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So essentially we should just ignore it regardless? Come on bro, the interview is during and about Tartaros. That’s far more than close enough to the end of the series (2nd to last arc) to prove the point.
But we don't when Hiro told that to him. He could have told him that in the beginning of the series for all we know lol. Laxus was also used in Tartarus, GMG, and Tenrou so the quote itself wouldn't make sense in other arcs besides BoS as well. He also wasn't stronger or even close to the main antagonist in those three arcs either. So we should disregard it.
 

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But we don't when Hiro told that to him. He could have told him that in the beginning of the series for all we know lol. Laxus was also used in Tartarus, GMG, and Tenrou so the quote itself wouldn't make sense in other arcs besides BoS as well. He also wasn't stronger or even close to the main antagonist in those three arcs either. So we should disregard it.
What are you talking about? Laxus was only used in GMG as a whole arc. An he bested the strongest enemy of the arc. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he couldn’t beat Future Rogue. As already stated, he was taken off the board in Tartarus. His loss was the reason they went after the demon guild in the first place, but he spent the arc asleep and sick. He was close to all of the antagonists of those arcs as well. He destroyed Tempester who was as strong as Natsu. He could even beat him while sick and dying in his strongest form.
 

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What are you talking about? Laxus was only used in GMG as a whole arc. An he bested the strongest enemy of the arc. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he couldn’t beat Future Rogue. As already stated, he was taken off the board in Tartarus. His loss was the reason they went after the demon guild in the first place, but he spent the arc asleep and sick. He was close to all of the antagonists of those arcs as well. He destroyed Tempester who was as strong as Natsu. He could even beat him while sick and dying in his strongest form.
Is GMG Laxus besting current dual elements Sting? Cause, that's basically what future Rouge was, but more experienced and potentially more powerful.
He one shotted LFD Natsu amped on POF (after seeing Future Lucy die). GMG Laxus can't do it. Natsu needed powerup from a dragon (we see how big powerups from Dragons are for Natsu, from the spinoff itself) to fight Future Rouge on equal terms.
Laxus wasn't sidelined in Dragon festival arc either, he faced Zirconis. But, like any other DS, he was utterly helpless, that's all

Agreed for Tartarus arc
 

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What are you talking about? Laxus was only used in GMG as a whole arc. An he bested the strongest enemy of the arc. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he couldn’t beat Future Rogue. As already stated, he was taken off the board in Tartarus. His loss was the reason they went after the demon guild in the first place, but he spent the arc asleep and sick. He was close to all of the antagonists of those arcs as well. He destroyed Tempester who was as strong as Natsu. He could even beat him while sick and dying in his strongest form.
Do you honestly think Tartarus Laxus could beat Mard Geer when DF Natsu failed too?
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Also he could not beat Future Rogue at all. F.Rogue total LFD Natsu and fought AF Natsu. AF Natsu was able to do major damage to Motherglare while Laxus failed to do any sustainable damage to Zirconis. Laxus was as helpless as Wendy against a Dragon.
 
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How is it irrelevant? This is also not potential either as she is stated by Erza to have taught her how to do these things. Who said she enchanted Erza with the 6DS? Wendy enchanted 6DS powers into Natsu and taught Erza how to enchant their magic into her swords. Wendy can do all that on top of stat buffs, relieve fatigue, and healing. It's a no brainer that Wendy's enchantments are better.

Sting, and Gajeel, both who beat an S12, operate on the same level as Wendy???? :blink There's a difference as it is noted when some gets enchanted to make the difference. I can for sure compare Dragonizied Nebal bcs Nebal beat the crap out of Wendy B who beat the crap out of Erza who is equal to Laxus. She did go for an all out strike and got sent packing. Irene then was toying with her after that and it's not like Irene had any trouble keeping up with Erza. But Ajeel isn't top 3 S12 lol. I'm just saying, you said she is miles above the S12 and she is really not as shown in her fight against Ajeel. There are other S12s besides Ajeel who can finish the fight in one blow against Erza. The S12 are still up there in power scaling.

And what does that have to do with her Blumen Blatt failing against Irene? Her Blumen Blatt still stalemated Raiko yet was utterly useless against Irene. Wendy B is stronger than Erza lol. Erza literally tries to attack and gets sent flying with a kick that puts Erza on her knees.
Wendy then puts her into the dirt continously and was going to majorly damage Erza had it not been for Wendy's Deus Corona.
She went in between a bloodlusted Gray and enraged Natsu attack minutes prior lol. She was hyped on the PoF juice the entire time. She was thinking about Makarov prior to the fight. She also didn't get pissed or nakama flashbacks when she busted the meteor nor did she get them against when she knocked RoT Acno out of the sky (which is a definite PoF feat). Erza didn't even hold back in her intial strike and got kicked in the gut and proceeded to be on her knees for most of the fight lol. She then almost gets wrecked for good had it not been for Irene Marvell lol.

It does as Wendy B was smashing Erza. How would Wendy B be able to hurt Erza if she was not on her level in the first place? She literally beat her up physical and magically to the point Erza is screaming out in pain and is in a fetal position from the attack.


Because the separation enchantment had nothing to do with Irene using Wendy's latent potential to become Wendy B. The residual power of the enchantment has more MP than Wendy B bcs the enchantment comes from Human Irene's residual magical power and Irene's magical power is far stronger than Wendy's (even with her potential released).

Irene immobilized Erza. If she was bloodlusted then she would have just killed Erza with that attack. Irene sits there for the rest of the fight and lets Erza hit her. How does that say she is bloodlusted when she just sat there and let Erza bust the meteor and hurt her? It was then stated that Irene could not kill Erza which means she held back. You can't hold back when you're bloodlusted lol.

It does give her credit since that entire army would have been destroyed by her and she did that casually. She also saw Makarov take out 80% of the forces and said those beserkers being off the battlefield changed nothing which meant she thought of them as still fodder lol. She terraformed an entire country with ease. 2 million fodder she casually enchanted would be child's play for her to destroy. Wendy also is stronger than the fodder she has enchanted. She would solo Doom and the enchanted fodder of the guild. Her enchanting fodder to reach Erza level is a big feat since that shows the spells she can do and the magical power she has are ridiculous.
What are you talking about? Why would there be "residual power" from the enchantment, if the enchantment itself granted no power? Makes no sense. Residual Eileen is Wendy B, just with a limited amount of power to use.

Eileen immobilized Erza? By that I assume you meant broke every bone in her body lol? Yeah, sorry buddy, you can't downplay that fact. Eileen was bloodlusted. As for killing Erza, she literally tried to drop a meteor on her. As for Eileen sitting and watching, villains do that all the time lol, good guys too, and we have a reason for it stated in the manga, she didn't think Erza could do it. Oh, and her being unwilling to kill Erza only happened after she saw her smile, so I'm afraid she doesn't get that as an excuse either, before that she was literally screaming at her to die, not that that is an excuse anyway, because like I said, Gray didn't kill Invel, Natsu didn't kill Dimaria, Eileen was more bloodlusted than both.

Says who? As i recall there was still over a million soldiers, FT werent making a dent until Makarov. Terraforming the land? Meh. Wendy dont get credit for Doom either.
 

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Is GMG Laxus besting current dual elements Sting? Cause, that's basically what future Rouge was, but more experienced and potentially more powerful.
He one shotted LFD Natsu amped on POF (after seeing Future Lucy die). GMG Laxus can't do it. Natsu needed powerup from a dragon (we see how big powerups from Dragons are for Natsu, from the spinoff itself) to fight Future Rouge on equal terms.
Laxus wasn't sidelined in Dragon festival arc either, he faced Zirconis. But, like any other DS, he was utterly helpless, that's all

Agreed for Tartarus arc
No, nobody in any of the previous arcs is anywhere close to that level. Wait, so you think that LFDM in GMG Was equal to dual mode Sting in Alvarez? Based on what? Cause other than being from the future there is nothing wrong o suggest Rogue is anywhere close to that level. An Natsu’s performance points to it being impossible he’s that strong. I mean even with the boost, it’s not like it made them equals, it made Natsu massively stronger than both Rogue and his dragon while in base...

Do you have that as a sepe arc bro? is that a thing? Honest question because I’ve never seen anyone say that.
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Do you honestly think Tartarus Laxus could beat Mard Geer when DF Natsu failed too?
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Also he could not beat Future Rogue at all. F.Rogue total LFD Natsu and fought AF Natsu. AF Natsu was able to do major damage to Motherglare while Laxus failed to do any sustainable damage to Zirconis. Laxus was as helpless as Wendy against a Dragon.
Tartaros Laxus would destroy him. Are you joking? Like why is that a question? He neg diffed Tempester who we know has the best durability out of the demon Gates. An he still was able to beat him while dying. In a form that we know is equal to LFDM Natsu. Give me one reason I wouldn’t think that brodi.

🤔 Laxus was able to damage Zirconis. He just wasn’t able to severely injure him or put him down. He wasn’t as helpless as Wendy at all. An when did he keep up with AF Natsu? The minute Natsu closed the distance and used the flames he received, he put Rogue down....
 

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No, nobody in any of the previous arcs is anywhere close to that level. Wait, so you think that LFDM in GMG Was equal to dual mode Sting in Alvarez? Based on what? Cause other than being from the future there is nothing wrong o suggest Rogue is anywhere close to that level. An Natsu’s performance points to it being impossible he’s that strong. I mean even with the boost, it’s not like it made them equals, it made Natsu massively stronger than both Rogue and his dragon while in base...

Do you have that as a sepe arc bro? is that a thing? Honest question because I’ve never seen anyone say that.
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Tartaros Laxus would destroy him. Are you joking? Like why is that a question? He neg diffed Tempester who we know has the best durability out of the demon Gates. An he still was able to beat him while dying. In a form that we know is equal to LFDM Natsu. Give me one reason I wouldn’t think that brodi.

🤔 Laxus was able to damage Zirconis. He just wasn’t able to severely injure him or put him down. He wasn’t as helpless as Wendy at all. An when did he keep up with AF Natsu? The minute Natsu closed the distance and used the flames he received, he put Rogue down....
Bruh.... Mard Geer, while in Base, wrecked Kyouka who was wrecking Erza, then stalemated CSK (who has far better feats than Tartarus Laxus), entertained the twins + Natsu, and no sold LFD to the back of the head. In Etherious form, he fought a Devil Slayer who oneshotted Temepster faster than Laxus and DF Natsu who couldn't down MG with all his power. Laxus is nowhere near MG in his base let alone his Etherious form. Also LFD Natsu was thrashing Tempester till he got poisoned by Torfuza water.

No, Laxus was helpless against a GMG Dragon. Wendy did as much damage on Zirconis as Laxus did. Doesn't mean anything bcs they were still utterly helpless to a Dragon. F.Rogue was fighting AF empowered Natsu for multiple chapters. Natsu had a very up close confrontation the whole time. It took a combo attack from AF Natsu and Atlas to take down MG and F.Rogue.
 
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Quick recap of what's been said the last ~20 pages or so

Laxus was a match for Hades
Laxus would've beaten August/Irene
Laxus has surpassed both August/Irene
Laxus is the same level as Gildarts
Laxus would've wrecked Future Rogue/Mard Geer
Laxus can blitz Acnologia

 

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Quick recap of what's been said the last ~20 pages or so

Laxus was a match for Hades
Laxus would've beaten August/Irene
Laxus has surpassed both August/Irene
Laxus is the same level as Gildarts
Laxus would've wrecked Future Rogue/Mard Geer
Laxus can blitz Acnologia

Bs at it's finest.
 

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No, nobody in any of the previous arcs is anywhere close to that level. Wait, so you think that LFDM in GMG Was equal to dual mode Sting in Alvarez? Based on what? Cause other than being from the future there is nothing wrong o suggest Rogue is anywhere close to that level. An Natsu’s performance points to it being impossible he’s that strong. I mean even with the boost, it’s not like it made them equals, it made Natsu massively stronger than both Rogue and his dragon while in base...

Do you have that as a sepe arc bro? is that a thing? Honest question because I’ve never seen anyone say that.
Who said anything about LFD Natsu in GMG being close to dual Sting in Alverez? I said FUTURE ROUGE is on or above dual elements Sting.
Future Rouge > Alverez dual Sting because he killed Sting sometime during Alverez arc in his timeline, and then had 6 years timeskip to powerup further. This alone is enough to argue that.

You want to talk feats? Sure, lets do that. Future Rouge one shotted LFD Natsu amped on POF. Laxus isn't one shotting LFD Natsu, any day.
Future Rouge fought Atlas Natsu on par for several chapters, and even killed (implied) him during the time Ultear reversed. So yes, Future Rouge and Atlas Flames were around the same level. And Altas Flames Natsu was strong enough to defeat Adamantium dragon (who's > Zirconis) with a combo move from Atlas Flames.
Consider this: the attack that took down Future Rouge, took down a freaking dragon (most likely stronger than Zircnois) as well. While Laxus did ZERO damage to Zirconis. You see the amount of powerup that Atlas Flames gave Natsu from that? Natsu went from being a tier below Laxus, to like 10 tiers above Laxus (since he was able to take down a dragon while Laxus did zero damage to another dragon).

By feats:
Altas Flames Natsu ~ Future Rouge >>>>>>>>> Laxus

Sepec arc?
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Quick recap of what's been said the last ~20 pages or so

Laxus was a match for Hades
Laxus would've beaten August/Irene
Laxus has surpassed both August/Irene

Laxus is the same level as Gildarts
Laxus would've wrecked Future Rogue/Mard Geer
Laxus can blitz Acnologia

Wow, lmao.

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I don't think he said those lol.
IK it's just for lolz, but still,
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Tartaros Laxus would destroy him. Are you joking? Like why is that a question? He neg diffed Tempester who we know has the best durability out of the demon Gates. An he still was able to beat him while dying. In a form that we know is equal to LFDM Natsu. Give me one reason I wouldn’t think that brodi.

:feelsbadman:feelsbadman

Mard no sold Dragon Force Natsu, what makes you think Laxus can even touch him? In his base, he was casually no selling attacks from twin dragons (who took down demon Jeimma who's supposedly stronger than 9 DG) and LFD Natsu. He was casual against CSK as well

Mard >>>> DF Natsu >>>> Laxus
 
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I like Laxus as much as anyone but Mard beats Tartarus Laxus, Jura and Jellal at the same time. DeS Gray is above Tartaros Laxus against Demons and DF Natsu is likely the same. Those two also had Momento Mori plot protection at the end and had to trick Mard to finish him.
 

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stronger than 9 DG
Mard ain't stronger than any dragon in this series.
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well nvm, i didn't see the 9. Thought he meant dragon gates
 

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I don't think he said those lol.
IK it's just for lolz, but still,
:epicfacepalm Since you asked, here's the proof.

Laxus was a match for Hades

He had no issue matching him
Laxus would've beaten August/Irene
Laxus has surpassed both August/Irene

Currently? Hell yeah. In Alvarez he could have forced the same conclusion.
An I would rank both of them above Alvarez Gildarts, at this point I’m willing to argue, and will, that both have reached August and Irene’s tier with these buffs,
Well several options, channel power through water again, fight him to exhaustion like Gild was doing, FL he had options.
Laxus can blitz Acno

We are clearly shown speed lines. Acno finished turning after the explosion clears. Laxus was able to blitz him
 

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:epicfacepalm Since you asked, here's the proof.

Laxus was a match for Hades



Laxus would've beaten August/Irene
Laxus has surpassed both August/Irene







Laxus can blitz Acno
To be fair, he likely meant Laxus was briefly fighting Hades on equal grounds, which is true. But once Hades got serious, Laxus got rekt.

But damnn........haven't been active here as I used to. Didn't know he said those about August/Eileen or Acno.
To be fair, Laxus can beat Eileen though. Laxus is > human Eileen, and Laxus can beat dragon Eileen because of Slayer advantage. But remove slayer advantage, and dragon Eileen still >> Laxus.
 

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August would make anyone his bitch and that's a fact.
 

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To be fair, he likely meant Laxus was briefly fighting Hades on equal grounds, which is true. But once Hades got serious, Laxus got rekt.
You could click on the quoted post and follow the debate. Or ask @MUIMadara since he’s here right now and debated it, lol.

Also, bruh you say you haven't been that active but then also go and say I dOn'T tHiNk He SaId ThAt, lmao

Kinda disappointed you didn't trust me, lol
 
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The only reason Fairy Tail even beat the Spriggans was because they had a great advantage in almost every fight, except for Wahl.

Ajeel: Erza had wind and water and nakatani armor, and had the Jupiter cannon as help. If it was Gajeel instead he would've gotten destroyed.

Dimaria: Ultear from another dimension (the most random thing) to counter time stop and Chelia god slaying magic AND third origin.

Jacob: Natsu, Happy, and Lucy happened to dodge Transport and then Happy blocked Jacob's hands.

Brandish: Super lazy, and was friends with the main cast.

Wahl: Laxus is just strong lol so no advantage

Bradman: Levy used holy magic and Gajeel could damage Bradman ONLY because of dragon force

Irene: Wendy enchanted ds magic into Erzas swords, Irene let Erza get a hit on her head, and Irene killed herself.

August: Cana let Gildarts find his weakness and he had a prosthetic arm. Also August kills himself after taking no damage. :/

Neinhart: Erza is Erza so the replicas get scared. Wouldnt really say they had an advantage here other than Neinhart having no defense.

Larcade: He fought the only guy who could actually eat Pleasure magic and Rogue gave him a huge boost to resist RIP.

Invel: Fought the only ice mage who was a slayer and gave Gray a rage boost.

God Serena: He's op and no one got to fight him because he got one shot by Acno. :(

If the Spriggans had fought different Fairy Tail members, I have no doubt they would've easily won the war.
 

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How is it irrelevant? This is also not potential either as she is stated by Erza to have taught her how to do these things. Who said she enchanted Erza with the 6DS? Wendy enchanted 6DS powers into Natsu and taught Erza how to enchant their magic into her swords. Wendy can do all that on top of stat buffs, relieve fatigue, and healing. It's a no brainer that Wendy's enchantments are better.

Sting, and Gajeel, both who beat an S12, operate on the same level as Wendy???? :blink There's a difference as it is noted when some gets enchanted to make the difference. I can for sure compare Dragonizied Nebal bcs Nebal beat the crap out of Wendy B who beat the crap out of Erza who is equal to Laxus. She did go for an all out strike and got sent packing. Irene then was toying with her after that and it's not like Irene had any trouble keeping up with Erza. But Ajeel isn't top 3 S12 lol. I'm just saying, you said she is miles above the S12 and she is really not as shown in her fight against Ajeel. There are other S12s besides Ajeel who can finish the fight in one blow against Erza. The S12 are still up there in power scaling.

And what does that have to do with her Blumen Blatt failing against Irene? Her Blumen Blatt still stalemated Raiko yet was utterly useless against Irene. Wendy B is stronger than Erza lol. Erza literally tries to attack and gets sent flying with a kick that puts Erza on her knees.
Wendy then puts her into the dirt continously and was going to majorly damage Erza had it not been for Wendy's Deus Corona.
She went in between a bloodlusted Gray and enraged Natsu attack minutes prior lol. She was hyped on the PoF juice the entire time. She was thinking about Makarov prior to the fight. She also didn't get pissed or nakama flashbacks when she busted the meteor nor did she get them against when she knocked RoT Acno out of the sky (which is a definite PoF feat). Erza didn't even hold back in her intial strike and got kicked in the gut and proceeded to be on her knees for most of the fight lol. She then almost gets wrecked for good had it not been for Irene Marvell lol.

It does as Wendy B was smashing Erza. How would Wendy B be able to hurt Erza if she was not on her level in the first place? She literally beat her up physical and magically to the point Erza is screaming out in pain and is in a fetal position from the attack.


Because the separation enchantment had nothing to do with Irene using Wendy's latent potential to become Wendy B. The residual power of the enchantment has more MP than Wendy B bcs the enchantment comes from Human Irene's residual magical power and Irene's magical power is far stronger than Wendy's (even with her potential released).

Irene immobilized Erza. If she was bloodlusted then she would have just killed Erza with that attack. Irene sits there for the rest of the fight and lets Erza hit her. How does that say she is bloodlusted when she just sat there and let Erza bust the meteor and hurt her? It was then stated that Irene could not kill Erza which means she held back. You can't hold back when you're bloodlusted lol.

It does give her credit since that entire army would have been destroyed by her and she did that casually. She also saw Makarov take out 80% of the forces and said those beserkers being off the battlefield changed nothing which meant she thought of them as still fodder lol. She terraformed an entire country with ease. 2 million fodder she casually enchanted would be child's play for her to destroy. Wendy also is stronger than the fodder she has enchanted. She would solo Doom and the enchanted fodder of the guild. Her enchanting fodder to reach Erza level is a big feat since that shows the spells she can do and the magical power she has are ridiculous.
It's irrelevant because she used her own powers to enchant Erza against Irene. Against Laxus Erza enchanted Natsu and Gray's powers into her sword. Natsu and Gray's powers enchanted > Wendy's powers enchanted. Wendy is just a better enchanter than Erza , doesn't necessarily mean the powers she enchants are better than everbody else. Had she been the one enchanting Natsu's and Gray's powers I have no doubt she could've done it more creatively. That however doesn't change the powers' intensity which are being enchanted.

Are you trying to say Sting and Gajeel after being enchanted legit put up a fight against Acnologia ? If that's it , then I don't buy that , sorry. I'm trying to say her enchantments don't just boost somebody way more powerful than her from being stomped to actually putting up a fight against their opponent and there's no evidence of that happening. Dragonized Nebal never beat the crap out of WB , in fact it was due to Irene using WB's residual power that he got stomped. He just stomped Wendy who access a small portion of WB's residual power. No , Erza actually caught up to WB and was going to slash her , it's just that she didn't want to harm Wendy's body. Erza held back that time. Erza is above Ajeel as shown by her performance against Human Irene. Ajeel's sand is a bad matchup for Erza , it's as simple as that. There's no average S12 who can defeat Erza apart from Ajeel , let alone finish the fight in one blow. They haven't shown feats of their hax working on high tiers yet.

Irene nullifying one attack doesn't equate to her being able to stomp her , that's all I'm saying. Madmole could block Natsu's demolition fist , Natsu is still stronger than Madmole. Erza didn't fall down exhausted against Irene for you to say Irene cannot get damaged by Erza. As I said , Erza could reach WB and could've slashed her , just didn't because it was Wendy's body. As for WB being able to damage Erza , why not , Irene herself stated that her magic power didn't reduce as much as she thought in WB's body. Erza is above WB , however not to the extent she can stomp her. Doesn't change the fact Erza could've slashed WB but chose not to.

So what if she could block Gray and END's punch ? Tbf I've never understood this logic of you guys. Why do you think it's extremely strange for Erza to block a nameless punch from END Natsu who's barely transformed into the full version ? Were you expecting her to get oneshotted ? We've seen her armors barely make any notable difference in her fights , her fights against Irene and Laxus were fought by her in Red Pants. And most of her other guildmates don't wear any armor unlike her and tank attacks just fine. Why is it strange for Erza to block one punch from a partially transformed END Natsu when she's already getting her hands burnt by taking the brunt of the attack ? Especially when Natsu and Gray were fighting by constantly trading punches ?

Pushing RoT Acno doesn't amount to anything. For one he wasn't even understanding what was going on around him and was just acting on instinct. Second he was in the air , it's easier to get pushed like that while flying since you've nothing to hold on to.
 

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To be fair, he likely meant Laxus was briefly fighting Hades on equal grounds, which is true. But once Hades got serious, Laxus got rekt.

But damnn........haven't been active here as I used to. Didn't know he said those about August/Eileen or Acno.
To be fair, Laxus can beat Eileen though. Laxus is > human Eileen, and Laxus can beat dragon Eileen because of Slayer advantage. But remove slayer advantage, and dragon Eileen still >> Laxus.
I meant exactly what I said. Laxus was able to match every one of those combatants powerhouse, in the arc they were shown. Gajeel made it clear he would wreck Phantom. It took 2 Slayers in concert to beat him. His power is what let Natsu get a victory, and he was still able to step in and save Natsu and set off the FT combo that beats Hades in the end after tanking his blast with no damn magic. He beat Jura, an he 1 shot the Demon Gate with the best durability (and was able to match and kill him on his fucking death bed) but he couldn’t touch Mard? Oh ok. He’s stronger than Erza and could match any feat she has from Alvarez, we’ve been shown several times he has the highest AP out of their FT generation. None of what I said is BS or far fetched. 🤷🏾‍♂️
 
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