Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

And he said that darkness is the foundation of black magic, and Gray uses black magic so it works

 

[Axiomus]

K

Yea, I’d imagine slashing a meteor is easier than slashing a barrage of energy attacks.

Or even just one of the explosions from the barrage of eternal flare.

 

[Hexbend]

Or even just one of the explosions from the barrage of eternal flare.

Yea

 

[WoWfan]

Well Acno with SbT is much stronger than before

 

[Ramen]

Anyone can access the so called darkness. If Lucy dies rn in front of Natsu he would go berserk, does he have black magic? No, he would get a massive PoF boost due to his hatred.

Darkness isn't something exclusive to black magic users.

 

[Axiomus]

it is still an official spell, and an ultimate attack that followed, it may have been a weak ultimate attack but it is an official attack none the less, where Lucy was powered by Natsu's strength, again, I tell you, do not just by size, but the quality. The storm is a level of power that both of them command as Wizard saints, it represents how powerful they are. Spriggans are country level already so it is not surprising anyway. What are you talking about? Irene does not scale to Dragon Gods, though she would still get high diff out of them, but still

What is an official spell supposed to mean? I guess Lucy Fire has a name and Natsu called it an ultimate attack, but it's not a secret art. Lucy fire is weaker than many of Natsu's regular attacks when he's serious. If Natsu set himself on fire and had Happy fly him at max speed while he kicks, it would be a better attack than Lucy fire because Natsu himself is physically stronger than Lucy (even with the doll enhancing her strength).

Acnologia's eternal flare is better than his roar. It's not just better than his base roar. It's better than his roar when he was powered-up by the rift of time. It simply caused more destruction.

Swirling clouds and making some lightning demonstrates the power of Wizard Saints is nice and all....but being a Wizard Saint isn't that impressive either. Like I said, Arlock can do the exact thing as Makarov and Jose insofar as creating a storm by summoning Ikusatsunagi. The swirling clouds and lightning obviously isn't as impressive as Ikusatsunagi actually splitting mountains. Ikusatsunagi would do absolute zero damage if all he did is stand around with a thunderstorm over his head lol.

The conversation was about Deus Sema in comparison to Eternal Flare. Irene would get low diffed by the Dragon Gods btw. She was oneshotted by Erza with her dragon slaying sword. Someone like Ignia could honestly oneshot Irene. The leftover flames from just one of his attacks gave Natsu the power to beat Mercphobia.

 

[WoWfan]

Still stronger than most spells, more destruction does not equal to higher quality unless you admit that size does not matter. It is called storm summoning, not swirling as it covered the entire sky. It is the quality of their magic power that did it, that speaks levels about their magic attacks, etc. Irene was not one shotted, at all, she technically beat Erza and Wendy, before she committed suicide, Merc was half strength, and natsu gained the strength of a DG

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Anyone can access the so called darkness. If Lucy dies rn in front of Natsu he would go berserk, does he have black magic? No, he would get a massive PoF boost due to his hatred.

Darkness isn't something exclusive to black magic users.

Natsu’s powers are different as they are just The flames of emotion, not darkness like black magic users like Gray. His hate would come from his END as it is curse based, plus Natsu does not hate even when Lucy died before him.

 

[Axiomus]

Still stronger than most spells, more destruction does not equal to higher quality unless you admit that size does not matter. It is called storm summoning, not swirling as it covered the entire sky. It is the quality of their magic power that did it, that speaks levels about their magic attacks, etc. Irene was not one shotted, at all, she technically beat Erza and Wendy, before she committed suicide, Merc was half strength, and natsu gained the strength of a DG

What spell is Lucy fire stronger than? It's literally one of the weakest finishers in the series. It might be better than Natsu's regular punches or kicks when he's not serious, but that's about it. It's weaker than the finisher Natsu used to beat Gajeel. It's less impressive than Natsu stopping Dorma Anim's stomp and throwing it.

There's absolutely nothing to suggest that Eternal Flare has inferior quality compared to Acnologia's base roar. In fact, there's reason to believe that it's superior because the rift of time makes Acnologia stronger.

Call it whatever you want. It's still not impressive.

Irene's dragon form was oneshotted, and she's not putting up any fight against a God Dragon in her exhausted human form. To put this in perspective, the entirety of team Natsu with dragon slaying seals couldn't even scratch Mercphobia.

The official volume doesn't actually say anything about Mercphobia weakened to half strength. And this falls in line with Carmina's statement about how the White Witch never stole Mercphobia's magic power, only his self control. Ignia just says that Mercphobia wasn't fighting seriously, and was using less than half his strength. Mercphobia would have gotten serious when he started getting beaten up.

The strength that Natsu gained was from just one of Ignia's attacks. In fact it was the left over flames from Ignia's attack after Mercphobia tried to put them out. Ignia could have honestly oneshotted Mercphobia if he actually aimed his attack at Mercphobia, but he purposely avoided hitting Mercphobia just so Natsu could grow.

 

[Ramen]

Does Natsu have END? No, yes he had hatred towards Future Rogue when Lucy was killed. Yes he had hatred for Acnologia when Igneel was killed. Anyone can access this darkness power-up, they just need a reason for it.

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entirety of team Natsu with dragon slaying seals couldn't even scratch Mercphobia

50% Mercuphobia too

 

[WoWfan]

Not according to Natsu who gave it the title or ultimate attack, I warned you, not to judge a spell by it’s appearance alone. Not saying EF is inferior, you are the one taking only appearance as the sole factor and nothing else, so by that logic, Makarov’s storm feat is better. One shot means to end a fight in one hit, this does not qualify, Irene‘s dragon form just could not be sustained from a DS attack. Yet Merc did not get serious when he is not in control even with Igneel, he was just angry, and Ingia’s arrack is a reflection of the strength of a DG who can lift the ocean.

Natsu does have END when he thought Lucy died in Alvarez, the curse power and END took over

even before that, he does not have hatred even when Lucy died,

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With Natsu is all about getting back at those who done his friends and family wrong, not to make them suffer, even with Acno it is no different.

darkness/negative emotions is for those with black magic or curses

 

[Axiomus]

Not according to Natsu who gave it the title or ultimate attack, I warned you, not to judge a spell by it’s appearance alone. Not saying EF is inferior, you are the one taking only appearance as the sole factor and nothing else, so by that logic, Makarov’s storm feat is better. One shot means to end a fight in one hit, this does not qualify, Irene‘s dragon form just could not be sustained from a DS attack. Yet Merc did not get serious when he is not in control even with Igneel, he was just angry, and Ingia’s arrack is a reflection of the strength of a DG who can lift the ocean.

Natsu does have END when he thought Lucy died in Alvarez, the curse power and END took over

even before that, he does not have hatred even when Lucy died,

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With Natsu is all about getting back at those who done his friends and family wrong, not to make them suffer, even with Acno it is no different.

darkness/negative emotions is for those with black magic or curses

So? Just because Natsu calls it an ultimate attack, it doesn't mean it's actually strong.

I'm judging it based off of everything. Eternal Flare is both visually more impressive and logically stronger than Acnologia's roar. It's also more visually impressive and logically stronger than Makarov and Jose making storms too. A single explosion from eternal flare would wipe out both the Fairy Tail and Phantom Lord guild. The whole thing about Makarov and Jose making storms being impressive is nonsense to begin with. Arlock can do the exact same thing by summoning Ikusatsunagi, and he's a fodder compared to Acno.

Irene's dragon form was defeated in one hit by Erza. Even if you say she stood back up against Erza, that's not going to accomplish much against a God Dragon. Also dragon slaying magic is just a dragon's power enchanted into a human. If Irene can't take the power of Wendy's magic enchanted into Erza's swords, then she's not tanking any attacks from an actual dragon. Mercphobia got serious when he used the big roar. White Witch doesn't prevent people from getting serious. That's like saying Laxus couldn't get serious against Erza.

Ignia's attack is superior to Mercphobia lifting the ocean. Mercphobia literally tried to drop the ocean back down on Ignia's flames to extinguish them, and it didn't work. Then Natsu ate the leftover flames and beat Mercphobia up with them.

 

[WoWfan]

It would, that is why it is called ultimate, not from the way you have been debating lately, Acno would be stronger than his base who is stronger than Makarov, Jose, the 4G and the Spriggans, even stronger than Phoenix which can end the world, it is called scaling. But Irene was not defeated in one hit, she was going to win before shenanigans happened, even Wendy made dragons feel pain and injured when she was in a weakened stated, it is already stated that Dragons are weaker than Spriggans, so no, Dragons are not stronger. That doesn’t stop Merc from not being serious the whole time, yet Laxus did and even stronger than before was still injured by her. Same with ignia’s flames not vaporizing all the water, and those flames possess the strength of a DG

 

[Axiomus]

It would, that is why it is called ultimate, not from the way you have been debating lately, Acno would be stronger than his base who is stronger than Makarov, Jose, the 4G and the Spriggans, even stronger than Phoenix which can end the world, it is called scaling. But Irene was not defeated in one hit, she was going to win before shenanigans happened, even Wendy made dragons feel pain and injured when she was in a weakened stated, it is already stated that Dragons are weaker than Spriggans, so no, Dragons are not stronger. That doesn’t stop Merc from not being serious the whole time, yet Laxus did and even stronger than before was still injured by her. Same with ignia’s flames not vaporizing all the water, and those flames possess the strength of a DG

Do you think Lucy fire would have taken out any of the other 7 kin? Or Gajeel? Or Dorma Anim? No.
Lucy fire is simply a weak attack, and Kain Hikaru going down to it makes him look weak.
The footsoldiers that Gajeel fought were more impressive than Kain.

Erza didn't just make Irene feel pain. She gave Irene a massive cut along her neck and body. Wendy's magic power is a fraction of Grandeeney's magic power, and Grandeeney's physical strength is far above Erza's. If Irene can't tank Wendy's magic enchanted into Erza's sword, then she's not tanking shots from Grandeeney either. Dragons like Igneel would rip limbs off from Irene, and Acnologia himself would rip her in half. If Natsu punched Irene with the same shot he took down Mercphobia with, Irene wouldn't just revert to her dragon form and get back up. She'd be knocked out and have all of her magic wiped out for life.

Mercphobia went serious when he used the big roar. He just wasn't serious before because there was no reason to. When Natsu started beating him up, he had every reason to take it more seriously.

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Anyways, it doesn't matter. Whether or not Mercphobia was fighting seriously or not, it doesn't change the MP that he has and it doesn't even change the physical durability of his body. Mercphobia already has better durability feats than Irene, even when he's not fighting seriously. Ignia's power allowed Natsu to beat him in 4 shots, and those 4 shots uses power from just one of Ignia's own attacks.

 

[WoWfan]

Gajeel went down to non kin members, what you sayin? Kain is simply stronger, It is an ultimate attack, appropriate for how strong one of the kin are. There is nothing to suggest that Grandeeny is that strong, DS magic gives one the means to be able cut through dragon scales that are hard to pierce through, even spears can injure dragons. Does not change the fact that Nstsu at the time was on the level of a DG. plus Merc was not in the right mindset. And that one attack is the level of a DG

 

[Verter]

Hm, @Axiomus said to much about Mercphobia and compared his feats with other characters from canon...
But I feel some things smell so strange.
One guy here (with nickname Racoon/Ravon/Fyron or similar) advocated "anime is canon", and @Axiomus was not disagree with it,

So, if compare Merc "feats" with regular (casual / common) dragon like Animus (who was oneshotted by Acno) we will got that Animus had better feats then Merc

In these realms, we should say Merc is just trash (common) dragon, right ? How may possible to compare him with top tier dragons ?

 

[Axiomus]

Gajeel went down to non kin members, what you sayin? Kain is simply stronger, It is an ultimate attack, appropriate for how strong one of the kin are. There is nothing to suggest that Grandeeny is that strong, DS magic gives one the means to be able cut through dragon scales that are hard to pierce through, even spears can injure dragons. Does not change the fact that Nstsu at the time was on the level of a DG. plus Merc was not in the right mindset. And that one attack is the level of a DG

Yeah, and those foot-soldiers members did more damage to Gajeel than Kain did to Lucy. Kain was simply weak. Why is Natsu calling it an ultimate attack supposed to be anything special? You do realize that the wording used when Natsu says ultimate attack isn't the same as 'dragon slayer's secret art' right? That would be 滅竜奥義 (metsu-ryu ogi). He uses the wording 必殺 (hi satsu), which is actually the same wording that Happy uses to refer to Natsu's junk when he calls that an "ultimate attack". Lucy Fire was obvious a comedic gag, and we have about as much reason to take it seriously as Happy calling Natsu's penis an ultimate attack.

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Grandeeney is literally able to destroy the magic of hundreds of faces (there were 3000 faces spread among 4 dragons). DF Wendy isn't even able to destroy one. She could only destroy the physical structure of face, but couldn't destroy the actual magic with her attack. So yeah, Grandeeney's magic is hundreds of times stronger than Wendy's magic, and her physical strength is better than Erza's.

Ignia oneshots Irene with the attack he used to feed Natsu. Aldoron crushes her through sheer size alone. Selene would just take away her powers like she did against Touka, who is Zeref level and stronger than Irene. The only God Dragon that might even slightly struggle against Irene is Mercphobia, and even he beats her with relative ease.

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Hm, @Axiomus said to much about Mercphobia and compared his feats with other characters from canon...
But I feel some things smell so strange.
One guy here (with nickname Racoon/Ravon/Fyron or similar) advocated "anime is canon", and @Axiomus was not disagree with it,

So, if compare Merc "feats" with regular (casual / common) dragon like Animus (who was oneshotted by Acno) we will got that Animus had better feats then Merc

In these realms, we should say Merc is just trash (common) dragon, right ? How may possible to compare him with top tier dragons ?

Some things from the anime are canon. Things from the final season are definitely canon because Hiro worked on it. Acnologia's entire backstory is told through the fillers. Dragon Cry is canon too.

Animus didn't have better feats than Mercphobia. Natsu with Ignia's flame is superior to dragonized Natsu from Dragon Cry. Natsu wasn't burning himself with his flames when he fought Animus. Also, Animus isn't a common dragon. He was powered by Dragon Cry, which had all of the power from the dragons that were slain by Acnologia.

 

[Verter]

Animus didn't have better feats than Mercphobia. Natsu with Ignia's flame is far superior to dragonized Natsu.

Ho? Since when Merc feats is more impressive then Animus ones ?

If fairly see on environment, answer is clear.

 

[WoWfan]

Your image is broke. Yet those fodder admitted they are stronger than they are, so no, Kain is stronger. Does not change the fact that is is Natsu’s power combined with the doll that affected Lucy’s physical stats and Happy’s speed is powerful. Grandeeny destroying those faces are not impressive when compared to Motherglare’s roar. And that is weaker than Spriggans. DF Wendy is able to destroy one, that was before Alvarez. DGs are relatively the same level, that is all

 

[Axiomus]

Ho? Since when Merc feats is more impressive then Animus ones ?

If fairly see on environment, answer is clear.

Since the beginning to anyone that paid attention.

The flames that Natsu was using when he fought Animus wasn't strong enough to burn his own hands, which means the flames that Natsu used against Mercphobia was stronger. Base Natsu was actually pushing Animus back with his punches, and then tank several shots from Animus' magic. Then Natsu dragonized, and Animus absorbed more power from Dragon Cry. Then dragonized Natsu killed Animus. Natsu was more powerful against Mercphobia, and he did more damage to Animus than he did to Mercphobia.

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Your image is broke. Yet those fodder admitted they are stronger than they are, so no, Kain is stronger. Does not change the fact that is is Natsu’s power combined with the doll that affected Lucy’s physical stats and Happy’s speed is powerful. Grandeeny destroying those faces are not impressive when compared to Motherglare’s roar. And that is weaker than Spriggans. DF Wendy is able to destroy one, that was before Alvarez. DGs are relatively the same level, that is all

Kain could very well be stronger than those fodder, but he's still weak. Lucy's physical stats even with the doll is weaker than Natsu's regular physical stats, so Lucy fire is no different than Happy flying Lucy in for a kick. The image you couldn't see is this. This is what it means to have Natsu or Happy call something an "ultimate attack":

Wendy was only able to destroy the physical structure of face, which means nothing. The magic power of face was still there. Carla had to convert that magic power into an explosion in order to fully destroy face. The parent dragons didn't just destroy the physical structure of face. They had to destroy the magic power itself. This is why Grandeeney destroying faces is far more impressive than Motherglare's roar. Each face has enough magic power to cause city/mountain level explosion, each dragon had to destroy roughly 750 of these. If you can't see the images: Chapter 378, P18-20. Find it yourself.

Spoiler: Magic power of face in an explosion

Ignia's power stomped Mercphobia. More importantly: Even if every DG is roughly on the same level, all of them would beat Irene easily.

 

[Verter]

Even if every DG is roughly on the same level, all of them would beat Irene easily.

Well, it's your rights to keep dreaming.

N.B. Kyria said she can cut everything and stomps Dragon Gods and dragonized Nebal stronger then Kyria.

residual projection vs dragonized Nebal, you remember result ?