Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[LaGOAT]

Hatred is till some type of emotion/feeling just like love the only difference hatred is negative emotions and love is position emotions. We all know positive>negative I don’t why this is even a debate

 

[WoWfan]

Hatred is exclusive to powers such as Black Magic and Curses, not in the same category as PoF which is general magic unless stated.

 

[Talenel]

Have you ever heard of acting?

What does that have to do with Silver powering up off Grays magic, cutting Grays body apart, beating Gray into the ground and refusing to fall? We all know he was acting.....however, that doesnt change the actual content of the battle. You can say that Silver held back but there is no proof that he did.

even when Gray was doing Iced Shell which would transform the user's body into ice, Silver was likely saving Gray from doing that.

.....So? Whether Silver is saving Gray or saving himself, the outcome is no different.

 

[WoWfan]

Again, he wants Gray to get over his trauma with Deliora, doesn’t mean he takes it lightly. The proof is simply because both acting and the fact they are father and son. It does matter because it shows he genuine concern for Gray.

Also the fact that he never used the demon marks nor other spells beyond just the breath attack

 

[LaGOAT]

Hatred is exclusive to powers such as Black Magic and Curses, not in the same category as PoF which is general magic unless stated.

Zeref literally says that his hatred comes of how he feels in the final clash vs natsu my guy

 

[WoWfan]

Zeref literally says that his hatred comes of how he feels in the final clash vs natsu my guy

Again, he uses Black Magic, nothung different

 

[grey matter]

Gray should have an advantage against Mirajane for all intents and purposes.
Whether he used Devil Slaying against her is a different matter.
Only time Gray has chosen to use this devil slaying form was against demons/cursed characters,, with the exception of Invel and Raijinshuu. Invel, when he really pissed him off and when he was coerced to use it by Freed.
Gray 'struggling' does not necessarily imply that he used it, especially given how much of a gap that would imply there is between Gray and Mirajane.

One would have to be, objectively speaking, a biased person, to actually argue that Gray struggled against an exhausted Mirajane, while holding back in her base form, got tricked because she was smiling in Cana's card, while Gray was fresh and had a massive advantage against her that previously allowed him to oneshot someone three-four tiers above him in Tartaros once a decent hit connected.

More importantly though, I see that a lot of people arguing for Mirajane's case used to argue that Mirajane wasn't vulnerable to Gray's devil slaying, and now that it hypes her up, they're arguing that she must indeed be vulnerable to it and still gave Gray a high difficulty fight. What a convenient time to be convinced by such a crucial aspect of their respective magic affinities. Classic.

This!

Especially the bold part!

 

[sharkai]

Ok

General rule (IMO) among haxes lol. I'm pretty sure that Eileen can't turn Erza into a mouse like she did to the fodder princess. Why? Magic power. Erza's swords' (or armour's) power depend on how much magic power she puts into them, that's her magic.

Actually, Erza beats him only in stamina lol. She's a damn tank, that's the only reason why Laxus vs Erza went as far as it did, Laxus landed like 3 times the amount of attacks she landed on him. MP? Sure, Laxus is ahead of her in that, as does he in speed and attack power.
Laxus got red lightning in Alverez arc.

As we talked. It entirety depends on mishma. If marin hax can effect erza, but irene hax doesnt even effect mages far below her. That just give irene a short end of the stick. Beside wendy belserion did blow erza armors easily enough.
After irene lost her cool she didnt try to those things. So thats not exactly evidence

I would have agreed with you before. But laxus was the last man standing after taking out kiria. So laxus seems to have more stemina
Tank? Endurance yes, erza has more of that. And laxus has better durability
Not really.
Laxus hit erza more when erza was holding back but
Holding back Erza two hits were equal to alot of laxus hits. But i dont take that seriously.

Laxus was overwhelming erza when erza was holding back, after she stopped holding back. They were pretty much equal

Powerwise same. Reiko Red lightening is his strongest move, which erza can negate with her blumblatt
Speed same, in my view erza is better. Especially when she blitzed laxus while holding back and laxus didnt even notice he was hurt


Alverzec laxus needed pof to unlock red lightening, and it wasn't a mode then. And no one and i mean no one wants to see pof erza fight

 

[LaGOAT]

Again, he uses Black Magic, nothung different

and? Black magic is just a type of magic

 

[Ramen]

As we talked. It entirety depends on mishma. If marin hax can effect erza, but irene hax doesnt even effect mages far below her. That just give irene a short end of the stick. Beside wendy belserion did blow erza armors easily enough.
After irene lost her cool she didnt try to those things. So thats not exactly evidence

I would have agreed with you before. But laxus was the last man standing after taking out kiria. So laxus seems to have more stemina
Tank? Endurance yes, erza has more of that. And laxus has better durability
Not really.
Laxus hit erza more when erza was holding back but
Holding back Erza two hits were equal to alot of laxus hits. But i dont take that seriously.

Laxus was overwhelming erza when erza was holding back, after she stopped holding back. They were pretty much equal

Powerwise same. Reiko Red lightening is his strongest move, which erza can negate with her blumblatt
Speed same, in my view erza is better. Especially when she blitzed laxus while holding back and laxus didnt even notice he was hurt


Alverzec laxus needed pof to unlock red lightening, and it wasn't a mode then. And no one and i mean no one wants to see pof erza fight

The bias is really showing in this post.

They were both holding back, not just Erza.

Speed and Stamina Laxus takes it.

 

[sharkai]

The bias is really showing in this post.

They were both holding back, not just Erza.

Speed and Stamina Laxus takes it.

Where

I dont know about laxus. But once erza stops holding back, they were going pound to pound, pretty much equal

Stemina yes
Speed no
When erza was was holding back laxus blitz her couple of times, and erza blitz him atleast twice. Speedwise they were equal
Otherwise you will have to really degrade something of laxus for them to be in the same state at the end

 

[WoWfan]

And black magic specifically uses the darkness of the heart, while not PoF for magic in general

 

[Axiomus]

Darkness is just another fancy way of saying negative emotions. Dragon seeds were made from darkness too. Turns out that this darkness was simply Natsu doubting his humanity. Natsu's doubt is simply a negative emotion.

Spoiler: Seeds are made from darkness

Spoiler: Turns out that darkness is just Natsu doubting his humanity

Gray was enraged over Juvia's death, and that mades him stronger. It made his regular base mode stronger than his demonized form. To pretend that this isn't a form of power of emotions is just silly. Gray got more emotional, and that made him more powerful. Call it darkness or whatever....but the emotions he felt over Juvia's death was what made him stronger, and he simply wasn't in the same emotional state when he fought Mirajane.

 

[WoWfan]

Seed is the product of Etherious which is a product of black magic.

And no, that is not the same as PoF which the seed simply changes a person

Gray used Black Magic which uses the darkness inside and is not the same as PoF.

And doesn’t matter, Gray gave it his all against a weakened Mira and still struggled, he still can use PoF regardless of the Darkness inside for Black Magic

 

[LaGOAT]

Except demon slayer magic was never consider black magic tho it’s just a caster type magic. 2. Again POF can be negative or positive. It just Postive POF>negative that was the purpose of the whole series love/bonds and friendship> Hatred and loneliness Anco wasn’t shown to use black magic but yet we know he has negative emotions which U can be consider POF too.

 

[WoWfan]

Even black magic is considered holder, caster, whatever, besides, Gray was part of Avatar which is a guild of black magic users, if he didn’t have it, they would not have permitted him to join, the only time they question his allegiance is that he was part of FT, even Invel makes it clear he does use black magic. There is no statement that PoF is negative, it has been positive from the beginning. Acnologia was just simply strong, nothing more

 

[Axiomus]

Seed is the product of Etherious which is a product of black magic.

And no, that is not the same as PoF which the seed simply changes a person

Gray used Black Magic which uses the darkness inside and is not the same as PoF.

And doesn’t matter, Gray gave it his all against a weakened Mira and still struggled, he still can use PoF regardless of the Darkness inside for Black Magic

Wrong. Igneel was talking about the dragon seed, which has absolutely nothing to do with the etherious whatsoever. Natsu's seeds grew because of his doubts over his humanity. Those emotions doubts were the darkness in Natsu's heart.

Darkness is literally just a fancy name for emotions that are negative. Gray wasn't emotionally amped against Mirajane whatsoever. He wasn't amped on positive emotions or negative emotions. It was just regular casual Gray. Gray simply isn't all that strong if he's not tapping into POF. He struggles against the historia of Ur and Wall's weakness bots when he's not amped on POF.

 

[WoWfan]

Again, seed has nothing to do with strengthening oneself, it is just transformation, it is common to have doubt in things, Gray would because he wanted to protect his friends, that alone is an amp in one’s strength, he went all out, just accept it and move on. It is common for Gray to be shaken up seeing his teacher, magic responds to the user’s mental state, he was not going all out either, he was with Mira.

 

[Ramen]

Where

I dont know about laxus. But once erza stops holding back, they were going pound to pound, pretty much equal

Stemina yes
Speed no
When erza was was holding back laxus blitz her couple of times, and erza blitz him atleast twice. Speedwise they were equal
Otherwise you will have to really degrade something of laxus for them to be in the same state at the end

The bias is your writing as if Laxus was full on bloodlust mode and Erza was holding back.

Both smiling at each other at the beginning shows they were both holding back, it doesn't matter because full out they are equal, I'm just saying both were holding back at the beginning.

Thunder body >>

Blitzng someone a couple times in a fight doesn't prove speed. Anyone can blitz for a couple hits but no actual speed was shown

 

[Axiomus]

Again, seed has nothing to do with strengthening oneself, it is just transformation, it is common to have doubt in things, Gray would because he wanted to protect his friends, that alone is an amp in one’s strength, he went all out, just accept it and move on. It is common for Gray to be shaken up seeing his teacher, magic responds to the user’s mental state, he was not going all out either, he was with Mira.

A transformation is literally the most obvious way you strengthen yourself. "It is common to have doubt in things" doesn't even mean anything. What is even the point of saying that? Igneel said that the dragon seed was the darkness in the dragon slayers hearts, and then later revealed that the seeds only grew because of Natsu's doubt in his humanity. That means the darkness in Natsu's heart is the emotions of doubt he feels. Darkness is just another way of saying negative emotions.

Gray wasn't shaken up when he saw Ur. Quite the opposite actually. He was actively telling Lyon to get his act together. It's honestly unbelievable that anyone would even try pretend that this version of Gray:

Spoiler

Has the same mindset, emotional state, or power level as this version Gray:

Spoiler

Truly baffling. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this point. Anyways, I've said all that needs to be said on this subject. Gray wasn't anywhere near his peak performance when he fought Mirajane. If Gray goes on to have another fight this arc and actually does go all out, we'll have full confirmatio of what I'm saying.