overall combined kick simply isn't that strong. If Natsu was willing to punch as hard as Makarov did, he would have ragdolled Jacob. By the way, that combo kick caught Jacob off guard too so getting caught off guard is not an excuse. Jacob wasn't caught off guard when Makarov punched him anyways. He was just gawking. Makarov gave a speech before he hit him and all.

The punch that sent Bakel flying isn't even that impressive. Even when compared to Natsu's other base mode attacks. The roar he used on Bluenote and several other punches are stronger than it. Saying that Jacob can tank a punch that sent Bakel flying isn't saying much. Bakel is fodder, and the punch he used on Bakel is nothing to write home about.

Yeah, Natsu has used regular fire dragon attacks on "god tiers". They usually end up doing nothing so he resorts to using something stronger. This doesn't prove that Natsu's regular fire dragon attacks are as strong as his Fire Dragon King spells. Just because Natsu is fighting a stronger opponent, that doesn't mean every attack he uses is stronger than every attack he has ever used against a weaker opponent. Even if that was the case, this would only further prove that Madmole is way more durable than Jacob. Jacob is an absolute fodder compared to a god dragon like Mercphobia. Natsu used an FDK demolition fist against Mercphobia. Madmole tanked the exact same attack that Mercphobia did in the same arc, and actually ended up making Natsu hurt himself in that exchange. By all rights, Madmole's durability should scale leagues above Jacob. Yet somehow we're entertaining the idea that a FDK spell is nowhere near the level of the same FDK spell just because Natsu doesn't shout "MODO RAIENRYU", but regular street level base attacks are on the same level as mountain-level FDK spells.

The demolition fist that hit Jacob wasn't even that visually impressive. The demolition fist he used on the war god or the FDK roar he used against Zeref's army were both more impressive visually. But I digress. Like I said, I'm willing to accept smaller attacks as being stronger than larger attacks if you can prove the smaller attack has something special going for it. For example, when Natsu had Ignia's flames those flames were hot enough to burn his arms. Ignia's flames also triggered dragon force which gave him the physical strength to throw Mercphobia around, which in turn smashed the streets below. They also burned out Mercphobia's magic power, and Mercphobia had half the power of Acnologia. There was nothing special about the regular fire dragon attacks that Natsu used against Jacob. They were just regular fire dragon attacks. They weren't using any special fire dragon king flames. They weren't done with any modes. They were regular, small-scaled attacks that were weaker than Makarov's punch.

Even if Lucy was plot armored from death, Wall's attack would have still knocked her out. Lucy has been plot armored since the beginning of the series, and is still plot armored now. Lucy was plot armored from death when Kyria knocked her out. Wall's punches can match Laxus when they connect, and can send Laxus through a street when they hit him flush. Unless you think Kyria outclasses Laxus in attack power, then Wall's attacks should at the very least do the same level of damage Kyria did.

 

[GL_Nova]

Literally says he miscalculated the shot therefore he missed otherwise he wouldn't have said it in the first place. Laxus barely moved his head and you call that a dodge? Had that been a body shot he would've been hit. Once again repeating what I already previously stated.

Wall couldn't put down Kagura, hell he couldn't even kill Beth

no it doesn’t. It says he’s calculating, it says nothing about that missed shot. That’s head cannon.

I call dodging dodging, there’s no reason not to acknowledge that.