Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ronin31]

Irene was low-diff team Erza/Wendy and was toying at them until Wendy reversed Enchants and regained her body. After Wendy fell, Erza was more in fight condition than before and had not the choice to loose, because if she loosed, Irene would take defensless Wendy's body. So Erza fulled into her emotional powers to reduced the gap but couldn't match Irene's power and dealt her damage. Her resolution put her above the Erza who's fighting Laxus, who is not her ennemi, and where life is not in Balance. Angry, Irene turned into a Dragon and broke nearly all Erza's bones in a single slap and managed to kill everyone on the Continent with a crazy amped Deus Sema. As Erza's mood to save everyone, Erza fulled into all her emotional powers (like did Natsu to obliterate Fairy Heart Zeleph) to transformed her into Kamikaze for her people safe. Her powers skyrocked and this Erza is by far beyond Laxus's and Erza's opposition, like Natsu's vs Zeleph was crazy stronger than a classical Dragon King Natsu, exploded the meteor and slashed through Irene'scales. But Irene could continue while Erza was clearly off, no mobility and no Magic. She could kill her if her heart was not in contradiction of her mind, the same way as your Laxus was using Fairy Law during Fantasia. Because she loved her daughter, her powers were inconsciously restrained.

You can't compare a full Emotional power Erza with an Erza who is fighting a friend. It is the same way as saiying that Natsu fighting Gajeel is on the same level than Natsu's fighting Fairy Heart Zeleph who wanted to erase the world and Natsu's family.

But this power level can only used under circonstances than put Life's Friends or family in Balance.

For now, Erza and Laxus are strong, but way less as strong as Irene and August. These two were the strongest human wizards in the Manga, until now, if we considered Irene as a wizard, which she was not but on superior level as a Dragon.

Laxus and Erza reduced the gap, I agree and they will continue until perhaps going stronger, but they have still a long way to reach that power level.

 

[Ronin31]

this is my last debate to you i will show your headcanons

1-you said that furmula 28 is hax spell and stronger than furmula 100 how is that??
and you are saying laxus fell on his knees from furmula 28 is more impresive than makarov who blocked it???!! isn't this laxus wank?

2-you said that makarov sensed gildarts power yet when gildarts fought bluenote he was uncosicous how did he knew gildarts power when he didn't see him fight in 2 years?

3-you said that mashima quote about gildarts and laxus? you proof it i don't need to proof what's clear

4-you said that laxus is the only one who fought spriggan alone?? natsu beated 2 spriggan alone he beated zeref alone gajeel beated bloodman alone in his fight levy was deadweight she didn't do anything she was helpless and he recieved his power up through bloodman partciles, gray beated invel alone and you are saying that his ice wasn't affective rewatch the fight gray hit invel with the devil sword and made him cough blood then invel used ice look on him and you know what happened after that if you didn't skip the chapter ofcorse, gildarts fight with august cana was there only to show august weakness

6-you said that gray and gajeel recieves boost in their fight? i think you forgot that laxus recieved a boost too raiko he wasn't going to win without that boost just like gajeel and gray.

7-you said that laxus is sidelined in tartarus and alvarez how is that?? in tartarus he fought one of the demon gates and beated him. in alvarez he fought a spriggan and then helped the other dragon slayers in acno fight

8-you said that laxus can win against laxus?? how can he damage him??

9-you said that laxus blitz acno how is that??
he tried to attack him from his back but acno blocked it and put his head in the ground with just his hand

and when i said that erza is stronger than laxus? every laxus fan said that laxus can low diff her you are the ones that wanking laxus and if you are going to say that she nedeed enchancment to fight him erza last attack was blumenblut.

eid mubark and bye.

Totally agree.

 

[grey matter]

this is my last debate to you i will show your headcanons

1-you said that furmula 28 is hax spell and stronger than furmula 100 how is that??
and you are saying laxus fell on his knees from furmula 28 is more impresive than makarov who blocked it???!! isn't this laxus wank?

2-you said that makarov sensed gildarts power yet when gildarts fought bluenote he was uncosicous how did he knew gildarts power when he didn't see him fight in 2 years?

3-you said that mashima quote about gildarts and laxus? you proof it i don't need to proof what's clear

4-you said that laxus is the only one who fought spriggan alone?? natsu beated 2 spriggan alone he beated zeref alone gajeel beated bloodman alone in his fight levy was deadweight she didn't do anything she was helpless and he recieved his power up through bloodman partciles, gray beated invel alone and you are saying that his ice wasn't affective rewatch the fight gray hit invel with the devil sword and made him cough blood then invel used ice look on him and you know what happened after that if you didn't skip the chapter ofcorse, gildarts fight with august cana was there only to show august weakness

6-you said that gray and gajeel recieves boost in their fight? i think you forgot that laxus recieved a boost too raiko he wasn't going to win without that boost just like gajeel and gray.

7-you said that laxus is sidelined in tartarus and alvarez how is that?? in tartarus he fought one of the demon gates and beated him. in alvarez he fought a spriggan and then helped the other dragon slayers in acno fight

8-you said that laxus can win against august?? how can he damage him??

9-you said that laxus blitz acno how is that??
he tried to attack him from his back but acno blocked it and put his head in the ground with just his hand

and when i said that erza is stronger than laxus? every laxus fan said that laxus can low diff her you are the ones that wanking laxus and if you are going to say that she nedeed enchancment to fight him erza last attack was blumenblut.

eid mubark and bye.

I don't know if he said any of that (didn't read), but most of what you wrote here are facts

Laxus did get sidelined in Tartarus tho, he was too strong for the arc (except for obviously Mard) so he was conveniently put away by Mashima after low diffing Tempesta

And it wasn't just Laxus fans who thought Laxus was on a different level compared to Erza, that was the consensus among most, even those who even hated Laxus, due to previous feats.
IMO, Erza was slowly closing the gap, by now closed it to give him extreme diff (tho with buffs)

 

[Seven777]

Actually Mashima's statement about sidelining people was about Laxus not Gildarts, it's just incredibly applicable to Gildarts too. It came from an interview with Laxus' VA. Supposedly Mashima told him that he can't introduce Laxus into too many fights because he's too powerful.

 

[Fyron]

Human Irene never low diffed Erza with or without enchantments from Wendy. Irene nullifying a single Blumen Brat from Erza is not called low diffing her. Human Irene doesn't have a single feat against Erza or outside her battle against Erza which suggests she can low diff her. Nor is there even portrayal or a statement hinting so . I don't know from where is this notion that Human Irene can low diff Erza coming from.

 

[GL_Nova]

Totally agree.

Save us both time buddy, if you ain’t got something to add, a like works as a co-sign just fine lol.

 

[Jko]

Erza was a joke to Irene even while being enchanted by Wendy. Blumenblatt that matched Raiko was easily treated as a child's play and Irene was lol-ing at how pathetic Erza was when she was boosted by Wendy.

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Erza only did so much against Irene because Erza had PoF boost (just like Natsu bcs hello they can't die lol) and Irene held back. 100 Years Quest already shows Irene could lol stomp any FT mage she wants with only a small percentage of her actual power as she did with Dragonified Nebal.

Irene too hax, too strong, too much mp and too much xp for anyone in FT to handle without plot boost power ups.

Irene or August > Anyone in FT.

 

[GL_Nova]

this is my last debate to you i will show your headcanons

1-you said that furmula 28 is hax spell and stronger than furmula 100 how is that??
and you are saying laxus fell on his knees from furmula 28 is more impresive than makarov who blocked it???!! isn't this laxus wank?

2-you said that makarov sensed gildarts power yet when gildarts fought bluenote he was uncosicous how did he knew gildarts power when he didn't see him fight in 2 years?

3-you said that mashima quote about gildarts and laxus? you proof it i don't need to proof what's clear

4-you said that laxus is the only one who fought spriggan alone?? natsu beated 2 spriggan alone he beated zeref alone gajeel beated bloodman alone in his fight levy was deadweight she didn't do anything she was helpless and he recieved his power up through bloodman partciles, gray beated invel alone and you are saying that his ice wasn't affective rewatch the fight gray hit invel with the devil sword and made him cough blood then invel used ice look on him and you know what happened after that if you didn't skip the chapter ofcorse, gildarts fight with august cana was there only to show august weakness

6-you said that gray and gajeel recieves boost in their fight? i think you forgot that laxus recieved a boost too raiko he wasn't going to win without that boost just like gajeel and gray.

7-you said that laxus is sidelined in tartarus and alvarez how is that?? in tartarus he fought one of the demon gates and beated him. in alvarez he fought a spriggan and then helped the other dragon slayers in acno fight

8-you said that laxus can win against august?? how can he damage him??

9-you said that laxus blitz acno how is that??
he tried to attack him from his back but acno blocked it and put his head in the ground with just his hand

and when i said that erza is stronger than laxus? every laxus fan said that laxus can low diff her you are the ones that wanking laxus and if you are going to say that she nedeed enchancment to fight him erza last attack was blumenblut.

eid mubark and bye.

1) As I’ve stated multiple times. The fact that the spell used against Laxus has a hax component, as clearly explained in the fleshed out anime scenes, designed to steal his limbs movements and mentioned to be capable of killing people just from blocking it makes it more impressive than the pure strength flex that the brute force formula 100 is. Not wank, assessment.

2) Again, you purposefully choose to ignore my repeated mention of both the fact Gildarts flexed for the entire Island to feel before a single blow was thrown in that war, and that Makarov was conscious enough to gather FT and rally them. An the other flaw is it wouldn’t be the first time the Master was out but aware of what was going on with the guild even if he wasn’t.

3) Yes, because the quote is about Laxus. You claim it’s about only Gildarts, so show that bro.

4) Again, let’s look at this objectively. Gray and the first master we’re present and intervened in his battle with Zeref, as did Lucy and Happy. As previously mentioned, even though you keep ignoring it, Levy and Juvia both actively saved their love interests and passively inspired emotional boosts.

5) Raiko is him discovering a new power with his final blow, typical shounen power up. It’s the result of a year of training and his own personal motivation, not a protection boost. Hence the year of training and being able to turn it into its own mode. Plus, he kind of dominated that Entire fight against a Top tier Spriggan with immunity to his magic while only suffering minor injuries, and only lost control because of his illness.

6) He fights in the opening, gets sick and is sidelines the rest of the arc. Then that same illness keeps him sidelined after his early match again. He isn’t even allowed to fight with the guild on the way to the guildhall.

7) Well several options, channel power through water again, fight him to exhaustion like Gild was doing, FL he had options.

8) We are clearly shown speed lines. Acno finished turning after the explosion clears. Laxus was able to blitz him and land a blow, it just didn’t get through the immunity.

9) Up until Alvarez he would have. As shown by him hanging with someone Mira felt she and Erza couldn’t beat as a team. That gap has been shown to be able to close, but let’s not act like Wendy’s amps aren’t broken and that’s exactly what Erza used to boost herself. It’s a dope power up, but it’s a power up.

 

[Jko]

We also don't know when Mashima told Laxus' VA of him being too powerful for certain arcs so it's meaningless either way.

 

[Brandish μ]

In terms of magic power and skill, Irene is certainly above the likes of Laxus and Erza.

When it comes to fighting/combat - that's where the gap starts to shrink, considerably. Laxus and Erza also made gains since the Alvarez arc.

 

[Seven777]

Given Mashima's statement and Gray likening him to Gildarts in that he's so powerful he doesn't need to train to keep up with the timeskip, i think it's safe to say Laxus was close enough to Gildarts tier to give him a good fight, certainly stronger than the rest of FT bar perhaps Makarov. He'd be a match for Bluenote.
Oh and Gildarts didn't oneshot Bluenote either, they had a whole fight.

 

[Fyron]

Erza was a joke to Irene even while being enchanted by Wendy. Blumenblatt that matched Raiko was easily treated as a child's play and Irene was lol-ing at how pathetic Erza was when she was boosted by Wendy.

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Erza only did so much against Irene because Erza had PoF boost (just like Natsu bcs hello they can't die lol) and Irene held back. 100 Years Quest already shows Irene could lol stomp any FT mage she wants with only a small percentage of her actual power as she did with Dragonified Nebal.

Irene too hax, too strong, too much mp and too much xp for anyone in FT to handle without plot boost power ups.

Irene or August > Anyone in FT.

Erza was also buffed against Laxus , in fact she was buffed with Natsu's and Gray's powers , Laxus couldn't stomp her even before she pulled out her enchanted swords. He was overwhelming her sure , but it wasn't a domination. Wendy enchanting Erza with her own power is not stronger than her being enchanted with Natsu's and Gray's powers who are individually > Wendy , which is enough to tell us that Wendy's enchantments aren't game changing ones.

Irene nullifying a single Blumen Blatt from Erza doesn't say anything. The difference between the fight against Laxus and this is that Erza went all out against Laxus and used everything in her arsenal which contributed to his defeat. Had Erza gone all out during that time like she did against Laxus and used everything in her arsenal and still failed to scratch Irene , I would've agreed Human Irene >> Erza. That's not what happened. All Irene did was nullify a single attack from Erza ( which is pretty standard in fights ) , Erza wasn't close to being exhausted , and she thought that was all Erza could do ( which was obviously not the case ) and so she mocked her. There was never any portrayal or statement suggesting Human Irene >>> Erza seeing as how Erza is stronger than the rest of the Spriggans other than the top 3 by a mile.

PoF bullshit happened only when Irene entered her Dragon Form. Erza didn't seem to be pissed/emotional and going nakama mode before that to me. Also how does Irene beating Nebal of all people prove she can stomp anyone in Fairy Tail ?

 

[Jko]

Erza was also buffed against Laxus , in fact she was buffed with Natsu's and Gray's powers , Laxus couldn't stomp her even before she pulled out her enchanted swords. He was overwhelming her sure , but it wasn't a domination. Wendy enchanting Erza with her own power is not stronger than her being enchanted with Natsu's and Gray's powers who are individually > Wendy , which is enough to tell us that Wendy's enchantments aren't game changing ones.

Irene nullifying a single Blumen Blatt from Erza doesn't say anything. The difference between the fight against Laxus and this is that Erza went all out against Laxus and used everything in her arsenal which contributed to his defeat. Had Erza gone all out during that time like she did against Laxus and used everything in her arsenal and still failed to scratch Irene , I would've agreed Human Irene >> Erza. That's not what happened. All Irene did was nullify a single attack from Erza ( which is pretty standard in fights ) , Erza wasn't close to being exhausted , and she thought that was all Erza could do ( which was obviously not the case ) and so she mocked her. There was never any portrayal or statement suggesting Human Irene >>> Erza seeing as how Erza is stronger than the rest of the Spriggans other than the top 3 by a mile.

PoF bullshit happened only when Irene entered her Dragon Form. Erza didn't seem to be pissed/emotional and going nakama mode before that to me. Also how does Irene beating Nebal of all people prove she can stomp anyone in Fairy Tail ?

Erza buffed only her weapons lol. Wendy is a better enchanter and she can actually give big buffs for stats and weapons. Wendy enchanted all the 6DS magic into Natsu...lol. Wendy literally taught Erza how to use enchantment so Wendy can do the same thing Erza can. Wendy's enchantments surprised Acno

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and were stated to be powerful by everyone buffed by them.

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We all seen Wendy's Deus spells allow her to tank multiple attacks from a guy who stomped her without them. Wendy is a way better enchanter than Erza.

It is perfectly telling as Irene lol noped a Raiko level attack. Erza went all out against Irene lol. She did not close use her entire arsenal against Laxus. She literally went beyond while she was not going all out against Laxus until the final confrontation. She also wasn't going for the kill or even close to use PoF like she was against Irene. The fact that Wendy Belserion is weaker than 1% of Human Irene's residual magic is already telling enough as Wendy B > Erza. Erza got stomped by Ajeel in a 1v1. She is definitely not stronger than a lot of S12 let alone by a mile.

PoF was used throughout as she was high off the feels from Makarov's death. Irene's residual mp stomped a guy who stomped Wendy B. The same Wendy B that was battering Erza and had Erza on her knees with one attack lol. Not only that she can literally rip the magical power right out of mages.

Human Irene >>> Erza lol. Only reason it lasted so long was bcs Irene held back, Erza was on PoF, and Wendy backed her up and bs-ed her way through some of Irene's enchantments.

 

[Seven777]

Erza buffed only her weapons lol. Wendy is a better enchanter and she can actually give big buffs for stats and weapons. Wendy enchanted all the 6DS magic into Natsu...lol. Wendy literally taught Erza how to use enchantment so Wendy can do the same thing Erza can. Wendy's enchantments surprised Acno

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and were stated to be powerful by everyone buffed by them.

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We all seen Wendy's Deus spells allow her to tank multiple attacks from a guy who stomped her without them. Wendy is a way better enchanter than Erza.

It is perfectly telling as Irene lol noped a Raiko level attack. Erza went all out against Irene lol. She did not close use her entire arsenal against Laxus. She literally went beyond while she was not going all out against Laxus until the final confrontation. She also wasn't going for the kill or even close to use PoF like she was against Irene. The fact that Wendy Belserion is weaker than 1% of Human Irene's residual magic is already telling enough as Wendy B > Erza. Erza got stomped by Ajeel in a 1v1. She is definitely not stronger than a lot of S12 let alone by a mile.

PoF was used throughout as she was high off the feels from Makarov's death. Irene's residual mp stomped a guy who stomped Wendy B. The same Wendy B that was battering Erza and had Erza on her knees with one attack lol. Not only that she can literally rip the magical power right out of mages.

Human Irene >>> Erza lol. Only reason it lasted so long was bcs Irene held back, Erza was on PoF, and Wendy backed her up and bs-ed her way through some of Irene's enchantments.

Irene's residual MP didn't stomp someone who stomped Wendy B, it is Wendy B, just properly used. The Wendy B that fought Erza is at least as strong as the Eileen that beat Nebal, and Erza had to hold back against her.

Erza was a match for Bloodlusted Human Eileen, Erza performed so well and Eileen was so enraged, that she even ended up going dragon against her. Human Eileen was more or less Erza tier, who is weaker than current Erza, who is weaker than current Laxus.

 

[Jko]

Irene's residual MP didn't stomp someone who stomped Wendy B, it is Wendy B, just properly used. The Wendy B that fought Erza is at least as strong as the Eileen that beat Nebal, and Erza had to hold back against her.

Erza was a match for Bloodlusted Human Eileen, Erza performed so well and Eileen was so enraged, that she even ended up going dragon against her. Human Eileen was more or less Erza tier, who is weaker than current Erza, who is weaker than current Laxus.

Wendy was using Wendy B's power. Wendy B is only Irene using Wendy's latent power. The residual magic from the MP comes from the magic left from the separation enchantment. So Wendy B < Irene's residual mp.

Irene wasn't bloodlusted and was stated and shown to hold back. Erza with Wendy's enchantment was easily getting beaten by Irene lol. Human Irene was above Erza tier. She literally beat Erza in a far weaker host body that didn't even have 1% of her actual magical power lol. Erza is equal to Laxus as they stalemated each other.

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Erza was beaten up by five beserkers yet she is supposedly on the level of Human Irene who was able to casually do that to two million+ other soldiers...lol. Irene would rip Erza's magic out of her and turn all of Erza's weapons into flowers if she was serious. Erza had to bs her way through to a holding back Irene. Irene used her protege to troll the WW who trolled FT .

 

[Seven777]

Wendy was using Wendy B's power. Wendy B is only Irene using Wendy's latent power. The residual magic from the MP comes from the magic left from the separation enchantment. So Wendy B < Irene's residual mp.

Irene wasn't bloodlusted and was stated and shown to hold back. Erza with Wendy's enchantment was easily getting beaten by Irene lol. Human Irene was above Erza tier. She literally beat Erza in a far weaker host body that didn't even have 1% of her actual magical power lol. Erza is equal to Laxus as they stalemated each other.

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Erza was beaten up by five beserkers yet she is supposedly on the level of Human Irene who was able to casually do that to two million+ other soldiers...lol. Irene would rip Erza's magic out of her and turn all of Erza's weapons into flowers if she was serious. Erza had to bs her way through to a holding back Irene. Irene used her protege to troll the WW who trolled FT .

Wendy B is the separation enchantment, why would the residual power of the separation enchantment have more power than the separation enchantment itself? Makes no sense. Residual Eileen=<Wendy B(Alvarez arc)

Of course she was, you don't break every bone in a persons body if you're not bloodlusted. Eileen fucked Erza up worse than Gray fucked up Invel, worse than Natsu fucked up Dimaria, and unlike Natsu and Gray who mercifully chose to leave their opponents alive, Eileen was going to obliterate her with a meteor. Eileen was the most bloodlusted any FT character in the entire series has ever been.
Erza with Wendy's enchantment wasn't getting beaten lol, Eileen couldn't land a single hit on either of them, in fact they were the ones landing hit on her. They were winning. Erza vs Bloodlusted Eileen showed us all we needed to see, she's on her level.

Erza was getting beaten up by an army lol, Eileen enchanting them stronger doesn't give her credit for their accomplishments. It's like saying Wendy could beat up Dorma Anim because she enchanted Natsu and Gajeel to beat up Dorma Anim.

 

[Fyron]

Erza buffed only her weapons lol. Wendy is a better enchanter and she can actually give big buffs for stats and weapons. Wendy enchanted all the 6DS magic into Natsu...lol. Wendy literally taught Erza how to use enchantment so Wendy can do the same thing Erza can. Wendy's enchantments surprised Acno

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and were stated to be powerful by everyone buffed by them.

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We all seen Wendy's Deus spells allow her to tank multiple attacks from a guy who stomped her without them. Wendy is a way better enchanter than Erza.

It is perfectly telling as Irene lol noped a Raiko level attack. Erza went all out against Irene lol. She did not close use her entire arsenal against Laxus. She literally went beyond while she was not going all out against Laxus until the final confrontation. She also wasn't going for the kill or even close to use PoF like she was against Irene. The fact that Wendy Belserion is weaker than 1% of Human Irene's residual magic is already telling enough as Wendy B > Erza. Erza got stomped by Ajeel in a 1v1. She is definitely not stronger than a lot of S12 let alone by a mile.

PoF was used throughout as she was high off the feels from Makarov's death. Irene's residual mp stomped a guy who stomped Wendy B. The same Wendy B that was battering Erza and had Erza on her knees with one attack lol. Not only that she can literally rip the magical power right out of mages.

Human Irene >>> Erza lol. Only reason it lasted so long was bcs Irene held back, Erza was on PoF, and Wendy backed her up and bs-ed her way through some of Irene's enchantments.

What Wendy can potentially do is irrelevant here. Wendy enchanted the power of the other dragon slayers in Natsu against Acnologia , against Irene she didn't. She enchanted Erza using her own power , not anyone else's. Wendy may know different types of enchantments and her knowledge in those obviously exceeds that of Erza's , but the bottomline is that Erza enchanted Natsu's and Gray's powers in her swords who are stronger than Wendy in every respect. Perhaps if it was Wendy she could've used their powers more efficiently and creatively than what Erza did , doesn't change the fact those buffs have to be stronger than Wendy's own power.

Wendy's spells make a huge difference when she herself is enchanted because her enemies also operate on a low level , enough for Wendy's enchantments to make a gamechanging difference. You can't compare enemies like Nebal with enemies like Irene and Laxus.

Erza used Benizakura , anti lightning armor , CQC fight for like 2 chapters , Enchanted swords containing buffs from Natsu and Gray , and then finally Blumenblatt , and most importantly she fell down exhausted after the fight suggesting she was out of power. This clearly didn't happen against Human Irene when she used Blumenblatt. Wendy Belserion is not stronger than Erza. Erza was holding back the entire fight , proof is that Erza reached and had WB in her striking range and yet didn't slash her which caused WB to remark that she was too soft. Erza got stomped by Ajeel because he was a very bad matchup for her , she's above him in raw power. And Ajeel is one of the stronger Spriggans anyway who's actually got quantifiable feats. He gets downplayed to oblivion by many because of his cocky personality and people place him at the bottom of the Spriggans , but as far as I'm concerned he's got a solid feat of giving a very tough battle to Elfman despite of Elfman having a sand counter against him. Like it or not , Elfman could stalemate Madmole without any type advantages , which indirectly places Ajeel above Madmole too , especially when we know type advantage makes a huge difference. Now whether it is because Madmole actively requires to be attentive to defend against attacks or something else , but credit where credit is due , it happened.

She didn't get pissed or get any nakama flashbacks against Human Irene. Hell , she didn't even think about Makarov. And as I said , WB could only last against Erza because Erza held back.

Feats suggest Human Irene >>>> Wendy because Wendy in Irene's body could easily trump WB. Never once is it suggested Human Irene >>> Erza.

 

[Axiomus]

Irene using her own powers in Wendy's body > Wendy using Irene's power inside her own body. That's really all we need to know. The personality enchantment itself carries with it some magic power. When Irene took over Wendy's body in the Alvarez Arc, she carried with her some of her own magic power. This residual magic power was what Wendy is trying to tap into against Nebal, and Irene was simply better at using it than Wendy.

White Witch had already lost all her power and on her knees by the time Wendy showed up. Not quite a fair comparison.

 

[Jko]

What Wendy can potentially do is irrelevant here. Wendy enchanted the power of the other dragon slayers in Natsu against Acnologia , against Irene she didn't. She enchanted Erza using her own power , not anyone else's. Wendy may know different types of enchantments and her knowledge in those obviously exceeds that of Erza's , but the bottomline is that Erza enchanted Natsu's and Gray's powers in her swords who are stronger than Wendy in every respect. Perhaps if it was Wendy she could've used their powers more efficiently and creatively than what Erza did , doesn't change the fact those buffs have to be stronger than Wendy's own power.

Wendy's spells make a huge difference when she herself is enchanted because her enemies also operate on a low level , enough for Wendy's enchantments to make a gamechanging difference. You can't compare enemies like Nebal with enemies like Irene and Laxus.

Erza used Benizakura , anti lightning armor , CQC fight for like 2 chapters , Enchanted swords containing buffs from Natsu and Gray , and then finally Blumenblatt , and most importantly she fell down exhausted after the fight suggesting she was out of power. This clearly didn't happen against Human Irene when she used Blumenblatt. Wendy Belserion is not stronger than Erza. Erza was holding back the entire fight , proof is that Erza reached and had WB in her striking range and yet didn't slash her which caused WB to remark that she was too soft. Erza got stomped by Ajeel because he was a very bad matchup for her , she's above him in raw power. And Ajeel is one of the stronger Spriggans anyway who's actually got quantifiable feats. He gets downplayed to oblivion by many because of his cocky personality and people place him at the bottom of the Spriggans , but as far as I'm concerned he's got a solid feat of giving a very tough battle to Elfman despite of Elfman having a sand counter against him. Like it or not , Elfman could stalemate Madmole without any type advantages , which indirectly places Ajeel above Madmole too , especially when we know type advantage makes a huge difference. Now whether it is because Madmole actively requires to be attentive to defend against attacks or something else , but credit where credit is due , it happened.

She didn't get pissed or get any nakama flashbacks against Human Irene. Hell , she didn't even think about Makarov. And as I said , WB could only last against Erza because Erza held back.

Feats suggest Human Irene >>>> Wendy because Wendy in Irene's body could easily trump WB. Never once is it suggested Human Irene >>> Erza.

How is it irrelevant? This is also not potential either as she is stated by Erza to have taught her how to do these things. Who said she enchanted Erza with the 6DS? Wendy enchanted 6DS powers into Natsu and taught Erza how to enchant their magic into her swords. Wendy can do all that on top of stat buffs, relieve fatigue, and healing. It's a no brainer that Wendy's enchantments are better.

Sting, and Gajeel, both who beat an S12, operate on the same level as Wendy???? There's a difference as it is noted when some gets enchanted to make the difference. I can for sure compare Dragonizied Nebal bcs Nebal beat the crap out of Wendy B who beat the crap out of Erza who is equal to Laxus. She did go for an all out strike and got sent packing. Irene then was toying with her after that and it's not like Irene had any trouble keeping up with Erza. But Ajeel isn't top 3 S12 lol. I'm just saying, you said she is miles above the S12 and she is really not as shown in her fight against Ajeel. There are other S12s besides Ajeel who can finish the fight in one blow against Erza. The S12 are still up there in power scaling.

And what does that have to do with her Blumen Blatt failing against Irene? Her Blumen Blatt still stalemated Raiko yet was utterly useless against Irene. Wendy B is stronger than Erza lol. Erza literally tries to attack and gets sent flying with a kick that puts Erza on her knees.

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Wendy then puts her into the dirt continously and was going to majorly damage Erza had it not been for Wendy's Deus Corona.

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She went in between a bloodlusted Gray and enraged Natsu attack minutes prior lol. She was hyped on the PoF juice the entire time. She was thinking about Makarov prior to the fight. She also didn't get pissed or nakama flashbacks when she busted the meteor nor did she get them against when she knocked RoT Acno out of the sky (which is a definite PoF feat). Erza didn't even hold back in her intial strike and got kicked in the gut and proceeded to be on her knees for most of the fight lol. She then almost gets wrecked for good had it not been for Irene Marvell lol.

It does as Wendy B was smashing Erza. How would Wendy B be able to hurt Erza if she was not on her level in the first place? She literally beat her up physical and magically to the point Erza is screaming out in pain and is in a fetal position from the attack.

Wendy B is the separation enchantment, why would the residual power of the separation enchantment have more power than the separation enchantment itself? Makes no sense. Residual Eileen=<Wendy B(Alvarez arc)

Of course she was, you don't break every bone in a persons body if you're not bloodlusted. Eileen fucked Erza up worse than Gray fucked up Invel, worse than Natsu fucked up Dimaria, and unlike Natsu and Gray who mercifully chose to leave their opponents alive, Eileen was going to obliterate her with a meteor. Eileen was the most bloodlusted any FT character in the entire series has ever been.
Erza with Wendy's enchantment wasn't getting beaten lol, Eileen couldn't land a single hit on either of them, in fact they were the ones landing hit on her. They were winning. Erza vs Bloodlusted Eileen showed us all we needed to see, she's on her level.

Erza was getting beaten up by an army lol, Eileen enchanting them stronger doesn't give her credit for their accomplishments. It's like saying Wendy could beat up Dorma Anim because she enchanted Natsu and Gajeel to beat up Dorma Anim.

Because the separation enchantment had nothing to do with Irene using Wendy's latent potential to become Wendy B. The residual power of the enchantment has more MP than Wendy B bcs the enchantment comes from Human Irene's residual magical power and Irene's magical power is far stronger than Wendy's (even with her potential released).

Irene immobilized Erza. If she was bloodlusted then she would have just killed Erza with that attack. Irene sits there for the rest of the fight and lets Erza hit her. How does that say she is bloodlusted when she just sat there and let Erza bust the meteor and hurt her? It was then stated that Irene could not kill Erza which means she held back. You can't hold back when you're bloodlusted lol.

It does give her credit since that entire army would have been destroyed by her and she did that casually. She also saw Makarov take out 80% of the forces and said those beserkers being off the battlefield changed nothing which meant she thought of them as still fodder lol. She terraformed an entire country with ease. 2 million fodder she casually enchanted would be child's play for her to destroy. Wendy also is stronger than the fodder she has enchanted. She would solo Doom and the enchanted fodder of the guild. Her enchanting fodder to reach Erza level is a big feat since that shows the spells she can do and the magical power she has are ridiculous.

 

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We also don't know when Mashima told Laxus' VA of him being too powerful for certain arcs so it's meaningless either way.

So essentially we should just ignore it regardless? Come on bro, the interview is during and about Tartaros. That’s far more than close enough to the end of the series (2nd to last arc) to prove the point.