Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[sharkai]

Exactly. Acnologia has greater physical strength as a dragon than as a human, despite having equal amounts of MP. Igneel has physical strength pretty much on par with Acnologia. Natsu is literally gaining aspects of a dragon when he uses dragon force, and the dragon he takes after is Igneel. Why would he not inherit Igneel's physical strength if he's physically becoming more like Igneel?

If you want to say the Spriggans are country level based on hype, then you might as well take Mercphobia's hype of being on Acnologia's level at face value. That would make him stronger than all the Spriggans, plus Zeref. Anyways, none of the Spriggans can casually flood a city because their power was too great to contain. Stuff like Sand World is already a high-level move for them. Mercphobia wasn't even fighting seriously when he lifted the ocean.

I'm actually not too terribly concerned with how DF Natsu stacks up against Irene, or whatever it is you're trying to argue with Mercphobia here. The bottom line here is that Ignia with just one attack is able to make Natsu strong enough to defeat Mercphobia. Natsu wipe out all of Mercphobia's magic power for the foreseeable future, and would have kept going if Lucy hadn't stopped him. Unless you're making the claim that Irene is much stronger than Mercphobia and would beat Natsu with Ignia's flames, then Ignia himself would oneshot Irene with the attack he used to feed Natsu.

@Verter said what he said. If he meant something else, he should have said something else.

i am not making any claims other than Merphobia feats werent so good and @Verter might have meant something else
other than that i agree merphobia is stronger than irene by alot.

 

[WoWfan]

in short, there is nothing special about dragons that would make them any more exclusive compared to any other being in the verse, only the specific magics that they use

 

[Ramen]

And the fact that they can't be beaten by anyone

1 dragon (Acno) is stronger than the entire Alvarez Empire

 

[WoWfan]

the fact they can be taken down by regular spears

 

[grey matter]

i dont think he is saying nebal>merc
he is just saying merc feats are nowhere near aconologia, or maybe even dragon irene, whose attack power was pretty high
and i dont think he is saying irene>merc. just merc didnt show anything impressive

Full team Natsu (current) >> Current Erza > Alverez Erza.
nerfed Merc >>>>>> Eileen
not all of this is fact
merc most likely is >>>Eileen
current erza>alverzec erza (fact)
but alverzec pof erza (whom you call crippled erza)>>current erza

full team natsu werent really trying that hard (for plot reason). i mean erza belserion sword and fire and ice sword are missing. gray mostl likely will also show some new moves soon

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Full Team Natsu was literally going to die. That was the entire point of Ignia needing to show up

pof isnt quantifiable sure, but what erza did is. irene and august are in the same tier. their top tier move would be around deus sema. crippled erza wrecked that.

dudes its mishma
do you honestly think, in mishma world
nakama power being below LFDTBS mode

I'm using previous cases of POF as benchmarks. All that POF usages previously did was convert a match where MC would lose high or extreme diff TO an extreme diff win. Case in point:
- Natsu vs Gajeel : Gajeel was high/extreme diffing Natsu until Natsu got POF, and Natsu extreme diff'd Gajeel
- Natsu vs severely exhausted Laxus
- DF Natsu vs Zero : Zero was high diffing Natsu until POF made Natsu activate golden flames to burn through genesis zero
- Erza vs Azuma : Azuma went from high diffing Erza to losing to her extreme diff
- Erza vs Kyouka - Kyouka went from having high diff to losing extreme diff

I can go on, but you get the point. These usually tend to be a bit of a push from the norm, in order to overcome a reasonable difference in power level through unreasonable BS, but lets leave it for now :P . Unlike LFD, DF etc which are significant powerups, that turn tides from no/low diff to almost equal matchups (Natsu vs Jellal, Zero etc for DF; LFD Natsu matching/beating etherious transformation of Tempesta, Jackal while base tempesta was matching base Natsu, Jackal)

i dont think dragonize natsu starts to resemble igneel body in term of strength. basically my point is igneel body isnt anything special without the power. its just normal dragon body amped with alot of power. dragonize natsu should have normal dragon body, unless natsu power becomes equal to igneel


no, i think he meant to show merc feats only. lifting somepart of the sea is springgan level maybe. everyone attacks werent that strong (according to their own standard, think ajeel vs team A), i dont think slayer advantage is that high (irene example is brought up only to downgrade erza)

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Eileen example is brought up to show that an August level character can one one shot by Erza with broken bones, once slayer advantage is applicable. That's how big of an equalizer slayer advantage is. For comparison, August tanked Gildarts' strongest attack, that he wasn't immune to, with nearly no damage - just a bloody lip. Even Gildarts was amped on friendship, we can we please ignore POF here and just see the difference in damage output?
You wouldn't argue against Gildart's damage being far above Erza's, right?

Gray was like 10 tiers below Mard, considering that DF Natsu amped on friendship did basically zero damage to him. While a clean attack from Gray floored Mard.

 

[Demon Hunter]

acno is alot stronger
and has a sh1tty hax

yeah, but he was killing them without even using magic.

he was mostly using his physical strength in his human form.

 

[Ramen]

the fact they can be taken down by regular spears

In the past and we don't even know if they were since you're relying on a single photo.

Not a single dragon has been taken down properly on screen in this entire series

 

[Fyron]

Full Team Natsu was literally going to die. That was the entire point of Ignia needing to show up



I'm using previous cases of POF as benchmarks. All that POF usages previously did was convert a match where MC would lose high or extreme diff TO an extreme diff win. Case in point:
- Natsu vs Gajeel : Gajeel was high/extreme diffing Natsu until Natsu got POF, and Natsu extreme diff'd Gajeel
- Natsu vs severely exhausted Laxus
- DF Natsu vs Zero : Zero was high diffing Natsu until POF made Natsu activate golden flames to burn through genesis zero
- Erza vs Azuma : Azuma went from high diffing Erza to losing to her extreme diff
- Erza vs Kyouka - Kyouka went from having high diff to losing extreme diff

I can go on, but you get the point. These usually tend to be a bit of a push from the norm, in order to overcome a reasonable difference in power level through unreasonable BS, but lets leave it for now :P . Unlike LFD, DF etc which are significant powerups, that turn tides from no/low diff to almost equal matchups (Natsu vs Jellal, Zero etc for DF; LFD Natsu matching/beating etherious transformation of Tempesta, Jackal while base tempesta was matching base Natsu, Jackal)



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Eileen example is brought up to show that an August level character can one one shot by Erza with broken bones, once slayer advantage is applicable. That's how big of an equalizer slayer advantage is. For comparison, August tanked Gildarts' strongest attack, that he wasn't immune to, with nearly no damage - just a bloody lip. Even Gildarts was amped on friendship, we can we please ignore POF here and just see the difference in damage output?
You wouldn't argue against Gildart's damage being far above Erza's, right?

Gray was like 10 tiers below Mard, considering that DF Natsu amped on friendship did basically zero damage to him. While a clean attack from Gray floored Mard.

Gray wants to disagree lol. He went from getting stomped by Invel in base to stomping him in base.

There's no slayer advantage for dragon slayers. All dragon slayers can do is bypass the dragon scales which are highly resistant to everything apart from DS magic. Dragon Slaying magic is merely a dragon's power enchanted into a human , like Wendy enchants powers. The reason Irene got oneshotted out of her dragon form was because she was already 75% damaged in her human form , on top of Erza being on PoF , not slayer advantage. The damage from her human form translates to that of her dragon form after transformationa and vice versa , we know this from Acnologia's missing arm in both forms. It's not a stretch to assume that slash from Erza did 15% damage to her and she got knocked out of her dragon form after hitting critical health levels. Also , nobody said August and Irene's durability has to be the same. August wins in durability and versatility , whereas Irene wins in offense. Irene oneshotted Erza while in her dragon form , August only oneshotted Brandish. Oneshotting Erza >>>>> Oneshotting Brandish.

Devil Slaying Magic isn't the same as Dragon Slaying Magic. Devil Slaying Magic is a branch of magic that works against curse users , it isn't a curse demon's power enchanted into a human by demons. Demons who can use DeS are likely different than those who use curses. And main point is , in this case demons aren't weak to something they use themselves.

 

[Verter]

I am usually too lazy to prevent people from being mistaken about my statements, but now I think I need to explain.
First, @sharkai was right and @Axiomus was wrong
The @Axiomus posts remind me, if be true, the Chinese novels about a beloved daughter and abandoned one. If you know, beloved daughter "White Lotus" says "kind words in defence of her sister", so she just needs to repent and admit her mistake, but in reality with each "kind word" that snake is drowning her sister harder and harder.
So, I think @Axiomus very well knows Chinese culture (let me make suggestion xD)

In fact, the @Axiomus forgot or did not see (by mistake or willfully) "[according to] that logic".
This is not an algebra where if we know that "a" > "b" and "b > "c", then we can say "a" > "c".
I was just showing the inadequacy of that kind of logic. No more, no less.
Look! - Erza defeated Dragon Irene, Kiria defeated Erza, Dragonized Nebal stronger than Kyria (manga says this), With this corrupted logic Dragonized Nebal should defeat Irene, but what did we see? A piece of Irene residual magic defeated Dragonized Nebal with a single blow.

Frankly speaking, comparing fights between the main characters and antagonists is a thankless task from the very beginning. Why? Plot and with Mashima -PoF.
FH-Zeref with a single blow caused the fatal wounds on Natsu, few mins after Natsu with one hit defeated FH-Zeref. Dragno Irene breaks all Erza bones except one, few mins after Erza with a single intact bone causing serious wounds on Dragon Irene. What's it? This is the wildest PoF.

The actual level of power can only been shown in the battles between heroes (like Erza vs Laxus) or between antagonist themselves (Acno vs God Serena) or between secondary characters.

Now about Merc. I actually said his "feats" was weak for his hype, and don't pay anything for be Acno-level.
Erza, and Natsu did not show any overcomes against Merc, It's fact. And absolutely their fight is not even near their PoFs vs Zeref and Irene.

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Eileen example is brought up to show that an August level character can one one shot by Erza with broken bones, once slayer advantage is applicable.

No, because, it also requires PoF.

N.B. By the way, even with PoF Irene still could fight while Erza is not. Quite strange oneshot.

 

[WoWfan]

In the past and we don't even know if they were since you're relying on a single photo.

Not a single dragon has been taken down properly on screen in this entire series

Doesn’t change anything as they were still visibly wounded from them, so they are not invinsible.

that is only because in every encounter with Dragons the wizards have been weaken substantially prior

 

[Axiomus]

I am usually too lazy to prevent people from being mistaken about my statements, but now I think I need to explain.
First, @sharkai was right and @Axiomus was wrong
The @Axiomus posts remind me, if be true, the Chinese novels about a beloved daughter and abandoned one. If you know, beloved daughter "White Lotus" says "kind words in defence of her sister", so she just needs to repent and admit her mistake, but in reality with each "kind word" that snake is drowning her sister harder and harder.
So, I think @Axiomus very well knows Chinese culture (let me make suggestion xD)

In fact, the @Axiomus forgot or did not see (by mistake or willfully) "[according to] that logic".
This is not an algebra where if we know that "a" > "b" and "b > "c", then we can say "a" > "c".
I was just showing the inadequacy of that kind of logic. No more, no less.
Look! - Erza defeated Dragon Irene, Kiria defeated Erza, Dragonized Nebal stronger than Kyria (manga says this), With this corrupted logic Dragonized Nebal should defeat Irene, but what did we see? A piece of Irene residual magic defeated Dragonized Nebal with a single blow.

Frankly speaking, comparing fights between the main characters and antagonists is a thankless task from the very beginning. Why? Plot and with Mashima -PoF.
FH-Zeref with a single blow caused the fatal wounds on Natsu, few mins after Natsu with one hit defeated FH-Zeref. Dragno Irene breaks all Erza bones except one, few mins after Erza with a single intact bone causing serious wounds on Dragon Irene. What's it? This is the wildest PoF.

The actual level of power can only been shown in the battles between heroes (like Erza vs Laxus) or between antagonist themselves (Acno vs God Serena) or between secondary characters.

Now about Merc. I actually said his "feats" was weak for his hype, and don't pay anything for be Acno-level.
Erza, and Natsu did not show any overcomes against Merc, It's fact. And absolutely their fight is not even near their PoFs vs Zeref and Irene.

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No, because, it also requires PoF.

N.B. By the way, even with PoF Irene still could fight while Erza is not. Quite strange oneshot.

I stand by what I said, which is you said what you said. If you meant something else, you should have said something else. Your inability to get your point across is on you. You've had multiple chances over multiple posts to clarify your position, but you kept arguing that Dragon Eaters were stronger than the God Dragons.

Kyria alone went on hunting Merc, and DE trio was for sure slaying DG is feasible job.

N.B. When we speak about Irene, it's recognised warrior by Acno.

By the way, I hope all remember result between mere residual projection of Irene vs dragonized Nebal ?!

dragonized Nebal > DE trio > Merc.

Anyways, you didn't show the inadequacy in any logic, because the example you used has absolutely nothing to do with any of my claims. There is a very obviously flaw in your argument. Everyone here should know very well that Kyria defeated Erza through hypnosis. and then got outclassed in the rematch. So obviously Kyria wasn't stronger than Erza when it came to actual combat prowess, and therefore she doesn't scale above Irene. How did Natsu with Ignia's flames beat up Mercphobia? By beating him over the head with attacks. Is there any reason why Natsu wouldn't be able to beat Irene over the head with those same attacks? No. So is there any real reason why Ignia wouldn't oneshot Irene with the attack used to feed Natsu? Nope.

 

[Verter]

Anyways, you didn't show the inadequacy in any logic, because the example you used has absolutely nothing to do with any of my claims. There is a very obviously flaw in your argument. Everyone here should know very well that Kyria defeated Erza through hypnosis. So obviously Kyria wasn't stronger than Erza when it came to actual combat prowess, and therefore she doesn't scale above Irene. How did Natsu with Ignia's flames beat up Mercphobia? By beating him over the head with attacks. Is there any reason why Natsu wouldn't be able to beat Irene over the head with those same attacks? No.

I thought Kyria blocked Erza sword ? Dragon Irene did not do so with PoF Erza sword.
If we don't count PoF, Kyria should be stronger.... And Dragonized Nebal stronger then Kyria.

 

[grey matter]

I thought Kyria blocked Erza sword ? Dragon Irene did not do so with PoF Erza sword.
If we don't count PoF, Kyria should be stronger.... And Dragonized Nebal stronger then Kyria.

Exactly.

Kyria BLOCKED the sword.

Eileen didn't bother blocking, because she thought she can tank, until it was too late when she realized Wendy enchanted DS magic on her sword.

 

[Axiomus]

I thought Kyria blocked Erza sword ? Dragon Irene did not do so with PoF Erza sword.
If we don't count PoF, Kyria should be stronger.... And Dragonized Nebal stronger then Kyria.

If you want to call this a block.

Spoiler

Erza is stronger than Kyria. Erza gave Laxus an extreme diff fight, whereas Kyria got low-diffed. And yeah, Dragonized Nebal could possibly be stronger than base Kyria. Where you lose everybody is when you say that dragonized Nebal is stronger than Mercphobia because he was beating up on Wendy.

 

[grey matter]

No, because, it also requires PoF.

N.B. By the way, even with PoF Irene still could fight while Erza is not. Quite strange oneshot.

Gildarts had POF against August as well, still couldn't do jack.

I meant she one shotted Eileen out of her dragon form. Doesn't mean Eileen is completely pout cold. Maybe I'm phrasing it wrong, but all it took was one hit for Erza to knock Eileen out of her dragon form

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If you want to call this a block.

Spoiler

Erza is stronger than Kyria. Erza gave Laxus an extreme diff fight, whereas Kyria got low-diffed.

That's cause Erza had external buffs against Laxus, but yeah by combat Kyria is weaker than Erza. Just not to the extend of the difference between Laxus and Kiria. I think Kiria can give mid diff to normal Erza in combat, while Laxus basically stomped her.

 

[Verter]

@Axiomus is really big fun of Chinese novels xD Don't offence, just friendly joke.
I meant another block, and I think you clearly understood which one I meant.

About PoFs... (well i noticed Jean Gray here, so i've not choice but...)

Base Zeref (who also supreme underestimated here) actually tanked Natsu mode with dead Ingeel power, FH Zeref oneshotted Natsu (technically he killed him, because Natsu life force - letter in book of E.N.D. started to disappear with extreme speed).
It was feats.
What happened after - wildest PoF.
Some ppl also bring WW on same level with Zeref -> she may be same level threat, but for be on his level (i mean power), she did not show anything near.
About Irene and PoF Erza I said before.

 

[Axiomus]

That's cause Erza had external buffs against Laxus, but yeah by combat Kyria is weaker than Erza. Just not to the extend of the difference between Laxus and Kiria. I think Kiria can give mid diff to normal Erza in combat, while Laxus basically stomped her.

I don't really consider the enchanted swords external buffs. They're just better equipment. But yes, Kyria does seem to be able to give Erza slightly more difficulty.

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@Axiomus is really big fun of Chinese novels xD Don't offence, just friendly joke.
I meant another block, and I think you clearly understood which one I meant.

About PoFs... (well i noticed Jean Gray here, so i've not choice but...)

Base Zeref (who also supreme underestimated here) actually tanked Natsu mode with dead Ingeel power, FH Zeref oneshotted Natsu (technically he killed him, because Natsu life force - letter in book of E.N.D. started to disappear with extreme speed).
It was feats.
What happened after - wildest PoF.
Some ppl also bring WW on same level with Zeref -> she may be same level threat, but for be on his level (i mean power), she did not show anything near.
About Irene and PoF Erza I said before.

Sure, Kyria can block some of Erza's slashes. But those slashes weren't with Erza going all out like she did with Irene, so I don't see your point. When Erza gets a bit serious, she outclassed Kyria.

Tbh I have no idea what you're trying to say with base Zeref.
1) Yes, Zeref tanked some attacks from Igneel's power. He was also going to die with the last attack, but credit where credit is due.
2) FH Zeref reformed his body after Natsu exhausted himself with Dragon Force, and then stabbed Natsu. You could say that Zeref was going to kill Natsu.
3) Natsu's maximum flames of emotions was able to defeat FH Zeref, so yes POF is a massive power-up.

If your argument is simply that POF is a huge power-up and made a major difference in Natsu's performance against Zeref, then sure. Nobody is arguing against that. But what does anything of this have to do with Dragon Gods vs Irene?

 

[Verter]

Ignia and Irene?

? I used same logic with PoF with Erza and Irene,

About Ignia.. It seems you mistyped with Merc. If so, team Natsu was not going full out versus Merc, I did not see any PoF. So, all his feats looks insufficient.

 

[Axiomus]

? I used same logic with PoF with Erza and Irene,

About Ignia.. It seems you mistyped with Merc. If so, team Natsu was not going full out versus Merc, I did not see any PoF. So, all his feats looks insufficient.

What logic? Nobody is arguing against the fact that POF made a huge difference between Erza and Irene either.

No, I meant Ignia and Irene. Specifically, what does any of what you have to say have anything to do with Ignia's ability to oneshot Irene.

 

[Verter]

What logic? Nobody is arguing that POF made a huge difference between Erza and Irene either.

No, I meant Ignia and Irene. Specifically, what does any of what you have to say have anything to do with Ignia's ability to oneshot Irene.

If I correctly remember, I said I only say about 1 from 5 DGs, because for others we still don't see their full fights.
So, I said only about Merc (for now).

But also, I said I did not recognise Aldron feats against MC fodders as something overwhelming,

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If you mean posts about Acno level , I strongly anticipate these words till they actually show something like it.
(But it's mostly lore issues and low possibility for them actually reach Acno level)