Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

Also, I don’t see your argument.

Then open your eyes. Simple.

Makarov would have seen and felt him flex on Natsu and beat Bluenote.

He was nowhere near him to see it?

. How senile is your Makarov that he can’t sense how strong Jura is and properly compare it to his prize guild member?

The same way he though Laxus couldn't do anything to Jura then beat him?

 

[GL_Nova]

Wanna use the actual translation?



Wow. 31 and you can't read. I almost feel bad.

Post it brodi. Go ahead

Dude, I’m still waiting for you to explain how over 6 pages of combat is a 1 shot. I am patiently waiting for that shit

 

[Ramen]

Dude, I’m still waiting for you to explain how over 6 pages of combat is a 1 shot. I am patiently waiting for that shit

Because those 6, Gildarts couldn't fight back because Azuma was fucking everyone up. It was legit one page when he got his power back, broke his black hole and one punched his ass.

I've been explaining it my man.

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@GL_Nova

This is what happened the minute Gildarts got his magic back.

Spoiler: ONe-PunchMan

If that isn't a one punch move then, I don't know what is.

 

[Ramen]

laxus can beat august!!!

He believes Elfman surpassed August or eventually will.

 

[GL_Nova]

Because those 6, Gildarts couldn't fight back because Azuma was fucking everyone up. It was legit one page when he got his power back, broke his black hole and one punched his ass.

I've been explaining it my man.

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@GL_Nova

This is what happened the minute Gildarts got his magic back.

Spoiler: ONe-PunchMan

If that isn't a one punch move then, I don't know what is.

That is the ending of the fight bro. It’s literally a finisher move. A dope one, but a finisher. It doesn’t negate the fight that was happening. It isn’t a one shot bro, by definition.

 

[Ramen]

That is the ending of the fight bro. It’s literally a finisher move. A dope one, but a finisher. It doesn’t negate the fight that was happening. It isn’t a one shot bro, by definition.

It wasn't a fight. Gildarts couldn't fight back. Lwgit the minute they were on "equal" terms. He one-hit

 

[GL_Nova]

hades used furmula 100 against makarov after he blocked furmula 28 the spell hades used to put laxus on his knees so i don't know are you that blind or you don't understand numbers?

will makarov didn't saw gildarts fighting since he get back from 100YQ and putting the time skip in gmg it over 3 years well i guess you are blind then when it comes too other characters

and again laxus was in 6 arcs in FT gildarts was in 2 i think you really don't understand numbers and in tartarus he fought one of the demon gates really you didn't see that fight??
are you skipping chapters too now??

DF gajeel beated bloodman alone gray beated invel alone. well i wouldn't bother since you are skipping chapters

erza had her fight becuase eileen was her
mother.

he admitted his defeat also. you believe laxus right?

natsu is the strongest with (DF) yet he beated zeref without it is that making him the strongest even without it?


laxus can beat august!!!
laxus blitzed acno amped in offensive!!!!!!


my friend i'm the one who is getting bad news here toooooo muchhhh bias toooooo muchhhhhh fanboying

Bro, still going with this? It was a simple explosion. Laxus got hit with one that also is supposed to paralyze his limbs. We just went over this?

So you think Makarov missed Gildarts displaying his power somehow? You don’t think he could sense his fight but could sense all the others? What do you mean?

I can count fine, I’m surprised that you think Laxus got enough to invalidate my point or the quote Mashima gave.

So instead of refuting that both of them would have died without their partner’s intervention, you plan to accuse me of skipping chapters? Oh ok.

If it wasnt her mother, do you think someone other than Erza was fighting the strongest woman? Mereoleona perhaps?

Where does Laxus say he lost?

Depends on his emotional boost. In base he still shouldn’t be beating any of the trio. He needs his forms and boost for that. Check back in at end of the Quest.

Currently? Hell yeah. In Alvarez he could have forced the same conclusion. Though I would give him Makarov’s help instead. Just for story element.

Not really. It’s supported by Laxus performance the entire manga. An with how easily he bested a Top tier Spriggan, who was immune to his power set on top of that, was impressive. He’s been shown to have clearly grown a ton in the intervening year once again. Presumably by the same amount, since it’s yet another year of training and growth.

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It wasn't a fight. Gildarts couldn't fight back. Lwgit the minute they were on "equal" terms. He one-hit

So your ignoring the original exchange entirely?

 

[Ramen]

So your ignoring the original exchange entirely?

No, but you're ignoring the fact that one of the combatants had no magic and couldn't do anything until Azuma was defeated.

 

[GL_Nova]

No, but you're ignoring the fact that one of the combatants had no magic and couldn't do anything until Azuma was defeated.

No I'm not, your ignoring that they legit fought while the other ran away, and up and till the magic was taken away. Then he tanked all that mistreatment, then blasted him. It was a whole fight, not just 1 punch.

 

[Ramen]

No I'm not, your ignoring that they legit fought while the other ran away, and up and till the magic was taken away. Then he tanked all that mistreatment, then blasted him. It was a whole fight, not just 1 punch.

Gildarts powered up but that's it. He clearly was at a disadvantage.

Laxus wasn't at a disadvantage, he just got his ass kicked.

 

[Biri Biri]

Laxus wasn't as strong as Makarov and Gildarts in the Tenrou Island arc.

Laxus outclassed Natsu, but Gildarts' was on a different planet altogether. He didn't have to take a step to casually fend off all the attacks Natsu threw at him, until the end when he was caught by surprise from one of Natsu's strongest attack; Guren Bakuenjin, the same Secret Art Natsu used to defeat an exhausted Laxus during the FF arc. He brought Natsu to his knees and tears, by flexing his magic power too. Natsu couldn't even touch Bluenote, let alone hurt him. Gildarts sent him flying into the sky and parted the clouds with one punch once he got his magic power back. Laxus should be around Bluenote's strength during this time.

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Makarov gets too much stick for his fight with Hades too. FT is a series where emotions and frame of mind is critical to a character's performance in a fight. Makarov was evidently shaken and reeling in shock from seeing Hades as his adversary. He outright said he had no intention of fighting Hades, and pleaded with him to leave the island because he did not want to come to blows. After Hades' defeat, Makarov still ignored his pleas to kill him despite what he put FT through. Makarov had no intention to hurt Hades.

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On the contrary, from the moment he arrived Laxus was ready to beat the loving hell out of Hades. Laxus is also highly proficient in hand to hand combat, when it comes to speed and striking strength. Because of these, he had Hades on the ropes a few times. So nope, Hades didn't exactly wipe the floor with him.

Hades did however bounced back instantly each time Laxus managed to knock him back. Laxus was caught by an unnamed Amaterasu spell. He managed to avoid some of the attack when he transformed into lightning to zip out of it, but the damage he received was still enough to bring him down to his knees. Makarov negated Formula 28 with his bare hands, and given how Hades complimented him at the end, he successfully defended himself from the full brunt of Formula 100 too. Despite not wanting to hurt his foe, Makarov only really lost after his cardiac arrest kicked in.

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Makarov also really doesn't get enough credit for holding back dragon Acno briefly, while he was badly wounded himself. Until Ignia-empowered Natsu tossed Mercuphobia around in the 100YQ, this was the greatest feat of physical strength by a non-dragon (and non-Christina lel) in the entire series.

Spoiler

Acno was playing around, and wasn't fighting at his full power. But even a non-serious dragon Acno was the pinnacle of strength. No other human was capable of accomplishing what Makarov did. Certainly not with the extent of his injuries. Other non-human characters would likely find it almost impossible too. Dragon Irene instantly reverted back to human after one slash from Erza's DS-enchanted sword. It probably wouldn't have the endurance to go toe to toe with dragon Acno. Ikusa-Tsunagi splitting the terrain and CSK destroying Plutogrim could rival that feat. But I have my reservations. And Titan Makarov wouldn't require a bloody sword to do that lel. Igneel was the only other character to actually wrestle Acno.

PS: I know Erza pushed dragon Acno with her swords. But because she's Erza, she is always the anomaly.

 

[Ronin31]

I mean, the opening sequence shows we were right though? Laxus literally no diffs her lightning armor. An then proceeds to slap her around for a chapter, before ultimately forcing her to admit defeat. If I was aware of all the new boosts she can use at will, I would have given her better odds.

Well, I think we haven't read the same fight scene : Ok, Laxus exploded Lightning armor in two shots (not crazy, thinking that her strong foes destroyed armors before : Ikaruga, Kagura, Kyoka...etc...) but when she was beginning to be serious (no armor mode), Laxus himself said that if she is going to be serious, small attacks (his Yellow Lightning that destroyed armor and Kyria) won't be enough (chapter 44). So he admitted to be no match for Erza in this condition. If he was, why enter into Red Lightning Mode ? He destroyed Kyria in classic Lightning Mode, no ?

During this first chapter, Erza was purely defensive and realised that Laxus has grown crazy stronger, in strength, and Magic way, even in his basics. And Red Lightning is far more effective too. Erza tanked all the shots and then make enchants to increase damage power into her swords and slashed Laxus in a move where he couldn't even react. The slash was hard and Laxus was stun for instant before asking to Erza to stop holding back in this chapter's end (see my avatar for proof). I think he was aware that this slash at full strength should be enough or, for sure, would dealt more damage to him. But saying that, Laxus wanted a real fight vs Erza without this "holding back handicap" for his win (the defensive Erza in chapter 44).

In the final way (chapter 45), Erza responded to his ask by going all out and was as agressive as Laxus, but she stopped to use enchants (no Fire and Icy blades or else) and then made a mismatch to him. She admitted she lost because she fulled all magic reserve and fell down before Laxus because of her friendly's long speech and said that she will win next time. Laxus answered that this is his line before falling as empty as Erza just seconds after.

For me, Laxus and his full power up (Red Lightning) and his upper physical habilities (she was amazed to the crazy gap with the Laxus she knew before) has grown enough to reach Erza's Arbaless full level (Irene's fight before emotional boost vs meteor and Dragon Queen) which is very impressive (we don't know if she can use enchants as will). They are portrayed equal.

Natsu with DF is the most powerful character in the series. He can literally emotion boost strong enough to beat any opponent that steps to him. I’m not sure how this is even a question in FT anymore? Wait, so you not think Natsu can beat them? Cause I got some bad news bro.

Erza can do the same... Her emotional power skyrockets her habilities the same way. But reaching max potential power remains external conditions. Friends life in Balance (read fight vs Azuma, Kyoka and Irene for Erza // read fight vs Zeleph who wanted to erase world which put Natsu into Dragon Force or Grey's "sacrifice" to counter Memento Mori that enraged him the same way). Love and Friendship are the main theme of the Manga, and their strongest power (explained by Natsu before obliterate Fairy Heart Zeleph).

Without these conditions, the top wizard is Gildarts. We don't know if he has grown stronger in a year. I think now, Erza and Laxus have reach Gildart's Arbaless's level. I have always see them as the 3 Fairy Tail's Ace, with Gildarts far above until Arbaless.

For the match between Laxus and Hades, well, Laxus couldn't compete. He admitted himself that Hades was far above.
To a parallel, it is like saying injured Erza's fight vs Jose was on par. Jose was clearly above but admitted that Erza could manage to reduce their gap without Jupiter's impact. in these different time lines :
Jose >> Erza = Hades >> Laxus

On Tenrô Island, Gildarts was unmatched, and I think Hades vs Gildarts could be interesting way in this time.

 

[Ramen]

Jose >> Erza = Hades >> Laxus

Laxus could've solo'd Phantom Lord on his own. Mystogan probably could've as well. I wish that actually did happen lol.

 

[Aurelius]

Laxus could've solo'd Phantom Lord on his own.

I believe he's making an analogy there, saying the gap between Jose and Erza was similar to the gap between Hades and Laxus. Not actually saying Erza was equal to Hades

 

[Ronin31]

I believe he's making an analogy there, saying the gap between Jose and Erza was similar to the gap between Hades and Laxus. Not actually saying Erza was equal to Hades

Right, I was just making an analogy. Thank you BD_Beno

 

[GL_Nova]

yes i'm still becuase you are saying furmola 28 is stronger than furmola 100 like WTF let's go by your logic 28 furmola is stronger yet makarov blocked it and laxus was on his knees so who is better in taking that attack?just be honest stop fanboying

dude makarov didn't saw gildarts fightinig since he get back from 100YQ and when fought bluenote he was unconscious how did he sense gildarts please tell me why is it only works for laxus? you are being bias here

that quote was was about gildarts only.
mira is get sidelined more jelall is getting sidelined too just like gildarts unlike laxus who was in most FT arcs are the quote include them too??

gray was going to kill juvia anyway even if she didn't sacrfice and he will defeat invel nothing will change and for gajeel what is the help that levy provide to gajeel nothing she was a deadweight if she wasn't there he would've performed even better

yes i think you skipping chapters becuase you said laxus didn't involved in tartarus even though he beated tempester one of the demon gates and ignoring that gray beated invel alone gajeel beated bloodman alone the time skips only work for laxus he is the one who is gaining more power in time skips ignoring that gildarts had two years time skip and saying makarov knew his power even though he didn't saw him fight once after he get back.


acno would've take her out becuase she is a dragon and they alreadey had there first encounter and i think it's a better idea if acno was the one

after erza finshed her talk he said that's my line and guess what she said she admitted her defeat and laxus said (that's my line) so what does that mean?

that what i said he can't beat them in base but using your logic he beat zeref in base so in base he is zeref tier so he will beat all of them in base(using your logic ofcorse)

i want to skip august part and acno blitzing part because that is pure BS and making you look bad in terms of power scalling and the way you see the fights

in the end it's ok to be a fan of charectar and be reasonble even if it's against your fav you don't have to be unreasonble and illogical becuase you want your fav to be the strongest and in the top

No, you’re not listening. I’m saying that the hax makes 28 the harder to deal with spell yes. It’s not all about power, instead of just trying to overpower Laxus like he did with Makarov. Hades hit him with a hax spell, that was supposed to take him out of the fight entirely. Yes that’s more impressive.

Makarov is conscious when he puts his power on display. An where are you getting the assumption he waa knocked out the whole fight. An I don’t get what your saying. Why does what only work for Laxus? Your statement makes no contextual sense here.

Show that it’s about Gildarts only brodi. Cause I distinctly remember it encompassing both. An there was no reference to them. Mira is in every arc, and Jellal is tertiary by definition. Nice deflection though. You got any real points?

Bro you just plan to ignore that Invel was destroying him? That his ice was ineffective and that he needed the boost from his darkness to be a threat? Not to mention that we saw what it took for Gajeel to best deluge before, and he had no answer for the skeletons. She saved him twice in a matter of minutes. An was also the catalyst for his power up.


Laxus is the catalyst for the battle, he spend the majority of the arc unconscious from poisoning. The Tempester fight is used to sideline him for the majority of 2 arcs. His illness is the explanation of why he’s not involved, the very point I’ve been making. Gray and Gajeel both struck the final blow, but that’s no different than anyone else who fought a Spriggan. They didn’t fight solo, they had support and actively would have lost without it. It’s part of why I think the complaints about the power scale in the arc are funny. Literally everyone but Laxus fought with a partner. An we clearly see that everyone grows from the time skips, even the “fodder”. An no, I think Laxus grew faster than Gildarts because he’s younger. An that’s clearly a fact, because we see that all of them have grown tremendously, and they wouldn’t be able to close the gap in any real way if they weren’t. I’m not even sure why you’re wasting time insinuating I said they couldn’t while in the dame debate where I literally said I even expect Elfman to grow to August lvl if not surpass him when he’s fully matured.


What purpose would that have served story wise? I mean pass the cool factor how does it advance the plot and the characters personal arcs?

Yeah, after she said, “I’ll win next time for sure”, he says that’s my line. It would only encompass that statement since it’s never been meant to encompass entire speeches before, and wouldn’t suddenly now. An who wins and let’s the person they beat talk about future victory Unchecked? Again, I must ask you to show me where he said he lost?

He beat Zeref with Savage Emotions, that isn’t really base. It’s the strongest emotional boost we’ve witnessed. An with it, he can beat anybody. Still, I plan to rank him based on regular showings. Since he still has yet to beat Laxus, Erza, or Gildarts.

Got it. I mean it’s what happened so yeah we can move on if you want. Manga speaks for itself though, so I’d be more concerned about somebody who saw those speed lines and didn’t get it was a blitz.

The issue is that nothing I’ve said is my wanking. Laxus is literally the second strongest member in the guild outside of Natsu’s MC ability. Erza needs boosts to hang with him, and the rest of the main cast dont even want to try. I don’t have to make up anything, all I gotta do is read.

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Wait, so am I reading this right? Do y’all feel like Laxus didn’t grow between BOFT and Tenrou?

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Well, I think we haven't read the same fight scene : Ok, Laxus exploded Lightning armor in two shots (not crazy, thinking that her strong foes destroyed armors before : Ikaruga, Kagura, Kyoka...etc...) but when she was beginning to be serious (no armor mode), Laxus himself said that if she is going to be serious, small attacks (his Yellow Lightning that destroyed armor and Kyria) won't be enough (chapter 44). So he admitted to be no match for Erza in this condition. If he was, why enter into Red Lightning Mode ? He destroyed Kyria in classic Lightning Mode, no ?

During this first chapter, Erza was purely defensive and realised that Laxus has grown crazy stronger, in strength, and Magic way, even in his basics. And Red Lightning is far more effective too. Erza tanked all the shots and then make enchants to increase damage power into her swords and slashed Laxus in a move where he couldn't even react. The slash was hard and Laxus was stun for instant before asking to Erza to stop holding back in this chapter's end (see my avatar for proof). I think he was aware that this slash at full strength should be enough or, for sure, would dealt more damage to him. But saying that, Laxus wanted a real fight vs Erza without this "holding back handicap" for his win (the defensive Erza in chapter 44).

In the final way (chapter 45), Erza responded to his ask by going all out and was as agressive as Laxus, but she stopped to use enchants (no Fire and Icy blades or else) and then made a mismatch to him. She admitted she lost because she fulled all magic reserve and fell down before Laxus because of her friendly's long speech and said that she will win next time. Laxus answered that this is his line before falling as empty as Erza just seconds after.

For me, Laxus and his full power up (Red Lightning) and his upper physical habilities (she was amazed to the crazy gap with the Laxus she knew before) has grown enough to reach Erza's Arbaless full level (Irene's fight before emotional boost vs meteor and Dragon Queen) which is very impressive (we don't know if she can use enchants as will). They are portrayed equal.



Erza can do the same... Her emotional power skyrockets her habilities the same way. But reaching max potential power remains external conditions. Friends life in Balance (read fight vs Azuma, Kyoka and Irene for Erza // read fight vs Zeleph who wanted to erase world which put Natsu into Dragon Force or Grey's "sacrifice" to counter Memento Mori that enraged him the same way). Love and Friendship are the main theme of the Manga, and their strongest power (explained by Natsu before obliterate Fairy Heart Zeleph).

Without these conditions, the top wizard is Gildarts. We don't know if he has grown stronger in a year. I think now, Erza and Laxus have reach Gildart's Arbaless's level. I have always see them as the 3 Fairy Tail's Ace, with Gildarts far above until Arbaless.

For the match between Laxus and Hades, well, Laxus couldn't compete. He admitted himself that Hades was far above.
To a parallel, it is like saying injured Erza's fight vs Jose was on par. Jose was clearly above but admitted that Erza could manage to reduce their gap without Jupiter's impact. in these different time lines :
Jose >> Erza = Hades >> Laxus

On Tenrô Island, Gildarts was unmatched, and I think Hades vs Gildarts could be interesting way in this time.

We clearly aren’t for this part bro. Like in the sleightest. She transforms, after getting her armor destroyed and doing no damage in return, and displays her new DS sword. Laxus says, if you have a new technique you aren’t an opponent to play with. (Which is a thing Laxus does consistently) Laxus says he’ll match her technique with his new technique. What fight did you read where that was him saying he couldn’t match her? An since this is a more mature Laxus, him taking Erza seriously when she unveiled a new technique clearly for fighting Dragons and DS fits with his character arc and growth. Especially since he literally just finished fighting an Erza tier character and used a Secret Art on her.

Here we are closer to alignment. I would argue a bigger point needs to be made of how she enchanted her swords. She got Natsu and Gray’s slayer abilities and stacked those on top of her own slayer boost. Even with that foresight, and a triple slayer boost in her best offensive armor, she thought she could put Laxus down and was wrong. I agree she could have dealt some more damage with that slash, but not enough to change the outcome of the fight. Though it would have been nice.

Yeah she did only have it for they attack, which is the only really major blow she lands. Laxus is trading her punches for sword strokes and still outlasts her. He also was able to fire off more spells than her in the last chapter. The only big controversy I think we’d have is people think Blumeblatt and Raiko made that explosion together. An to me it looks allot more like Raiko disintegrates all those swords, causing the explosion.

Laxus doesn’t need to reach her Alvarez levels, he was already stronger than she was. This battle confirms that she’s solidly on his tier. It wasn’t a sure thing before this fight by any means. An I would rank both of them above Alvarez Gildarts, at this point I’m willing to argue, and will, that both have reached August and Irene’s tier with these buffs, and will continue to grow.

 

[GL_Nova]

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your quote made me 100% sure that you can't read skipping chapters and laxus wanker and also watch another FT manga called GL_nova headcanon FT manga

If attempting to discredit instead of debunk is the route you choose, have at it. It’s not head cannon, everything I’m saying happens in the manga. An if you genuinely think he needed to reach Alvarez Erza levels, let’s not discuss wank.

 

[Ronin31]

Well, Blumenblatt and Raiko countered each other to a mismatch. If not, if Laxus is so superior, why Erza didn't get blown away and got trashed by Raiko ?? And this Blumenblatt was used vs human Irene, boosted by Wendy's Enchants and she was toying at, makind a flower with swords and told her that her power scale was disappointed her to a ridiculous point. Saiying Erza and Laxus are Irene's and August tier is also rididculous. Perhaps, later because they are growing, but they have a long road to do before reach them.

 

[GL_Nova]

Well, Blumenblatt and Raiko countered each other to a mismatch. If not, if Laxus is so superior, why Erza didn't get blown away and got trashed by Raiko ?? And this Blumenblatt was used vs human Irene, boosted by Wendy's Enchants and she was toying at, makind a flower with swords and told her that her power scale was disappointed her to a ridiculous point. Saiying Erza and Laxus are Irene's and August tier is also rididculous. Perhaps, later because they are growing, but they have a long road to do before reach them.

Erza did a good job holding her own against Irene. The gap isn’t so wide that the idea is they need a ton of extra growth.

 

[grey matter]

Erza did a good job holding her own against Irene. The gap isn’t so wide that the idea is they need a ton of extra growth.

Exactly.

HUMAN Eileen was Erza tier in Alverez. It's Dragon Eileen who's >>> Erza