Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

OK but who did the bulk of the damage? Erza, plus Wendy is a DS and Irene is a dragon.
Just because Wendy couldn't do damage doesnt mean sting cant.

Sting>Wendy

Erza did not really land any damage on Irene until Wendy dealt the first successful blow, even then, Irene is way more powerful than Dimaria was, so the difference in magical durability is great when she uses God Soul.

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu defeated Iku using Igneel's flames which conveniently has the ability defeat Gods or God based powers

END's powers proved to have the ability to overcome god powers like Igneel's flames do

Natsu never used Igneel's magic power against Ikusatsunagi. He used Igneel's flames, which are just Fire Dragon King flames. Natsu can use FDK flames without actually tapping into Igneel's magic power.

Even if Natsu was tapping into Igneel's magic power, Igneel's magic powers do not any special hax against gods or god-based magic. The whole "power of the dead" thing simply has the abilities to kill immortals like Zeref. Zeref isn't a god, and Ikustasunagi isn't an immortal.

END's powers isn't God Slaying Magic, so it isn't super effective against gods. It is simply so powerful that it surpasses Chronos' power, and allows Natsu to move through Dimaria's age seal.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

So Dragon Gods scale to Acnologia, who scales above FH Zeref...

WOW, I DIDNT KNOW. ITS NOT LIKE THEY TOLD US THEY WERE ACNOLOGIA LEVEL THREATS. ITS SOOOOO UNEXPECTED


i honestly dont know why people didnt take Chapter 2's statement serious at all, or the statement in chapter 3, or ignia comparing all 5 of them to acno... how many times have they been compared to acno again? Anyways, it was basically the authors way to tell us the level of power our characters are gonna deal with.

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Also, i definitely have to see a roar from aldoron.

 

[WoWfan]

Igneel's flames are the same as his power, as magic power = flames, the power of the dead could kill immortals yes, but because that power was from a god, so it would still be in the same category. END's powers are to surpass the power of a god, God Slayer Magic is to slay gods. That is not how Dimaria's power works, otherwise we would have seen other people moving in stopped time

 

[WoWfan]

So Dragon Gods scale to Acnologia, who scales above FH Zeref...

WOW, I DIDNT KNOW. ITS NOT LIKE THEY TOLD US THEY WERE ACNOLOGIA LEVEL THREATS. ITS SOOOOO UNEXPECTED


i honestly dont know why people didnt take Chapter 2's statement serious at all, or the statement in chapter 3, or ignia comparing all 5 of them to acno... how many times have they been compared to acno again? Anyways, it was basically the authors way to tell us the level of power our characters are gonna deal with.

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Also, i definitely have to see a roar from aldoron.

it is not about the statement, it is their level of power that is important

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

it is not about the statement, it is their level of power that is important

Re-state your sentence again, cause the statement was pretty much their level of power.
maybe you wanted to say something else?

 

[Axiomus]

Igneel's flames are the same as his power, as magic power = flames, the power of the dead could kill immortals yes, but because that power was from a god, so it would still be in the same category. END's powers are to surpass the power of a god, God Slayer Magic is to slay gods. That is not how Dimaria's power works, otherwise we would have seen other people moving in stopped time

No, it's not. Magic power = magic power. Flames = flames. Sometimes flames can contain magic power, which can be eaten to asborb said magic power. But Igneel didn't leave any flames for Natsu to eat. He simply left his magic power inside Natsu's arm.

• Igneel's flames are Fire Dragon King flames. Natsu can use Fire Dragon King flames without using Igneel's power. He's doing so all the time. When Natsu used demolition fist against Ikusatsunagi, he was using his own magic power. We know this because Natsu can only use Igneel's magic power once, and he saved it to be used against Zeref.
• Igneel's magic power is the magic power in Natsu's arm. Natsu can also use this magic power however he wants. In fact, Natsu doesn't even use FDK throughout most of his fight with Zeref. Only the finisher move was done in FDK mode. The rest was simply base mode attacks. So not only do we have evidence of Natsu using Igneel's flames without using Igneel's magic power, but we also have evidence of Natsu using Igneel's magic power without using Igneel's flames.

Anyways, power of the dead has nothing to do with killing gods. Yes, Zeref was cursed by a god to be an immortal. But he's still not a god, and Ikusatsunagi wasn't cursed by Ankhseram to be immortal.

"Surpassing the power of a god" simply means being stronger than a god. Just so we're clear, Dimaria's exact words isn't even that END surpasses the power of a god. Her exact words was asking "How could he have more power than a god?". The only hax that END could possibly possess, if he possesses one at all, is the ability to move through Age Seal. It doesn't allow Natsu to deal extra damage against gods like God Slaying magic does.

Spoiler

 

[WoWfan]

Flames = magic power as magic is a part of everything in nature and life, they are relative to each other. Igneel left his flames inside of Natsu as he can even use his flames while inside of Natsu very early in the story. Natsu can still use FDK flames because they are his own flames, not because they are Igneels after he used up what little flames he had left. Using igneel's flames is the same as using his magic power. even his magic power is flames as Zeref describes. No he cannot use Igneel's power whenever he wants, it is only with Iku and Zeref is when he uses it, that is why at the beginning of the fight he noticed that his magic power is different, that is when he used Igneel's flames. It does when it comes to things that are related to gods. that does not stop the curse from being god in origin. Surpassing a God is the same as a hax related ability since no one else besides Ultear has shown this ability because of hax.

 

[Hexbend]

We’ll be lucky if we get a roar from Aldo lol

But if we do, since he’s a wood dragon. All I can imagine is a solar beam or a roar covered with seeds or tree roots

 

[Axiomus]

Flames = magic power as magic is a part of everything in nature and life, they are relative to each other. Igneel left his flames inside of Natsu as he can even use his flames while inside of Natsu very early in the story. Natsu can still use FDK flames because they are his own flames, not because they are Igneels after he used up what little flames he had left. Using igneel's flames is the same as using his magic power. even his magic power is flames as Zeref describes. No he cannot use Igneel's power whenever he wants, it is only with Iku and Zeref is when he uses it, that is why at the beginning of the fight he noticed that his magic power is different, that is when he used Igneel's flames. It does when it comes to things that are related to gods. that does not stop the curse from being god in origin. Surpassing a God is the same as a hax related ability since no one else besides Ultear has shown this ability because of hax.

Your argument is literally that you cannot tell the difference between a person's magic power and the type of flames they can generate with that magic power. Again, let me break it down for you:

• Igneel's flames are Fire Dragon King flames. Natsu can use these flames with his own magic power.
• Igneel left his magic power inside of Natsu's arm, not his flames. Natsu can use this magic power however (not whenever) he sees fit.

Zeref never says the word flames. In fact, neither Zeref nor Natsu ever says "Igneel's flames" during the fight. Zeref exact words were "What is this power? This heat?" In other words, Zeref felt the power and heat of Igneel's magic power when Natsu used it to set his arm on fire. Note that Natsu has yet to use Fire Dragon King flames yet, which means he wasn't even using Igneel's flames. He was using Igneel's power to fuel his regular fire dragon flames.

Spoiler

Zeref is not a god. He was cursed by a god, Ankhseram, to be immortal. Ikusatsunagi was not cursed by Ankhseram. The power of the dead wasn't described as having the power to negate a god's power. It was described as possibly being able to kill an immortal.

"Surpassing the power of a god" isn't even the official translation, and quite frankly extrapolating "it must be hax" from "surpassing the power of a god" is just bad English. The official translation has Dimaria flat out saying "How could he have more power than a god?". If END's power has some sort of a hax, it's only to move through age seal. There is absolutely zero indication that it works like god slaying magic.

 

[Ramen]

Your argument is literally that you cannot tell the difference between a person's magic power and the type of flames they can generate with that magic power. Again, let me break it down for you:

• Igneel's flames are Fire Dragon King flames. Natsu can use these flames with his own magic power.
• Igneel left his magic power inside of Natsu's arm, not his flames. Natsu can use this magic power however (not whenever) he sees fit.

Zeref never says the word flames. In fact, neither Zeref nor Natsu ever says "Igneel's flames" during the fight. Zeref exact words were "What is this power? This heat?" In other words, Zeref felt the power and heat of Igneel's magic power when Natsu used it to set his arm on fire. Note that Natsu has yet to use Fire Dragon King flames yet, which means he wasn't even using Igneel's flames. He was using Igneel's power to fuel his regular fire dragon flames.

Spoiler

Zeref is not a god. He was cursed by a god, Ankhseram, to be immortal. Ikusatsunagi was not cursed by Ankhseram. The power of the dead wasn't described as having the power to negate a god's power. It was described as possibly being able to kill an immortal.

"Surpassing the power of a god" isn't even the official translation, and quite frankly extrapolating "it must be hax" from "surpassing the power of a god" is just bad English. The official translation has Dimaria flat out saying "How could he have more power than a god?". If END's power has some sort of a hax, it's only to move through age seal. There is absolutely zero indication that it works like god slaying magic.

If I remember correctly, the OP is Sting vs Dimaria, how did we get to Ankhseram, Iku, Natsu, Igneel and Zeref?

 

[Axiomus]

If I remember correctly, the OP is Sting vs Dimaria, how did we get to Ankhseram, Iku, Natsu, Igneel and Zeref?

You're right. I'm moving this discussion to the Power ranking thread.

 

[WoWfan]

You image is not appearing, and Anksarem’s curse is still a god power which would still be a qualification, same with Ik, well since Igneel’s flames have been used in both scenariojs it fits the bill. Dimaria says that as a means of overcoming her hax, not more power than a Spriggan. END’s power would be able to defeat Zeref because of it’s ability too. No, FDK flames are just a stronger type of flames, Igneel’s flames are the same as his magic power. Again Igneel’s flames and Igneel’s magic power are the same thing. Zeref said that his magic power produces heat, which magic power that is his flames are what they are.

In fact I took up some pieces of dialogue to some expert Japanese translators on other sites that would say that they would be correct in any style, like with how they are pronounced and such

 

[Axiomus]

You image is not appearing, and Anksarem’s curse is still a god power which would still be a qualification, same with Ik, well since Igneel’s flames have been used in both scenariojs it fits the bill. Dimaria says that as a means of overcoming her hax, not more power than a Spriggan. END’s power would be able to defeat Zeref because of it’s ability too. No, FDK flames are just a stronger type of flames, Igneel’s flames are the same as his magic power. Again Igneel’s flames and Igneel’s magic power are the same thing. Zeref said that his magic power produces heat, which magic power that is his flames are what they are.

In fact I took up some pieces of dialogue to some expert Japanese translators on other sites that would say that they would be correct in any style, like with how they are pronounced and such

Typical excuse. I shouldn't even have to post images. The page is from chapter 464. Zeref and Natsu never refers to Igneel's magic power as "Igneels flames". Natsu took off the bandages and set his arm on fire. The heat that Zeref noted was from those flames.

Fire Dragon King flames are Igneel's flames. Igneel is the fire dragon king. The flames that Fire Dragon King spells produce are the same flames that Igneel produces.

Power of the dead was never stated to be effective against the power of a god. Merely that it has a chance of being able to kill an immortal, of which Ikusatsunagi is not.

Dimaria literally says that he has more power than a god. In what language does this imply a hax? It absolutely means END has more power than a Spriggan. It's not only Dimaria that says END is more powerful. Brandish also says that it is far more powerful than any magic she has.

Spoiler

Only person that believes END could kill Zeref if Mard Geer. Zeref has never stated once that END's power can kill him. In fact, Zeref had Igneel trained Natsu in dragon slaying magic instead of releasing END's power.

 

[WoWfan]

No seriously you image does not appear at all and it is confirmed that I am not the only one in the past, and I do not like the accusations thank you very much, still he does refer to flames when he Feels the heat from his arm. And immortal that is powered by a god, still the same thing. The fact that she made no reference to actual magic power level or power of a Spriggan, that is not how that works, Spriggans are not gods unless they have the qualities of one, which DiMaria alone has. He said that END can kill him, but he does contradict himself often than not, which Igneel’s power is not enough. FDK flames are just the names of a higher tier of attacks, nothing related to Igneel’s flames unless explicitly stated to use, which in this case was with Iku and Zeref

 

[Ramen]

@Axiomus Your images are working perfectly fine.

 

[Axiomus]

No seriously you image does not appear at all, and I do not like the accusations thank you very much, still he does refer to flames when he Feels the heat from his arm. And immortal that is powered by a god, still the same thing. The fact that she made no reference to actual magic power level or power of a Spriggan, that is not how that works, Spriggans are not gods unless they have the qualities of one, which DiMaria alone has. He said that END can kill him, but he does contradict himself often than not, which Igneel’s power is not enough. FDK flames are just the names of a higher tier of attacks, nothing related to Igneel’s flames unless explicitly stated to use, which in this case was with Iku and Zeref

I'll say it one last time: There is a difference between magic power and fire.

Igneel's fire is the type of fire he physically produces. Igneel is the Fire Dragon King, and anyone using Fire Dragon King spells produces the exact same type of fire that Igneel uses. Natsu can use Igneel's fire every time he uses FDK. Similarly, Natsu can use Laxus' lightning every time he uses LFD. This is despite Natsu not having a drop of Laxus' magic power anymore.

Spoiler: Natsu using Laxus' lightning long after he no longer has Laxus' magic power

Igneel's magic power is the amount of magical energy that he possesses. Igneel didn't leave flames for Natsu to eat. He left his magic power inside of Natsu's arm to use. Natsu himself confirmed that he can only use this power once. He decided only to only use it against Zeref. This meant that he couldn't possibly have used it against Ikusatsunagi.

Spoiler: Natsu flat out saying he can only use Igneel's power once

When Zeref noted the power and heat of Igneel's power, Natsu literally set half his body on fire. Zeref isn't sensing the heat from Igneel's pure magical power. He's sensing the heat from the flames that is covering half of Natsu's torso.

Spoiler: Natsu using Igneel's power to create regular flames

Finally, nowhere does it say that power of the dead is super effective against gods. It simply has a chance at killing people who are immortal, like Zeref. Zeref is not a god. God slaying magic doesn't do anything special against Zeref, and doesn't do a thing in preventing Anksheram's curse from killing you (remember Zancrow?). More importantly Ikusatsunagi is not an immortal. Likewise, there is no evidence of END's power possessing any special abilities to specifically counter god powers either. All Dimaria ever said about END was that it had "more power than a god". Even if END were to possess some sort of hax, it would only be so that it could move within her age seal.

 

[WoWfan]

And I’ll say it again, magic power and fire go hand and hand as magic is part of nature and life, they are interchangeable, but Igneel never produced any FDK flames, only regular FD flames. Igneel’s flames are the same as his magic power, that is how he defeated the War God. He only used it once when he unwraps his bandages which Contains his released power, doesn’t change they are also his flames. An immortal person who‘s power is that of a god, which yes they are still the same, just like when he killed a god as well. END’s power is hax to overpower a god’s power, END is already stronger than a Spriggan, the later does not mean he can move in stopped time without his hax ability to over power a God’s power. He wondered which of them would reach him, Natsu or END, he was even hoping for the latter.

 

[Axiomus]

Igneel doesn't name his attacks. To him, they're just his flames. Igneel is the Fire Dragon King, so his flames literally are Fire Dragon King flames. Every time Natsu uses FDK, he is using Igneel's flames. Natsu can use Igneel's flames with his own magic power in the exact same way he can use Laxus' lightning with his own magic power. We know that Natsu couldn't have possibly used Igneel's magic power against Ikusatsunagi, because he outright stated in no uncertain terms that he could only use the power once. That one time was against Zeref. Natsu actually still had enough power left for one more attack before Happy stopped him. If Natsu could save and portion Igneel's power, then he would have just saved that remaining bit. He couldn't, and the fact that he couldn't means that he never used it prior to Zeref.

Not only did Natsu not use Igneel's magic power against Ikusatsunagi, but it doesn't even matter if he did because the power of the dead was never stated to be effective against Gods. It simply has a chance of killing someone who is immortal. Zeref is not a god. He was simply cursed to be immortal by a god. Zeref is not affected by God Slaying magic, and God Slaying magic isn't even effective at preventing his Ankhseram Curse. Remember Zancrow? Most importantly, you don't need God Slayer magic to beat up Zeref in a fight. Natsu beat FH Zeref without God Slaying magic or Igneel's power. Ultear actually knocked out Zeref back when his Ankhseram's curse was the most active in releasing death waves. I'll repeat what I said in the beginning: There have been 2 gods in the series, and both have been beaten without god slaying magic. If you want to add Zeref to the list of "gods", then that just makes 3 gods that have been beaten without god slaying magic. Doesn't help your case in the slightest.

Spoiler: Ultear beats Zeref

END's power was never stated to be hax that overcomes a god's power. More than likely, age seal didn't work on END's power for the same reason Brandish's magic didn't. END's power was too powerful for their magic. Anyways, Dimaria's exact words was "How could he move through my stopped time? How could he have more power than god?". Nothing about this implies that END has some special power meant to counter gods. Even if you believe END has a hax that allows him specifically to move through age seal, that still doesn't mean that END's power is super effective in damaging gods. It's still not god slaying magic.

 

[Ramen]

Igneel doesn't name his attacks. To him, they're just his flames. Igneel is the Fire Dragon King, so his flames literally are Fire Dragon King flames. Every time Natsu uses FDK, he is using Igneel's flames. Natsu can use Igneel's flames with his own magic power in the exact same way he can use Laxus' lightning with his own magic power. Natsu isn't using Laxus' magic power every time he uses LFD.

We know that Natsu couldn't have possibly used Igneel's magic power against Ikusatsunagi, because he outright stated in no uncertain terms that he could only use the power once. That one time was against Zeref. Natsu actually still had enough power left for one more attack before Happy stopped him. If Natsu could save and portion Igneel's power, then he would have just saved that remaining bit. He couldn't, and the fact that he couldn't means that he never used it prior to Zeref.

Not only did Natsu not use Igneel's magic power against Ikusatsunagi, but it doesn't even matter if he did because the power of the dead was never stated to be effective against Gods. It simply has a chance of killing someone who is immortal. Zeref is not a god. He was simply cursed to be immortal by a god. Zeref is not affected by God Slaying magic. God Slaying magic isn't even effective at preventing his Ankhseram curse from killing you. Remember Zancrow? Most importantly, you don't need God Slayer magic to beat up Zeref in a fight. Natsu beat FH Zeref without God Slaying magic or Igneel's power. Ultear actually knocked out Zeref back when his Ankhseram's curse was the most active in releasing death waves. I'll repeat what I said in the beginning: There have been 2 gods in the series, and both have been beaten without god slaying magic. If you want to add Zeref to the list of gods, then that just makes 3 gods that have been beaten without god slaying magic.

Spoiler

END's power was never stated to be hax to overcome a god's power. END's power could move through Dimaria's time because it had more power than her god soul takeover. Dimaria's exact words was "How could he move through my stopped time? How could he have more power than god?". Even if you believe END has a hax that allows him specifically to move through stopped time, that still doesn't mean that END's power is super effective in damaging gods in the same way God Slaying magic is.

Leave it alone.