Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

It’s been stated and shown that Makarov’s and Jose’s storm feat covered the entire sky. Same with lightning and earthquake in the lake and on land. Ok I cracked the ground via stepping, You are funny!

Good, go and maybe read up on the manga

 

[Axiomus]

It’s been stated and shown that Makarov’s and Jose’s storm feat covered the entire sky. Same with lightning and earthquake in the lake and on land. Ok I cracked the ground via stepping, You are funny!

Good, go and maybe read up on the manga

The clouds above the sky covered the entire sky for Ikusatsunagi too. And no, the ground around Erza didn't crack via stepping. Ikusatsunagi's foot hadn't even appeared when that happened. That was simply Arlock's magic power affecting the weather and surroundings.

You tell me to read the manga, where Acnologia got a power-up that made him surpass his old limits....While making the argument that base Acnologia scales towards a movie feat that supposedly planet wipes, thereby having better attack power than Eternal Flare?

 

[Takuan]

What the fuck am i reading

 

[LaGOAT]

Eternal flare is moon level.

And Zeref with Fairy heart is actually Multiversal as he was gonna destroy and recreate earthland, edolas, the celestial spirit realm, and any other realm in the verse.

And base natsu with a causal punch is universal lvl

 

[WoWfan]

Missed that part about the crack thing, but that does not disprove anything for Makarov and Jose, the movie is considered canon as part of the verse as he does scale above that and SbT scales even higher

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And base natsu with a causal punch is universal lvl

Correction, Savage Flame Natsu is with Reality warping flames

 

[Axiomus]

I did not say combined with Lucy’s magic, just combined with her, difference there. Darkness is exclusive as that is how it makes Black Magic born and powered. Zeref has BM, Irene never utilized black magic, same with Acno, again, did not bring BM to the table, Hades used BM, only one of the kin has black magic which is lost magic too

Okay. So how does Natsu's magic combining with Lucy make it any better? Last time I checked, Lucy was physically weaker than Natsu.

Yeah, I think I've made my point. Just because Black Magic is born out of darkness, it doesn't mean that darkness can only be used as a source of power for black magic. Invel literally said it's a source of power available to all humans. A lot of villains use their emotions to get stronger. Bunch of characters have black magic, and dragon seeds are darkness.

 

[Verter]

I did not get a point with @Axiomus fetish with Arlock, If he meant Arlock is weak it's not true.

Power levels in pre-Alvares (Avatar) arc may be investigated very clear.

Natsu vs Bluenote and Natsu vs Arlock. Arlock layers magic was capable to hold Natsu attacks for some time. Vice versa, Bluenote trump card "black hole" was smashed like anything.

With these conditions Arlock should be stronger then Makarov and Jose, so it's not a surprise side-effects of Arlock' skills are more impressive then Makarov and Jose.

Ofc, it was time when Natsu was strong, and now Natsu struggles against Makarov.

 

[WoWfan]

This is adding with Happy’s speed too, that is another advantage. You have made your point that darkness is only relevant to black magic and curses, villains get power ups from black magic or something else external

 

[WoWfan]

Black Hole was not used in the manga

 

[Axiomus]

Missed that part about the crack thing, but that does not disprove anything for Makarov and Jose, the movie is considered canon as part of the verse as he does scale above that and SbT scales even higher

It proves that Arlock can do everything Makarov and Jose did in so far as making clouds swirl, creating lightning, and causing the ground to crack. So are you saying Arlock summoning Ikusatsunagi has better attack power than Acnologia eternal flare?

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I did not get a point with @Axiomus fetish with Arlock, If he meant Arlock is weak it's not true.

Power levels in pre-Alvares (Avatar) arc may be investigated very clear.

Natsu vs Bluenote and Natsu vs Arlock. Arlock layers magic was capable to hold Natsu attacks for some time. Vice versa, Bluenote trump card "black hole" was smashed like anything.

With these conditions Arlock should be stronger then Makarov and Jose, so it's not a surprise side-effects of Arlock' skills are more impressive then Makarov and Jose.

Ofc, it was time when Natsu was strong, and now Natsu struggles against Makarov.

I don't have a fetish for Arlock, and I don't think Arlock is weak. At least, not weaker than Jose or Makarov. Arlock is absolutely weak compared to Acnologia though. @WoWfan is saying Makarov and Jose making clouds swirl is a better feat than Acnologia's eternal flare. I'm just pointing out Arlock can do the exact same thing.

 

[LaGOAT]

@WoWfan ya in base my man tanked zeref universal lvl attack and then oneshot him with a casual punch

 

[Verter]

Arlock is absolutely weak compared to Acnologia though.

I think fingers on one hand will be more then enough for characters who is not absolutely weak against Acnologia.

It's Igneel, Zeref and Irene.

 

[WoWfan]

Ax, you are twisting my words and that is hilarious, I am saying that size does not matter, but quality does

 

[Hexbend]

@Axiomus

The clouds & ground shaking were caused by Iku & his presence. Nothing suggest it was Arlock.

As for Eternal Flare, feat wise it’s not the best in the series. No doubt it was the most powerful attack in the series, but feat wise. Acno has done better than some of the smaller attacks in Eternal Flare.

 

[Axiomus]

@Axiomus

The clouds & ground shaking were caused by Iku & his presence. Nothing suggest it was Arlock.

As for Eternal Flare, feat wise it’s not the best in the series. No doubt it was the most powerful attack in the series, but feat wise. Acno has done better than some of the smaller attacks in Eternal Flare.

Ikusatsunagi was summoned by Arlock. Ikusatsunagi is part of Arlock's magic. I mean, it doesn't really matter if it was Iksutsunagi or Arlock that did it. The point is that they can make clouds swirl just like Makarov and Jose can, and making the some clouds swirl isn't better than Acnologia blasting multiple islands with eternal flare.

Eternal flare was a boost to Acnologia's magic, which meant it would have been better than his regular attacks. Visually speaking, it's essentially a more impressive version of Ignia's setting Ermina on fire. There were multiple explosions in eternal flare that blew up islands with cities on them, so the overall bombardment is better than his roar at least. Each wave is at least city level, although honestly city level is a lowball and it's probably much higher. Either way, multiple waves over time was hyped to destroy the world. You can maybe argue that ripping Igneel in half is a more impressive feat, but honestly eternal flare probably would have wrecked Igneel too.

Makarov and Jose showed more impressive feats than that with Eternal Flare

their force alone changed the weather, which had more energy behind it than your bs claim that Acno is city level.

You claimed that Makarov and Jose's ability to change the weather was more impressive than eternal flare, and that it's bs to even suggest that Acnologia's eternal flare is even city level.

And base Acno has higher AP attacks than EF, which he already scales above world destroying feats

You also claimed that base Acnologia had better attack power than with eternal flare.

 

[WoWfan]

I said that as a way to show your logic about size is wrong, it is to debunk that way of thinking. Base Acno is Multi-Continent Level, SbT Acno is higher, Ignia's flames evaporated most of the Ocean that was lifted into the sky which too was calced at Multi-Continent level

 

[Axiomus]

This is adding with Happy’s speed too, that is another advantage. You have made your point that darkness is only relevant to black magic and curses, villains get power ups from black magic or something else external

Lucy with Happy's speed is still physically weaker than Natsu. By a lot.

Invel literally says it's "a tremendous source of power, one that any human being can possess". Invel doesn't say that only people who use black magic can use darkness. He just says that darkness is the origin of black magic, and the root of Zeref's powers.

 

[WoWfan]

You do realize that speed is a factor in kinetic energy right? Anyone being that has Black Magic, he is obviously making the connection there

 

[Axiomus]

I said that as a way to show your logic about size is wrong, it is to debunk that way of thinking. Base Acno is Multi-Continent Level, SbT Acno is higher, Ignia's flames evaporated most of the Ocean that was lifted into the sky which too was calced at Multi-Continent level

I'm not even going to get into multi-continental talks.... Just as long as you agree that Makarov and Jose making clouds swirl isn't stronger than Eternal Flare.

 

[WoWfan]

Just as long as you agree that size does not matter, but the quality, that is why Acno is stronger