Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

Nobody has regular attacks that are multi-continental, or even continental. I don't think people truly grasp the scope of what a multi-continental feat is. I can maaaaaaybe buy country level hype for some attacks, but continental and multi-continental claims are ridiculous. That's giving me some Igneel vs Mercphobia PTSD.

Most characters in Fairy Tail have mountain level attacks. Some have mountain-range level attacks. August is pretty much the only character that can be argued to have used a spell that would destroy a country, and that's a suicide spell. Universe One doesn't deal any damage. Compression isn't DC. It's also not Irene's best enchantment. Her best enchantment is dues sema, and that attack wouldn't have wiped an entire country. Not unless you want to give Erza's sword country level striking strength.

If we're talking about sheer scale, face has the largest AOE by far. The face system affects the entire continent of Ishgar. To put this in perspective, face would disable both Irene's universe one and August's ars magia at the same time. The parent dragons destroyed all the faces, and even they do not have attacks that would destroy a continent. God Dragons, Igneel, and Acnologia are stronger than the parent dragons, and even they do not have attacks that would wipe out a continent.

 

[Jko]

The Phoenix which is only Zeref tier is canon as well Dragon cry, Etherion which canonicslly wiped out a country and average countries are continental in size, U1, Irene's Deus Sema shockwave, Merc's sea lifting feat, the size of Aldron alone, and Ignia was stated to have destroyed countries and so has Acnologia.

U1 is a DC feat as compression is is the action of applying a force to a solid, liquid, or gas so that it takes up less space. So her magic applied force to the land to make it smaller which is DC. Deus Sema isn't her best enchantment as that was never shown and it was never stated that it was not going to wipe out the country. Seeing as the shockwave was able to make a continental size fireball upon reentry the actual impact would be much stronger. Erza needed maximum PoF to do that and she later and goes on to knock RoT Dragon Acno out of the sky without DS magic at that. That's not standard Erza level.

FACE and Etherion were stated to be only a speed bump to the Zeref's army. They weren't actual deterrents and it makes sense since they could easily destroy the FACEs with long ranged attacks and a S12 that is not even the top 2 is packing Etherion.

 

[Axiomus]

The Phoenix which is only Zeref tier is canon as well Dragon cry, Etherion which canonicslly wiped out a country and average countries are continental in size, U1, Irene's Deus Sema shockwave, Merc's sea lifting feat, the size of Aldron alone, and Ignia was stated to have destroyed countries and so has Acnologia.

U1 is a DC feat as compression is is the action of applying a force to a solid, liquid, or gas so that it takes up less space. So her magic applied force to the land to make it smaller which is DC. Deus Sema isn't her best enchantment as that was never shown and it was never stated that it was not going to wipe out the country. Seeing as the shockwave was able to make a continental size fireball upon reentry the actual impact would be much stronger. Erza needed maximum PoF to do that and she later and goes on to knock RoT Dragon Acno out of the sky without DS magic at that. That's not standard Erza level.

FACE and Etherion were stated to be only a speed bump to the Zeref's army. They weren't actual deterrents and it makes sense since they could easily destroy the FACEs with long ranged attacks and a S12 that is not even the top 2 is packing Etherion.

We haven't seen how Ignia or Acnologia destroyed countries. They could have destroyed it with multiple attacks over time.

Phoenix is all hype. If it's Zeref level, well Zeref sure as hell can't surface wipe. Natsu with flames of savage emotions is stronger than Zeref with Fairy Heart, and neither of them were surface wiping with their attacks.

Deus Sema's "shockwave" is just the clouds parting from when it enters the atmosphere. Also, deus sema is Irene's best enchantment because master enchant is on an even higher level than high enchant, as per Irene's own words. She literally has to tap into her powers as a dragon to cast it. Knocking Acnologia out of the sky is something anything with enough mass can do. Christina can push Acnologia into the ROT, which basically means it can do the same thing. It's not like Acnologia is absolutely immovable, or they actually injured Acnologia.

Mercphobia's sea lifting feat isn't continental. If nothing else than for the mere fact Mercphobia dropped all the water he lifted back down on the city in an attempt to put out Ignia's flames, and the result was nothing even remotely close to continental level. If he truly lifted a continent's worth of water and dropped it on a city, everyone would be smashed. There would be earthquakes that shake the entire globe.

Face would have literally disabled every mage in Ishgar. How do you propose the Spriggans destroy face with long range attacks? Their magic would get disabled as they come near the continent. There's 3000 faces. Makarov had Fairy Heart, which he was going to use to power-up everyone, and even he deemed it too late once face activated. Just because Zeref was cocky and downplayed face and etherion, it doesn't mean he actually had an out. The record shows that he overestimated his Spriggan. He also overestimated himself, including how strong he was going to be with Fairy Heart.

I don't understand the obsession with wanting to portray Fairy Tail characters as having continental level DC, with top guys being surface wipers. It would be a massive stretch to say that some of the stronger characters are even country level.

 

[Ramen]

We haven't seen how Ignia or Acnologia destroyed countries. They could have destroyed it with multiple attacks over time.

Phoenix is all hype. If it's Zeref level, well Zeref sure as hell can't surface wipe. Natsu with flames of savage emotions is stronger than Zeref with Fairy Heart, and neither of them were surface wiping with their attacks.

Deus Sema's "shockwave" is just the clouds parting from when it enters the atmosphere. Also, deus sema is Irene's best enchantment because master enchant is on an even higher level than high enchant, as per Irene's own words. She literally has to tap into her powers as a dragon to cast it. Knocking Acnologia out of the sky is something anything with enough mass can do. Christina can push Acnologia into the ROT, which basically means it can do the same thing. It's not like Acnologia is absolutely immovable, or they actually injured Acnologia.

Mercphobia's sea lifting feat isn't continental. If nothing else than for the mere fact Mercphobia dropped all the water he lifted back down on the city in an attempt to put out Ignia's flames, and the result was nothing even remotely close to continental level. If he truly lifted a continent's worth of water and dropped it on a city, everyone would be smashed. There would be earthquakes that shake the entire globe.

Face would have literally disabled every mage in Ishgar. How do you propose the Spriggans destroy face with long range attacks? Their magic would get disabled as they come near the continent. There's 3000 faces. Makarov had Fairy Heart, which he was going to use to power-up everyone, and even he deemed it too late once face activated. Just because Zeref was cocky and downplayed face and etherion, it doesn't mean he actually had an out. The record shows that he overestimated his Spriggan. He also overestimated himself, including how strong he was going to be with Fairy Heart.

I don't understand the obsession with wanting to portray Fairy Tail characters as having continental level DC, with top guys being surface wipers. It would be a massive stretch to say that some of the stronger characters are even country level.

IIRC, didn't Merc say Ignia easily destroyed countless countries easily and that the fact that Elmina still remains is a miracle?

 

[Axiomus]

IIRC, didn't Merc say Ignia easily destroyed countless countries easily and that the fact that Elmina still remains is a miracle?

Yes, but not with one attack. Elmina is also not a country.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

What are you talking about? He says he couldn’t control it. Why else discard an ability like this. It’s also more expressly stated in the fleshed out flashback in the anime.

He said he was born with greater magic power and he was shunned by others for it till he met Zeref. Nowhere it is implied that he couldn't control his powers. He needed to commit suicide to cast Args Magia to destroy Fiore which was not even close to effortlessly destroying something.

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IIRC, didn't Merc say Ignia easily destroyed countless countries easily and that the fact that Elmina still remains is a miracle?

You should read Mercophobia vs Igneel thread at Domus flau. when you have time You can see the scientific calculations for Merc's multicontinental feat for lifting that sea and lucy massive durability for tanking those attacks .

 

[atlantisreturns]

Lmao wut am I seeing here

Irene is continental ? Zeref is planetary ? What is Acnologia then , solar system buster ?

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The Phoenix which is only Zeref tier is canon as well Dragon cry, Etherion which canonicslly wiped out a country and average countries are continental in size, U1, Irene's Deus Sema shockwave, Merc's sea lifting feat, the size of Aldron alone, and Ignia was stated to have destroyed countries and so has Acnologia.

U1 is a DC feat as compression is is the action of applying a force to a solid, liquid, or gas so that it takes up less space. So her magic applied force to the land to make it smaller which is DC. Deus Sema isn't her best enchantment as that was never shown and it was never stated that it was not going to wipe out the country. Seeing as the shockwave was able to make a continental size fireball upon reentry the actual impact would be much stronger. Erza needed maximum PoF to do that and she later and goes on to knock RoT Dragon Acno out of the sky without DS magic at that. That's not standard Erza level.

FACE and Etherion were stated to be only a speed bump to the Zeref's army. They weren't actual deterrents and it makes sense since they could easily destroy the FACEs with long ranged attacks and a S12 that is not even the top 2 is packing Etherion.

Phoenix can probably wipe out the surface over time , not in one attack. And if it's suggesting it can do so in one attack , it's bullshit hype. Zeref is probably small country level at best via scaling from Jura's mpf score. Nothing is even remotely surface wiping in FT. Irene's Deus Sema created a continent wide shockwave in the sky , it doesn't suggest it can actually destroy it. Shockwave and destruction are not the same. Aldoron's size is nowhere close to continental , Ignia and Acnologia probably destroyed continents over time with multiple attacks. And yes , Etherion is continental and a cut above everything else in FT including Acnologia and the god dragons , like it was in Rave Master.

In U1 nothing was stated like a chunk of the continent was destroyed or anything. For all we know , the continent's total mass remained the same like it should have , so doesn't change anything. Brandish's island shrinking is a DC feat , we've got no evidence to suggest Irene's U1 is a DC feat.

Face and Etherion were so strong that Alvarez was forced to withdraw their troops lol. Zeref never said anything like "It would be a small deterrent to us", he withdrew because he knew Alvarez would suffer heavy casualties. The only thing what Alvaez had comparable to Etherion was August's Ars Magia. And that does not mean August is continental btw , because it's a suicide spell. We know that suicide spells increase attack potency by several tiers , such as Ultear vs 7 GMG Dragons , Chelia vs Chronos Dimaria , etc. Either Wahl's Etherion is not the same as council's Etherion or it's just a less powered version of it. Real Etherion beam fires a concentrated beam that is 316011 times stronger than GMG Jura's strongest attack. You aren't convincing me even Acnologia is that strong , let alone Zeref , let alone Irene , let alone Wahl. The only thing which is continental in FT is FH if used in an optimal fashion and Etherion.

 

[Demon Hunter]

people underrating my boi Zeref
it took infinite punch to take him down something not even Beerus can tank

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btw, according to Mavis, Ars Magia can be blocked

 

[Jko]

Lmao wut am I seeing here

Irene is continental ? Zeref is planetary ? What is Acnologia then , solar system buster ?

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Phoenix can probably wipe out the surface over time , not in one attack. And if it's suggesting it can do so in one attack , it's bullshit hype. Zeref is probably small country level at best via scaling from Jura's mpf score. Nothing is even remotely surface wiping in FT. Irene's Deus Sema created a continent wide shockwave in the sky , it doesn't suggest it can actually destroy it. Shockwave and destruction are not the same. Aldoron's size is nowhere close to continental , Ignia and Acnologia probably destroyed continents over time with multiple attacks. And yes , Etherion is continental and a cut above everything else in FT including Acnologia and the god dragons , like it was in Rave Master.

In U1 nothing was stated like a chunk of the continent was destroyed or anything. For all we know , the continent's total mass remained the same like it should have , so doesn't change anything. Brandish's island shrinking is a DC feat , we've got no evidence to suggest Irene's U1 is a DC feat.

Face and Etherion were so strong that Alvarez was forced to withdraw their troops lol. Zeref never said anything like "It would be a small deterrent to us", he withdrew because he knew Alvarez would suffer heavy casualties. The only thing what Alvaez had comparable to Etherion was August's Ars Magia. And that does not mean August is continental btw , because it's a suicide spell. We know that suicide spells increase attack potency by several tiers , such as Ultear vs 7 GMG Dragons , Chelia vs Chronos Dimaria , etc. Either Wahl's Etherion is not the same as council's Etherion or it's just a less powered version of it. Real Etherion beam fires a concentrated beam that is 316011 times stronger than GMG Jura's strongest attack. You aren't convincing me even Acnologia is that strong , let alone Zeref , let alone Irene , let alone Wahl. The only thing which is continental in FT is FH if used in an optimal fashion and Etherion.

Phoenix was going to do it in one attack. The surface wiping was stated to be done by the attack he shot in the sky which started to immediately cover the world.

That's bcs she compressed the land not destroyed it. Being able to smoosh something together takes DC to do as she is applying physical force to the land. We do as Irene had to compress the land together in order to pull of U1. The country was compressed to 1/20th of it size which would make it 20 times denser than normal.

Face and Etherion never made Alvarez push back. Zeref himself made Alvarez comeback bcs he was still a pacifist at the time. Wall has Etherion as well and Irene wouldn't have trouble dispatching a spell like that. Jura was fodderize by an S12 so they can be that much stronger than him in MP. Their MP was literally in a class of their own even till this date as well. MPF also did not measure in the 'idea' of magic either. Wall's Etherion was shown to be the same and there's no other Etherion in the shown besides the one satellite canon. 30 or so fodder mages were also capable of creating Etherion after an hour of charging it. Etherion won't work on Zeref, Acno or even a fodder dragon. Even an infinite amount of Etherion wouldn't beat Acno lol. FH is just a power source.

 

[Ramen]

He said he was born with greater magic power and he was shunned by others for it till he met Zeref. Nowhere it is implied that he couldn't control his powers. He needed to commit suicide to cast Args Magia to destroy Fiore which was not even close to effortlessly destroying something.

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You should read Mercophobia vs Igneel thread at Domus flau. when you have time You can see the scientific calculations for Merc's multicontinental feat for lifting that sea and lucy massive durability for tanking those attacks .

Bruh.......

 

[atlantisreturns]

Phoenix was going to do it in one attack. The surface wiping was stated to be done by the attack he shot in the sky which started to immediately cover the world.

That's bcs she compressed the land not destroyed it. Being able to smoosh something together takes DC to do as she is applying physical force to the land. We do as Irene had to compress the land together in order to pull of U1. The country was compressed to 1/20th of it size which would make it 20 times denser than normal.

Face and Etherion never made Alvarez push back. Zeref himself made Alvarez comeback bcs he was still a pacifist at the time. Wall has Etherion as well and Irene wouldn't have trouble dispatching a spell like that. Jura was fodderize by an S12 so they can be that much stronger than him in MP. Their MP was literally in a class of their own even till this date as well. MPF also did not measure in the 'idea' of magic either. Wall's Etherion was shown to be the same and there's no other Etherion in the shown besides the one satellite canon. 30 or so fodder mages were also capable of creating Etherion after an hour of charging it. Etherion won't work on Zeref, Acno or even a fodder dragon. Even an infinite amount of Etherion wouldn't beat Acno lol. FH is just a power source.

Then it's false hype because Zeref is country level at best. And surface wiping in their standards must be much bigger than Earth's surface wiping since Fiore is the size of a continent. By destroying the world it probably meant wiping out civilization but not the surface.

The work done by this process is much lesser than the work done for destroying the continent totally. Since here you're only applying pressure and not actually releasing the bond energies of each molecule. True work is absolute destruction i.e. when each molecule gets separated from each other. Work done in this scenario = P∆V. Work done in absolute destruction = P×V + ∆U which is >>> P∆V. I'm not bothering to do the calc right now but the feat is not continental.

I'm pretty sure I remember Zeref admitting that there would've been heavy casualties on their side. Although Zeref made Alvarez come back because he was a pacifist , but the next panel when Makarov asked him what would've happened had he not stopped it , Zeref admitted there would've been heavy casualties on their side. Spriggans aren't 316011 times stronger than Jura lol , look at the figures. MPF measures what is the attack power for a mage. Mages who charge Etherion don't matter since it collects magic particles from the air and fodder mages aren't strong enough to supply 2.7 billion MP. Yes Etherion would work on Zeref ,Acno tier dragons as well as almost any dragon and it was also shown in Rave as the strongest magic. The reason Etherion wouldn't kill Zeref and Acno is that Zeref is immortal and Acno can eat magic , that would be powering him up. The credit for that goes to Ankhseram and the nature of Acno's powers , not their own power levels.

FH is a power source of infinite magic which can take down Acno tier dragons if used properly and not in a retarded fashion. The reason Zeref lost is because instead of connecting Fairy Heart to some powerful source , he did not connect it to anything , which did not increase his power at all effectively making him the same as Base Zeref with a time rewind. If used in an optimal fashion , he can connect it to Etherion to fire infinite Etherions ,or just connect it to the Fairy Sphere and power it up to trap Acno , or connect it to the Ravines of Time and erase reality . The reason he could not face Acno directly was because in an ideal situation Acno would just power up through Etherion and eat Fairy Sphere. I'm sure if Acno fights in the retarded fashion how he fought FT , anyone with FH can defeat him if the person using it isn't braindead like Zeref.

 

[Demon Hunter]

people trying to make sense of FH Zeref vs Natsu to the point they ignore literally everything established before just to defend our greatest Black Wizard of all Time

 

[Ramen]

people trying to make sense of FH Zeref vs Natsu to the point they ignore literally everything established before just to defend our greatest Black Wizard of all Time

The power scaling is straight bs with everyone at the moment

 

[atlantisreturns]

people trying to make sense of FH Zeref vs Natsu to the point they ignore literally everything established before just to defend our greatest Black Wizard of all Time

Wut. I'm arguing against Zeref here , not for him , lol.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Wut. I'm arguing against Zeref here , not for him , lol.

bruh reread what you said

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The power scaling is straight bs with everyone at the moment

I'm just glad my boy Laxus managed to beat Red Pants Plot Armor.

everything else is more or less irrelevant when it comes to PL

 

[Ramen]

bruh reread what you said

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I'm just glad my boy Laxus managed to beat Red Pants Plot Armor.

everything else is more or less irrelevant when it comes to PL

That's because he the GOAT

 

[bugen]

I'm just glad my boy Laxus managed to beat Red Pants Plot Armor.

It should be nice to read what you want instead of reading the real thing.

I at least read what the author says without inventing things.

not knowing or not wanting to know what it means double ko (words of the author) speaks very badly for you.
but I will tell you one thing, winning is not.

Now you will tell me things denying the author himself, come on, make me laugh.

 

[Demon Hunter]

It should be nice to read what you want instead of reading the real thing.

I at least read what the author says without inventing things.

not knowing or not wanting to know what it means double ko (words of the author) speaks very badly for you.
but I will tell you one thing, winning is not.

Now you will tell me things denying the author himself, come on, make me laugh.

can't tell if I should take that as an insult or not

 

[bugen]

can't tell if I should take that as an insult or not

I would not dare to insult someone, saying those things makes me realize other things.

It's fun to see the way you see the manga

insulting is something else, but it's up to you.

It depends if you are serious knowing things or not.

 

[Demon Hunter]

I would not dare to insult someone, saying those things makes me realize other things.

It's fun to see the way you see the manga

insulting is something else, but it's up to you.

It depends if you are serious knowing things or not.

I know how to read