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Fairy Tail Vol.23 Chapter 190: Dragon Sense

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Fairy Tail Vol.23 Chapter 190: Dragon Sense

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@Axiomus He got you there.

 

[Axiomus]

Oh please. Dorma Anim is a dragon the same way a lego action figure is an UFC fighter. It doesn't have any dragon magic, and it doesn't have dragon scales. It uses armor covered in wizard canceller, not dragon scales. Name one dragon that has scales made out of wizard canceller. Just because only dragon slaying magic can damage Dorma Anim, doesn't mean it's actually a dragon. It's a machine, and literally shares ZERO physical or magical features of a dragon.

It doesn't have durability anywhere close to that of a real dragon. Motherglare was tanking shots from Natsu after he was boosted with Atlas Flame's power. This made him stronger than he was when he had LFD. Dorma Anim got his foot impaled by Gajeel's club, and Natsu's sword horn blew a massive hole in it's torso. Dorma Anim is less durable than Laxus. In fact, Tenrou Laxus probably could have soloed Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy.

 

[WoWfan]

Oh please. Dorma Anim is a dragon the same way a lego action figure is an UFC fighter. It doesn't have any dragon magic, and it doesn't have dragon scales. It uses armor covered in wizard canceller, not dragon scales. Name one dragon that has scales made out of wizard canceller. Just because only dragon slaying magic can damage Dorma Anim, doesn't mean it's actually a dragon. It's a machine, and literally shares ZERO physical or magical features of a dragon beyond general outline.

It doesn't have durability anywhere close to that of a real dragon. Motherglare was tanking shots from Natsu after he was boosted with Atlas Flame's power. This made him stronger than he was when he had LFD. Dorma Anim got his foot impaled by Gajeel's club, and Natsu's sword horn blew a massive hole in it's torso. Dorma Anim is less durable than Laxus. In fact, Tenrou Laxus probably could have soloed Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy.

Technically they are both inanimate objects, but that is irrelevant as Dorma Anim is a dragon and can only be defeated by dragon slayers. Its resistance to magic is much the same as that of a real dragon, you claim that it’s resistance is based on it’s toughness, it is the same thing with Dorma Anim which is based on toughness too.

yet Motherglare was hindered by a weakened Natsu attack, but that is not the point

This attack Acno lost to is much smaller than either of the two, so by your logic, Acno is weaker than either.

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[Axiomus]

Yet the Dragons were defeated by ice, so they are weaker, they were distracted so they could not defend themselves, so yes, wrong place, wrong time. No, Natsu defeated Rogue and Atlas Flame defeated Motherglare, it was not a unison raid. You fail to provide evidence of soldiers actual using DSM or if DS back then and the same armor as soldiers did, it doesn’t matter what condition they are in, just the fact they were using weapons and wearing armor which DS do not show to have. So that means regular soldiers are fighting with regular weapons them. It does as it is affected by the same magic that slays dragons, they even stated why, anything else is head canon. It’s resistance is based on it’s toughness like Dragons you claim to have, so there is no difference there. Yes they were, Natsu almost died from Rogue, and was already weakened then. So Natsu and other back then were in better condition then.

The spawns killed the wizards the first time around. Ultear turned back time and gave everyone a vision of what was about to happen. Without this advantage, the spawns would have just killed them again.

Atlas Flame never even touched Motherglare. He pushed Natsu, and Natsu used an attack that took both Rogue and Motherglare out.

The soldiers fighting the war were all dragon slayers.

Natsu recovered from his injuries against Rogue, and was in good enough shape to fight. More importantly, he received a power-up from Atlas Flame that boosted him above his limits. He's way stronger than he was when he fought Dorma Anim.

Technically they are both inanimate objects, but that is irrelevant as Dorma Anim is a dragon and can only be defeated by dragon slayers. Its resistance to magic is much the same as that of a real dragon, you claim that it’s resistance is based on it’s toughness, it is the same thing with Dorma Anim which is based on toughness too.

yet Motherglare was hindered by a weakened Natsu attack, but that is not the point

This attack Acno lost to is much smaller than either of the two, so by your logic, Acno is weaker than either.

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Dorma Anim is literally not a dragon. It's a machine. It doesn't have the powers of a dragon, and isn't made out of the same materials as any dragon's flesh. The only thing that makes it similar to a dragon is the shape of the machine. Just because Gray calls it a dragon, doesn't mean it actually is one. Gray's never seen a real dragon before.

Dorma Anim = Machine that looks like a dragon.
Dragon = An actual species of living creatures.

Obviously 7DS Natsu is above any version of Natsu pre-timeskip. Did I say that size was what made the attack that Motherglare took impressive? No, I didn't. Natsu was stronger when he fought Motherglare than when he fought Dorma Anim, because he had Atlas Flame's power when he fought Motherglare. This was a better power-up than LFD, and this was after Natsu unlocked second origin and mastered LFD mode. Edolas arc Natsu hadn't unlocked second origin and doesn't have LFD.

Atlas Flame Natsu > LFD Natsu with second origin > Base Natsu with second origin > Edolas arc Natsu

 

[WoWfan]

Killed them via surprise attack, afterward they were oneshotted he did, while Natsu never touched Motherglare in that attack, Atlas attacked Motherglare while swinging Natsu. Again no proof that those soldiers were DS as they were humans, it is a festival of humans, dragons and immortals. It behaves like a dragon because of DS, it doesn’t take a genius to know what a dragon looks like, and he would know that since that is a dragon, only DS can beat it.

again, irrelevant comparison on your part

 

[Axiomus]

Killed them via surprise attack, afterward they were oneshotted he did, while Natsu never touched Motherglare in that attack, Atlas attacked Motherglare while swinging Natsu. Again no proof that those soldiers were DS as they were humans, it is a festival of humans, dragons and immortals. It behaves like a dragon because of DS, it doesn’t take a genius to know what a dragon looks like, and he would know that since that is a dragon, only DS can beat it.

again, irrelevant comparison on your part

There was no surprise attack. They merely showed up, and attacked. Juvia wasn't paying attention, but Gray and Lyon were. Gray may have died to save Juvia, but there was no surprise attack.

Clear as day that Natsu was the one who hit both Rogue and Motherglare. Atlas Flame just pushed Natsu. He never even touched Motherglare

Spoiler

Dragon slayers are humans, and the humans fighting the Dragon King's Festival were dragon slayers.

Dude. Dorma Anim is a machine. It doesn't have dragon powers. It doesn't have dragon scales. It doesn't have dragon muscles. It doesn't have dragon bones. It doesn't have dragon brains. It doesn't have a dragon's soul. If your only argument is to pretend that Dorma Anim is a real dragon, then I truly don't know what to say. Just a few weeks ago you were telling me how Acnologia isn't a real dragon, and now the shell of Dorma Anim's mechanical body is the same thing as dragon scales?

 

[Ramen]

now the shell of Dorma Anim's mechanical body is the same thing as dragon scales?

Yes.

 

[Axiomus]

At best the shell of Dorma Anim, which is made out of magic canceller, imitates the properties of dragon scales in that it can only be damaged by dragon slaying magic.

 

[WoWfan]

pit was a surprise attack, that is why Gray saved her.

Your images are broken again, the angle of which Natsu was thrown does not attack Motherglare too

there is a thing called universal equivalence, so long as your agree that Dorma Anim can only be damaged by DSM just like it can bypass Dragon magic resistance, then we are good.

 

[Axiomus]

pit was a surprise attack, that is why Gray saved her.

Your images are broken again, the angle of which Natsu was thrown does not attack Motherglare too

there is a thing called universal equivalence, so long as your agree that Dorma Anim can only be damaged by DSM just like it can bypass Dragon magic resistance, then we are good.

There's no surprise attack. Juvia just wasn't paying attention.

Again, clear as day that Atlas Flame pushed Natsu and the attack Natsu uses hits both Rogue and Motherglare.

There's no equivalence here. Dragon scales were never stated to be resistant against magic. They were simply stated to be really hard to pierce. Dorma Anim doesn't have dragon scales. The only resistance that a dragon does have is against their own element. The sole exception to this is Acnologia, who is the only dragon that is resistant against all forms of magic. Dorma Anim is made out of magic canceller, which is a different material from dragon scales altogether. It makes it immune to all magic. except apparently dragon slaying magic. Against dragon slaying magic, Dorma Anim's armour is way easier to pierce than actual dragon scales.

 

[WoWfan]

It was as it popped out of nowhere that took her by surprise. Correction, Natsu attack hit Rogue, while Atlas attack Motherglare, as proven by Mavis statement that none of the DS defeated a dragon. Yes they are as they resisted magic from everybody. They are tough because of their magic resistance, Dorma Anims resistance to magic is no difference as they have toughness going for it as well, no really as even the first attacks did not even pierce it, while even Cobra managed to break even a dragon’s rock body on the first strike, and that is poison, less offense than actual firepower.

 

[Axiomus]

It was as it popped out of nowhere that took her by surprise. Correction, Natsu attack hit Rogue, while Atlas attack Motherglare, as proven by Mavis statement that none of the DS defeated a dragon. Yes they are as they resisted magic from everybody. They are tough because of their magic resistance, Dorma Anims resistance to magic is no difference as they have toughness going for it as well, no really as even the first attacks did not even pierce it, while even Cobra managed to break even a dragon’s rock body on the first strike, and that is poison, less offense than actual firepower.

That doesn't make it a surprise attack. Juvia wasn't paying attention, but Gray and Lyon were.

Again, pretty clear that Natsu's attack hit both. Mavis said that none of the dragon slayers were able to slay a dragon, and Natsu did not slay a dragon. Motherglare wasn't dead. There's not a single statement of dragons having resistance against all types of magic. They only have resistance against their own element, which is what makes Acnologia's resistance against all magic unique. All that's said about the scales is that they are really tough. The Eclipse Gate is made out of a material that is extremely resistant to magic. An attack that was so powerful that it broke the gate still couldn't really break Motherglare's scales. What does that tell you about the toughness of dragon scales?

Spoiler: Gate is made out of a material extremely resistant to magic

Spoiler: Gate breaks, and Motherglare's scales are intact

Even accounting for Cobra cracking the rock dragon's body, the GMG dragons scales were still far tougher than Dorma Anim's shell. Cobra's attack didn't actually penetrate deep enough to make the rock dragon bleed, nor do any real damage. Cobra was like Tenrou Erza level btw, given his performance in the Starry Night arc. Gajeel skewered Dorma Anim in the foot. Natsu blew a hole through Dorma Anim's chest. Dorma Anim was defeated by attacks that wouldn't even faze Laxus if we're being honest. The attacks that Motherglare was tanking would have obliterated Dorma Anim. Second origin and LFD mode alone would have made GMG Natsu more powerful than he was in Edolas. Then he got a further power-up from Atlas Flame, which pushed him beyond his limits.

 

[WoWfan]

eclipse is Celestial Spirit magic, so you are saying that CS are dragons now? if he did not slay it then he did not deliver the blow against Motherglare, it was Atlas, there Is no statement of dragons of being resistant against their own element, they basically make it up on the spot, just like Zirconis who decided to be a jade dragon. That does not matter since Motherglare was still defeated

I call bs, Cobra did not train the entire time he was in confinement, so dragons are weaker than even Tenrou level Erza would not be able to beat Dorma Anim since it is much stronger than her. The DS used PoF to gain power from tomorrow or something so they are much stronger than they would be.

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I don’t care if it was deep or not, if the scales was broken, it’s broken, that is all that matters, there ar no specifications that say otherwise

 

[Axiomus]

I didn't even remotely imply that CS are dragons. What I'm saying is this: The Eclipse is made out of maginium, which is highly resistant to magic. Dragon scales are tougher.

Motherglare wasn't slain. Just knocked out. Mavis statement is true. Doesn't change the fact that Atlas Flame pushed Natsu, and that combo attack took out both Rogue and Motherglare.

Dragons are resistant to magic of their own element. Or at least, you don't see Igneel getting burned for bathing in lava now do you? Zirconis would simply be resistant to whatever element his magic actually is.

Doesn't matter if Cobra didn't train (you don't know when he managed to break out tbh). He was fighting on par with Erza during Starry Night arc.

There are no dragons weaker than Tenrou Erza level. The weakest dragon we've ever seen is well above GMG Laxus level. Erza would do better than Natsu did against Dorma Anim.

Cobra would not blow a hole through the rock dragon's chest if the surprise attack to the head didn't even draw blood.

Even if I were to take "power of tomorrow" literally, that would just mean they were using up the magic power they would have for the next day. That's nothing compared to second origin or LFD, much less Atlas Flame's power.

 

[WoWfan]

Again, Atlas just pushed Natsu into Rogue, not Motherglare which Atlas took care of with the same attack. That is head canon, they are resistant to magic, it’s as simple as that. Zirconis magic is resistant to cloth removal then, so I guess that makes him vulnerable then since he has no clothing to begin with. That is false as the dragon slayers are weakened, they scale to Cobra since he did not train and you said scales to Tenrou erza, that means they would scale then since Erza would not be able to damage Dorma Anim. Doesn’t matter, he damaged him still ad we see visible destruction. That is not the same as weakened dragon slayers which are weaker than their peak which damaged dragons anyway

 

[Axiomus]

Atlas Flame never attacked Motherglare. He simply gave Natsu a boost. The attack that Natsu used was what defeated both Motherglare and Rogue.

Dragons being resistant to all magic is the real headcannon here. All that's been said about dragons is that their scales are really hard. If you don't want to assume that dragons are resistant to their own elements, that still doesn't mean that dragons are resistant to all magic.

Zirconis is resistant to whatever magic type/element he has as his primary means of fighting. I doubt he actually fights with clothes removal.

I have no idea what you are going on about. Post timeskip Cobra was evenly matched with Erza during the Starry Night arc. We don't know if Cobra actually trained or if he was always at this level. Nor does it matter.

Erza would blast a hole in Dorma Anim's chest like Natsu did. So would Cobra. Cobra would not be able to do the same to any dragon.

Of the 3 that fought Dorma Anim, only Gajeel and Wendy were weakened during the GMG. Natsu received a massive power-up that made him much stronger than normal. Motherglare tanked attacks that would have obliterated Dorma Anim.

 

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Gajeel

is a goat.

 

[Axiomus]

is a goat.

Ur a goat

 

[WoWfan]

yes he did attack Motherglare, Natsu never made contact with Motherglare because he aimed only for Rogue. No, their scales are for their resistance to magic, that is what makes them tough. he is by your logic, because that is the only element he has shown, otherwise he can just pick and choose as he goes which is pretty much hax. Yes it does because Erza never trained so she is as strong as she has been throughout the story until GMG, so she is weaker than Dorma Anim and thus dragons are weak too. Yet Dorma Anim’s tougthness outstripped her magic power. No, Natsu was weakened too yet he managed to harm Motherglare more than he did to Dorma Anim